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My grandmothers breast cancer has came back for the 3rd time. she wants to try the natural way now. any advice?

 
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People often forget the mental side of health and the effects it has on the body.

1- Establish a reason for living, something that tells the subconscious it is not time, keep on fighting the cancer.

2- Surround them with positive pictures, stories, people and spend time with them. Spending time is great because it helps those die easier or live longer.

3- Let the body make it's own medicine, drink plenty of fresh distilled water AND spring water. Lots of fresh air, some sunlight.

4- Identify ANY deficiencies in the blood and address it. Vit D, E, Iron, Oxygen, doesn't matter what.

5- Take melatonin at night, it will remove the free radicals flooding the body. Melatonin also triggers night time healing processes boosting immunity.

6- Practice deep breathing exercises while resting to restore oxygen to the blood. Also helps to eat foods that reduce acidic ph in the blood. Which happens to be nearly everything natural.

7- Chemo makes it hard to eat. Processed foods taste extra nasty as the taste buds aren't working properly from the chemo. Fresh produce and fruits are the least offending, from many patients this was reported.

Always run these ideas by your oncologists. Even simple things can react with medicines/chemotherapy.

If taking radiation, AVOID ALL SMOKE. Cellular process + smoke + radiation = big time bad news
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You are right about antioxidants.
They can only go so far.

That is why one must take salvestrols in the diet by large amounts. Therefore a supplement was compounded for that high dosage needed.

"Antioxidants strive to protect our cells from DNA damage but are ineffective once the damage is done. Salvestrols work beyond antioxidants by eliminating the damaged cells, and only the damaged cells. Since we all have damaged cells in our bodies, taking Salvestrols helps us heal ourselves before a sufficient accumulation can make us sick."
[link to www.salvestrol.ca] Read more
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Yes, you should BUY a least 20 bottles more than you will actually need. And don't forget, it may months and months before you see any positive effect so keep on buying them..."

That's almost a verbatim quote from Gerry's site.

Fucking quack.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36256833


Geez,... now you are being silly!

The compounds are extracts - specific ones. Many have gotten over their detectible cancer problems within months taking 6000 points (6 capsules as day) - Taking smaller amounts like one capsule a day after cure will sweep up any circulating malignant cells.


What site are you referring to? I didn't know Gerry had a site. hmmm...

And you are who???
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If they did what they're supposed to they should be proportionately quantifiable, it shouldn't be a "stick your finger in the air" therapy.
And, given that they've been around for several years now there should be plenty of evidence around but strangely there isn'y.
I wonder why?

As for Gerry's site, do your research!
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You are making no sense.
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Are you his agent or do just just have a financial interest in him?

How come Gerry's gone to the side of quackery now then?
Is it because he was finding it hard making money doing it the proper way? And did his depression cause him to re-think his financial strategy?
He is (was) indeed a very good scientists and the abiraterone was an amazing achievement. I believe though he went about things in a very scientific manner with that though, hence the awards.
Now though he relies upon posting anecdotal "case studies" on his website to "prove" how well salvestrols work. Why is it I can't find even one of these studies which is corroborated by a full case history and proper documentation?
Red flags raised.

As for my knowledge on cancer treatments?
Let's just say it is quite extensive to say the least.
However, one thing I would never do (just because I'm a responsible adult) is to promote any type of cancer therapy over the internet to someone I'd never met before.
That's also because I have no vested interest in any cancer therapies unlike some on here.
I do however have an absolute abhorrence of quacks and their lackeys.
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Wow, you changed your tune quickly. funny!

Of course I don't have a financial interest. I have been on GLP for years and just found out about this from researching since my sister got diagnosed.

If you do know about cancer research, then you also should know that one has to pay millions of dollars for clinical trials. There are clinical trials on resveratrol (which is one type of salvestrol) and a few other kinds. Case studies were published in journals for peer review. Dr Dan Burke give lectures on it. He worked with Potter. You may call him a quack as well if you like. I am sure that doesn't keep him or Potter from making strides in this endeavor. Many doctors are now recommending salvestrol products. Do the research! I just bought some from a local doctor.

You also should know that you can't patent a herb or a plant or a fruit. No one would fund clinical trials - it's insane!

I am surprised that you are even reacting this way. Researchers should be open to all opportunities. So far salvestrols have been proven to eliminate cancer. All cancers.

Good for you that you have an abhorance to quacks and lackys. That is why the FDA and governments are passing laws that over regulate and ban a good deal of natural substances instead of banning proven clinical trial evidence of prescription harmful drugs with harmful side effects.
 Quoting: calin


Typical quack response.
How have I changed my tune? Seriously, how?

Dan Burke is an orthomolecular practitioner I believe, that says it all for me.

What you should know is that although you can't patent a specific herb or plant you can patent a use for it or one of its constituents. Another quack-based myth I'm afraid.
The vast majority of regulated drugs out there are based upon plants.
ALL of these drugs have had clinical trials so why can't you perform them on salvestrols? Are they exempt for some reason?

And the closing gambit of the big, bad FDA.

A classic quack rebuttal.
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You are not being logical. Salvestrol is NOT a drug.

Please do your research before you make comments that are not logical.

Prof Dan Burke:

Emeritus Professor of Pharmaceutical Metabolism

Professor Burke has authored over 200 published research articles and is an expert on the metabolism, toxicity and interaction of drugs, environmental chemicals and natural compounds.

His specialism is the Cytochrome P450, or CYP, enzyme system which he has researched in everything from humans to citrus fruits.

In the 1990s he and his research group discovered the CYP1B1 enzyme which was intrinsic to cancer cells but absent from healthy tissue. This discovery sparked worldwide research into new methods of cancer detection, prevention and treatment.
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Stop trying to put words in my mouth.
Where did I say it was a drug?


Salvestrols WILL have an active compound though won't they?
And that can be patented.

Also seems like Dan has followed his friend Gerry to the dark side.
Presenting at the Shen clinic isn't really what being a Prof Emeritus is all about.
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What is as important is your journey.
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What is as important is your journey.
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Wow, you changed your tune quickly. funny!

Of course I don't have a financial interest. I have been on GLP for years and just found out about this from researching since my sister got diagnosed.

If you do know about cancer research, then you also should know that one has to pay millions of dollars for clinical trials. There are clinical trials on resveratrol (which is one type of salvestrol) and a few other kinds. Case studies were published in journals for peer review. Dr Dan Burke give lectures on it. He worked with Potter. You may call him a quack as well if you like. I am sure that doesn't keep him or Potter from making strides in this endeavor. Many doctors are now recommending salvestrol products. Do the research! I just bought some from a local doctor.

You also should know that you can't patent a herb or a plant or a fruit. No one would fund clinical trials - it's insane!

I am surprised that you are even reacting this way. Researchers should be open to all opportunities. So far salvestrols have been proven to eliminate cancer. All cancers.

Good for you that you have an abhorance to quacks and lackys. That is why the FDA and governments are passing laws that over regulate and ban a good deal of natural substances instead of banning proven clinical trial evidence of prescription harmful drugs with harmful side effects.
 Quoting: calin


Typical quack response.
How have I changed my tune? Seriously, how?

Dan Burke is an orthomolecular practitioner I believe, that says it all for me.

What you should know is that although you can't patent a specific herb or plant you can patent a use for it or one of its constituents. Another quack-based myth I'm afraid.
The vast majority of regulated drugs out there are based upon plants.
ALL of these drugs have had clinical trials so why can't you perform them on salvestrols? Are they exempt for some reason?

And the closing gambit of the big, bad FDA.

A classic quack rebuttal.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36256833

You are not being logical. Salvestrol is NOT a drug.

Please do your research before you make comments that are not logical.

Prof Dan Burke:

Emeritus Professor of Pharmaceutical Metabolism

Professor Burke has authored over 200 published research articles and is an expert on the metabolism, toxicity and interaction of drugs, environmental chemicals and natural compounds.

His specialism is the Cytochrome P450, or CYP, enzyme system which he has researched in everything from humans to citrus fruits.

In the 1990s he and his research group discovered the CYP1B1 enzyme which was intrinsic to cancer cells but absent from healthy tissue. This discovery sparked worldwide research into new methods of cancer detection, prevention and treatment.
 Quoting: calin


Stop trying to put words in my mouth.
Where did I say it was a drug?


Salvestrols WILL have an active compound though won't they?
And that can be patented.

Also seems like Dan has followed his friend Gerry to the dark side.
Presenting at the Shen clinic isn't really what being a Prof Emeritus is all about.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36256833

Salvestrols are made from organically grown fruit. Try and patent that.

What is dark about a clinic? He was giving a presentation at their request.
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#1 NO ALUMINIUM ANTIPERSPIRANT

Curcumin/turmeric, fresh juiced lemon/orange juice, pumpkin seeds, ginger tea, no flour/sugar, very low protein diet, apple seeds & apricot seeds (for vit B17), papaya + papaya seeds (natural treatment in chinese medicine for cirrhosis of the liver, and everything that is good for the liver is good for a cancer patient).

Best of luck!
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The second time it came up I would have had them chopped off
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If you remove your breasts without finding the cause of the cancer - then it will just come back somewhere else

Mainstream doctors do NOT cure anything, they only treat symptoms. The cancer is a symptom.

You'll run out of disposable body parts before mainstream doctors get a clue.
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Calin,
thanks for your wonderful research on salvestrol hf

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The second time it came up I would have had them chopped off
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If you remove your breasts without finding the cause of the cancer - then it will just come back somewhere else

Mainstream doctors do NOT cure anything, they only treat symptoms. The cancer is a symptom.

You'll run out of disposable body parts before mainstream doctors get a clue.
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Yes... our diets no longer contain the necessary nutrients to be supportive of our immune system and our body's defense system to remove malignant cells. We are bombarded with environmental, chemical, and food poisons.
We have to supplement as best we can these days.

Thank you kindly zean. We are all in this together. Sharing is caring! :)
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apple cider vinegar to raise body ph above 8.5 for 4 days straight. Can also buy ph adjuster drops but ph must remain above 8.5 at all times
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total raw juice diet...blend your own fresh fruit, vegs, nuts, grains and sprouts.and drink and eat sour sop and wheat grass. no smoking or drinking. God bless her and help her.
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How is your kitty's ear doing?
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There are two natural cures that are rumored to be quite effective that would be simple to try.

One is eating 25-50 apricot seeds per day. You can order them on Amazon. Read G. Edward Griffin's book, "A World Without Cancer" about this cure.

You could also have her try eating a raw garlic clove smashed on a buttered slice of Ezekiel bread with grated fresh habanero pepper on top two times a day. This is also reported to work well. Read Kelley Eidem's book "The Doctor Who Cured Cancer" about this method. (Dr. Revici)

I would also have her doing some light fasting and replacement of any bad meals that are not nutritious with juices made in a juicer from a combination of fresh apples, carrot, kale, celery, etc.
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Thank you!!!!!!!!! hf
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How is your kitty's ear doing?
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well its definitely hematoma, vet says he needs surgery but we can't afford it, so we are putting a warm compress on it hoping it will help.
his ear may never heal and always be crinkled
verysad

but thank you for asking hfhf
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you have been taught cancer is the hardest thing to cure. What you don't know is that cancer is a fungus, and with the proper tools it can be eradicated. Doctors using chemo is like telling a man to build a house with nothing but a boulder.
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cut out the sugars! IT FEEDS CANCER

disease grows in acidic environments. Make sure she eats alkaline foods.

She can check her ph daily with Body Rescue ph testing tapes:
[link to www.luckyvitamin.com]
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thank you hf
i really apperciate it!
please dont try the "natural way"
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why?
we've tried everything else but this
Bring her ph up to 7.6 (tested with urine sample) using baking soda and water and try increasing the oxygen in her blood, that can be as simple as taking a few drops of 3% hydrogen peroxide via a nasal mister. Read up on these and see if they fit with your desired goals.
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thank you very much!!! hf
Here is something to consider:

A puree of completely fresh and organic asparagus, walnuts and avocado.

Where did I get this info?

[link to www.youtube.com]

(he talks about this in the last 20 seconds of the video)

Now... I can't vouch for this recommendation through my own experience... all I can tell you is, that I trust this person. Watch a few of his videos, and see if you feel what he has to say resonates with you, and base your trust on that. In any case, it sounds like a healthy drink, I can't see how it would hurt.
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thank you hf
we will check it out

I'd recommend lugol's... iodine is the answer

Keep her off flouride and bromide...

Means no breads and drinking distilled water

If she prefers pills then buy some iodoral

Slowly ramp up doseage
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ive heard about iodine..
definitely will look into
thanks so much! hf
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Your grandmother may have the spirit of cancer. It keeps coming back because the spirit of cancer has not been casted out.

There is a person named brother carlos on youtube, he can cast out the spirit related to cancer just by watching the video.

Ask your grandmother to watch the video "CANCER Demon Diagnosis - HEALTH CHANNEL"


Please this is not a joke, my back pain, arthritis and addiction were all related to evil spirits and were CURED BY JESUS

Just watch that video, then tell her to read this prayer

[link to s1359.photobucket.com]


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gma is not as open to the idea of demons as i am.
i know cancer is spiritual.
but thank you so much hf
ill be in prayer
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Thank you all for your advice! I really reeeeaaaaaalllllly apperciate it and love you all. hugshugshugshugshugshugshugshugshugshugshugshugshugshugshf
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Your grandmother may have the spirit of cancer. It keeps coming back because the spirit of cancer has not been casted out.

There is a person named brother carlos on youtube, he can cast out the spirit related to cancer just by watching the video.

Ask your grandmother to watch the video "CANCER Demon Diagnosis - HEALTH CHANNEL"


Please this is not a joke, my back pain, arthritis and addiction were all related to evil spirits and were CURED BY JESUS

Just watch that video, then tell her to read this prayer

[link to s1359.photobucket.com]


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gma is not as open to the idea of demons as i am.
i know cancer is spiritual.
but thank you so much hf
ill be in prayer
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I felt compelled to share that to you, and was led by the holy spirit to check back right now.

Please do not disregard it

Show her that video, it is very powerful. There is nothing modern medicine can do, its spiritual like you said, please dont ignore this

Just show her the video, she feel something and will be much better.

Like I said, I just felt the presence come over me now, i had to warn you again, do the waste time with these holistic remedies. The video is only 10 minutes long, please show it to her

God Bless
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cut out the sugars! IT FEEDS CANCER

disease grows in acidic environments. Make sure she eats alkaline foods.

She can check her ph daily with Body Rescue ph testing tapes:
[link to www.luckyvitamin.com]
 Quoting: violet star 37268536

thank you hf
i really apperciate it!
please dont try the "natural way"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18705717

why?
we've tried everything else but this
Bring her ph up to 7.6 (tested with urine sample) using baking soda and water and try increasing the oxygen in her blood, that can be as simple as taking a few drops of 3% hydrogen peroxide via a nasal mister. Read up on these and see if they fit with your desired goals.
 Quoting: MHz

thank you very much!!! hf
Here is something to consider:

A puree of completely fresh and organic asparagus, walnuts and avocado.

Where did I get this info?

[link to www.youtube.com]

(he talks about this in the last 20 seconds of the video)

Now... I can't vouch for this recommendation through my own experience... all I can tell you is, that I trust this person. Watch a few of his videos, and see if you feel what he has to say resonates with you, and base your trust on that. In any case, it sounds like a healthy drink, I can't see how it would hurt.
 Quoting: Asyouprefer

thank you hf
we will check it out

I'd recommend lugol's... iodine is the answer

Keep her off flouride and bromide...

Means no breads and drinking distilled water

If she prefers pills then buy some iodoral

Slowly ramp up doseage
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21368110


ive heard about iodine..
definitely will look into
thanks so much! hf
 Quoting: ClassicalConspiracy


Sorry but these people haven't a clue how the human body works.

Cancer does feed off sugar but so does every other cell.
An increase in sugar doesn't make the cancer grow any faster.

The acid environment is a classic case of people knowing too little.
Cancer doesn't thrive in an acidic environment. Like every other living cell it can only function in a very tight pH range, around 7.35-7.45. Any pH outside of this (higher or lower) begins to damage the cells. That's ALL of the cells, cancer or not.
The reason this "theory" has become so popular is that in the 1940's (I think!) it was discovered that cancer cells PRODUCE acid as a by-product of their metabolism.
Testing your body's pH by urine strips is useless. Urine is a waste product and is one way the body helps maintain a constant pH. The only effective way to measure your body's pH is by using blood measurements. However I will guarantee that the pH levels will always remain pretty constant. Unless of course you're very near to death. Like hours away.

Eating or drinking baking soda has no effect on the body's pH levels. At all.
Once it gets into the stomach it's converted in salt, water and a little CO2. That's it.
Using hydrogen peroxide is pretty much a waste of time as it's metabolised into water and a tiny bit of oxygen. That's it.

Eating fruit and veg is always healthy but that can only possibly help prevent cancers. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever anywhere at all that it cures it.

There's also no evidence at all, again anywhere that lugols help treat cancer. Nothing, nada, zip.

Now I'm sure all of these people are trying to help and kudos for that but I can guarantee that not one of these posters has any verifiable evidence to say that any of this works (although I'm sure they can find plenty of anecdotal evidence to "support" their claims).
Unfortunately the internet is full of cancer cures.
None of these sites show any proper evidence though just anecdotes, testimonials and if you're really lucky some pseudo-scientific jargon.

A lot of these posters are saying "Well it won't hurt, what have you got to lose?".
Well if you have cancer, two things you need are time and hope.
These take away both of them.
And what have you got to lose?
Well, if you have cancer, your life. Simple as.
Doesn't really get any bigger than that.

As I've mentioned before, I won't tell anyone over the internet what treatments to have. I will tell them what treatments NOT to have though and that's because they're at best ineffective or at worst dangerous to health.

And that's the last I'm going to say on the subject other than everything I've stated is fact and can be backed up with proper, verifiable and reproducible evidence.
None of the other posters can match that.
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Typical quack response.
How have I changed my tune? Seriously, how?

Dan Burke is an orthomolecular practitioner I believe, that says it all for me.

What you should know is that although you can't patent a specific herb or plant you can patent a use for it or one of its constituents. Another quack-based myth I'm afraid.
The vast majority of regulated drugs out there are based upon plants.
ALL of these drugs have had clinical trials so why can't you perform them on salvestrols? Are they exempt for some reason?

And the closing gambit of the big, bad FDA.

A classic quack rebuttal.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36256833

You are not being logical. Salvestrol is NOT a drug.

Please do your research before you make comments that are not logical.

Prof Dan Burke:

Emeritus Professor of Pharmaceutical Metabolism

Professor Burke has authored over 200 published research articles and is an expert on the metabolism, toxicity and interaction of drugs, environmental chemicals and natural compounds.

His specialism is the Cytochrome P450, or CYP, enzyme system which he has researched in everything from humans to citrus fruits.

In the 1990s he and his research group discovered the CYP1B1 enzyme which was intrinsic to cancer cells but absent from healthy tissue. This discovery sparked worldwide research into new methods of cancer detection, prevention and treatment.
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Stop trying to put words in my mouth.
Where did I say it was a drug?


Salvestrols WILL have an active compound though won't they?
And that can be patented.

Also seems like Dan has followed his friend Gerry to the dark side.
Presenting at the Shen clinic isn't really what being a Prof Emeritus is all about.
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Salvestrols are made from organically grown fruit. Try and patent that.

What is dark about a clinic? He was giving a presentation at their request.
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You just don't get it do you?
You can patent the use of a compound for a certain action.
If I discovered tomato skins cured gout by rubbing them on your feet I could patent that. Easily.

And what's dark about the Shen Clinic?
Nothing per se but in the scientific world it carries no weight whatsoever.
I'm sure he was paid handsomely for his time though...

See where I'm going with this?

Gerry was pissed off he made very little money of his first effort due to the time and cost of bringing a regulated drug to market. He also felt he was ripped off by the company who bought the rights to it.
So what does he do after his "sabbatical"?
He decides to move in on the completely unregulated natural health market (which if you didn't know is extremely lucrative indeed! Over $50 BILLION was spent on it last year alone!).
His background along with his friend Dan is a sure-fire way of making money in that market.
And guess what, he doesn't have to send himself into manic depression again by working round the clock to prove his efforts and get his discoveries approved.
As in the natural health market there are few, if any regulations at all.

Do I blame him for doing it? Probably not.
Does it make me think salvestrols are the answer? Definitely not.
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When you can identify yourself and list your credentials here then I would be more inclined to listen and or accept your claims and statements.

It is very easy to call others quacks or find fault with suggestions given here regarding the subject of this thread. However, you offer no medical, clinical or publication resources to your statements or and counter proof.

You may very well be correct in your statements about sodium bicarbonate... partially anyway, and or other statements. However, you have not come up with one statement of FACT with attached resources such as identified on the Case Studies of salvestrols or sodium bicarbonate, etc. I will locate and post information regarding BS here when I have more time.

As with any treatment, we each have to do our homework before following a course of action. All contraindications should be evaluated and hopefully discussed with an appropriate medical professional. You "anonymous coward" are no medical professional... and for that matter either am I. However, I post what medical professionals have published and let the reader find what resonates with them.

There are many Pub Med and peer reviewed papers that are easily viewed on the web regarding various forms of salvestrols. There are about 100 types based on what I have read.

I did find this statement at this link regarding a patent... [link to www.salvestrols.co.za]
Salvestrols are a patented technology and the outcome of two decades of
research, at a conservative cost of at least US$30 million.


If you would like to see more resources - [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

Good day!

EDIT: In the back of the book: "Salvestrols Nature's Defence Against Cancer" there are 56 references in the popular press supporting the book's material. Also included are 70 research references.

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ClassicalConspiracy, this is a good read and lots of information...

[link to drsircus.com]

Transdermal Breast Cancer Treatments


Here is an excerpt: ..... magnesium chloride, iodine, sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) as well as cannabinoids. Next on the list is something new to the cancer world, topical selenium treatments, and these treatments would be supported by high dosages of oral selenium. This is cutting-edge oncology for breast cancer patients. Few people know or understand the potential of selenium in cancer treatment. Few doctors know that selenium is also injectable or administered easily intravenously as is in emergency room situations.

One of the most exciting aspects of Natural Allopathic breast treatment is a new product that contains melatonin for topical use and this would be ideal for topical application on the breasts and the rest of the body in measured doses.

[snip]

.... “Extended periods of stress and trauma and its resulting cortisol production may interfere with the body’s ability to fight off cancer progression,” said Dr. Palesh. “When there is consistent, long-term stress in the body, the elevated cortisol level may change the body’s normal rhythms and potentially reduce resistance to tumor growth.”

The incidence of cancer rises and falls with severe stress. Thus cancer might disappear without any form of medical intervention when stress issues are resolved. One in five breast cancer tumors do regress without treatment. Researchers screening women who had a history of regular mammograms and those who did not report that those in the first group were diagnosed with 22% more breast cancers, implying that such a percentage of cancers would have eventually gone away on their own. The study opens up a controversial debate on whether early and aggressive treatment of breast cancer is always the best procedure.

A paper in the Journal of the American Medical Association noted that many small tumors would not be a problem if they were left alone, i.e., undiscovered by screening. Many tumors are destined to stop growing, to shrink and even disappear completely. “The old view is that cancer is a linear process,” said Dr. Barnett Kramer, associate director for disease prevention at the National Institutes of Health. “A cell acquired a mutation, and little by little it acquired more and more mutations. Mutations are not supposed to revert spontaneously.”

Read more at the link.

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I don't have any advice but I pray that she will be healed and recover by the Healer, Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
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Although I don't know too much on the subject, would just like to say I wish your Grandmother all the best.

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For everything you want to know about baking soda - sodium bicarbonate and cancer, check this site. Sodium Bicarbonate (Baking Soda) Articles - [link to drsircus.com]


Here is a snippet.....

Sodium Bicarbonate (Baking Soda) – Every Cancer Patients Best Friend

...............Oral NaHCO3 selectively increased the pH of tumors and reduced the formation of spontaneous metastases in mouse models of metastatic breast cancer. NaHCO3 therapy also reduced the rate of lymph node involvement and significantly reduced the formation of hepatic metastases. Acid pH was shown to increase the release of active cathepsin B, an important matrix remodeling protease.[2]

We know that bicarbonate turns to CO2 easily when dissolved in water as it enters the stomach but few know that cancerous tissue turns bicarbonate into carbon dioxide. A few years ago a United Kingdom Cancer Research team found MRI scans were able to track changes in bicarbonate and therefore identify cancers even in the very early stages.

All cancer has a lower pH, meaning it is more acidic than surrounding tissue. Working with mice, the researchers boosted the MRI sensitivity more than 20,000 times. Using MRI, they looked to see how much of the tagged bicarbonate was converted into carbon dioxide within the tumor. In more acidic tumors, more bicarbonate is converted into carbon dioxide.


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ClassicalConspiracy, please watch this video. This person does healing through skype, you should contact him and set up an appointment

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When you can identify yourself and list your credentials here then I would be more inclined to listen and or accept your claims and statements.

It is very easy to call others quacks or find fault with suggestions given here regarding the subject of this thread. However, you offer no medical, clinical or publication resources to your statements or and counter proof.

You may very well be correct in your statements about sodium bicarbonate... partially anyway, and or other statements. However, you have not come up with one statement of FACT with attached resources such as identified on the Case Studies of salvestrols or sodium bicarbonate, etc. I will locate and post information regarding BS here when I have more time.

As with any treatment, we each have to do our homework before following a course of action. All contraindications should be evaluated and hopefully discussed with an appropriate medical professional. You "anonymous coward" are no medical professional... and for that matter either am I. However, I post what medical professionals have published and let the reader find what resonates with them.

There are many Pub Med and peer reviewed papers that are easily viewed on the web regarding various forms of salvestrols. There are about 100 types based on what I have read.

I did find this statement at this link regarding a patent... [link to www.salvestrols.co.za]
Salvestrols are a patented technology and the outcome of two decades of
research, at a conservative cost of at least US$30 million.


If you would like to see more resources - [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

Good day!

EDIT: In the back of the book: "Salvestrols Nature's Defence Against Cancer" there are 56 references in the popular press supporting the book's material. Also included are 70 research references.
 Quoting: calin


I'm not stupid enough to post who I am on a forum such as this. Just as you haven't.
And it's pretty obvious that you're not a medical professional.
However it's also pretty obvious you're involved with the selling of salvestrols.

However, currently I'm working for a charity-funded cancer research institution just outside of Cambridge. My qualifications include an MSc in cardiac physiology and a PhD in pharma-kinetics.
Whether you believe that is entirely up to you.

Now on to the science, I'll start with our old friend baking soda.
Baking soda is good for a few things, one remedy it used to be used for widely was to relieve heartburn. It does this as it neutralises stomach acid-hydrochloric acid (HCl). However in doing this it also neutralises itself. Baking soda is sodium bicarbonate (NaHCO3) so the chemical reaction goes like this
NaHCO3 + HCL = NaCL + H2O + CO2 i.e. the baking soda is plus acid is converted into common salt (NaCl), water (H2O) and carbon dioxide (CO2 which is why a lot of people burp after ingesting it).
There is no sodium bicarbonate left to be absorbed into the body. The stomach acts as a buffer to prevent this.
Now you can alter your body's pH directly with a base but you have to inject it intravenously. I really wouldn't recommend this at all though as you can kill yourself very easily. This procedure needs to be constantly monitored by professionals and is generally only used in life or death situations.
The link you provided about soda bic altering the near state of cancer cells was interesting but what you need to understand is that not only was this a computer simulation it was a computer simulation in vitro.
There are plenty of common compounds (paracetamol's my favourite) that either halt or slow cancer growth or kill the cells in vitro. However when these are applied in the real world they're ineffective. Especially when ingested.

To go back to what I posted earlier though and this is THE most important physiological aspect of altering your body's pH...ALL of your body's cells would react to a change in pH levels. Doesn't matter whether it was too acidic or too alkiline. Out of the "goldilocks" pH range your cells start to function abnormally and will then start to die.
That's all of your cells, not just cancer cells.

On to salvestrols (did you know that Salvestrol is a registered trademark?.....you can't make money off plants and herbs though can you?)

Irrespective of the fact that some newspaper articles cite salvestrols as a wonder drug (conveniently printed as "references" in a book promoting them...)all of the scientific publications refer to salvestrol's cancer fighting properties have been done in lab situations (see above for paracetamol). None have been carried out after subjects have ingested them.
Not one peer-reviewed scientific paper has been published to support this.
Although there are plenty of unsupported "case studies"...

If it sounds like a duck etc.

Now I would suggest that the best salvestrols can do is mimic part of a healthy diet. As we all know, a healthy diet is good for you and to a limited extent can HELP PREVENT certain types of cancers.
What a healthy diet CANNOT do is cure you of cancer.
That is physiologically impossible.


As for my "lack of resources"; I'm not the one promoting any miracle wonder-cure for cancer, you are.
Therefore if you wish to keep things scientific, the burden of proof is entirely upon you.

However I have proved the inability of NaHCO3 to alter the body's pH by ingestion and I have also challenged your claims regarding the scientific studies for the ingestion of salvestrol.

So Mr Salesman, it's over to you.
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When you can identify yourself and list your credentials here then I would be more inclined to listen and or accept your claims and statements.

It is very easy to call others quacks or find fault with suggestions given here regarding the subject of this thread. However, you offer no medical, clinical or publication resources to your statements or and counter proof.

You may very well be correct in your statements about sodium bicarbonate... partially anyway, and or other statements. However, you have not come up with one statement of FACT with attached resources such as identified on the Case Studies of salvestrols or sodium bicarbonate, etc. I will locate and post information regarding BS here when I have more time.

As with any treatment, we each have to do our homework before following a course of action. All contraindications should be evaluated and hopefully discussed with an appropriate medical professional. You "anonymous coward" are no medical professional... and for that matter either am I. However, I post what medical professionals have published and let the reader find what resonates with them.

There are many Pub Med and peer reviewed papers that are easily viewed on the web regarding various forms of salvestrols. There are about 100 types based on what I have read.

I did find this statement at this link regarding a patent... [link to www.salvestrols.co.za]
Salvestrols are a patented technology and the outcome of two decades of
research, at a conservative cost of at least US$30 million.


If you would like to see more resources - [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

Good day!

EDIT: In the back of the book: "Salvestrols Nature's Defence Against Cancer" there are 56 references in the popular press supporting the book's material. Also included are 70 research references.
 Quoting: calin


I'm not stupid enough to post who I am on a forum such as this. Just as you haven't.
And it's pretty obvious that you're not a medical professional.
However it's also pretty obvious you're involved with the selling of salvestrols.

However, currently I'm working for a charity-funded cancer research institution just outside of Cambridge. My qualifications include an MSc in cardiac physiology and a PhD in pharma-kinetics.
Whether you believe that is entirely up to you.

Now on to the science, I'll start with our old friend baking soda.
Baking soda is good for a few things, one remedy it used to be used for widely was to relieve heartburn. It does this as it neutralises stomach acid-hydrochloric acid (HCl). However in doing this it also neutralises itself. Baking soda is sodium bicarbonate (NaHCO3) so the chemical reaction goes like this
NaHCO3 + HCL = NaCL + H2O + CO2 i.e. the baking soda is plus acid is converted into common salt (NaCl), water (H2O) and carbon dioxide (CO2 which is why a lot of people burp after ingesting it).
There is no sodium bicarbonate left to be absorbed into the body. The stomach acts as a buffer to prevent this.
Now you can alter your body's pH directly with a base but you have to inject it intravenously. I really wouldn't recommend this at all though as you can kill yourself very easily. This procedure needs to be constantly monitored by professionals and is generally only used in life or death situations.
The link you provided about soda bic altering the near state of cancer cells was interesting but what you need to understand is that not only was this a computer simulation it was a computer simulation in vitro.
There are plenty of common compounds (paracetamol's my favourite) that either halt or slow cancer growth or kill the cells in vitro. However when these are applied in the real world they're ineffective. Especially when ingested.

To go back to what I posted earlier though and this is THE most important physiological aspect of altering your body's pH...ALL of your body's cells would react to a change in pH levels. Doesn't matter whether it was too acidic or too alkiline. Out of the "goldilocks" pH range your cells start to function abnormally and will then start to die.
That's all of your cells, not just cancer cells.

On to salvestrols (did you know that Salvestrol is a registered trademark?.....you can't make money off plants and herbs though can you?)

Irrespective of the fact that some newspaper articles cite salvestrols as a wonder drug (conveniently printed as "references" in a book promoting them...)all of the scientific publications refer to salvestrol's cancer fighting properties have been done in lab situations (see above for paracetamol). None have been carried out after subjects have ingested them.
Not one peer-reviewed scientific paper has been published to support this.
Although there are plenty of unsupported "case studies"...

If it sounds like a duck etc.

Now I would suggest that the best salvestrols can do is mimic part of a healthy diet. As we all know, a healthy diet is good for you and to a limited extent can HELP PREVENT certain types of cancers.
What a healthy diet CANNOT do is cure you of cancer.
That is physiologically impossible.


As for my "lack of resources"; I'm not the one promoting any miracle wonder-cure for cancer, you are.
Therefore if you wish to keep things scientific, the burden of proof is entirely upon you.

However I have proved the inability of NaHCO3 to alter the body's pH by ingestion and I have also challenged your claims regarding the scientific studies for the ingestion of salvestrol.

So Mr Salesman, it's over to you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36256833


I don't wish to engage in this kind of hostility. It proves nothing. I don't not sell anything. Utter nonsense!

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