Obama Care "tax" originated in US Senate - Lawsuit poised to KILL Obama Care on a technicality

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The Democrats would count their lucky stars
if the SCOTUS killed the Obama Care "tax".


Nobody wants Obama Care.




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Because this lawsuit is at the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia.

For those who don't know, the USDCDC is a fast track to the US Supreme Court.


Chief Justice Roberts may yet redeem himself by declaring Obama Care a "tax".


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good call

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BTW, this is NOT an April Fool's joke.


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BTW, this is NOT an April Fool's joke.


This is for REAL, people!

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Last Edited by Bucephelus on 04/01/2013 05:23 PM

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More on this story here too: [link to thestir.cafemom.com]

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Why the heck isn't this pinned GLP???

This is REAL news, and it's true. Obamacare did originate in the Senate and all bills implementing new taxes MUST originate in the House.

From the link:

"Where did the bill originate? If HR 3590 was a “shell bill” that had its contents completely replaced and even its title changed, did it really originate in the House, as the Justice Department says? Does the Senate have the power to turn something about home ownership for service members into an expansive health care entitlement program? If not, then could we reasonable argue that the legislation itself began in the Senate, even if the resolution number was the same?

Only one thing seems certain: We haven’t seen the last of the legal challenges over Obamacare.

Do you think the Pacific Legal Foundation has a case here?"


So GLP, what's up?

Hell yes!

This is the most regressive and painful tax for the poor, regardless of income or assets, that I've seen in any developed nation. Since it was passed, the cost of our (family's) health insurance has now passed our energy costs and property taxes combined, and it's going to be multiples of this by 2014. Both families and businesses will be lined up to declare bankruptcy. Perhaps we'll have to do it in stadiums, all together now. More likely, the farmers will put down their pitchforks and march on the capital.

Just evil madness.

If it can be cut off now, there is a chance that Pelosi and the others who strong-armed this into existence might live longer than Marie Antoinette after "let them eat cake". I fear for them. I may despise them, yes, and the emperor's own evil hatred can surface(Star Wars)but above all I don't want to see the country dissolve into the likes of Paris in the terror. Please let's take the side road.

Paris in the Terror:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Let's all agree this has to go, and support everyone on that side of the aisle.

I think that the Attorneys involved in this suit are on shaky ground. The Bill may have originated in the Senate but in effect it was a Health Care Bill which carried with it a means to pay for it. The Bill had to go through a Conference Committee and then was returned to each respective House for passage. Since both Houses concurred in the Conference Bill it will probably stand.

Can't this be fixed by Executive Order like everything else?

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Nope, this would kill Obama Care.


Some have been suggesting that Chief Justice Roberts and the
other conservatives on the Supreme Court knew this would happen.


If you get down to it, Obama Care really originated in the White House
with Obama and his staff plotting with the Unions and the AARP.

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The 'obamacare' fraud is ; unconstitutional in it's inception, unlawful in it's construction and illegal in it's passage by the corporation.

As with ALL mandates, rules, and codices emanating from
Washington DC, especially those so called Executive Orders,
are soley intended for those (c)itizens who reside within the ten square miles of DC, Puerto Rico, Guam, the US Virgin Islands. If you voluntarily adhere to any of these edicts from the Corporate United States, you are a fool.

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If you look at the Obama Care ruling, Justice Roberts hints
where he's going with this, and that he left the door open
to KILLING Obama Care at a later date:

Taxes have never been popular, see, e.g., Stamp Act of 1765,
and in part for that reason, the Constitution requires
tax increases to originate in the House of Representatives.
See Art. I, §7, cl. 1. That is to say, they must originate
in the legislative body most accountable to the people,
where legislators must weigh the need for the tax against
the terrible price they might pay at their next election,
which is never more than two years off. The Federalist
No. 58 “defend[ed] the decision to give the origination
power to the House on the ground that the Chamber that is
more accountable to the people should have the primary role
in raising revenue.” United States v. Munoz-Flores, 495 U.
S. 385, 395 (1990).

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Understand that the reason the Majority of the Court couldn't
kill Obama Care was because the Origination Clause was not the
main argument brought forth by those who were suing the Government.

However, that's what THIS case specifically argues.

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Indeed, the negative karma the've brought down upon themselves by pushing this evil through is immense and unrelenting.

Let's hope this is successful....and/or the Republicans take the House, Senate and the Presidency and repeal this monstrosity.

The useful idiots and sheep are realizing they have been had.

It's a tax bullshit it is

It's a fucking mandate and they know it.

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Indeed.

But we need to kill Obama Care using the right legal language.


Team Obama argues that the Senate took a Bill that originated
in the House, gutted the language, inserted the Obama Care
language, then followed with the "deemed it passed in the
House".

However, the fact is that a "Deeming Resolution" is not
officially defined, nor is there any specific statute or standing
rule authorizing such legislation.


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That will be a big part of what kills Obama Care in this lawsuit ...

... a "Deeming Resolution" is not representative government, and
thus recognized when weighed against Article 1, Section 7 of the
US Constitution.

It just took a major case like this one about Obama Care to
finally get the issue in front of the Supreme Court.

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Can't happen fast enough.

People are already getting screwed with being reduced to workiing fewer thn 30 hours a week because companies do not know how much this will cost them.

Premiums are already going up and doctors offices are being inundated with useless paperwork.

Who knows how much is being spent building the bureaucracy that will be needed to enforce the 20,000 pages of regulations --- yes, that is right -- recently written by all sorts of non-health care agencies.

All anyone really wanted was a little reasonabe insurance and malpractice lawsuit reforms such as selling insurance across state lines, giving individuals the same rates as groups, and not refusing coverage for pre-existing conditions and removing the lifetime limits.

All of that could have been done in a few pages. Did not need 2700 pages to do it and we still don't really know what all is in those pages.

Nothing will kill this thing.

Origination from the senate was pointed out from the outset by Ron Paul and others.

I'm not sure what reality you guys are living in, but from where I stood Republicans helped nudge this thing through multiple times when it could have been stalled. There was always ONE REPUBLICAN who got it through committee, or ONE REPUBLICAN who waved right to stall, or ONE REPUBLICAN got it to the floor to vote on it. There was a good bit of political theater involved to be sure - but this thing was a bipartisan smokescreen.

Here is the bottom line:

The U.S. Dollar is collapsing, and an unprecedented number of penniless "baby boomers" will be broke and seeking health care... this is a plan to manage the crisis... and by manage it I mean ration it.

You guys can keep waiting a year or two at a time for the SCOTUS to hear a case, or for the REPUBLICANS to fix it... but the fact is the REPUBLICANS worked with the DEMOCRATS to get it passed - it isn't going anywhere.

THIS is what happens when people have a LITTLE knowledge, and STILL can't understand what they know!!

REVENUE Bills must originate in The House, the Affordable Care Act IS NOT a 'revenue' Bill.






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No, in all of the votes back and forth on Obama Care, there
was only ONE republican defector, and he was a fucking RINO
who lost re-election anywa.

Meanwhile, the House had as many as 40 Democrat defectors
join the republicans to vote against Obama Care.

In the Senate, there was never 60 votes to pass Obama Care.


Sorry -- Obama Care had a built-in poison pill by starting
in the Senate. Now someone is finally asking a Court to agree
with that supposition.

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for pin!

It is if it is determined to be a tax.

Tax is revenue. The only reason it made it through the Supreme Court is due to that very point.

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Obama Care is a TAX.

And that will be its undoing.


[link to www.supremecourt.gov]

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