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QUESTION: Does NK really have a working ICBM?

 
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QUESTION: Does NK really have a working ICBM?
I was googling the KN-08 missile which is said to be a ICBM but! Most websites I found placed big doubts about the authenticity of this missile and whether it truly is a ICBM. The best argument i found was:

"If real, the KN-08 could be quickly launched from anywhere, easily carrying a heavier satellite into Low Earth Orbit (LEO) than the Unha-2/-3. Therefore, the question arises why the North Koreans would spend so much effort on the Taepodong 2/Unha program, using outdated technology, when they already have a far superior rocket up their sleeves"

Source: [link to lewis.armscontrolwonk.com]

So am I missing something? Or is there really a ICBM? If so can someone post sone good info about it?
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Re: QUESTION: Does NK really have a working ICBM?
No one?
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Re: QUESTION: Does NK really have a working ICBM?
Come on people, lets be realistic for a moment here. all this talk about nuclear war and missiles hitting the USA and what have you, while NK might not even have the rocket to launch such attack.
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They put a satellite into orbit... They have the technology.
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Re: QUESTION: Does NK really have a working ICBM?
They put a satellite into orbit... They have the technology.
 Quoting: S.O.S.


exactly
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Re: QUESTION: Does NK really have a working ICBM?
They put a satellite into orbit... They have the technology.
 Quoting: S.O.S.


This.

They have had many problems, but if they were able to launch a barrage from mobile lauchers, one might work.

I also believe if we shoot thek down we will retaliate with nuclear response.

Time to vomit in fear.
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bump
Just one any....

The first symptom of stupidity is to think that we already know everything...

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Yes I think it's time to put your adult diapers on and vomit in fear
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Yes I think it's time to put your adult diapers on and vomit in fear
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Re: QUESTION: Does NK really have a working ICBM?
I was googling the KN-08 missile which is said to be a ICBM but! Most websites I found placed big doubts about the authenticity of this missile and whether it truly is a ICBM. The best argument i found was:

"If real, the KN-08 could be quickly launched from anywhere, easily carrying a heavier satellite into Low Earth Orbit (LEO) than the Unha-2/-3. Therefore, the question arises why the North Koreans would spend so much effort on the Taepodong 2/Unha program, using outdated technology, when they already have a far superior rocket up their sleeves"

Source: [link to lewis.armscontrolwonk.com]

So am I missing something? Or is there really a ICBM? If so can someone post sone good info about it?
 Quoting: S7 1006073



They might.

They might not.

We won't know until they launch it.

(that was a clue)
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Re: QUESTION: Does NK really have a working ICBM?
KN-08... Seriously? Knob, as in knob-job.
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Re: QUESTION: Does NK really have a working ICBM?
The Taepodong 2 and Unha missiles are Liquid propelled.

This type of fuel source limits the range.


So North Korea started to develop the Hwasong-13 which is the NATO designated KN-08, because it is a Hybrid Solid Fueled Missile with more range based upon Russian Technology.

They have have created an entire family of Solid Fueled missiles with progressively larger missiles for better range.


The Hwasong-14 is currently under development and also Hwasong-15, Hwasong-16 and Hwasong-17 ICBMs


All Solid Fueled which is a Step up from Liquid propellents.
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Re: QUESTION: Does NK really have a working ICBM?
They put a satellite into orbit... They have the technology.
 Quoting: S.O.S.


exactly
 Quoting: Butterfly girl


okay it seems you are right:
[link to edition.cnn.com]

But it seems a very pre mature program. They've only had one succesful launch so far, which was in January, how much can they have progressed from there? can't be that much can it?

Well I guess I'm not very impressed or scared yet.
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Re: QUESTION: Does NK really have a working ICBM?
They put a satellite into orbit... They have the technology.
 Quoting: S.O.S.


exactly
 Quoting: Butterfly girl


okay it seems you are right:
[link to edition.cnn.com]

But it seems a very pre mature program. They've only had one succesful launch so far, which was in January, how much can they have progressed from there? can't be that much can it?

Well I guess I'm not very impressed or scared yet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1006073


Whuth only one succesful launch of a ICBM compared to USA's stockpile of these perfectly working rockets it seems that the USA will have be a grown man fighting a little child.
Right?
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Re: QUESTION: Does NK really have a working ICBM?
Sorry, whuth = with
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Re: QUESTION: Does NK really have a working ICBM?
blame the Chinese.... majority of our products are made in their country... so what we get, the norks get... simple as that... they have the technology
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Re: QUESTION: Does NK really have a working ICBM?
blame the Chinese.... majority of our products are made in their country... so what we get, the norks get... simple as that... they have the technology
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Can you back some of that up with a link or something like that?
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Re: QUESTION: Does NK really have a working ICBM?
One can only hope.
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Re: QUESTION: Does NK really have a working ICBM?
blame the Chinese.... majority of our products are made in their country... so what we get, the norks get... simple as that... they have the technology
 Quoting: jreegs1


Can you back some of that up with a link or something like that?
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Chosun Ilbo
Posted on February 5, 2013 by editor

North Korea internally describes the space rocket it launched in December as a long-range ballistic missile called Hwasong-13, the Asahi Shimbun reported Sunday.


[link to missilethreat.com]
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Re: QUESTION: Does NK really have a working ICBM?
They've launched something in to orbit, so why not a warhead? Maybe they can't bring something back out of space properly. But for an EMP to work over the USA, they would just need it to make it to the atmosphere over the USA, right?

I don't think the question should be can they launch a rocket like the ICBM. I think the question is if can they attach a weapon on to one of their space capable rockets.

I don't even think people need to worry about their rockets. I've been saying since October last year that shit is going down, and I highly doubt that NK will be the ones to fire first.

The US government has already moved a fair share of their equipment to conduct a very high tech, low casualty operation, in to the pacific. They've got that radar ship/rig thing, a few other NAVY ships of the destroying type, no doubt some subs, plus they have ground troops in SK. Not to mention the air force equipment that had Kimmey spitting his rice noodles a few weeks ago.

You don't spend that money and move all that stuff there for nothing, or do you?

Even if they did manage to launch a weapon in to space, or across the Arctic towards USA...CONSPIRACY ALERT...the weapons on the ISS and the weapons in orbit over the planet would definitely shoot it down. Or would they?

I for one look forward to the DOOM to come. Let's just keep the casualties down, eh?
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Re: QUESTION: Does NK really have a working ICBM?
Hwasong-14 MIRV ICBM has a 14,000 km range, with Multiple warheads (MIRV) payload.

Hwasong-13 and Hwasong-14 ICBMs are deployed in deep tunnels of North Hamgyong Mountains at more than 2000 meters high, making them difficult to detect, as the Hwasong-13 is mounted on TELs (big trucks)

The 10,700 km flight distance to Washington DC requires only 30 minutes for the 800 kiloton warheads. The explosion radius is 13 km.

Source
[link to nodong.org]
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MIRV

Multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle

[link to en.wikipedia.org]



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Re: QUESTION: Does NK really have a working ICBM?
Probably, but it would be very inaccurate.
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They have some Dongs
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Re: QUESTION: Does NK really have a working ICBM?
Hwasong-14 MIRV ICBM has a 14,000 km range, with Multiple warheads (MIRV) payload.

Hwasong-13 and Hwasong-14 ICBMs are deployed in deep tunnels of North Hamgyong Mountains at more than 2000 meters high, making them difficult to detect, as the Hwasong-13 is mounted on TELs (big trucks)

The 10,700 km flight distance to Washington DC requires only 30 minutes for the 800 kiloton warheads. The explosion radius is 13 km.

Source
[link to nodong.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15740069


Yeah but it could be shot down with minimal damage, right? No way a rocket is getting to D.C. orrrr....?

tomato
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Re: QUESTION: Does NK really have a working ICBM?
Hwasong-14 MIRV ICBM has a 14,000 km range, with Multiple warheads (MIRV) payload.

Hwasong-13 and Hwasong-14 ICBMs are deployed in deep tunnels of North Hamgyong Mountains at more than 2000 meters high, making them difficult to detect, as the Hwasong-13 is mounted on TELs (big trucks)

The 10,700 km flight distance to Washington DC requires only 30 minutes for the 800 kiloton warheads. The explosion radius is 13 km.

Source
[link to nodong.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15740069


Yeah but it could be shot down with minimal damage, right? No way a rocket is getting to D.C. orrrr....?

tomato
 Quoting: DidlerMajor


yea that's right...they're gonna EMP the US and then fire their rockets so that they cannot be shot down
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Re: QUESTION: Does NK really have a working ICBM?
I was googling the KN-08 missile which is said to be a ICBM but! Most websites I found placed big doubts about the authenticity of this missile and whether it truly is a ICBM. The best argument i found was:

"If real, the KN-08 could be quickly launched from anywhere, easily carrying a heavier satellite into Low Earth Orbit (LEO) than the Unha-2/-3. Therefore, the question arises why the North Koreans would spend so much effort on the Taepodong 2/Unha program, using outdated technology, when they already have a far superior rocket up their sleeves"

Source: [link to lewis.armscontrolwonk.com]

So am I missing something? Or is there really a ICBM? If so can someone post sone good info about it?
 Quoting: S7 1006073


Inter Continental Ballastic Missle.

The rub is in "Continental".

Palin, "I can see Russia from here"...

A V-2 rocket of mid WWII if fired from that extreme west side of Alaska over the Bering Strait and into Russia would be an inter-continential ballastic missle.. just saying.. all though in another classification it might not even qualify as a Intermediat Ranged Ballistic Missle (an IRBM)..

Any nation that can put a 100 pound payload into Low Earth Orbit, will already have the classic IBCM available to them. In that light, Japan for instance has ICBMs so does the ESA. IN that sence India also has ICBMs, Iran has ICBMs, Israel has ICBMs.. Brazil has ICBMs..

The World-Wide MSM (WW-MSM) has in fact severely dumbed down not only Americans but the masses of man kind.

China is getting ready for a Fall Three "Manned" orbital trip to their growing Space Station. There are only two nations at the moment with the capability to put men and women into orbit. the Two "Former Communist" Nations of Russia and China. Go figure.

Its all about the target precisions.. and you can be a mile or two off if your warhead is a Two Megaton Hydrogen Bomb.

Even even ten miles off if the warhead yeild 20MT..

The Missle Gap that started the Space Race was because the USSR had launch a small satellite into orbit.

The Website Space Daily, might be a good place to start answering some of your questions.
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Re: QUESTION: Does NK really have a working ICBM?
Hwasong-14 MIRV ICBM has a 14,000 km range, with Multiple warheads (MIRV) payload.

Hwasong-13 and Hwasong-14 ICBMs are deployed in deep tunnels of North Hamgyong Mountains at more than 2000 meters high, making them difficult to detect, as the Hwasong-13 is mounted on TELs (big trucks)

The 10,700 km flight distance to Washington DC requires only 30 minutes for the 800 kiloton warheads. The explosion radius is 13 km.

Source
[link to nodong.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15740069


Yeah but it could be shot down with minimal damage, right? No way a rocket is getting to D.C. orrrr....?

tomato
 Quoting: DidlerMajor


What is the flight time of an Sub Launced super sonic Mach 3 or more missle 4 miles out from D.C. ? 3 minutes? 5 minutes?..

Hmmm... what really did hit the US Pentagon?
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Re: QUESTION: Does NK really have a working ICBM?
Probably, but it would be very inaccurate.
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You mean aim for Portland and hit Cairo?

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