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COMET C2012/S1 ISON : COMA/TAIL OF OVER 64,400 KM [UPDATE]

 
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So you're saying this thing is bigger than the Earth? Earth's diameter is about 7,900 miles? It should be causing some gravity disturbances by now. Where's our resident astronomer, Astro? I'm sure he'll have something to say.
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ALL IM SAYING IS THAT WHEN MEASURED , [YOU CAN DO IT YOURSELF] WAS BETWEEN 17,000 AND 23,000 KM.. OFFICAL ESTIMATES ARE STILL 5 KM....

AND YES THAT WOULD BE HUGE....

I "DID" C2010/X1 ELENIN SO IM NOT PRONOUNCING DOOM .. BUT..

THE OBSERVATIONS ARE NOT CRYSTAL CLEAR WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF OTHER DATA ...
I GUESS NOW WE WATCH N WAIT.. WITH THIS THREAD .. CAUSE I CAN KEEP IT ON SUBJECT

So you're saying this thing is bigger than the Earth? Earth's diameter is about 7,900 miles? It should be causing some gravity disturbances by now. Where's our resident astronomer, Astro? I'm sure he'll have something to say.
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You arent measuring the nucleus. You are measuring the coma which is anywhere from 10,000 to 1,000,000 times the diameter of the nucleus.
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The Jan. 30 UVOT observations reveal that ISON was shedding about 112,000 pounds (51,000 kg) of dust, or about two-thirds the mass of an unfueled space shuttle, every minute. By contrast, the comet was producing only about 130 pounds (60 kg) of water every minute, or about four times the amount flowing out of a residential sprinkler system.

"The mismatch we detect between the amount of dust and water produced tells us that ISON's water sublimation is not yet powering its jets because the comet is still too far from the sun," Bodewits said. "Other more volatile materials, such as carbon dioxide or carbon monoxide ice, evaporate at greater distances and are now fueling ISON's activity."

While the water and dust production rates are relatively uncertain because of the comet's faintness, they can be used to estimate the size of ISON's icy body. Comparing the amount of gas needed for a normal comet to blow off dust at the rate observed for ISON, the scientists estimate that the nucleus is roughly 3 miles (5 km) across, a typical size for a comet. This assumes that only the fraction of the surface most directly exposed to the sun, about 10 percent of the total, is actively producing jets.



In addition to this, you can clearly see the beginnings of the comet appearance(coma, tail) in the very image that you yourself are taking your measurment from, and NOT that resembling a solid body alone.
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I DON'T MIND FACTS BUT REMEMBER I WILL EDIT, IF IT BECOMES NECESSARY

MORE [BUT OLDER] IMAGES

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It helps to send me a PM. First question for the OP, why the hell are you measuring the image in "millimeters?" Why aren't you astrometrically solving an image of the comet to truly calibrate the image and measure it in terms of arcseconds per pixel? And secondly, what is it that you think you're measuring, the physical nucleus? You're not. [link to books.google.com]
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'The sky will display two suns' Nostradamus prophecy December 2013. Pope Francis will leave Rome during that time . It's obviously a huge comet.
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ALL IM SAYING IS THAT WHEN MEASURED , [YOU CAN DO IT YOURSELF] WAS BETWEEN 17,000 AND 23,000 KM.. OFFICAL ESTIMATES ARE STILL 5 KM....

AND YES THAT WOULD BE HUGE....

I "DID" C2010/X1 ELENIN SO IM NOT PRONOUNCING DOOM .. BUT..

THE OBSERVATIONS ARE NOT CRYSTAL CLEAR WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF OTHER DATA ...
I GUESS NOW WE WATCH N WAIT.. WITH THIS THREAD .. CAUSE I CAN KEEP IT ON SUBJECT

So you're saying this thing is bigger than the Earth? Earth's diameter is about 7,900 miles? It should be causing some gravity disturbances by now. Where's our resident astronomer, Astro? I'm sure he'll have something to say.
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You're not measuring the physical nucleus RPhunter. That's where the 5 km figure comes from. I suggested 20km earlier, guess I was being generous, but the point is the physical nucleus is nowhere near "17,000km" or "23,000km" that WOULD cause massive detectable perturbations of the planets' orbits. You're measuring the expanding cloud of dust around the comet.
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OMG! Look! It's a lens flair!

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ALL IM SAYING IS THAT WHEN MEASURED , [YOU CAN DO IT YOURSELF] WAS BETWEEN 17,000 AND 23,000 KM.. OFFICAL ESTIMATES ARE STILL 5 KM....

AND YES THAT WOULD BE HUGE....

I "DID" C2010/X1 ELENIN SO IM NOT PRONOUNCING DOOM .. BUT..

THE OBSERVATIONS ARE NOT CRYSTAL CLEAR WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF OTHER DATA ...
I GUESS NOW WE WATCH N WAIT.. WITH THIS THREAD .. CAUSE I CAN KEEP IT ON SUBJECT

So you're saying this thing is bigger than the Earth? Earth's diameter is about 7,900 miles? It should be causing some gravity disturbances by now. Where's our resident astronomer, Astro? I'm sure he'll have something to say.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37366511

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You're not measuring the physical nucleus RPhunter. That's where the 5 km figure comes from. I suggested 20km earlier, guess I was being generous, but the point is the physical nucleus is nowhere near "17,000km" or "23,000km" that WOULD cause massive detectable perturbations of the planets' orbits. You're measuring the expanding cloud of dust around the comet.
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Travelling at 11km/sec the last time I checked (please correct me), I dare say any "dust" would have been long gone, unless of course it has demonic claws to latch itself into rock. Ionized gas is the cloud, dr.
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ALL IM SAYING IS THAT WHEN MEASURED , [YOU CAN DO IT YOURSELF] WAS BETWEEN 17,000 AND 23,000 KM.. OFFICAL ESTIMATES ARE STILL 5 KM....

AND YES THAT WOULD BE HUGE....

I "DID" C2010/X1 ELENIN SO IM NOT PRONOUNCING DOOM .. BUT..

THE OBSERVATIONS ARE NOT CRYSTAL CLEAR WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF OTHER DATA ...
I GUESS NOW WE WATCH N WAIT.. WITH THIS THREAD .. CAUSE I CAN KEEP IT ON SUBJECT

So you're saying this thing is bigger than the Earth? Earth's diameter is about 7,900 miles? It should be causing some gravity disturbances by now. Where's our resident astronomer, Astro? I'm sure he'll have something to say.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37366511

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You're not measuring the physical nucleus RPhunter. That's where the 5 km figure comes from. I suggested 20km earlier, guess I was being generous, but the point is the physical nucleus is nowhere near "17,000km" or "23,000km" that WOULD cause massive detectable perturbations of the planets' orbits. You're measuring the expanding cloud of dust around the comet.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Travelling at 11km/sec the last time I checked (please correct me),
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16203219

Relative to what?
I dare say any "dust" would have been long gone, unless of course it has demonic claws to latch itself into rock. Ionized gas is the cloud, dr.
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The dust is constantly leaving the comet. And yes, it's dust, hence all the dust from comet Wild 2 in this piece of aerogel:
[link to www.berkeley.edu]

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I MEASURED IT BECAUSE I CAN DO THAT ..

YOU DIDN'T READ THE THREAD MY DEAR ASTRO.....
I DID ...

IN THE NASA IMAGE LISTED THERE IS A ARCMINUTE SCALE

I MEASURED IT 60 MM PER ARCMINUTE

ISON IF NOT GENERATING SOLAR DRIVEN COMA MEASURED BETWEEN 6 AND 9 MM
OR .1 TO .15 ARC MINUTES THEN I DID THE MATH

Let me page Dr.Astro...

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It helps to send me a PM. First question for the OP, why the hell are you measuring the image in "millimeters?" Why aren't you astrometrically solving an image of the comet to truly calibrate the image and measure it in terms of arcseconds per pixel? And secondly, what is it that you think you're measuring, the physical nucleus? You're not. [link to books.google.com]
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ALL IM SAYING IS THAT WHEN MEASURED , [YOU CAN DO IT YOURSELF] WAS BETWEEN 17,000 AND 23,000 KM.. OFFICAL ESTIMATES ARE STILL 5 KM....

AND YES THAT WOULD BE HUGE....

I "DID" C2010/X1 ELENIN SO IM NOT PRONOUNCING DOOM .. BUT..

THE OBSERVATIONS ARE NOT CRYSTAL CLEAR WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF OTHER DATA ...
I GUESS NOW WE WATCH N WAIT.. WITH THIS THREAD .. CAUSE I CAN KEEP IT ON SUBJECT

So you're saying this thing is bigger than the Earth? Earth's diameter is about 7,900 miles? It should be causing some gravity disturbances by now. Where's our resident astronomer, Astro? I'm sure he'll have something to say.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37366511

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You're not measuring the physical nucleus RPhunter. That's where the 5 km figure comes from. I suggested 20km earlier, guess I was being generous, but the point is the physical nucleus is nowhere near "17,000km" or "23,000km" that WOULD cause massive detectable perturbations of the planets' orbits. You're measuring the expanding cloud of dust around the comet.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Travelling at 11km/sec the last time I checked (please correct me), I dare say any "dust" would have been long gone, unless of course it has demonic claws to latch itself into rock. Ionized gas is the cloud, dr.
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Its both dust AND gas, being steadily released.
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Yes! Both AsstroShill and Shillcyon Dayz are urgently needed on this thread!

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I MEASURED IT BECAUSE I CAN DO THAT ..

YOU DIDN'T READ THE THREAD MY DEAR ASTRO.....
I DID ...

IN THE NASA IMAGE LISTED THERE IS A ARCMINUTE SCALE

I MEASURED IT 60 MM PER ARCMINUTE
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Again, why are you measuring it in "MM?" You should first determine how many arcseconds (or arcminutes) per pixel and then measure based on that for accuracy.

Yes, I read your thread, your methodology is questionable.
ISON IF NOT GENERATING SOLAR DRIVEN COMA MEASURED BETWEEN 6 AND 9 MM
OR .1 TO .15 ARC MINUTES THEN I DID THE MATH
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I'm sorry I'm having trouble parsing your english there.
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I MEASURED IT BECAUSE I CAN DO THAT ..

YOU DIDN'T READ THE THREAD MY DEAR ASTRO.....
I DID ...

IN THE NASA IMAGE LISTED THERE IS A ARCMINUTE SCALE

I MEASURED IT 60 MM PER ARCMINUTE

ISON IF NOT GENERATING SOLAR DRIVEN COMA MEASURED BETWEEN 6 AND 9 MM
OR .1 TO .15 ARC MINUTES THEN I DID THE MATH

Let me page Dr.Astro...

agent
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It helps to send me a PM. First question for the OP, why the hell are you measuring the image in "millimeters?" Why aren't you astrometrically solving an image of the comet to truly calibrate the image and measure it in terms of arcseconds per pixel? And secondly, what is it that you think you're measuring, the physical nucleus? You're not. [link to books.google.com]
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This could evolve in an interesting discussion...
popcorn
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I LOOKED AT THE LINK .. EXCELLENT BOOK LINK .. BUT I DONT HAVE THE PROCESSING CAPABILITY TO PREFORM A LARSON-SEKANINA FILTER .. DO YOU?

I MEASURED IT BECAUSE I CAN DO THAT ..

YOU DIDN'T READ THE THREAD MY DEAR ASTRO.....
I DID ...

IN THE NASA IMAGE LISTED THERE IS A ARCMINUTE SCALE

I MEASURED IT 60 MM PER ARCMINUTE

ISON IF NOT GENERATING SOLAR DRIVEN COMA MEASURED BETWEEN 6 AND 9 MM
OR .1 TO .15 ARC MINUTES THEN I DID THE MATH

Let me page Dr.Astro...

agent
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It helps to send me a PM. First question for the OP, why the hell are you measuring the image in "millimeters?" Why aren't you astrometrically solving an image of the comet to truly calibrate the image and measure it in terms of arcseconds per pixel? And secondly, what is it that you think you're measuring, the physical nucleus? You're not. [link to books.google.com]
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I LOOKED AT THE LINK .. EXCELLENT BOOK LINK .. BUT I DONT HAVE THE PROCESSING CAPABILITY TO PREFORM A LARSON-SEKANINA FILTER .. DO YOU?

I MEASURED IT BECAUSE I CAN DO THAT ..

YOU DIDN'T READ THE THREAD MY DEAR ASTRO.....
I DID ...

IN THE NASA IMAGE LISTED THERE IS A ARCMINUTE SCALE

I MEASURED IT 60 MM PER ARCMINUTE

ISON IF NOT GENERATING SOLAR DRIVEN COMA MEASURED BETWEEN 6 AND 9 MM
OR .1 TO .15 ARC MINUTES THEN I DID THE MATH

Let me page Dr.Astro...

agent
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It helps to send me a PM. First question for the OP, why the hell are you measuring the image in "millimeters?" Why aren't you astrometrically solving an image of the comet to truly calibrate the image and measure it in terms of arcseconds per pixel? And secondly, what is it that you think you're measuring, the physical nucleus? You're not. [link to books.google.com]
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

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Then again, it may not...
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IRIS FREEWARE LINK BY THE WAY
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I LOOKED AT THE LINK .. EXCELLENT BOOK LINK .. BUT I DONT HAVE THE PROCESSING CAPABILITY TO PREFORM A LARSON-SEKANINA FILTER .. DO YOU?
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Not necessarily Larson-Sekanina specifically, but I do have the ability to process cometary images with a rotational gradient filter using IRIS. Not sure what algorithm it uses, but it is quite effective if used properly.
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Only question is why is doctor astro taking so much care about
figthing every comet ison is nibobo thread?
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Bump for truth
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Only question is why is doctor astro taking so much care about
figthing every comet ison is nibobo thread?
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Why do you care that I care?
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Only question is why is doctor astro taking so much care about
figthing every comet ison is nibobo thread?
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Why do you care that I care?
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he cares because he likes truth and also likes to help us to be better informed. You, a passion and lo e to do something for the human race, once well understood its a blessing to do.
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Let me page Dr.Astro...

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Yes! Both AsstroShill and Shillcyon Dayz are urgently needed on this thread!

1rof1
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TO PREVENT PEOPLE WHO ARE CHALLENGED AT REASON AND LOGIC FROM PANICKING ... I WANT TO MAKE THIS CLEAR IF I MEASURED THE COMA [ACCURATELY I MIGHT ADD] ILL SAY SO WHEN I SEE PROOF.

FROM THIS ANGLE WE CAN'T "SEE" THE TAIL FOR SOME TIME YET
SO WHAT ASTRO'S LINKS SUGGEST IS TO FILTER THE HEAD ON SHOT FOR ROTATION , AND SEE IT IT SHOWS THE COMA IN RELATION TO THE NUCLEUS ...
NASA MADE AN ESTIMATE .. I MEASURED IT .. WE AR STILL EXPLORING FACTS AT THIS TIME

Only question is why is doctor astro taking so much care about
figthing every comet ison is nibobo thread?
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Last Edited by rphunter on 04/03/2013 11:43 AM
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Only question is why is doctor astro taking so much care about
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he cares because he likes truth and also likes to help us to be better informed. You know, a passion and love or urge to do something for the human race, once well understood its a blessing to being able to do.
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Only question is why is doctor astro taking so much care about
figthing every comet ison is nibobo thread?
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Why do you care that I care?
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i care if you care because if you care it must be something to take care of for bad,
you know shilling work, the plot thickens...

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