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Breaking: China mobilizing troops, jets near N. Korean border

 
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^^^

What he said.

The original Red dawn movie was all because of a Russian drought.
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It's been a little too quiet here. When there is any kind of international dispute (Senkaku Islands) the Chinese media is all over it. There has been next to nothing about the NK incident on the news stations.
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So you are in the imaginary part of China where people can use computers to go on social websites? That's neat.
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Will all of our coming crippled and maimed soldiers be covered under Obama Care?
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Not funny.
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Wasn't meant to be funny, but a legit question.
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Nobody really talks about a ground force offensive with NK, but I agree with you. With the amount of infantry they have it would be a human wave going against SK.

And while all of this is going on, let's not forget Iran. Or our actions (or possible ones) against Iran. Iran has been far too quiet lately, and quiet with "enemies" often means they're up to something.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5396611


Good point.

If you look at the military stats, North Korea outnumbers South Korea in every branch of the military.

If North Korea was pushed back and started to lose the war they could activate their 8.2 million reserves and 5,000 tanks and finish the job on the ground.

In 1950 the Chinese 'human wave' attack only consisted of about 80,000 troops (still a lot by any measure), but if you could imagine a human wave attack of over 1 million (let alone 8.2 million) you get to see the dilemma for the South Koreans and U.S.

It puts the U.S in a position where it risks Chinese or Russian intervention by sending multiple aircraft carriers and hundreds of thousands of troops and heavy armory into China and Russia's backyard. This also means that the U.S would have to pull its carriers and heavy armor from strategically important areas protecting other allies (i.e, Israel, Persian Gulf, etc...)

If the U.S decides to revoke its 'first use' policy of nuclear weapons and deal with the NK threat by nuking its way to victory, that invites a series of variables that involve some pretty ugly miscalculations (not to mention full Japanese rearmament and acquisition of an ICBM capability that would have far-reaching global implications).

So, in summary........

If North Korea uses its FULL military might it would probably overwhelm the relatively small SK-US force and win, unless the U.S is happy to send a quarter of its military on to China's and Russia's doorstep and possibly start WW3.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33985461


I work for a Missile Defense Contractor at our home of Missile Defense and we have numerous analysts and they all agree that the 8.2 Million reserves is highly over-exaggerated. NK does not and could not FUEL, FEED, and resource these troops. It would take their entire country's CONSTANT production just to supply the active troops. It is also common accepted knowledge in the intel group that many of NKs troops would abandon there posts immediately in a large crisis.
Even in peace time they dont have the resources to feed and fuel the population. Just imagine when something real big pops off due to NK jumping the gun; the few resources they have will be cut off instantaneous.
 Quoting: N.ALABAMA


LoL smart guy..

Any troop that is brainwashed enough to commit kamikaze will surely be glad to rush into S Korea and steal their supplies..

Im sure your brilliant company didnt want to consider that little tidbit..

Moran
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I guarnatee they have considered way more than you can even imagine better yet comprehend.
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Fuck China, their economy now depends on the US and they aint shit without us.
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That's why currency is being shifted. deleting the dollar.
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It's been a little too quiet here. When there is any kind of international dispute (Senkaku Islands) the Chinese media is all over it. There has been next to nothing about the NK incident on the news stations.
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So you are in the imaginary part of China where people can use computers to go on social websites? That's neat.
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I will assume you are trolling and not completely ignorant.
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it's a proxy war threat. Kim Jong Un is too busy with his wife. Either it's his uncle calling all the shots or those chinese advisors studying America's reactions.
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maybe this yime we can blow the bridges between china and nk.
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Yes, we are close!!!
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N.ALABAMA is an ANAL-IST....He knows his shit!
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It's been a little too quiet here. When there is any kind of international dispute (Senkaku Islands) the Chinese media is all over it. There has been next to nothing about the NK incident on the news stations.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37264796


So you are in the imaginary part of China where people can use computers to go on social websites? That's neat.
 Quoting: UNkLE |3UCk™


We have our own imaginary news sites and news stories here in the US, especially nowadays. Maybe the censorship isn't as heavy handed (yet), but it works out to be just as bad.

Dude from China's right about one thing:

"When we see a pot, our attention is often drawn to the shape, the material, the handle and whatnot. Forgetting that the real value of a pot is in its emptiness." - Lao Tzu
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The Chinese have many more women in their military than we have population.
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Do you think they care? They'll be running it over as they scream by in the first wave on their way to Seoul!
 Quoting: ohnonotagain

Nobody really talks about a ground force offensive with NK, but I agree with you. With the amount of infantry they have it would be a human wave going against SK.

And while all of this is going on, let's not forget Iran. Or our actions (or possible ones) against Iran. Iran has been far too quiet lately, and quiet with "enemies" often means they're up to something.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5396611


Good point.

If you look at the military stats, North Korea outnumbers South Korea in every branch of the military.

If North Korea was pushed back and started to lose the war they could activate their 8.2 million reserves and 5,000 tanks and finish the job on the ground.

In 1950 the Chinese 'human wave' attack only consisted of about 80,000 troops (still a lot by any measure), but if you could imagine a human wave attack of over 1 million (let alone 8.2 million) you get to see the dilemma for the South Koreans and U.S.

It puts the U.S in a position where it risks Chinese or Russian intervention by sending multiple aircraft carriers and hundreds of thousands of troops and heavy armory into China and Russia's backyard. This also means that the U.S would have to pull its carriers and heavy armor from strategically important areas protecting other allies (i.e, Israel, Persian Gulf, etc...)

If the U.S decides to revoke its 'first use' policy of nuclear weapons and deal with the NK threat by nuking its way to victory, that invites a series of variables that involve some pretty ugly miscalculations (not to mention full Japanese rearmament and acquisition of an ICBM capability that would have far-reaching global implications).

So, in summary........

If North Korea uses its FULL military might it would probably overwhelm the relatively small SK-US force and win, unless the U.S is happy to send a quarter of its military on to China's and Russia's doorstep and possibly start WW3.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33985461


I work for a Missile Defense Contractor at our home of Missile Defense and we have numerous analysts and they all agree that the 8.2 Million reserves is highly over-exaggerated. NK does not and could not FUEL, FEED, and resource these troops. It would take their entire country's CONSTANT production just to supply the active troops. It is also common accepted knowledge in the intel group that many of NKs troops would abandon there posts immediately in a large crisis.
Even in peace time they dont have the resources to feed and fuel the population. Just imagine when something real big pops off due to NK jumping the gun; the few resources they have will be cut off instantaneous.
 Quoting: N.ALABAMA


Yes that number is certainly an exaggeration, it would mean NK has a bigger army than China by far. And even if they can remotely field something like that, what shape would they be in?
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Nobody really talks about a ground force offensive with NK, but I agree with you. With the amount of infantry they have it would be a human wave going against SK.

And while all of this is going on, let's not forget Iran. Or our actions (or possible ones) against Iran. Iran has been far too quiet lately, and quiet with "enemies" often means they're up to something.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5396611


Good point.

If you look at the military stats, North Korea outnumbers South Korea in every branch of the military.

If North Korea was pushed back and started to lose the war they could activate their 8.2 million reserves and 5,000 tanks and finish the job on the ground.

In 1950 the Chinese 'human wave' attack only consisted of about 80,000 troops (still a lot by any measure), but if you could imagine a human wave attack of over 1 million (let alone 8.2 million) you get to see the dilemma for the South Koreans and U.S.

It puts the U.S in a position where it risks Chinese or Russian intervention by sending multiple aircraft carriers and hundreds of thousands of troops and heavy armory into China and Russia's backyard. This also means that the U.S would have to pull its carriers and heavy armor from strategically important areas protecting other allies (i.e, Israel, Persian Gulf, etc...)

If the U.S decides to revoke its 'first use' policy of nuclear weapons and deal with the NK threat by nuking its way to victory, that invites a series of variables that involve some pretty ugly miscalculations (not to mention full Japanese rearmament and acquisition of an ICBM capability that would have far-reaching global implications).

So, in summary........

If North Korea uses its FULL military might it would probably overwhelm the relatively small SK-US force and win, unless the U.S is happy to send a quarter of its military on to China's and Russia's doorstep and possibly start WW3.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33985461


I work for a Missile Defense Contractor at our home of Missile Defense and we have numerous analysts and they all agree that the 8.2 Million reserves is highly over-exaggerated. NK does not and could not FUEL, FEED, and resource these troops. It would take their entire country's CONSTANT production just to supply the active troops. It is also common accepted knowledge in the intel group that many of NKs troops would abandon there posts immediately in a large crisis.
Even in peace time they dont have the resources to feed and fuel the population. Just imagine when something real big pops off due to NK jumping the gun; the few resources they have will be cut off instantaneous.
 Quoting: N.ALABAMA


Yes that number is certainly an exaggeration, it would mean NK has a bigger army than China by far. And even if they can remotely field something like that, what shape would they be in?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1140635


You are over-thinking things way, way too much. This isn't the 1940s-1960s.

This would not be a conflict. Do you even realize the US Congress has not declared a "War" since WW2? Everything else has been considered a conflict...Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan etc.

The semantics of Congress declaring war has repercussions you don't even realize. Giving the US free reign to neutralize targets by any and all means. Where every conflict since WW2 they had to worry about civilian casualties and an enemy using guerilla tactics.

That would be over in a heartbeat.

Not sure why you think the US would put any boots on the ground, when in reality that is the last thing they would do after Air and Sea.

There are many means with conventional weapons to stop a million man army from crossing the border. It is actually extremely easy to inflict devastating mass casualties since they are so grouped together.

Why you guys think all the US military tech that you see is the only things we have are beyond me. The reality is the tech is 40-50 years beyond what many comprehend.
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Nobody really talks about a ground force offensive with NK, but I agree with you. With the amount of infantry they have it would be a human wave going against SK.

And while all of this is going on, let's not forget Iran. Or our actions (or possible ones) against Iran. Iran has been far too quiet lately, and quiet with "enemies" often means they're up to something.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5396611


Good point.

If you look at the military stats, North Korea outnumbers South Korea in every branch of the military.

If North Korea was pushed back and started to lose the war they could activate their 8.2 million reserves and 5,000 tanks and finish the job on the ground.

In 1950 the Chinese 'human wave' attack only consisted of about 80,000 troops (still a lot by any measure), but if you could imagine a human wave attack of over 1 million (let alone 8.2 million) you get to see the dilemma for the South Koreans and U.S.

It puts the U.S in a position where it risks Chinese or Russian intervention by sending multiple aircraft carriers and hundreds of thousands of troops and heavy armory into China and Russia's backyard. This also means that the U.S would have to pull its carriers and heavy armor from strategically important areas protecting other allies (i.e, Israel, Persian Gulf, etc...)

If the U.S decides to revoke its 'first use' policy of nuclear weapons and deal with the NK threat by nuking its way to victory, that invites a series of variables that involve some pretty ugly miscalculations (not to mention full Japanese rearmament and acquisition of an ICBM capability that would have far-reaching global implications).

So, in summary........

If North Korea uses its FULL military might it would probably overwhelm the relatively small SK-US force and win, unless the U.S is happy to send a quarter of its military on to China's and Russia's doorstep and possibly start WW3.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33985461


I work for a Missile Defense Contractor at our home of Missile Defense and we have numerous analysts and they all agree that the 8.2 Million reserves is highly over-exaggerated. NK does not and could not FUEL, FEED, and resource these troops. It would take their entire country's CONSTANT production just to supply the active troops. It is also common accepted knowledge in the intel group that many of NKs troops would abandon there posts immediately in a large crisis.
Even in peace time they dont have the resources to feed and fuel the population. Just imagine when something real big pops off due to NK jumping the gun; the few resources they have will be cut off instantaneous.
 Quoting: N.ALABAMA


LoL smart guy..

Any troop that is brainwashed enough to commit kamikaze will surely be glad to rush into S Korea and steal their supplies..

Im sure your brilliant company didnt want to consider that little tidbit..

Moran
 Quoting: Ap0c@Lyp5e


we never fought China (N Korea), and the "kamikaze" was flown by Japan in WWll
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Good point.

If you look at the military stats, North Korea outnumbers South Korea in every branch of the military.

If North Korea was pushed back and started to lose the war they could activate their 8.2 million reserves and 5,000 tanks and finish the job on the ground.

In 1950 the Chinese 'human wave' attack only consisted of about 80,000 troops (still a lot by any measure), but if you could imagine a human wave attack of over 1 million (let alone 8.2 million) you get to see the dilemma for the South Koreans and U.S.

It puts the U.S in a position where it risks Chinese or Russian intervention by sending multiple aircraft carriers and hundreds of thousands of troops and heavy armory into China and Russia's backyard. This also means that the U.S would have to pull its carriers and heavy armor from strategically important areas protecting other allies (i.e, Israel, Persian Gulf, etc...)

If the U.S decides to revoke its 'first use' policy of nuclear weapons and deal with the NK threat by nuking its way to victory, that invites a series of variables that involve some pretty ugly miscalculations (not to mention full Japanese rearmament and acquisition of an ICBM capability that would have far-reaching global implications).

So, in summary........

If North Korea uses its FULL military might it would probably overwhelm the relatively small SK-US force and win, unless the U.S is happy to send a quarter of its military on to China's and Russia's doorstep and possibly start WW3.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33985461


I work for a Missile Defense Contractor at our home of Missile Defense and we have numerous analysts and they all agree that the 8.2 Million reserves is highly over-exaggerated. NK does not and could not FUEL, FEED, and resource these troops. It would take their entire country's CONSTANT production just to supply the active troops. It is also common accepted knowledge in the intel group that many of NKs troops would abandon there posts immediately in a large crisis.
Even in peace time they dont have the resources to feed and fuel the population. Just imagine when something real big pops off due to NK jumping the gun; the few resources they have will be cut off instantaneous.
 Quoting: N.ALABAMA


Yes that number is certainly an exaggeration, it would mean NK has a bigger army than China by far. And even if they can remotely field something like that, what shape would they be in?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1140635


You are over-thinking things way, way too much. This isn't the 1940s-1960s.

This would not be a conflict. Do you even realize the US Congress has not declared a "War" since WW2? Everything else has been considered a conflict...Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan etc.

The semantics of Congress declaring war has repercussions you don't even realize. Giving the US free reign to neutralize targets by any and all means. Where every conflict since WW2 they had to worry about civilian casualties and an enemy using guerilla tactics.

That would be over in a heartbeat.

Not sure why you think the US would put any boots on the ground, when in reality that is the last thing they would do after Air and Sea.

There are many means with conventional weapons to stop a million man army from crossing the border. It is actually extremely easy to inflict devastating mass casualties since they are so grouped together.

Why you guys think all the US military tech that you see is the only things we have are beyond me. The reality is the tech is 40-50 years beyond what many comprehend.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36597376


I agree with the general thrust of your argument, I don't think most people recognize how proficient at killing the US military has become. A study of the the unprecedented and anomalous kill ratios in engaged conflict in Gulf War I and 2 should clue everyone in.

Some super sci-fi technology the US posesses could be a possible explanation (better than everything else I heard), or simply a more prosaic combination of advanced technology and training, is up in the air.
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and they should. we moved our fighters, naturally they move theirs. china wont let a peaceful communist country be taken on by america. china wont fire, neither will america. we are just getting ground on the new world order
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Who is this "peaceful communist country" you speak ok. We are BACKING & SUPPORTING South Korea, not attacking it.
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I work for a Missile Defense Contractor at our home of Missile Defense and we have numerous analysts and they all agree that the 8.2 Million reserves is highly over-exaggerated. NK does not and could not FUEL, FEED, and resource these troops. It would take their entire country's CONSTANT production just to supply the active troops. It is also common accepted knowledge in the intel group that many of NKs troops would abandon there posts immediately in a large crisis.
Even in peace time they dont have the resources to feed and fuel the population. Just imagine when something real big pops off due to NK jumping the gun; the few resources they have will be cut off instantaneous.
 Quoting: N.ALABAMA


Yes that number is certainly an exaggeration, it would mean NK has a bigger army than China by far. And even if they can remotely field something like that, what shape would they be in?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1140635


You are over-thinking things way, way too much. This isn't the 1940s-1960s.

This would not be a conflict. Do you even realize the US Congress has not declared a "War" since WW2? Everything else has been considered a conflict...Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan etc.

The semantics of Congress declaring war has repercussions you don't even realize. Giving the US free reign to neutralize targets by any and all means. Where every conflict since WW2 they had to worry about civilian casualties and an enemy using guerilla tactics.

That would be over in a heartbeat.

Not sure why you think the US would put any boots on the ground, when in reality that is the last thing they would do after Air and Sea.

There are many means with conventional weapons to stop a million man army from crossing the border. It is actually extremely easy to inflict devastating mass casualties since they are so grouped together.

Why you guys think all the US military tech that you see is the only things we have are beyond me. The reality is the tech is 40-50 years beyond what many comprehend.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36597376


I agree with the general thrust of your argument, I don't think most people recognize how proficient at killing the US military has become. A study of the the unprecedented and anomalous kill ratios in engaged conflict in Gulf War I and 2 should clue everyone in.

Some super sci-fi technology the US posesses could be a possible explanation (better than everything else I heard), or simply a more prosaic combination of advanced technology and training, is up in the air.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1140635


Your Intel obviously came from the DOD...its bull shit! Why do you think our servicemen have the highest suicides rate in history? You are either a shill or a dumb fucking bastard.
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and they should. we moved our fighters, naturally they move theirs. china wont let a peaceful communist country be taken on by america. china wont fire, neither will america. we are just getting ground on the new world order
 Quoting: |DEAD|SERIOUS


Who is this "peaceful communist country" you speak ok. We are BACKING & SUPPORTING South Korea, not attacking it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1644184


the problem is N.Korea. China cannot let us get into her that deeply. She will fight for her life, she who has more women in her military than have we population. Wehave never seen China fight . . . yet
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and they should. we moved our fighters, naturally they move theirs. china wont let a peaceful communist country be taken on by america. china wont fire, neither will america. we are just getting ground on the new world order
 Quoting: |DEAD|SERIOUS


Who is this "peaceful communist country" you speak ok. We are BACKING & SUPPORTING South Korea, not attacking it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1644184


the problem is N.Korea. China cannot let us get into her that deeply. She will fight for her life, she who has more women in her military than have we population. Wehave never seen China fight . . . yet
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Yes that number is certainly an exaggeration, it would mean NK has a bigger army than China by far. And even if they can remotely field something like that, what shape would they be in?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1140635


You are over-thinking things way, way too much. This isn't the 1940s-1960s.

This would not be a conflict. Do you even realize the US Congress has not declared a "War" since WW2? Everything else has been considered a conflict...Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan etc.

The semantics of Congress declaring war has repercussions you don't even realize. Giving the US free reign to neutralize targets by any and all means. Where every conflict since WW2 they had to worry about civilian casualties and an enemy using guerilla tactics.

That would be over in a heartbeat.

Not sure why you think the US would put any boots on the ground, when in reality that is the last thing they would do after Air and Sea.

There are many means with conventional weapons to stop a million man army from crossing the border. It is actually extremely easy to inflict devastating mass casualties since they are so grouped together.

Why you guys think all the US military tech that you see is the only things we have are beyond me. The reality is the tech is 40-50 years beyond what many comprehend.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36597376


I agree with the general thrust of your argument, I don't think most people recognize how proficient at killing the US military has become. A study of the the unprecedented and anomalous kill ratios in engaged conflict in Gulf War I and 2 should clue everyone in.

Some super sci-fi technology the US posesses could be a possible explanation (better than everything else I heard), or simply a more prosaic combination of advanced technology and training, is up in the air.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1140635


Your Intel obviously came from the DOD...its bull shit! Why do you think our servicemen have the highest suicides rate in history? You are either a shill or a dumb fucking bastard.
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Stop repeating your mindless liberal meme.
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Morons, indeed.

The NK have crappier equipment and supplies than Hussein had. More than that...

THEY ARE STARVING. They execute people for cannibalism. They eat grass soup. If they go to war, THEY WILL DIE HORRIBLY because what little food they have or grow will be gone.

They MUST QUIT THREATENING IN TWO WEEKS because that is when most of the army MUST help with planting until mid to late May.

If they had ANY CHANCE of winning a war, they would attack. Instead, it's all BS, nonsense, empty threats.

All Talk. No food. End of story
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Morons, indeed.

The NK have crappier equipment and supplies than Hussein had. More than that...

THEY ARE STARVING. They execute people for cannibalism. They eat grass soup. If they go to war, THEY WILL DIE HORRIBLY because what little food they have or grow will be gone.

They MUST QUIT THREATENING IN TWO WEEKS because that is when most of the army MUST help with planting until mid to late May.

If they had ANY CHANCE of winning a war, they would attack. Instead, it's all BS, nonsense, empty threats.

All Talk. No food. End of story
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14820909


No food is one of the primary reasons man has gone to war since the dawn of mankind.
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Morons, indeed.

The NK have crappier equipment and supplies than Hussein had. More than that...

THEY ARE STARVING. They execute people for cannibalism. They eat grass soup. If they go to war, THEY WILL DIE HORRIBLY because what little food they have or grow will be gone.

They MUST QUIT THREATENING IN TWO WEEKS because that is when most of the army MUST help with planting until mid to late May.

If they had ANY CHANCE of winning a war, they would attack. Instead, it's all BS, nonsense, empty threats.

All Talk. No food. End of story
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No food is one of the primary reasons man has gone to war since the dawn of mankind.
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In all likelihood true. What else do they have to lose, they're going to die anyway.
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Of course its GLP but my god yall are a bunch of ignorant 'tards.


A few quick points that must be addressed:

1: Hamburger Hill was vietnam.

2: We did fight China in the Korean War, it was Chinese intervention that ultimately cause our politicians back home to pull the plug.

seriously, for fucks sake, if you don't know your history at least google this shit.

fuking Fantasy-history 'tards. wall
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Of course its GLP but my god yall are a bunch of ignorant 'tards.


A few quick points that must be addressed:

1: Hamburger Hill was vietnam.

2: We did fight China in the Korean War, it was Chinese intervention that ultimately cause our politicians back home to pull the plug.

seriously, for fucks sake, if you don't know your history at least google this shit.

fuking Fantasy-history 'tards. wall
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The stupid it burns!

That one dude was probably thinking about Pork Chop Hill, and the other, I have no f*cking clue. Thought maybe he would throw out some cool conspiracy theory where we didn't actually fight the NK and Chinese in the Korean War, but I guess not. lol
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Morons, indeed.

The NK have crappier equipment and supplies than Hussein had. More than that...

THEY ARE STARVING. They execute people for cannibalism. They eat grass soup. If they go to war, THEY WILL DIE HORRIBLY because what little food they have or grow will be gone.

They MUST QUIT THREATENING IN TWO WEEKS because that is when most of the army MUST help with planting until mid to late May.

If they had ANY CHANCE of winning a war, they would attack. Instead, it's all BS, nonsense, empty threats.

All Talk. No food. End of story
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No food is one of the primary reasons man has gone to war since the dawn of mankind.
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In all likelihood true. What else do they have to lose, they're going to die anyway.
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Exactly.
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Do you think they care? They'll be running it over as they scream by in the first wave on their way to Seoul!
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Nobody really talks about a ground force offensive with NK, but I agree with you. With the amount of infantry they have it would be a human wave going against SK.

And while all of this is going on, let's not forget Iran. Or our actions (or possible ones) against Iran. Iran has been far too quiet lately, and quiet with "enemies" often means they're up to something.
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Good point.
i am not trying to be a smartie as i appreciate your expertise but i think Your thinktank needs to remember that NPRK'S 2nd main ally is Iran and Iran ir very cash rich ! So Is Venezuela !
If you look at the military stats, North Korea outnumbers South Korea in every branch of the military.

If North Korea was pushed back and started to lose the war they could activate their 8.2 million reserves and 5,000 tanks and finish the job on the ground.

In 1950 the Chinese 'human wave' attack only consisted of about 80,000 troops (still a lot by any measure), but if you could imagine a human wave attack of over 1 million (let alone 8.2 million) you get to see the dilemma for the South Koreans and U.S.

It puts the U.S in a position where it risks Chinese or Russian intervention by sending multiple aircraft carriers and hundreds of thousands of troops and heavy armory into China and Russia's backyard. This also means that the U.S would have to pull its carriers and heavy armor from strategically important areas protecting other allies (i.e, Israel, Persian Gulf, etc...)

If the U.S decides to revoke its 'first use' policy of nuclear weapons and deal with the NK threat by nuking its way to victory, that invites a series of variables that involve some pretty ugly miscalculations (not to mention full Japanese rearmament and acquisition of an ICBM capability that would have far-reaching global implications).

So, in summary........

If North Korea uses its FULL military might it would probably overwhelm the relatively small SK-US force and win, unless the U.S is happy to send a quarter of its military on to China's and Russia's doorstep and possibly start WW3.
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I work for a Missile Defense Contractor at our home of Missile Defense and we have numerous analysts and they all agree that the 8.2 Million reserves is highly over-exaggerated. NK does not and could not FUEL, FEED, and resource these troops. It would take their entire country's CONSTANT production just to supply the active troops. It is also common accepted knowledge in the intel group that many of NKs troops would abandon there posts immediately in a large crisis.
Even in peace time they dont have the resources to feed and fuel the population. Just imagine when something real big pops off due to NK jumping the gun; the few resources they have will be cut off instantaneous.
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Cash rich Iran probably pays for North Koreas Complete War budget !
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You guys don't realize how bad the first Korean war was.

It was worse then any war we have ever seen. Korea was Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan all rolled into one.

In 1000 days more then a million people were killed. And many atomic bombs were dropped near Korea too show our determination too win.

400 Canadian soldiers fought off 4000 Chinese in one battle. Thats how intense it was.

At hamburger hill the Americans posted a sign saying "Abandon all hope those who enter"

Not a single light could be seen from North Korea at night after dropping 800 tons of bombs on them daily.

This will go WW3 if it goes down.

Look up the "Official" casualty report.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


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My now deceased father was a Korean War Vet, he said it was bad. He told us a story once when we were older. I remember he said that soldiers lost their feet due to frost bite and not having any place warm to go and couldn't start a fire and give away their location, etc. He told us a few other stories that night too, but I just can' remember them at the moment, 40 something year's ago and he never said another word about it to us, it all came out ONE night, and that was it, he never shared the stories again and I never heard him even talk to his friends or family about it. It was like he just wanted to forget it all and never think about it. The night he told us, well, he had too many beers.

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