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A discussion on how today the world as we know it changes forever.

Specifically looking to the tensions over NK, which also tags through extension Russia/ China/ Iran/ Pakistan, but we also must take into account the on-going tensions with US/ Israel and Iran/ Syria, which also tags Russia/ China/ Pakistan, as well as underlying tensions between India/ Pakistan, which tags in US/GB/NATO/Russia/ Iran/ NK/ China.

**IF** Nk does not follow through with their "test", they will now appear weak - especially after their statements of the past few weeks, along with their building of support within their people under the guise of imminent war. While this would leave them appearing as weak and a continuation of Kim the senior's policy of empty talk and threats, the international pressure and ridicule would likely be the egg-in-the-face to push Kim Yong Un into more volatile actions with little thought and/ or consideration. These actions, in the form of military movements and attacks could entail actions on/ against SK, Japan, and US interests.

**IF** NK DOES fire their "test", especially if any "test" vehicle take a path projected to be within range of or even over Japan - it will assuredly be shot down. The shooting down of NK's "test" would be a mark as well against NK, not only destroying their property, negating any "test" and "results" thereof, but also a statement that they are not beyond international reach or free to take on open activities as they wish. This, as well, provides egg-in-the-face to NK, specifically to Yong Un, that would lead down the same path as above - volatile, "retaliatory" actions that are devised with no other objective than spreading death and destruction, though this scenario would more likely carry the support of their allies as the shooting down of their "test" will be construed not as a protective measure, but an offensive one towards the sovereign nation of NK.

During the following days, Iran/ Syria will also be provided the perfect opportunity to ramp up their own stances against the West, using the NK situation as a distraction to their favor.

Either way, and whatever happens; the world as we know it changes today - even if it were to culminate in a new Cold War that leaves the last looking like a child's game. The next 24 hours holds the one solid fact that Kim Yong Un will be left with egg-on-the-face; there's just no way around that right now, and it's no secret that fat kids don't like being made fun of.

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So does this mean war? Im lost
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Nothing at all is going to happen
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So does this mean war? Im lost
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Yes - at the VERY least, a heightened Cold War that will leave the prior between US/ USSR to pale in comparison.

How many here are old enough to remember that? Now think of it with today's technology - the espionage alone would be mind-boggling.
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A discussion on how today the world as we know it changes forever.

Specifically looking to the tensions over NK, which also tags through extension Russia/ China/ Iran/ Pakistan, but we also must take into account the on-going tensions with US/ Israel and Iran/ Syria, which also tags Russia/ China/ Pakistan, as well as underlying tensions between India/ Pakistan, which tags in US/GB/NATO/Russia/ Iran/ NK/ China.

**IF** Nk does not follow through with their "test", they will now appear weak - especially after their statements of the past few weeks, along with their building of support within their people under the guise of imminent war. While this would leave them appearing as weak and a continuation of Kim the senior's policy of empty talk and threats, the international pressure and ridicule would likely be the egg-in-the-face to push Kim Yong Un into more volatile actions with little thought and/ or consideration. These actions, in the form of military movements and attacks could entail actions on/ against SK, Japan, and US interests.

**IF** NK DOES fire their "test", especially if any "test" vehicle take a path projected to be within range of or even over Japan - it will assuredly be shot down. The shooting down of NK's "test" would be a mark as well against NK, not only destroying their property, negating any "test" and "results" thereof, but also a statement that they are not beyond international reach or free to take on open activities as they wish. This, as well, provides egg-in-the-face to NK, specifically to Yong Un, that would lead down the same path as above - volatile, "retaliatory" actions that are devised with no other objective than spreading death and destruction, though this scenario would more likely carry the support of their allies as the shooting down of their "test" will be construed not as a protective measure, but an offensive one towards the sovereign nation of NK.

During the following days, Iran/ Syria will also be provided the perfect opportunity to ramp up their own stances against the West, using the NK situation as a distraction to their favor.

Either way, and whatever happens; the world as we know it changes today - even if it were to culminate in a new Cold War that leaves the last looking like a child's game. The next 24 hours holds the one solid fact that Kim Yong Un will be left with egg-on-the-face; there's just no way around that right now, and it's no secret that fat kids don't like being made fun of.
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South Korea has lunched test missles over Japan before and they were not shot down. Nothing happened after their nuke tests either. What is different this time besides our reaction?
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Nothing at all is going to happen
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Nothing at all is going to happen
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That's half of my point here - even if nothing overt happens, it leaves NK in a precarious position of being mocked and Yong Un loosing his perceived level of international power as viewed by his people.

Sometimes, "nothing" amounts to a whole new bag of contentions.
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8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee.
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Clyde X...great post!
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Nothing at all is going to happen
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That's half of my point here - even if nothing overt happens, it leaves NK in a precarious position of being mocked and Yong Un loosing his perceived level of international power as viewed by his people.

Sometimes, "nothing" amounts to a whole new bag of contentions.
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I would assume that his people are totally cut off from being aware if he is mocked or not, so no worries there.

I think he's our guy, actually, and he's spouting off for a payday.
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South Korea has lunched test missles over Japan before and they were not shot down. Nothing happened after their nuke tests either. What is different this time besides our reaction?
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This difference this time is that Japan has explicitly stated that if a missile is launched over them, even as a test, they will shoot it down. They have never said that before - that's what's different, among other things.
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A discussion on how today the world as we know it changes forever.

Specifically looking to the tensions over NK, which also tags through extension Russia/ China/ Iran/ Pakistan, but we also must take into account the on-going tensions with US/ Israel and Iran/ Syria, which also tags Russia/ China/ Pakistan, as well as underlying tensions between India/ Pakistan, which tags in US/GB/NATO/Russia/ Iran/ NK/ China.

**IF** Nk does not follow through with their "test", they will now appear weak - especially after their statements of the past few weeks, along with their building of support within their people under the guise of imminent war. While this would leave them appearing as weak and a continuation of Kim the senior's policy of empty talk and threats, the international pressure and ridicule would likely be the egg-in-the-face to push Kim Yong Un into more volatile actions with little thought and/ or consideration. These actions, in the form of military movements and attacks could entail actions on/ against SK, Japan, and US interests.

**IF** NK DOES fire their "test", especially if any "test" vehicle take a path projected to be within range of or even over Japan - it will assuredly be shot down. The shooting down of NK's "test" would be a mark as well against NK, not only destroying their property, negating any "test" and "results" thereof, but also a statement that they are not beyond international reach or free to take on open activities as they wish. This, as well, provides egg-in-the-face to NK, specifically to Yong Un, that would lead down the same path as above - volatile, "retaliatory" actions that are devised with no other objective than spreading death and destruction, though this scenario would more likely carry the support of their allies as the shooting down of their "test" will be construed not as a protective measure, but an offensive one towards the sovereign nation of NK.

During the following days, Iran/ Syria will also be provided the perfect opportunity to ramp up their own stances against the West, using the NK situation as a distraction to their favor.

Either way, and whatever happens; the world as we know it changes today - even if it were to culminate in a new Cold War that leaves the last looking like a child's game. The next 24 hours holds the one solid fact that Kim Yong Un will be left with egg-on-the-face; there's just no way around that right now, and it's no secret that fat kids don't like being made fun of.
 Quoting: ClydeX


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South Korea has lunched test missles over Japan before and they were not shot down. Nothing happened after their nuke tests either. What is different this time besides our reaction?
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During the prior tests, even the nuclear tests, NK had not taken an over stated position of "War Footing" against SK or the US, they had not moved additional military and related hardware as seen in the past weeks, they had not warned visitors to leave SK, other countries had not seen the need to evacuate their people from NK/ SK, nor had Kaesong been completely shut down or the guards exchanged for military.

They've taken their steps to ramp this up intentionally.
Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee:
8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee.
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Nothing at all is going to happen
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That's half of my point here - even if nothing overt happens, it leaves NK in a precarious position of being mocked and Yong Un loosing his perceived level of international power as viewed by his people.

Sometimes, "nothing" amounts to a whole new bag of contentions.
 Quoting: ClydeX


True! Good point. Crapola, here we go.
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Nothing at all is going to happen
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That's half of my point here - even if nothing overt happens, it leaves NK in a precarious position of being mocked and Yong Un loosing his perceived level of international power as viewed by his people.

Sometimes, "nothing" amounts to a whole new bag of contentions.
 Quoting: ClydeX


True! Good point. Crapola, here we go.
 Quoting: Indysmindy


Yeah..................
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South Korea has lunched test missles over Japan before and they were not shot down. Nothing happened after their nuke tests either. What is different this time besides our reaction?
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During the prior tests, even the nuclear tests, NK had not taken an over stated position of "War Footing" against SK or the US, they had not moved additional military and related hardware as seen in the past weeks, they had not warned visitors to leave SK, other countries had not seen the need to evacuate their people from NK/ SK, nor had Kaesong been completely shut down or the guards exchanged for military.

They've taken their steps to ramp this up intentionally.
 Quoting: ClydeX


And we have similarly done things we have not done before such as sending B2s to mock a bombing run, deployed the E6 doomsday plane. Don't get me wrong, I believe in being prepared and even preemptive strikes against credible threats. It's just that this tit for tat escalation is getting serious. Somebody needs to take a deep breath and exhale slowly for a few minutes.

I made a poll earlier asking why the difference is this time. Thread: North Korea doom poll - Why is this time different?

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^ LMFAO,... What a fucking tool you are...
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Part of the Pivot to Asia

[link to original.antiwar.com]

<<<As a part of this strategy [Pivot to Asia], the US has made plans to substantially increase its military presence in the Asia Pacific. By 2020, the US is to have 60 percent of its naval forces stationed in the Pacific, up 10 percent from today. In terms of troops, the US already has 320,000 stationed in the Pacific region, and this number is set to increase. By 2016, the US will station 2,500 marines in northern Australia. The US is working to build and strengthen its military relationships with a host of Asian Pacific countries in order to counter China’s influence (more on this below). The US has also taken diplomatic action by siding with China’s neighbors in a number of territorial disputes (China v. Japan, Vietnam, Philippines). This has exacerbated tensions between these countries and worked to destabilize the region.>>>
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A discussion on how today the world as we know it changes forever.

Specifically looking to the tensions over NK, which also tags through extension Russia/ China/ Iran/ Pakistan, but we also must take into account the on-going tensions with US/ Israel and Iran/ Syria, which also tags Russia/ China/ Pakistan, as well as underlying tensions between India/ Pakistan, which tags in US/GB/NATO/Russia/ Iran/ NK/ China.

**IF** Nk does not follow through with their "test", they will now appear weak - especially after their statements of the past few weeks, along with their building of support within their people under the guise of imminent war. While this would leave them appearing as weak and a continuation of Kim the senior's policy of empty talk and threats, the international pressure and ridicule would likely be the egg-in-the-face to push Kim Yong Un into more volatile actions with little thought and/ or consideration. These actions, in the form of military movements and attacks could entail actions on/ against SK, Japan, and US interests.

**IF** NK DOES fire their "test", especially if any "test" vehicle take a path projected to be within range of or even over Japan - it will assuredly be shot down. The shooting down of NK's "test" would be a mark as well against NK, not only destroying their property, negating any "test" and "results" thereof, but also a statement that they are not beyond international reach or free to take on open activities as they wish. This, as well, provides egg-in-the-face to NK, specifically to Yong Un, that would lead down the same path as above - volatile, "retaliatory" actions that are devised with no other objective than spreading death and destruction, though this scenario would more likely carry the support of their allies as the shooting down of their "test" will be construed not as a protective measure, but an offensive one towards the sovereign nation of NK.

During the following days, Iran/ Syria will also be provided the perfect opportunity to ramp up their own stances against the West, using the NK situation as a distraction to their favor.

Either way, and whatever happens; the world as we know it changes today - even if it were to culminate in a new Cold War that leaves the last looking like a child's game. The next 24 hours holds the one solid fact that Kim Yong Un will be left with egg-on-the-face; there's just no way around that right now, and it's no secret that fat kids don't like being made fun of.
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Nothing at all is going to happen
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That's half of my point here - even if nothing overt happens, it leaves NK in a precarious position of being mocked and Yong Un loosing his perceived level of international power as viewed by his people.

Sometimes, "nothing" amounts to a whole new bag of contentions.
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If nothing happens and Juche remains the model in the DPRK, it means that they have made the Beast blink. So who really has egg on his face? Kim or Obama?
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^ LMFAO,... What a fucking tool you are...
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I thought the world changed forever yesterday though
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Excellent thoughts, OP.
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Good finding, however Peace for all
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Amid a stream of increasingly threatening words and actions, North Korea announced on Monday that it was suspending operations and recalling all of its workers from the Kaesong industrial complex, a factory park just inside North Korea's heavily armed border that pairs cheap local labor with South Korean know-how and pumped out about half a billion dollars' worth of goods last year.

It was the first time that production has been suspended at the complex, which for nearly a decade has been a tenuous but persistent symbol of cooperation in a relationship that now seems at rock bottom.

On Tuesday, the roads leading to Kaesong, the North's third biggest city, were empty of the normal line of cargo trucks and vehicles carrying supplies and people. Inside the complex, a couple of North Korean soldiers, clad in olive green uniforms and riding Chinese motorcycles, patrolled streets that on a normal weekday would have been choked with buses and workers.

A South Korean manager, one of about 400 who remained at Kaesong, said he had been sitting in an unheated office most of the day with four colleagues. Normally, they would be busy checking orders and examining the clothes they produce. But with no work and no television or radio, the manager said they did nothing but "think about the South."

"I feel hungry and cold here," he said as a soft drizzle fell on Kaesong.

Gas and oil is typically sent from the South to keep the heat flowing and the factories churning, but North Korea has closed the border to all workers and goods bound for Kaesong.

"We can't work in Kaesong anymore," he said, declining to be identified because of company rules. "I don't have any good memories left."
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