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Why have we not returned humans to deeper space or to the moon since 1972? POLL . . .

 
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Hmmmm . . . you could be right . . . However, even those that think we did not go to the Moon in 1969 could still speculate on why we wouldn't try to appear as though we would want to return and why . . . coffee4
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Indeed, that is possible. However I chose this answer

5) Good question but there is no satisfactory answer . . . ?

because I was not going to write a post about it being faked, since as previously stated, I am unsure.

I still would have picked the 'fake landing' answer over anything else had it been in the list, and would have liked to have seen the results of such a poll.

Yet, it is what it is. I'll go ahead and say

:5stars:

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Agreed. Why not just say 'fake' as an answer, duhr..
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Re: Why have we not returned humans to deeper space or to the moon since 1972? POLL . . .
I think society lacks the will, the drive, and the cohesion to do it again.
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You said it better than I could.
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wouldn't you need a vote to decide if everyone wanted a new moon mission and if so , did such a vote take place in 1960's america .
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NASA's budget needs to be approved by Congress, so yes.
They started gutting the programme as soon as the primary goal was accomplished.
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Too expensive and no reason to go.
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Why then did we go in the first place?huffy
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Re: Why have we not returned humans to deeper space or to the moon since 1972? POLL . . .
Seems to me an asteroid or comet mission . . .a shake down mission to survey the moon in prep for a Mars mission . . . I am sure there may be others . . . what is your issue with the POLL? I personally don't have an answer for the lack of a mission back to the moon . . . hiding2
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There actually was a Earth-crossing asteroid mission considered as part of the Apollo Applications Program (aka, the program of continued and expanded uses for the Apollo hardware, which were axed along with the final missions of the planned Apollo series -- all except for Skylab, which didn't get full funding and crashed early as a result).

That's the mission I was alluding to; I read about it recently. The estimate was, to get astronauts to this convenient asteroid with a roundtrip of about a YEAR it would take a dozen Saturn V launches. Or, when the Shuttle came into the picture, the next twenty shuttle launches would carry nothing but the fuel for the asteroid mission.

The Moon is CLOSE, celestially speaking (and energy-wise as well). Other targets are vastly more energy-expensive to get to, and require trips of sufficient length to need habitability (low-gravity medical implications, recycling, radiation protection, etc.) that have yet to be developed.

It's sort of like climbing your first fully-bolted sports route, then considering K2. Its a whole different game. Brutally, there was a lot of stuff we got away with on Apollo that we can't get away with on longer missions.
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Good comments regarding the almost exponential increase in the effort and resources needed for longer and longer missions; however, many of us cannot believe there were no further useful missions to the moon . . . we are suppose to believe the first lunar missions were more about ego than science?coffee4

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Re: Why have we not returned humans to deeper space or to the moon since 1972? POLL . . .
I think society lacks the will, the drive, and the cohesion to do it again.
 Quoting: beeches

You said it better than I could.
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wouldn't you need a vote to decide if everyone wanted a new moon mission and if so , did such a vote take place in 1960's america .
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NASA's budget needs to be approved by Congress, so yes.
They started gutting the programme as soon as the primary goal was accomplished.
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Too expensive and no reason to go.
 Quoting: #Geomagnetic_Storm#

Why then did we go in the first place?huffy
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"Have you seen anything bigger than this?" - LBJ (not talking about rockets)
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Seems we can spend Billions and Trillions on next to nothing but crumbs on something to unite and excite an entire nation and humanity. . . peace
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Re: Why have we not returned humans to deeper space or to the moon since 1972? POLL . . .
Thanks for your votes!!!!moshpit


POLL: Why have we not returned humans to deep space or to the moon since 1972?

4) There is a secret space program . . . and we have already done so?   31.8% (42)
3) We were warned or told not to return . . . ?   26.5% (35)
11) Other . . . please post your response . . .    8.3% (11)
5) Good question but there is no satisfactory answer . . . ?   7.6% (10)
2) It is too dangerous . . .?   5.3% (7)
1) It is too expensive  . . .?   4.5% (6)
10) Unmammed missions are simply more efficient . . .   4.5% (6)
6) I don't have the slightest idea . . .?   3.0% (4)
9) Number one, number two, and eight above . . .   3.0% (4)
12) There is no reason for man to ever venture into deep space . .   3.0% (4)
8) There is no compelling scientific reason to do so . . .   2.3% (3)
7) It is none of our business . . .?   0% (0)
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Re: Why have we not returned humans to deeper space or to the moon since 1972? POLL . . .
Hmmmm . . . you could be right . . . However, even those that think we did not go to the Moon in 1969 could still speculate on why we wouldn't try to appear as though we would want to return and why . . . coffee4
 Quoting: George B


Indeed, that is possible. However I chose this answer

5) Good question but there is no satisfactory answer . . . ?

because I was not going to write a post about it being faked, since as previously stated, I am unsure.

I still would have picked the 'fake landing' answer over anything else had it been in the list, and would have liked to have seen the results of such a poll.

Yet, it is what it is. I'll go ahead and say

5stars

for effort.
 Quoting: I am he that is I


Thanks! As the space program has evolved and wound down over the decades I think the public has gone from awe to frustration. . . from wonder to disbelief . . . from trust and idealism to distrust and criticism. . . .huffy

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Re: Why have we not returned humans to deeper space or to the moon since 1972? POLL . . .
Too expensive and no reason to go.
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No reason? That's what you say, but it's not true.
Thread: So...mercury, gold, silver, uranium, argon-40, helium-4, oxygen, methane, nitrogen, carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide on the Moon, but no life?

[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

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Re: Why have we not returned humans to deeper space or to the moon since 1972? POLL . . .
yes we did, the moon rocks ate them....
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Re: Why have we not returned humans to deeper space or to the moon since 1972? POLL . . .
yes we did, the moon rocks ate them....
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Carnivorous rocks!!!!!!!
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Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

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Re: Why have we not returned humans to deeper space or to the moon since 1972? POLL . . .
Too expensive and no reason to go.
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No reason? That's what you say, but it's not true.
Thread: So...mercury, gold, silver, uranium, argon-40, helium-4, oxygen, methane, nitrogen, carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide on the Moon, but no life?

[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
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So economics should or should not explain the lack of manned missions to the moon?
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Re: Why have we not returned humans to deeper space or to the moon since 1972? POLL . . .
Too expensive and no reason to go.
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No reason? That's what you say, but it's not true.
Thread: So...mercury, gold, silver, uranium, argon-40, helium-4, oxygen, methane, nitrogen, carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide on the Moon, but no life?

[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
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So economics should or should not explain the lack of manned missions to the moon?
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Well, if you consider a base on Mars, it's pretty weird to not do the same on the Moon, which is closer.
[link to mars-one.com]
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Re: Why have we not returned humans to deeper space or to the moon since 1972? POLL . . .
Distracted by the Space Shuttle program and the International Space Station, the most expensive construction project in human history. Remarkable achievements, but it's time to move on to bigger and better things!
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Too expensive and no reason to go.
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No reason? That's what you say, but it's not true.
Thread: So...mercury, gold, silver, uranium, argon-40, helium-4, oxygen, methane, nitrogen, carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide on the Moon, but no life?

[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
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So economics should or should not explain the lack of manned missions to the moon?
 Quoting: George B


Well, if you consider a base on Mars, it's pretty weird to not do the same on the Moon, which is closer.
[link to mars-one.com]
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A most interesting point. . . .why do you think that is?ohno
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Re: Why have we not returned humans to deeper space or to the moon since 1972? POLL . . .
Theres something called the Van Allen Radiation Belt.

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Re: Why have we not returned humans to deeper space or to the moon since 1972? POLL . . .
Distracted by the Space Shuttle program and the International Space Station, the most expensive construction project in human history. Remarkable achievements, but it's time to move on to bigger and better things!
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So you feel the shuttle and space station project just sucked up all the cash and energy from further manned exploration of the moon . . .? It is that simple?coffee4
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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So economics should or should not explain the lack of manned missions to the moon?
 Quoting: George B


Well, if you consider a base on Mars, it's pretty weird to not do the same on the Moon, which is closer.
[link to mars-one.com]
 Quoting: zvezda 1


A most interesting point. . . .why do you think that is?ohno
 Quoting: George B


Not sure. Many reasons probably.Like this one:
"Mission Control: What's there ? Mission Control calling Apollo 11.
Apollo 11: These babies are huge, sir ... enormous....Oh, God, you wouldn't believe it! I'm telling you there are other space craft out there... lined up on the far side of the crater edge... they're on the moon watching us."
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Re: Why have we not returned humans to deeper space or to the moon since 1972? POLL . . .
Theres something called the Van Allen Radiation Belt.

agent He knows too much, get him!
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That has been discussed as the reason by several persons . . . It is too dangerous to human life. . .. . Is there any way to prove it one way or another? . . .peace
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So economics should or should not explain the lack of manned missions to the moon?
 Quoting: George B


Well, if you consider a base on Mars, it's pretty weird to not do the same on the Moon, which is closer.
[link to mars-one.com]
 Quoting: zvezda 1


A most interesting point. . . .why do you think that is?ohno
 Quoting: George B


Not sure. Many reasons probably.Like this one:
"Mission Control: What's there ? Mission Control calling Apollo 11.
Apollo 11: These babies are huge, sir ... enormous....Oh, God, you wouldn't believe it! I'm telling you there are other space craft out there... lined up on the far side of the crater edge... they're on the moon watching us."
 Quoting: zvezda 1


What is the source of this quote?coffee4
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You missed an option that says 'we've never been there it was fake'
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You missed an option that says 'we've never been there it was fake'
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Yes, but if that is true . . . Then why did we fake it in the first place?? . . peace
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Re: Why have we not returned humans to deeper space or to the moon since 1972? POLL . . .
Distracted by the Space Shuttle program and the International Space Station, the most expensive construction project in human history. Remarkable achievements, but it's time to move on to bigger and better things!
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So you feel the shuttle and space station project just sucked up all the cash and energy from further manned exploration of the moon . . .? It is that simple?coffee4
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Yeah, they will both go down as somewhat of a debacle. The ISS cost well over $100 billion, not including the cost of dozens of Shuttle flights to build it, at a cost of around $500 million per launch. Eventually, the main purpose of the Shuttle became building the ISS. They fed off each other. And the science that was gained on the ISS for the cost, was famously little. A space shuttle was a necessary step towards exploring the solar system, and so was the ISS, but not the giant leap like the Apollo program.
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Distracted by the Space Shuttle program and the International Space Station, the most expensive construction project in human history. Remarkable achievements, but it's time to move on to bigger and better things!
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So you feel the shuttle and space station project just sucked up all the cash and energy from further manned exploration of the moon . . .? It is that simple?coffee4
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Yeah, they will both go down as somewhat of a debacle. The ISS cost well over $100 billion, not including the cost of dozens of Shuttle flights to build it, at a cost of around $500 million per launch. Eventually, the main purpose of the Shuttle became building the ISS. They fed off each other. And the science that was gained on the ISS for the cost, was famously little. A space shuttle was a necessary step towards exploring the solar system, and so was the ISS, but not the giant leap like the Apollo program.
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So it is not curious to you we never returned to the moon with a manned mission in over 40 years but are planning to go to Mars?coffee4
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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I have no idea. I hear so many different takes on this, that I can't figure out what is real and what is BS.
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Re: Why have we not returned humans to deeper space or to the moon since 1972? POLL . . .
Distracted by the Space Shuttle program and the International Space Station, the most expensive construction project in human history. Remarkable achievements, but it's time to move on to bigger and better things!
 Quoting: hatch battener 36714436


So you feel the shuttle and space station project just sucked up all the cash and energy from further manned exploration of the moon . . .? It is that simple?coffee4
 Quoting: George B

Yeah, they will both go down as somewhat of a debacle. The ISS cost well over $100 billion, not including the cost of dozens of Shuttle flights to build it, at a cost of around $500 million per launch. Eventually, the main purpose of the Shuttle became building the ISS. They fed off each other. And the science that was gained on the ISS for the cost, was famously little. A space shuttle was a necessary step towards exploring the solar system, and so was the ISS, but not the giant leap like the Apollo program.
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So it is not curious to you we never returned to the moon with a manned mission in over 40 years but are planning to go to Mars?coffee4
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Not just go, but stay there.
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I have no idea. I hear so many different takes on this, that I can't figure out what is real and what is BS.
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Join the club!!!!!ohno
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So you feel the shuttle and space station project just sucked up all the cash and energy from further manned exploration of the moon . . .? It is that simple?coffee4
 Quoting: George B

Yeah, they will both go down as somewhat of a debacle. The ISS cost well over $100 billion, not including the cost of dozens of Shuttle flights to build it, at a cost of around $500 million per launch. Eventually, the main purpose of the Shuttle became building the ISS. They fed off each other. And the science that was gained on the ISS for the cost, was famously little. A space shuttle was a necessary step towards exploring the solar system, and so was the ISS, but not the giant leap like the Apollo program.
 Quoting: hatch battener 36714436


So it is not curious to you we never returned to the moon with a manned mission in over 40 years but are planning to go to Mars?coffee4
 Quoting: George B


Not just go, but stay there.
 Quoting: zvezda 1


Mars or the Moon? . . .
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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A thing isn't going to happen that can't happen profitably.
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A thing isn't going to happen that can't happen profitably.
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So says the Ferengi.
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A thing isn't going to happen that can't happen profitably.
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Then how did we go to the moon in the first place. . . . It hardly paid for itself . . . coffee4
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