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Obama Care "tax" originated in US Senate - Lawsuit poised to KILL Obama Care on a technicality

 
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A lot of people knew this was going to get killed in courts, but they just keep on believing like dumb school children.
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A lot of people knew this was going to get killed in courts,
but they just keep on believing like dumb school children.

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 Quoting: Astral Goat
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Just like the Dems always thought that Blacks would remain simple Slaves and
how Dems believed that Women would NEVER challenge men in Union work places,
Dems think that the Courts will find all parts of Obama Care Constitutional.


That's a bad assumption.

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Oh please kill this thing!
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Obamacare originated in the House. The original bill had almost nothing to do with health care. That bill changed and made into Obamacare in the Senate.
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Yep, this is just one of the many reasons that Obamacare is entirely unlawful. But laws don't seem to matter anymore to the ruling elites.
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From the link:

"Where did the bill originate? If HR 3590 was a “shell bill” that had its contents completely replaced and even its title changed, did it really originate in the House, as the Justice Department says? Does the Senate have the power to turn something about home ownership for service members into an expansive health care entitlement program? If not, then could we reasonable argue that the legislation itself began in the Senate, even if the resolution number was the same?

Only one thing seems certain: We haven’t seen the last of the legal challenges over Obamacare.

Do you think the Pacific Legal Foundation has a case here?"


So GLP, what's up?
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Any idiot, or small child for that matter, can easily understand that a bill does not originate in the House if the Senate entirely changes everything and adds a bunch of new stuff to it.

It's absolutely ridiculous that we even have to ponder these questions.
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You guys can keep waiting a year or two at a time for the SCOTUS to hear a case, or for the REPUBLICANS to fix it... but the fact is the REPUBLICANS worked with the DEMOCRATS to get it passed - it isn't going anywhere.
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No, in all of the votes back and forth on Obama Care, there
was only ONE republican defector, and he was a fucking RINO
who lost re-election anywa.

Meanwhile, the House had as many as 40 Democrat defectors
join the republicans to vote against Obama Care.

In the Senate, there was never 60 votes to pass Obama Care.


Sorry -- Obama Care had a built-in poison pill by starting
in the Senate. Now someone is finally asking a Court to agree
with that supposition.

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 Quoting: Bucephelus


Was that one guy Olympia Snowe who got it to the Senate floor for a vote? (just another example of many).

There were multiple ONE GUY's (and gals) who moved it along over months and months.

You are living in a FOX fantasy world. It will be 20 years down the road and you will still be waiting for an (R) to come riding in on a white horse - you party faithful are unbelievable! When the used car salesman sees you drive up on the lot they must be licking their chops!
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Would this now make it legal to arrest all those who signed it since it is an illegal & unconstitutional law?

That would be great...life with no parole at Guantanamo or in North Korea for any names on the illegal tax bill.
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I have always thought it was unconstitutional simply based on the statement by the PelosiBitch "We have to vote on it to see whats in it".

A simple admission that none of the people who voted on the bill had ever seen it. It is pure common sense that you cannot make a constitutionally valid decision about whether a law is good for the people or not if the people who are voting it into law have never read what is in it.

All so the sons of bitches should be thrown out!!
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It's a tax bullshit it is

It's a fucking mandate and they know it.

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Indeed.

But we need to kill Obama Care using the right legal language.


Team Obama argues that the Senate took a Bill that originated
in the House, gutted the language, inserted the Obama Care
language, then followed with the "deemed it passed in the
House".

However, the fact is that a "Deeming Resolution" is not
officially defined, nor is there any specific statute or standing
rule authorizing such legislation.


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 Quoting: Bucephelus


Damn. I was hoping this would kill Obamacare.

But if that's what happened, it's exactly what happened with the TARP legislation back around 2008. And that stuck.

Still hoping, but less optimistic than I was at the top of thread.
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It's a tax bullshit it is

It's a fucking mandate and they know it.

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Indeed.

But we need to kill Obama Care using the right legal language.


Team Obama argues that the Senate took a Bill that originated
in the House, gutted the language, inserted the Obama Care
language, then followed with the "deemed it passed in the
House".

However, the fact is that a "Deeming Resolution" is not
officially defined, nor is there any specific statute or standing
rule authorizing such legislation.


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 Quoting: Bucephelus


Damn. I was hoping this would kill Obamacare.

But if that's what happened, it's exactly what happened with the TARP legislation back around 2008. And that stuck.

Still hoping, but less optimistic than I was at the top of thread.
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Not sure if TARP had a deeming resolution attached to it, but I seem to remember something like that too.
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Would this now make it legal to arrest all those who signed it since it is an illegal & unconstitutional law?

That would be great...life with no parole at Guantanamo or in North Korea for any names on the illegal tax bill.

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NK doesn't want them. We'll have to incarcerate them on our own dime.
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Would this now make it legal to arrest all those who signed it since it is an illegal & unconstitutional law?

That would be great...life with no parole at Guantanamo or in North Korea for any names on the illegal tax bill.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19138044


Uh....No. Many laws have been passed by Congress that have later been held as unconstitutional by SCOTUS. That's why we have the three branches of government. Checks and balances.
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My son says the obama tax is going down although it may take awhile and he's never been wrong yet.
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Why don't you meanies want the pooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrr to have health care!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I have been saying this since 2009. Since 2009 I have brought this up to friends and family. NO ONE listened. It's simple Constitutional law. All taxation legislation must originate in the house of representatives. When it went to the SCOTUS and Robert's changed the legislation (which the scotus is not allowed to do, fyi)to call Obamacare a tax I said ok then it is un Constitutional. All the morons on the left and pro Obamacare people said nanny nanny boo boo stick your head in do do. See even right leaning Roberts says it's constitutional. I couldn't expect people on the left and many on the right that are for Obamacare to understand Constitutional process of legislation. How was I to get people to believe Roberts proved it is unconstitutional by a back door bang by calling it a tax. Maybe Roberts is smarter than everyone gives him credit for. He said it is up to the people. Well the people need to call for Obamacare to be struck down solely because the process of legislation was not held and Obamacare originating in the senate proves it is un Constitutional. The insurance companies and the democrats in the senate sat and wrote the bill... Ya think it would be easy to sell (Which it wasn't to people with half of a brain) to people telling them that the exact companies that are increasing your rates and offering the product you are being forced to purchase or be fined for not doing so... ya think people would be happy that the insurance companies helped write Obamacare?
Sadly, I see all of this not going anywhere. Republicans are in on it too... Remember in 2010 when they said to elect them to get rid of Obamacare? That was 3 years ago... The House of Representatives do all appropriations. All they would have to do is not appropriate the funds to HHS and all of the people working in the programs. No money... no Obamacare...
Nothing will change Obamacare from getting slammed down our throats... Well there is one thing!

IF WE THE PEOPLE GET OUR FUCKING HEADS OUT OF OUR ASSES AND STOP PLAYING THE BLAME GAME BS. REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS ARE THE SAME... UNTIL YOUR REALIZE THIS NOTHING WILL EVER GET CHANGED.
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The Democrats would count their lucky stars
if the SCOTUS killed the Obama Care "tax".


Nobody wants Obama Care.


:obamacare-screwe:

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 Quoting: Bucephelus


DITTO - I don't want nor like this thing but OI want full implementation just so that all the stupid motherfuckers praising it can eat shit right along with everyone else!
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Would this now make it legal to arrest all those who signed it since it is an illegal & unconstitutional law?

That would be great...life with no parole at Guantanamo or in North Korea for any names on the illegal tax bill.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19138044


Uh....No. Many laws have been passed by Congress that have later been held as unconstitutional by SCOTUS. That's why we have the three branches of government. Checks and balances.
 Quoting: Little Baby Jesus



Have you not being paying attention to the last 4+ years... Obama doesn't think there are 3 branches... he thinks and acts as if there is one... him... open your eyes and look at what he has done...
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Why don't you meanies want the pooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrr to have health care!!!!!!!!!!!!
 Quoting: chuckles 36801153


Because we won't want to pay for our own demise in the form of death camps and vaccinations. These fuckheads want to destroy the middle class and poor AND they want US to pay for it!

BTW, I know you're just foolin' =)
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Would this now make it legal to arrest all those who signed it since it is an illegal & unconstitutional law?

That would be great...life with no parole at Guantanamo or in North Korea for any names on the illegal tax bill.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19138044


Uh....No. Many laws have been passed by Congress that have later been held as unconstitutional by SCOTUS. That's why we have the three branches of government. Checks and balances.
 Quoting: Little Baby Jesus



Have you not being paying attention to the last 4+ years... Obama doesn't think there are 3 branches... he thinks and acts as if there is one... him... open your eyes and look at what he has done...
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AYE. Even simpler, look in HIS eyes and you can see he is an ego-maniacal narcissistic sociopath just like those above him.

A machine, who cares fuck all about the populace(including blacks who voted for him because hi is black lol)
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Would this now make it legal to arrest all those who signed it since it is an illegal & unconstitutional law?

That would be great...life with no parole at Guantanamo or in North Korea for any names on the illegal tax bill.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19138044


Uh....No. Many laws have been passed by Congress that have later been held as unconstitutional by SCOTUS. That's why we have the three branches of government. Checks and balances.
 Quoting: Little Baby Jesus



Have you not being paying attention to the last 4+ years... Obama doesn't think there are 3 branches... he thinks and acts as if there is one... him... open your eyes and look at what he has done...
militiamilitia
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Calm down my friend, I have been paying attention and am well aware of what's going on. I was merely answering Latvia's question, not stating an opinion. This is a problem on this site. Many people are spring loaded to attack based upon pure emotion and false assumptions. And let it be ivery clear, this is EXACTLY what TPTB count on.

Appology accepted.
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Obamacare is a penalty imposed on Americans by people who think they have a right to tax everything. In reality there is no right, no tax and no ffing Obamacare. Its all a scam in a country falling apart from electing incompetents to office.

Some technicality.
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This is not news. This was brought up as soon as Roberts sold out. Nobody seems interested in doing anything about it. It's like Washington DC is a scripted show!
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title of article is subliminal, "...kill 'Obama...'"

damned
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Yep, this is just one of the many reasons that Obamacare is entirely unlawful. But laws don't seem to matter anymore to the ruling elites.
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You're right! Seems to me that they will make it go thru regardless if they sent it to House or not!

They want this to go thru badly!

Blah! blah blah!
Can't we all just get along?!
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Would this now make it legal to arrest all those who signed it since it is an illegal & unconstitutional law?

That would be great...life with no parole at Guantanamo or in North Korea for any names on the illegal tax bill.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19138044


Uh....No. Many laws have been passed by Congress that have later been held as unconstitutional by SCOTUS. That's why we have the three branches of government. Checks and balances.
 Quoting: Little Baby Jesus



Have you not being paying attention to the last 4+ years... Obama doesn't think there are 3 branches... he thinks and acts as if there is one... him... open your eyes and look at what he has done...
militiamilitia
 Quoting: Sleeping Giant16


Calm down my friend, I have been paying attention and am well aware of what's going on. I was merely answering Latvia's question, not stating an opinion. This is a problem on this site. Many people are spring loaded to attack based upon pure emotion and false assumptions. And let it be ivery clear, this is EXACTLY what TPTB count on.

Appology accepted.
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I was not spring loaded to attack anything. Relax... maybe you should have went a bit deeper in your answer to her. Keep calm and Chive on.
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Why don't you meanies want the pooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrr to have health care!!!!!!!!!!!!
 Quoting: chuckles 36801153


Oh even the poor would not like this type of healthcare.

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