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What do YOU think is up?

 
Anonymous Coward
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04/04/2013 07:34 PM
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What do YOU think is up?
These shenanigans have been going on for awhile. The only logical explanation that I can come up with is Kim Jong has a trick up his sleeve, and these threats are his bait.

Personally, I worry the whole thing is a big distraction. There is a larger entity that is working with North Korea. We have been distracted with the Middle East for quite some time now, and Kim Jong is throwing fuel on the fire.

Imagine this. He keeps these threats, increasing the magnitude of them every couple of days. The US has 3 options. Declare war (won't happen until something big occurs). Sit back and ignore it (we've been doing that for awhile now). Or respond and build establish military forces nearby NK for immediate response. This is the step the US is doing, and is probably the 'most popular' decision amongst civilians. North Korea is effectively forcing the military's hand with the escalating threats.

Now let's take a step backwards and think about NK's capabilities. There are, again, 2 scenarios I feel come to mind.

1. NK can strike the US homeland
2. NK can't strike the US homeland

Now, #1 is the obvious 'interesting' choice of the 2, considering NK's strength in their submarines. But I feel we'd be underestimating our navy too much by thinking they pose a serious threat. The whole "2 submarines have gone missing" thing just wreaks of hot media to me. Why the hell would a military reveal what they do or don't know about their enemy? It's plain stupid.. Why not advertise attack strategies on the news too while you're at it?

And if they do have ICBM's, again, I have a tremendous amount of faith in our military. I'm a strong believer that our military is 10 years more technologically advanced than what media is told. They've already displayed friggin' laser beams that can fry missiles well before they become problematic. It scares me to know where we are at right now, especially with the military's budget.

This leaves #2, NK CAN'T strike the US homeland. While this is the boring one, it intrigues me more of the 2 options. So why would NK be as hostile as they are if they can't strike us (besides fear-tactics)? As I have said before, they're forcing the US to call their bluffs to show the nation they have nothing to fear. To do this, the military must mobilize a good deal of forces to Guam, SK, etc. Mobilization is incredibly expensive. Add to the fact that we have forces on the other side of the world, and the $ adds up fast.

More interesting, it promotes our military to begin bunching up in locations that ARE within nuclear arms reach. If NK is truly as crazy as they're demonstrating, what better way to start a war than to rain hell upon as many armed forces as you can, before a true defense can get established. Send a few warheads at all of our bases in South Korea, Guam, Hawaii, etc. They may not have the brute force to match the US's military, but they can sure as west coast defenseless, opening the coast up for immediate attack from China (Russia?). This could smash us twice as hard, considering the major mobilization we'd send to Pacific, now providing a target for the Middle East.

Yes, it all sounds crazy. Maybe it is. But I cannot logically explain NK's threats other then mobilizing our forces within their reach.. And if that's what their goal is, we have much to be afraid of..

Your views?
theorigionalzombiekil​ler

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This is exactly what I think is up. Ahem:

The thing I had the hardest time with early on as far as comprehending the nature of the “conspiracy” we are faced with, was the apparent competition between the different groups involved. Not so much as in Republicans vs. Democrats, or Capitalism vs. Communism, because its readily apparent that these and other mainstream conflicts are mostly just a puppet show, duality at work/the Hegelian Dialect at play (although I’m starting to reevaluate somewhat the Capitalism/Communism thing, I think there might be some foundation of an actual difference between the goals of the instigators of both groups, at least when the philosophies were initially being set up. This is explained below).

Take Freemasonry and the Catholic Church, for example. The Vatican has a clear record of anti-Masonic actions. It was responsible for disbanding the Knights Templar. It is against catholic rules to even be a Freemason (although they have their own version somewhat, in the Knights of Columbus). Or even broader, the conflict between the church/the Establishment, and paganism. Pretty much everyone on this board will agree that establishment religions of the world are just as esoteric as the traditionally recognized “pagan” groups, yet throughout time the establishment has persecuted mercilessly the beliefs of “witches and warlocks”.

So what is going on? If they are all part of the same conspiracy, why the apparent conflicts? Can it be explained away simply as a turf war, a sort of “Game of Thrones” competition between groups, ultimately holding the same goal but each one wanting to be the first to get there? (This actually is what I have determined went down between the church and Masonry ultimately, although I think it started because the Templars, which went on to become Masonry, were compromised somehow by their exposure to eastern esoteric thought and practices, and after the church took steps to counteract this, the church decided to just disband the whole lot and take the Templar’s monetary stockpile)

Even accounting for the layers of subterfuge present with the false disagreements “They” play out to keep us distracted via politics and social constructs (education disparities, cultural affiliations, sports team allegiances lol) I have always sensed there is an actual difference between the establishment groups and their secret societies (church and state/skull and bones and masonry etc.), and the organizations outside of this framework (various and sundry).


So, what is this difference? What are the goals of both groups?

I believe the answer can be found within the body of Gnostic teachings. Wherein The Demiurge/Yaldaboath/Yahweh has created and maintains this false reality we are caught up in. His archons assist in this. I believe the establishment, which is for the most part the governments etc., takes part in this. They are allied with the archonic control Matrix. These guys are the standard TPTB. They just want the same pyramid style structure of elite rule and control to continue via the deceptions of duality and the Hegelian dialect. They want a “NWO” in the sense of a better system of control, and are actively working toward achieving it as we speak.

However, I also think they face opposition in a group of archons who seek to overthrow their creator. They seek to become the Gods of the Matrix, or variously, to destroy it completely. This was Agent Smith’s goal in The Matrix films, and the Demiurge (the Machines/archons) were forced to ally with Neo to stop this. I have come to the conclusion that the group we commonly refer to as “The Illuminati” may in actuality be this group, and not the group we usually term “The Powers That Be”. They seek a “NWO” in the sense of a true tearing down of precedent, as opposed to the rule of the Old World Order. They seek ascension.

Of course within and around these two opposing sides there is and can be any number of other groups pursuing their own agendas. For example, Alistair Crowley, “The Nobody”, etc, are not easily categorized in my opinion, at least with the information we have.
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04/04/2013 07:49 PM
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Intredasting. I might have to do at least a little bit of wiki with this one. You've mentioned a few stances and actions I'm not too incredibly familiar with.

Speaking of goals.. What do you beleive North Korea's goals are in this case? China? As you've detailed, it's difficult to really understand what is fueling motives and what is being sought.
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04/04/2013 08:02 PM
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damn, no one has any brain-childs to share? I'm sick of news outlets..
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04/04/2013 08:13 PM

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Re: What do YOU think is up?
Too many countries owe too much debt. The collective economy is in the crapper and unemployment is through the roof.

They need the mother of all black swan events to distract everyone from the collapse of the Western world and allow them to totally take over and remake the world into their communist idea of paradise.

If paradise is the end game, then they figure that it's moral to sacrifice people along the way to achieve it. In this case, they may be sacrificing a lot of people in a made up war with Korea and a nuclear detonation somewhere.

GOD HELP US ALL!

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theorigionalzombiekil​ler

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04/04/2013 08:16 PM
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Re: What do YOU think is up?
Intredasting. I might have to do at least a little bit of wiki with this one. You've mentioned a few stances and actions I'm not too incredibly familiar with.

Speaking of goals.. What do you beleive North Korea's goals are in this case? China? As you've detailed, it's difficult to really understand what is fueling motives and what is being sought.
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I believe they are in the process of reseting the control grid, but that also something unexpected has occured this go round via the "illumaniti's" interference. As to specifically what they are trying to acclomplish in the short term with N.K? Who the fuck knows....

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04/04/2013 10:06 PM
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Re: What do YOU think is up?
Money is power..

And with all the economic collapses as of recent, that sure does make things a lot more interesting.

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