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Some stuff I wrote in another thread. I feel it deserves its own spot:

Black Sabbath is as far from satanic as you can get. They are gnostic. Almost every one of their songs is about the Demiurge/Satan, as in against him.

Heavy Metal is more gnostic than people realize. Sabbath, all of Ronnie James Dio's stuff, Iron Maiden, Megadeth-all gnostic.

For example, really listen to the words here:



I am the crazy man
Who lives inside your head
But I think I'm breaking through the wall

You are the innocent
Convicted of the crime
No one was ever there
To catch you when you fall

I see the diamonds
But you only see the rock
I need to run
But you only crawl

It's time to open up
All the doors that you keep locked
Nobody gives without a take
Let's take it all

You've been twisted into pieces
By the hands of your emotions
How much longer are you gonna pay
For yesterday
Sins of the father

One more crucifixion
One more cross to bear
You're a hole in a photograph

Go on - Lose it in the city
The city can feel no shame
See the world with electric eyes

They call it mystery
But any fool could see
You thought he walked on the water

And if the pain was gone
And you were free to run away
And get out

Would you get out of there
Or do you really care
It's not safe or easy
And maybe when you're gone
You just won't belong at all

You're the only witness
To the murder of an angel
How much longer are you gonna pay
For yesterday
Sins of the father

It's just another crucifixion
One more cross to bear
Go on lose it in the city
Take a look at the world
You've got electric eyes



-This fits the example perfectly of a song that at first glance seems "satanic" especially with the lyrics that refer to Christ. But if one understands that gnostics, while believing that Christ did intervene on our behalf, was not the demigod of cruxifixion and guilt and thinly disguised "sun worship" we have been led to believe, it takes on a whole new meaning.

Now take this, also from Sabbath:



Have you ever thought about your soul - can it be saved?
Or perhaps you think that when you're dead you just stay in your grave
Is God just a thought within your head or is He a part of you?
Is Christ just a name that you read in a book when you were in school?

When you think about death do you lose your breath
Or do you keep your cool?
Would you like to see the Pope on the end of a rope
Do you think he's a fool?
Well I have seen the truth, yes I've seen the light
And I've changed my ways
And I'll be prepared when you're lonely and scared
At the end of our days

Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say
If they knew you believe in God above?
They should realize before they criticize
That God is the only way to love

Is your mind so small that you have to fall
In with the pack wherever they run
Will you still sneer when death is near
And say they may as well worship the sun?

I think it was true it was people like you that crucified Christ
I think it is sad the opinion you had was the only one voiced
Will you be so sure when your day is near, say you don't believe?
You had the chance but you turned it down, now you can't retrieve

Perhaps you'll think before you say that God is dead and gone
Open your eyes, just realize that he's the one
The only one who can save you now from all this sin and hate
Or will you still jeer at all you hear?
Yes! I think it's too late.



-This is all about Christ. The message is: ask yourself, do you really know who Christ was, or do you just "worship the sun" because you have been fooled by the layers of deception which have been placed over him.

Pretty deep stuff, right?

I should say right here that within gnostism there are of course many different beliefs. The one common denominator seems to be that the creator of our reality is satan, who has somehow trapped out true selves, and is using us to maintain his false existance, and that the true teachings of Christ and others make this clear. So for example, the "god" of the old testament is in actualty the Demiurge, i.e satan.

That doesn't mean that gnostics can't be evil themselves. Some definitly are, due to them holding to the idea that the only way to "wake up" from this matrix is to break every social norm(they see these as conditioning/brainwashing). I'd stay as far away from these guys as possible.

Some gnostics are just cynical bastards who see no hope at all.

In general though gnostics are the good guys. Sometimes it is hard to tell, mostly because they tend to be low key about their beliefs. The quickest way to be branded as insane is to let the wrong people find out that you think 'god" is satan. Most people are nowhere close to being able to understand this.

So as to Black Sabbath: they are clearly gnostic. What this means specifically, well I tend to get the idea from their lyrics that they in no way support anything resembling satanism. Now of course they try to make money just like everyone else, which in and of itself is problematic as far as maintaining integrity(funny enough, Rush has a song which addresses this paradox specifically, called The Spirit of Radio).

So I guess in closing, I strongly feel Black Sabbath belongs in the 'good guys" catagory. They try to tell it like it is.

Oh, and because their music absolutly fucking rules.
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Every religion that is not of Christ, is Satanic.
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Every religion that is not of Christ, is Satanic.
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Gnostics believe in Christ.
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Every religion that is not of Christ, is Satanic.
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Gnostics believe in Christ.
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So do muslims. s226
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Every religion that is not of Christ, is Satanic.
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Gnostics believe in Christ.
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So do muslims. s226
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And?
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Every religion that is not of Christ, is Satanic.
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Gnostics believe in Christ.
 Quoting: theorigionalzombiekiller


So do muslims. s226
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And?
 Quoting: theorigionalzombiekiller


You should try listening to the second song, I think it may be about you.

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Every religion that is not of Christ, is Satanic.
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Gnostics believe in Christ.
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So do muslims. s226
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37656406


And?
 Quoting: theorigionalzombiekiller


Apparently your christ believing gnostics also believe in drug use, drunkeness and random fornication.

iamwith
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Gnostics believe in Christ.
 Quoting: theorigionalzombiekiller


So do muslims. s226
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37656406


And?
 Quoting: theorigionalzombiekiller


Apparently your christ believing gnostics also believe in drug use, drunkeness and random fornication.

iamwith
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You should try listening to the second song, I think it may be about you too.

Btw, I clearly stated not all gnostics are nice people, so yeah.....

Not that there is much terribly wrong with your short list there of "OMG I'M OFFENDED!!!!"

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War pigs -was [link to en.wikipedia.org] about the witches sabbath celebrating pagan stuff,then it was chaged to war pigs,anti war /evil.brilliant thoughtful you are probbably rightOP.
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So do muslims. s226
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37656406


And?
 Quoting: theorigionalzombiekiller


Apparently your christ believing gnostics also believe in drug use, drunkeness and random fornication.

iamwith
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37656406


You should try listening to the second song, I think it may be about you too.

Btw, I clearly stated not all gnostics are nice people, so yeah.....

Not that there is much terribly wrong with your short list there of "OMG I'M OFFENDED!!!!"
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You're full of shit. I will not listen to that satanic drug promoting crap.
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And suddenly the mods on wiki delete the link/anyway it is a witches sabbath
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Every religion that is not of Christ, is Satanic.
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I envy your innocence.
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[link to en.wikipedia.org] This is what I was about
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anyway definition of GLP [link to www.youtube.com]
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War pigs -was [link to en.wikipedia.org] about the witches sabbath celebrating pagan stuff,then it was chaged to war pigs,anti war /evil.brilliant thoughtful you are probbably rightOP.
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Well if you listen to Douglas Dietrich, the two are one and the same.

Great post OP, def gave me something to think about.
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I've been trying to tell people this since the late 1970s.

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Hey, thanks pal.
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Every religion that is not of Christ, is Satanic.
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I envy your innocence.
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Sometimes I miss those days.
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Some stuff I wrote in another thread. I feel it deserves its own spot:

Black Sabbath is as far from satanic as you can get. They are gnostic. Almost every one of their songs is about the Demiurge/Satan, as in against him.

Heavy Metal is more gnostic than people realize. Sabbath, all of Ronnie James Dio's stuff, Iron Maiden, Megadeth-all gnostic.

For example, really listen to the words here:



I am the crazy man
Who lives inside your head
But I think I'm breaking through the wall

You are the innocent
Convicted of the crime
No one was ever there
To catch you when you fall

I see the diamonds
But you only see the rock
I need to run
But you only crawl

It's time to open up
All the doors that you keep locked
Nobody gives without a take
Let's take it all

You've been twisted into pieces
By the hands of your emotions
How much longer are you gonna pay
For yesterday
Sins of the father

One more crucifixion
One more cross to bear
You're a hole in a photograph

Go on - Lose it in the city
The city can feel no shame
See the world with electric eyes

They call it mystery
But any fool could see
You thought he walked on the water

And if the pain was gone
And you were free to run away
And get out

Would you get out of there
Or do you really care
It's not safe or easy
And maybe when you're gone
You just won't belong at all

You're the only witness
To the murder of an angel
How much longer are you gonna pay
For yesterday
Sins of the father

It's just another crucifixion
One more cross to bear
Go on lose it in the city
Take a look at the world
You've got electric eyes



-This fits the example perfectly of a song that at first glance seems "satanic" especially with the lyrics that refer to Christ. But if one understands that gnostics, while believing that Christ did intervene on our behalf, was not the demigod of cruxifixion and guilt and thinly disguised "sun worship" we have been led to believe, it takes on a whole new meaning.

Now take this, also from Sabbath:



Have you ever thought about your soul - can it be saved?
Or perhaps you think that when you're dead you just stay in your grave
Is God just a thought within your head or is He a part of you?
Is Christ just a name that you read in a book when you were in school?

When you think about death do you lose your breath
Or do you keep your cool?
Would you like to see the Pope on the end of a rope
Do you think he's a fool?
Well I have seen the truth, yes I've seen the light
And I've changed my ways
And I'll be prepared when you're lonely and scared
At the end of our days

Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say
If they knew you believe in God above?
They should realize before they criticize
That God is the only way to love

Is your mind so small that you have to fall
In with the pack wherever they run
Will you still sneer when death is near
And say they may as well worship the sun?

I think it was true it was people like you that crucified Christ
I think it is sad the opinion you had was the only one voiced
Will you be so sure when your day is near, say you don't believe?
You had the chance but you turned it down, now you can't retrieve

Perhaps you'll think before you say that God is dead and gone
Open your eyes, just realize that he's the one
The only one who can save you now from all this sin and hate
Or will you still jeer at all you hear?
Yes! I think it's too late.



-This is all about Christ. The message is: ask yourself, do you really know who Christ was, or do you just "worship the sun" because you have been fooled by the layers of deception which have been placed over him.

Pretty deep stuff, right?

I should say right here that within gnostism there are of course many different beliefs. The one common denominator seems to be that the creator of our reality is satan, who has somehow trapped out true selves, and is using us to maintain his false existance, and that the true teachings of Christ and others make this clear. So for example, the "god" of the old testament is in actualty the Demiurge, i.e satan.

That doesn't mean that gnostics can't be evil themselves. Some definitly are, due to them holding to the idea that the only way to "wake up" from this matrix is to break every social norm(they see these as conditioning/brainwashing). I'd stay as far away from these guys as possible.

Some gnostics are just cynical bastards who see no hope at all.

In general though gnostics are the good guys. Sometimes it is hard to tell, mostly because they tend to be low key about their beliefs. The quickest way to be branded as insane is to let the wrong people find out that you think 'god" is satan. Most people are nowhere close to being able to understand this.

So as to Black Sabbath: they are clearly gnostic. What this means specifically, well I tend to get the idea from their lyrics that they in no way support anything resembling satanism. Now of course they try to make money just like everyone else, which in and of itself is problematic as far as maintaining integrity(funny enough, Rush has a song which addresses this paradox specifically, called The Spirit of Radio).

So I guess in closing, I strongly feel Black Sabbath belongs in the 'good guys" catagory. They try to tell it like it is.

Oh, and because their music absolutly fucking rules.
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He believes in alister crowley .
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He believes in alister crowley .
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And for a very good reason, Alister Crowley was the real deal.


Doesn't mean Alister Crowley was a good person.

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Alister crowley commit suicide what dork
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Alister crowley commit suicide what dork
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Just to be clear, I'm not advocating for Crowley here. I think he was a sick fuck.
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Another example:

Iron Maiden's third album, "The Number of the Beast" was widely critized as being satanic when it came out, mostly due to the song of the same title and the album cover artwork. It actually inspired parents groups to hold bonfire events where copies were burned.




Here's the thing though. Look closely at that cover. There's the Devil, being held up on a pupet string by the band's mascot, Eddie. So Iron Maiden must be saying "Hey, you think the Devil is bad? Well, we are even worse"! That is how a lot of people took it at the time.

Now for the big reveal: Eddie is an archon. No, seriously. Look the word up if you need to, but the basic concept is that the Demiurge, and his followers are the true source of evil in the world, and that the majority of religious tenents we follow are actually false concepts manipulated by the archons. If you notice the bands relationship to their mascot, they are never portrayed as allies. Eddie is always shown comiting acts of violence or is portrayed with heavy occult/transhumanistic traits. The band even gets in "fights" with him whenever he comes out on stage during concerts(Yanick Gers will usually fend him off).

So what the band is saying is"Hey, this guy who you think is the bad guy, because the "god" of the bible told you so? Well yeah, hes a bad guy, but he isn't the bad guy. The real bad bad guy is the one giving you the easy definitions of what is good and evil, and pulling your strings without you even knowing it".

I can tell you that the more one looks closely at the dynamics between good and evil being portrayed in much of the heavy metal scene, the more one will notice that it doesn't actually match up with the kneejerk portrayal of "Satan!!!" that the mainstream wants you to believe.
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Why do you feel the need to defend heavy metal?

Maybe you are making excuses for the music simply because you like it?
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Why do you feel the need to defend heavy metal?

Maybe you are making excuses for the music simply because you like it?
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Probably.

Mostly I just wanted to make an interesting thread.
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Apart from some of the 'specialist' black metal, most mainstream metal artists have no interest in satanism.

I know an ex member of Dimmu Borgir (platinum) quite well, stayed at his house a few times. He has no Satanic beleifs, just likes the imagery.

likewise Iron Maiden, apart from 'number of the beast' have hardly touched on the subject in the last couple of decades.

According to interveiws, slipknot put 666 banners up on stage just to irritate the bible belt.

The closest thing to evil that Blacksabbath ever done was that nasty bitch sharon osbourne who controls braindead ozzy.
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How about we list some bands that actually are Satanic? I can't think of any off the top of my head, but most death metal I've heard definitely struck an "evil" chord to me. Nothing like what you're talking about here, no gnosis involved.

I'm reasonably certain Disturbed is. I still like a lot of their songs.
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