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"Shutter Island" and "Inception"

 
Azeratel Axo

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It is not HE who has forgotten HER... it is all of YOU.
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Re: "Shutter Island" and "Inception"
I have seen Shutter Island, but not Inception.

I can see parallels along the lines you put forth.

In keeping with that line, I ask then, how do you fit the other force in the movie that is fully aware of his pain, and exploits it to manipulate the male character?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17006327


Although now that I really think about it, in Shutter Island what he percieved as sinister forces ended up being people trying to help him "wake up" so to speak. Maybe WE are Leonardo DiCaprio's character, and the doctors etc are Christos/The Source trying to free us?
 Quoting: theorigionalzombiekiller


Dude, you've got Shutter Island all wrong. SHutter island was about MK ultra and project paperclip. The doctors weren't trying to help free him, quite teh opposite. Damn son, might want to take another look.
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^This! They were trying to brainwash him, control his mind, memories.
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This is cool shit dude.

I never looked at THOSE movies like that.

hmm

I'll need to ponder that....
 Quoting: Azeratel Axo


Read the book (Shutter Island, at least). The ending was really really disjointed.
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This is cool shit dude.

I never looked at THOSE movies like that.

hmm

I'll need to ponder that....
 Quoting: Azeratel Axo


Read the book (Shutter Island, at least). The ending was really really disjointed.
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Thanks.

I never knew there was a book!
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Re: "Shutter Island" and "Inception"
there is indeed a strong correlation! interesting the same actor plays in both...
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Thoughts?
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Yes, both movies SUCKS!

fuckyou
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Ok, thanks for explaining that.
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It is not HE who has forgotten HER... it is all of YOU.
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Mother Earth
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Lol, "End of Evangelion" blew me and my friends fucking minds back when we first saw it. Years later, I have more context for understanding its Kabbalistic and Gnostic themes.
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Remember how Shutter Island ended and try not to be part of that category.
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You should watch Memento again with this understanding. Since you are "seeing", all movies, stories, art will be a revelation.
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You should watch Memento again with this understanding. Since you are "seeing", all movies, stories, art will be a revelation.
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Will do.
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Re: "Shutter Island" and "Inception"
I have seen Shutter Island, but not Inception.

I can see parallels along the lines you put forth.

In keeping with that line, I ask then, how do you fit the other force in the movie that is fully aware of his pain, and exploits it to manipulate the male character?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17006327


Although now that I really think about it, in Shutter Island what he percieved as sinister forces ended up being people trying to help him "wake up" so to speak. Maybe WE are Leonardo DiCaprio's character, and the doctors etc are Christos/The Source trying to free us?
 Quoting: theorigionalzombiekiller


Dude, you've got Shutter Island all wrong. SHutter island was about MK ultra and project paperclip. The doctors weren't trying to help free him, quite teh opposite. Damn son, might want to take another look.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5940759


One thing though, even though MK-Ultra etc. is absolutly a thing, I get the impression it is mostly used as a means to an end. It is a tool for TPTB, one of many, but not the reason they exist, nor does it represent their goals.

Sometimes it is too easy to just chalk this stuff up to "Oh, there is the butterfly, so MIND CONTROL" and stop there. This is one reason I don't give VC much credit anymore, because his interpretation usually stops at just that point.

There are deep esoteric motivations behind TPTB and what they present to us, and not all of it even represents the same uniform agenda.
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I think it's clear that the guys delusions in Shutter Island were very real. The ending of the film with their so neatly wrapping it up should make it obvious. It's got a "move along, nothing to see here" kinda vibe.

At the same time though, why wouldn't they have just shot him?

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I have seen Shutter Island, but not Inception.

I can see parallels along the lines you put forth.

In keeping with that line, I ask then, how do you fit the other force in the movie that is fully aware of his pain, and exploits it to manipulate the male character?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17006327


Although now that I really think about it, in Shutter Island what he percieved as sinister forces ended up being people trying to help him "wake up" so to speak. Maybe WE are Leonardo DiCaprio's character, and the doctors etc are Christos/The Source trying to free us?
 Quoting: theorigionalzombiekiller


Dude, you've got Shutter Island all wrong. SHutter island was about MK ultra and project paperclip. The doctors weren't trying to help free him, quite teh opposite. Damn son, might want to take another look.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5940759


One thing though, even though MK-Ultra etc. is absolutly a thing, I get the impression it is mostly used as a means to an end. It is a tool for TPTB, one of many, but not the reason they exist, nor does it represent their goals.

Sometimes it is too easy to just chalk this stuff up to "Oh, there is the butterfly, so MIND CONTROL" and stop there. This is one reason I don't give VC much credit anymore, because his interpretation usually stops at just that point.

There are deep esoteric motivations behind TPTB and what they present to us, and not all of it even represents the same uniform agenda.
 Quoting: theorigionalzombiekiller


Dude, I am so with you. If I hear one more thing about fkn butterflies I'm gonna fkn puke. At this point I'm pretty well convinced that the Illuminati is a staged distraction and all that VC shit a ploy to prop up the pop music industry and get people watching music vids again.
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You should watch Memento again with this understanding. Since you are "seeing", all movies, stories, art will be a revelation.
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Oh, yes. Art absolutely can be a revelation...

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[link to deoxy.org]

I'm starting to make a connection between the concept of the Aeonic creator twin's(Christos and Sophia) seperation and grief, and the fractured/suffering mind of the male twin, and movies like Shutter Island or Inception.

Both have a male character who became somehow seperated from his female counterpart, and has children who have suffered/died because of this. In Shutter Island, he ultimatly chooses not to remember who he really is because the pain is too much to bear, and in Inception he is "cured", but might actually have just fallen into another level of his mind.

Are stories such as this retellings of the grand cosmic tragedy we have all been witness to?
 Quoting: theorigionalzombiekiller


But is it a cosmic tragedy or cosmic joke?
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It is not a question... The movie was about mk ultra and paper clip, research project paper clip (which took place right after ww2, then watch again, it couldn't be more obvious. )Stop being amateurs, your on glp for god sake. The symbolism is all there. The doctor has a statue with satanic horns on his desk in the film, not to mention the pentagram and baphomet symbols in the ward scene... Seriously, it's not even a question... Rematch guys.
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Although now that I really think about it, in Shutter Island what he percieved as sinister forces ended up being people trying to help him "wake up" so to speak. Maybe WE are Leonardo DiCaprio's character, and the doctors etc are Christos/The Source trying to free us?
 Quoting: theorigionalzombiekiller


Dude, you've got Shutter Island all wrong. SHutter island was about MK ultra and project paperclip. The doctors weren't trying to help free him, quite teh opposite. Damn son, might want to take another look.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5940759


One thing though, even though MK-Ultra etc. is absolutly a thing, I get the impression it is mostly used as a means to an end. It is a tool for TPTB, one of many, but not the reason they exist, nor does it represent their goals.

Sometimes it is too easy to just chalk this stuff up to "Oh, there is the butterfly, so MIND CONTROL" and stop there. This is one reason I don't give VC much credit anymore, because his interpretation usually stops at just that point.

There are deep esoteric motivations behind TPTB and what they present to us, and not all of it even represents the same uniform agenda.
 Quoting: theorigionalzombiekiller


Dude, I am so with you. If I hear one more thing about fkn butterflies I'm gonna fkn puke. At this point I'm pretty well convinced that the Illuminati is a staged distraction and all that VC shit a ploy to prop up the pop music industry and get people watching music vids again.
 Quoting: LostInForever


And you sir are an idiot, either an idiot or extremely misinformed/ naive...
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I have seen Shutter Island, but not Inception.

I can see parallels along the lines you put forth.

In keeping with that line, I ask then, how do you fit the other force in the movie that is fully aware of his pain, and exploits it to manipulate the male character?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17006327


Although now that I really think about it, in Shutter Island what he percieved as sinister forces ended up being people trying to help him "wake up" so to speak. Maybe WE are Leonardo DiCaprio's character, and the doctors etc are Christos/The Source trying to free us?
 Quoting: theorigionalzombiekiller


Dude, you've got Shutter Island all wrong. SHutter island was about MK ultra and project paperclip. The doctors weren't trying to help free him, quite teh opposite. Damn son, might want to take another look.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5940759


One thing though, even though MK-Ultra etc. is absolutly a thing, I get the impression it is mostly used as a means to an end. It is a tool for TPTB, one of many, but not the reason they exist, nor does it represent their goals.

Sometimes it is too easy to just chalk this stuff up to "Oh, there is the butterfly, so MIND CONTROL" and stop there. This is one reason I don't give VC much credit anymore, because his interpretation usually stops at just that point.

There are deep esoteric motivations behind TPTB and what they present to us, and not all of it even represents the same uniform agenda.
 Quoting: theorigionalzombiekiller


And to retort, no it's not that easy, hence why you, yourself had the interpretation wrong until it was explained to you and light was shed on the truth of story. Most watch this and think the main character wd insane.... But if you watch with eyes to see and ears to hear.. It's clearly the opposite.
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The last thing ill mention, as a connoisseur of film, this is a very multilayered movie and requires your utmost attention to understand the reality of what is happening on screen, an ink blot text on film, you see what you see and perceive.. It's a masterpiece
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Ink blot test
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The last thing ill mention, as a connoisseur of film, this is a very multilayered movie and requires your utmost attention to understand the reality of what is happening on screen, an ink blot text on film, you see what you see and perceive.. It's a masterpiece
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So what was the subtext of his interaction(or lack of, his overcomitment to his work lead to her mental illness escalating) with his wife and the resulting death of the children? And him shooting her? What did that specifically have to do with MK-Ultra?

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Very well could be. I'll take another look.
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Indeed, trying to help him was what they TOLD him they were doing.
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Klaatu Barada NNNNNNecktie. Nectar. Nickel. Noodle. It's an "N" word, it's definitely an "N" word!
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Noggin !
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Truth is in art. Its interpretation is up to you. Hermeneutics.
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I think it's clear that the guys delusions in Shutter Island were very real. The ending of the film with their so neatly wrapping it up should make it obvious. It's got a "move along, nothing to see here" kinda vibe.

At the same time though, why wouldn't they have just shot him?
 Quoting: LostInForever

Because it was an experiment in mind control ?
You don't want to shoot your lab rat, you know.
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havn't seen shutter island, but i'm fairly sure inception is just a movie about making movies.
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Apparently you didn't watch Inception either, or you must have slept through the movie just as the hero did.
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Christos? I haven't seen either, but from reading the thread, would you throw "The Truman Show" in this mix also?
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I'd say this depends on what you want to call this mix.
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Christos? I haven't seen either, but from reading the thread, would you throw "The Truman Show" in this mix also?
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I'd say this depends on what you want to call this mix.
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You mean The TRUE MAN show? Why yes, yes I would.
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Dude, you've got Shutter Island all wrong. SHutter island was about MK ultra and project paperclip. The doctors weren't trying to help free him, quite teh opposite. Damn son, might want to take another look.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5940759


One thing though, even though MK-Ultra etc. is absolutly a thing, I get the impression it is mostly used as a means to an end. It is a tool for TPTB, one of many, but not the reason they exist, nor does it represent their goals.

Sometimes it is too easy to just chalk this stuff up to "Oh, there is the butterfly, so MIND CONTROL" and stop there. This is one reason I don't give VC much credit anymore, because his interpretation usually stops at just that point.

There are deep esoteric motivations behind TPTB and what they present to us, and not all of it even represents the same uniform agenda.
 Quoting: theorigionalzombiekiller


Dude, I am so with you. If I hear one more thing about fkn butterflies I'm gonna fkn puke. At this point I'm pretty well convinced that the Illuminati is a staged distraction and all that VC shit a ploy to prop up the pop music industry and get people watching music vids again.
 Quoting: LostInForever


And you sir are an idiot, either an idiot or extremely misinformed/ naive...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33223464


No, I'm really not. I've been into this shit for quite a while now, there's pretty much not a single theory I haven't heard of or given a chance. If anything I'm OVER informed.

You think this shit going mainstream is a coincidence? You're being played, running around chasing Illuminati boogeymen and looking for fkn butterflies and shit. Thinking you've got it all figured out.

The only true knowledge consists in knowing that you know nothing.
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You should watch Memento again with this understanding. Since you are "seeing", all movies, stories, art will be a revelation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37380816


Agreed, Memento is a good one to watch with this perspective. However, I think there are many more. Almost as if movies etc.. are the current medium for modern day prophets.

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