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Why have we not returned humans to deeper space or to the moon since 1972? POLL . . .

 
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POLL: Why have we not returned humans to deep space or to the moon since 1972?

4) There is a secret space program . . . and we have already done so? 34.5% (19)
3) We were warned or told not to return . . . ? 25.5% (14)
5) Good question but there is no satisfactory answer . . . ? 7.3% (4)
12) There is no reason for man to ever venture into deep space . . 7.3% (4)
1) It is too expensive . . .? 5.5% (3)
2) It is too dangerous . . .? 5.5% (3)
11) Other . . . please post your response . . . 5.5% (3)
6) I don't have the slightest idea . . .? 3.6% (2)
8) There is no compelling scientific reason to do so . . . 1.8% (1)
9) Number one, number two, and eight above . . . 1.8% (1)
10) Unmammed missions are simply more efficient . . . 1.8% (1)
7) It is none of our business . . .? 0% (0)
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Re: Why have we not returned humans to deeper space or to the moon since 1972? POLL . . .
What is "Deep space" in this context?

Is there another target at the same or lesser energy distance as the Moon that you have in mind?

Because Apollo didn't have a bunch of other places it could go. It was built to go to the Moon. It did. The next worthwhile targets are Mars, and Earth-crossing asteriods, and in terms of Apollo hardware you are talking 20-30 Saturn V launches, minimum, for either of those targets. It isn't exactly, "Hey, we have a spacecraft already, let's just take a run out to Alpha Centauri!"
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Deep space = beyond High Earth Orbit ~ 22,000 miles . . . coffee4
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The point is not whether it can be defined.

The point is whether it belongs in the question.

I say it doesn't. I say you are merely baiting. Adding "Or anywhere else!!!!" is a transparent attempt to make the Apollo missions seem even more unusual than they were.

There isn't anywhere else. There isn't any comparable mission possible. There is no point in going into "deep space" until you are able to go somewhere useful. Like Mars, for instance.

Your question is, stripped of this framing, "Why haven't we repeated the Apollo landings a seventeenth or eighteenth time?"
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Re: Why have we not returned humans to deeper space or to the moon since 1972? POLL . . .
What is "Deep space" in this context?

Is there another target at the same or lesser energy distance as the Moon that you have in mind?

Because Apollo didn't have a bunch of other places it could go. It was built to go to the Moon. It did. The next worthwhile targets are Mars, and Earth-crossing asteriods, and in terms of Apollo hardware you are talking 20-30 Saturn V launches, minimum, for either of those targets. It isn't exactly, "Hey, we have a spacecraft already, let's just take a run out to Alpha Centauri!"
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Deep space = beyond High Earth Orbit ~ 22,000 miles . . . coffee4
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The point is not whether it can be defined.

The point is whether it belongs in the question.

I say it doesn't. I say you are merely baiting. Adding "Or anywhere else!!!!" is a transparent attempt to make the Apollo missions seem even more unusual than they were.

There isn't anywhere else. There isn't any comparable mission possible. There is no point in going into "deep space" until you are able to go somewhere useful. Like Mars, for instance.

Your question is, stripped of this framing, "Why haven't we repeated the Apollo landings a seventeenth or eighteenth time?"
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Seems to me an asteroid or comet mission . . . a shake down mission to survey the moon in prep for a Mars mission . . . I am sure there may be others . . . what is your issue with the POLL? I personally don't have an answer for the lack of a mission back to the moon . . . hiding2

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Re: Why have we not returned humans to deeper space or to the moon since 1972? POLL . . .
For the millionth time, we never went there in the first place!
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Re: Why have we not returned humans to deeper space or to the moon since 1972? POLL . . .
For the millionth time, we never went there in the first place!
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Thanks for your participation. . . coffee4


POLL: Why have we not returned humans to deep space or to the moon since 1972?

3) We were warned or told not to return . . . ?   30.1% (22)
4) There is a secret space program . . . and we have already done so?   30.1% (22)
11) Other . . . please post your response . . .    9.6% (7)
5) Good question but there is no satisfactory answer . . . ?   6.8% (5)
1) It is too expensive  . . .?   5.5% (4)
12) There is no reason for man to ever venture into deep space . .   5.5% (4)
2) It is too dangerous . . .?   4.1% (3)
6) I don't have the slightest idea . . .?   2.7% (2)
8) There is no compelling scientific reason to do so . . .   2.7% (2)
9) Number one, number two, and eight above . . .   1.4% (1)
10) Unmammed missions are simply more efficient . . .   1.4% (1)
7) It is none of our business . . .?   0% (0)
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JFK did it in the name of the people. When the jews blasted him the corporations usurped the space program and it quickly became none of your business.
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JFK did it in the name of the people. When the jews blasted him the corporations usurped the space program and it quickly became none of your business.
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We never went there in the first place.
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We never went there in the first place.
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Re: Why have we not returned humans to deeper space or to the moon since 1972? POLL . . .
they use portals ...old space travel methods are obsolete
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they use portals ...old space travel methods are obsolete
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Interesting theory . . . EVIDENCE?scheming
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Re: Why have we not returned humans to deeper space or to the moon since 1972? POLL . . .
Why?

Outer Space Treaty of 1967

Forbids any kind of profit on discoveries and/or processes developed there. (Article 2...no property rights)

Why take the risk? You cannot have a reward.

DOES THIS ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, ASSWIPE? SINCE YOU FUCKING REPOSTED YOURSELF XX TIMES

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Why?

Outer Space Treaty of 1967

Forbids any kind of profit on discoveries and/or processes developed there. (Article 2...no property rights)

Why take the risk? You cannot have a reward.

DOES THIS ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, ASSWIPE? SINCE YOU FUCKING REPOSTED YOURSELF XX TIMES
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Hmmmmm . . . That means the Treaty was in effect before the first lunar landing in 1969 . . . with your logic . . . why did they do it the first time? grinning

This is a POLL my friend . . . the only way it stays on the first page is to keep Posting . . . votes do not keep the THREAD alive . . . grinning

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Thanks for your votes . . . dasbier


POLL: Why have we not returned humans to deep space or to the moon since 1972?

4) There is a secret space program . . . and we have already done so?   29.8% (31)
3) We were warned or told not to return . . . ?   27.9% (29)
11) Other . . . please post your response . . .    10.6% (11)
5) Good question but there is no satisfactory answer . . . ?   7.7% (8)
1) It is too expensive  . . .?   4.8% (5)
2) It is too dangerous . . .?   4.8% (5)
12) There is no reason for man to ever venture into deep space . .   3.8% (4)
6) I don't have the slightest idea . . .?   2.9% (3)
9) Number one, number two, and eight above . . .   2.9% (3)
10) Unmammed missions are simply more efficient . . .   2.9% (3)
8) There is no compelling scientific reason to do so . . .   1.9% (2)
7) It is none of our business . . .?   0% (0)
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Too expensive and no reason to go.
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Too expensive and no reason to go.
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Why then did we go in the first place?huffy
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Re: Why have we not returned humans to deeper space or to the moon since 1972? POLL . . .
This poll will not be accurate because one of the best answers is not listed;

"We were never there in the first place."

There is an answer for posting your own response, but there are way more people that are going to vote than there are going to post.

This has skewed the results, as it would be quite telling to see how many people would vote for that particular answer.

I myself was looking for that answer on the poll, and was shocked to find it missing. Even though I am unsure of the matter, I find that most of the theory and evidence for the case is quite compelling.
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Re: Why have we not returned humans to deeper space or to the moon since 1972? POLL . . .
This poll will not be accurate because one of the best answers is not listed;

"We were never there in the first place."

There is an answer for posting your own response, but there are way more people that are going to vote than there are going to post.

This has skewed the results, as it would be quite telling to see how many people would vote for that particular answer.

I myself was looking for that answer on the poll, and was shocked to find it missing. Even though I am unsure of the matter, I find that most of the theory and evidence for the case is quite compelling.
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Hmmmm . . . you could be right . . . However, even those that think we did not go to the Moon in 1969 could still speculate on why we wouldn't try to appear as though we would want to return and why . . . coffee4
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Re: Why have we not returned humans to deeper space or to the moon since 1972? POLL . . .
Seems to me an asteroid or comet mission . . . a slake down mission to survey the moon in prep for a Mars mission . . . I am sure there may be others . . . what is your issue with the POLL? I personally don't have an answer for the lack of a mission back to the moon . . . hiding2
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There actually was a Earth-crossing asteroid mission considered as part of the Apollo Applications Program (aka, the program of continued and expanded uses for the Apollo hardware, which were axed along with the final missions of the planned Apollo series -- all except for Skylab, which didn't get full funding and crashed early as a result).

That's the mission I was alluding to; I read about it recently. The estimate was, to get astronauts to this convenient asteroid with a roundtrip of about a YEAR it would take a dozen Saturn V launches. Or, when the Shuttle came into the picture, the next twenty shuttle launches would carry nothing but the fuel for the asteroid mission.

The Moon is CLOSE, celestially speaking (and energy-wise as well). Other targets are vastly more energy-expensive to get to, and require trips of sufficient length to need habitability (low-gravity medical implications, recycling, radiation protection, etc.) that have yet to be developed.

It's sort of like climbing your first fully-bolted sports route, then considering K2. Its a whole different game. Brutally, there was a lot of stuff we got away with on Apollo that we can't get away with on longer missions.
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Hmmmm . . . you could be right . . . However, even those that think we did not go to the Moon in 1969 could still speculate on why we wouldn't try to appear as though we would want to return and why . . . coffee4
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Indeed, that is possible. However I chose this answer

5) Good question but there is no satisfactory answer . . . ?

because I was not going to write a post about it being faked, since as previously stated, I am unsure.

I still would have picked the 'fake landing' answer over anything else had it been in the list, and would have liked to have seen the results of such a poll.

Yet, it is what it is. I'll go ahead and say

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