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ClydeX (OP) User ID: 11310285 United States 04/09/2013 11:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes - at the VERY least, a heightened Cold War that will leave the prior between US/ USSR to pale in comparison. How many here are old enough to remember that? Now think of it with today's technology - the espionage alone would be mind-boggling. Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee: 8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36022339 United States 04/09/2013 11:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A discussion on how today the world as we know it changes forever. Quoting: ClydeX Specifically looking to the tensions over NK, which also tags through extension Russia/ China/ Iran/ Pakistan, but we also must take into account the on-going tensions with US/ Israel and Iran/ Syria, which also tags Russia/ China/ Pakistan, as well as underlying tensions between India/ Pakistan, which tags in US/GB/NATO/Russia/ Iran/ NK/ China. **IF** Nk does not follow through with their "test", they will now appear weak - especially after their statements of the past few weeks, along with their building of support within their people under the guise of imminent war. While this would leave them appearing as weak and a continuation of Kim the senior's policy of empty talk and threats, the international pressure and ridicule would likely be the egg-in-the-face to push Kim Yong Un into more volatile actions with little thought and/ or consideration. These actions, in the form of military movements and attacks could entail actions on/ against SK, Japan, and US interests. **IF** NK DOES fire their "test", especially if any "test" vehicle take a path projected to be within range of or even over Japan - it will assuredly be shot down. The shooting down of NK's "test" would be a mark as well against NK, not only destroying their property, negating any "test" and "results" thereof, but also a statement that they are not beyond international reach or free to take on open activities as they wish. This, as well, provides egg-in-the-face to NK, specifically to Yong Un, that would lead down the same path as above - volatile, "retaliatory" actions that are devised with no other objective than spreading death and destruction, though this scenario would more likely carry the support of their allies as the shooting down of their "test" will be construed not as a protective measure, but an offensive one towards the sovereign nation of NK. During the following days, Iran/ Syria will also be provided the perfect opportunity to ramp up their own stances against the West, using the NK situation as a distraction to their favor. Either way, and whatever happens; the world as we know it changes today - even if it were to culminate in a new Cold War that leaves the last looking like a child's game. The next 24 hours holds the one solid fact that Kim Yong Un will be left with egg-on-the-face; there's just no way around that right now, and it's no secret that fat kids don't like being made fun of. |
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Resister User ID: 36421936 United States 04/09/2013 11:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | South Korea has lunched test missles over Japan before and they were not shot down. Nothing happened after their nuke tests either. What is different this time besides our reaction? "God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787 |
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ClydeX (OP) User ID: 11310285 United States 04/09/2013 11:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's half of my point here - even if nothing overt happens, it leaves NK in a precarious position of being mocked and Yong Un loosing his perceived level of international power as viewed by his people. Sometimes, "nothing" amounts to a whole new bag of contentions. Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee: 8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee. |
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Holy_Diver User ID: 20712268 United States 04/09/2013 11:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's half of my point here - even if nothing overt happens, it leaves NK in a precarious position of being mocked and Yong Un loosing his perceived level of international power as viewed by his people. Sometimes, "nothing" amounts to a whole new bag of contentions. I would assume that his people are totally cut off from being aware if he is mocked or not, so no worries there. I think he's our guy, actually, and he's spouting off for a payday. :ritd:"You've been left on your own, like a Rainbow in the Dark" -Ronnie James Dio:ritd: |
QuantumKev User ID: 632713 United States 04/09/2013 11:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | South Korea has lunched test missles over Japan before and they were not shot down. Nothing happened after their nuke tests either. What is different this time besides our reaction? Quoting: Resister This difference this time is that Japan has explicitly stated that if a missile is launched over them, even as a test, they will shoot it down. They have never said that before - that's what's different, among other things. "It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to speak up, and remove all doubt." ~ Abraham Lincoln |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 3021656 Canada 04/09/2013 11:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A discussion on how today the world as we know it changes forever. Quoting: ClydeX Specifically looking to the tensions over NK, which also tags through extension Russia/ China/ Iran/ Pakistan, but we also must take into account the on-going tensions with US/ Israel and Iran/ Syria, which also tags Russia/ China/ Pakistan, as well as underlying tensions between India/ Pakistan, which tags in US/GB/NATO/Russia/ Iran/ NK/ China. **IF** Nk does not follow through with their "test", they will now appear weak - especially after their statements of the past few weeks, along with their building of support within their people under the guise of imminent war. While this would leave them appearing as weak and a continuation of Kim the senior's policy of empty talk and threats, the international pressure and ridicule would likely be the egg-in-the-face to push Kim Yong Un into more volatile actions with little thought and/ or consideration. These actions, in the form of military movements and attacks could entail actions on/ against SK, Japan, and US interests. **IF** NK DOES fire their "test", especially if any "test" vehicle take a path projected to be within range of or even over Japan - it will assuredly be shot down. The shooting down of NK's "test" would be a mark as well against NK, not only destroying their property, negating any "test" and "results" thereof, but also a statement that they are not beyond international reach or free to take on open activities as they wish. This, as well, provides egg-in-the-face to NK, specifically to Yong Un, that would lead down the same path as above - volatile, "retaliatory" actions that are devised with no other objective than spreading death and destruction, though this scenario would more likely carry the support of their allies as the shooting down of their "test" will be construed not as a protective measure, but an offensive one towards the sovereign nation of NK. During the following days, Iran/ Syria will also be provided the perfect opportunity to ramp up their own stances against the West, using the NK situation as a distraction to their favor. Either way, and whatever happens; the world as we know it changes today - even if it were to culminate in a new Cold War that leaves the last looking like a child's game. The next 24 hours holds the one solid fact that Kim Yong Un will be left with egg-on-the-face; there's just no way around that right now, and it's no secret that fat kids don't like being made fun of. :lulz: :wth: :grumpybama: |
ClydeX (OP) User ID: 11310285 United States 04/09/2013 11:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | South Korea has lunched test missles over Japan before and they were not shot down. Nothing happened after their nuke tests either. What is different this time besides our reaction? Quoting: Resister During the prior tests, even the nuclear tests, NK had not taken an over stated position of "War Footing" against SK or the US, they had not moved additional military and related hardware as seen in the past weeks, they had not warned visitors to leave SK, other countries had not seen the need to evacuate their people from NK/ SK, nor had Kaesong been completely shut down or the guards exchanged for military. They've taken their steps to ramp this up intentionally. Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee: 8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 17845378 United States 04/09/2013 11:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's half of my point here - even if nothing overt happens, it leaves NK in a precarious position of being mocked and Yong Un loosing his perceived level of international power as viewed by his people. Sometimes, "nothing" amounts to a whole new bag of contentions. True! Good point. Crapola, here we go. |
ClydeX (OP) User ID: 11310285 United States 04/09/2013 11:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's half of my point here - even if nothing overt happens, it leaves NK in a precarious position of being mocked and Yong Un loosing his perceived level of international power as viewed by his people. Sometimes, "nothing" amounts to a whole new bag of contentions. True! Good point. Crapola, here we go. Yeah.................. Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee: 8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee. |
ClydeX (OP) User ID: 11310285 United States 04/09/2013 11:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | back to the first page for more consideration and discussion Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee: 8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee. |
Resister User ID: 36421936 United States 04/09/2013 11:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | South Korea has lunched test missles over Japan before and they were not shot down. Nothing happened after their nuke tests either. What is different this time besides our reaction? Quoting: Resister During the prior tests, even the nuclear tests, NK had not taken an over stated position of "War Footing" against SK or the US, they had not moved additional military and related hardware as seen in the past weeks, they had not warned visitors to leave SK, other countries had not seen the need to evacuate their people from NK/ SK, nor had Kaesong been completely shut down or the guards exchanged for military. They've taken their steps to ramp this up intentionally. And we have similarly done things we have not done before such as sending B2s to mock a bombing run, deployed the E6 doomsday plane. Don't get me wrong, I believe in being prepared and even preemptive strikes against credible threats. It's just that this tit for tat escalation is getting serious. Somebody needs to take a deep breath and exhale slowly for a few minutes. I made a poll earlier asking why the difference is this time. Thread: North Korea doom poll - Why is this time different? Last Edited by Resister on 04/09/2013 11:41 AM "God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787 |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 28232375 United States 04/09/2013 11:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Part of the Pivot to Asia [link to original.antiwar.com] <<<As a part of this strategy [Pivot to Asia], the US has made plans to substantially increase its military presence in the Asia Pacific. By 2020, the US is to have 60 percent of its naval forces stationed in the Pacific, up 10 percent from today. In terms of troops, the US already has 320,000 stationed in the Pacific region, and this number is set to increase. By 2016, the US will station 2,500 marines in northern Australia. The US is working to build and strengthen its military relationships with a host of Asian Pacific countries in order to counter China’s influence (more on this below). The US has also taken diplomatic action by siding with China’s neighbors in a number of territorial disputes (China v. Japan, Vietnam, Philippines). This has exacerbated tensions between these countries and worked to destabilize the region.>>> |
The Comforter User ID: 36340087 United States 04/09/2013 11:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A discussion on how today the world as we know it changes forever. Quoting: ClydeX Specifically looking to the tensions over NK, which also tags through extension Russia/ China/ Iran/ Pakistan, but we also must take into account the on-going tensions with US/ Israel and Iran/ Syria, which also tags Russia/ China/ Pakistan, as well as underlying tensions between India/ Pakistan, which tags in US/GB/NATO/Russia/ Iran/ NK/ China. **IF** Nk does not follow through with their "test", they will now appear weak - especially after their statements of the past few weeks, along with their building of support within their people under the guise of imminent war. While this would leave them appearing as weak and a continuation of Kim the senior's policy of empty talk and threats, the international pressure and ridicule would likely be the egg-in-the-face to push Kim Yong Un into more volatile actions with little thought and/ or consideration. These actions, in the form of military movements and attacks could entail actions on/ against SK, Japan, and US interests. **IF** NK DOES fire their "test", especially if any "test" vehicle take a path projected to be within range of or even over Japan - it will assuredly be shot down. The shooting down of NK's "test" would be a mark as well against NK, not only destroying their property, negating any "test" and "results" thereof, but also a statement that they are not beyond international reach or free to take on open activities as they wish. This, as well, provides egg-in-the-face to NK, specifically to Yong Un, that would lead down the same path as above - volatile, "retaliatory" actions that are devised with no other objective than spreading death and destruction, though this scenario would more likely carry the support of their allies as the shooting down of their "test" will be construed not as a protective measure, but an offensive one towards the sovereign nation of NK. During the following days, Iran/ Syria will also be provided the perfect opportunity to ramp up their own stances against the West, using the NK situation as a distraction to their favor. Either way, and whatever happens; the world as we know it changes today - even if it were to culminate in a new Cold War that leaves the last looking like a child's game. The next 24 hours holds the one solid fact that Kim Yong Un will be left with egg-on-the-face; there's just no way around that right now, and it's no secret that fat kids don't like being made fun of. YOU FORGOT ONE THING, ... Love NEVER Fails~ |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 21903530 Canada 04/09/2013 11:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's half of my point here - even if nothing overt happens, it leaves NK in a precarious position of being mocked and Yong Un loosing his perceived level of international power as viewed by his people. Sometimes, "nothing" amounts to a whole new bag of contentions. If nothing happens and Juche remains the model in the DPRK, it means that they have made the Beast blink. So who really has egg on his face? Kim or Obama? |
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ClydeX (OP) User ID: 11310285 United States 04/09/2013 12:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | South Korea has lunched test missles over Japan before and they were not shot down. Nothing happened after their nuke tests either. What is different this time besides our reaction? Quoting: Resister During the prior tests, even the nuclear tests, NK had not taken an over stated position of "War Footing" against SK or the US, they had not moved additional military and related hardware as seen in the past weeks, they had not warned visitors to leave SK, other countries had not seen the need to evacuate their people from NK/ SK, nor had Kaesong been completely shut down or the guards exchanged for military. They've taken their steps to ramp this up intentionally. And we have similarly done things we have not done before such as sending B2s to mock a bombing run, deployed the E6 doomsday plane. Don't get me wrong, I believe in being prepared and even preemptive strikes against credible threats. It's just that this tit for tat escalation is getting serious. Somebody needs to take a deep breath and exhale slowly for a few minutes. I made a poll earlier asking why the difference is this time. Thread: North Korea doom poll - Why is this time different? Those are valid points, however, beyond the SK/ US training exercise (which are regularly scheduled events), each of those have been in response to statements and/ or movements of escalation by NK. The point to this thread is not defining whether NK will actually move their rhetoric into action - there are a number of threads already about that - but rather that regardless of what happens or not, NK will be left in a very precarious position, and by extension so is the rest of the world. Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee: 8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee. |