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Comet ISON S1 C/2012 WTF NASA??? Part 2 : HOW BIG IS THIS COMET???

 
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HEY OP! AWESOME VIDEO! LOVED THEM!

So cool and FUN!
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So if it's only 5 km, what is going to make it possibly get 10-15 times as bright as the Sun? And, even become a day comet?

Day comets are rare, bro.

The only one I've ever seen was in Game of Thrones.
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Humph no reply from astro on this....duh about face be back with some more jargon

Thor great video and thread but I'm afraid it will soon be taken down...
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Interesting OP!
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Your Video is awesome man ...

I agree with Astros estimate of between 5 and 30 KM in size.

:) awesome!


so I am trending at above 5 KM , but thats just me ...
..did a thread to explore how to measure it my self page 1 , and we have listed two methods to use ,2 formulas if you will ...
here Thread: COMET C2012/S1 ISON : COMA/TAIL OF OVER 64,400 KM [UPDATE] (Page 24)

Though everybody is not "playing nicely together" , we are going to "Get 'er Done!"

heres some "results"

On April 2 the Earth-Comet distance was 4.1985 AU or 628,086,660 kilometer. If the size of the coma was 4 to 14 arcseconds it angular extent is 1.94e-5 radians to 6.79e-5 radians. Using s=rA the size is
628,086,660 kilometer x 1.94e-5 = 12184 kilometers
628,086,660 kilometer x 6.79e-5 = 42647 kilometers

and this

Innermost part = ~6090 km
This is not the size of the nucleus - it's just the brightest part of the coma.
The nucleus itself is beyond the resolution of the camera.
Coma = ~158,400 km
Coma + Tail = ~347,200 km
Tail = ~188,800 km

I am with you ... put a [radio or optical or IR] scope on it




So if it's only 5 km, what is going to make it possibly get 10-15 times as bright as the Sun? And, even become a day comet?

Day comets are rare, bro.

The only one I've ever seen was in Game of Thrones.
 Quoting: NewThor

 Quoting: rphunter


I've seen one in the late afternoon in the western sky in Texas in the 70's. I vaguely remember it was there for days... Does anyone else remember this? Very bright with long tail trailing north as bright as a super moon!

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So if it's only 5 km, what is going to make it possibly get 10-15 times as bright as the Sun? And, even become a day comet?
 Quoting: NewThor

Possibly, yes. It's a sun diving comet.
Day comets are rare, bro.
 Quoting: NewThor

So are sun diving comets of such substantial size.
The only one I've ever seen was in Game of Thrones.
 Quoting: NewThor

Haven't seen it, but comet McNaught (C/2006 P1) was also a day comet.
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So if it's only 5 km, what is going to make it possibly get 10-15 times as bright as the Sun? And, even become a day comet?
 Quoting: NewThor

Possibly, yes. It's a sun diving comet.
Day comets are rare, bro.
 Quoting: NewThor

So are sun diving comets of such substantial size.
The only one I've ever seen was in Game of Thrones.
 Quoting: NewThor

Haven't seen it, but comet McNaught (C/2006 P1) was also a day comet.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


SO much for your alleged expertise. Apparently you didn't notice, but the person you responded to thinks the comet will be 15 times brighter than the Sun itself. No comet in history has ever been brighter than the Sun.

Get the fuck off, little boy. You have to at least learn to lift your leg when you pee before you can run with the big dogs.
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So if it's only 5 km, what is going to make it possibly get 10-15 times as bright as the Sun? And, even become a day comet?
 Quoting: NewThor

Possibly, yes. It's a sun diving comet.
Day comets are rare, bro.
 Quoting: NewThor

So are sun diving comets of such substantial size.
The only one I've ever seen was in Game of Thrones.
 Quoting: NewThor

Haven't seen it, but comet McNaught (C/2006 P1) was also a day comet.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


FFS Not you again...
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So if it's only 5 km, what is going to make it possibly get 10-15 times as bright as the Sun? And, even become a day comet?
 Quoting: NewThor

Possibly, yes. It's a sun diving comet.
Day comets are rare, bro.
 Quoting: NewThor

So are sun diving comets of such substantial size.
The only one I've ever seen was in Game of Thrones.
 Quoting: NewThor

Haven't seen it, but comet McNaught (C/2006 P1) was also a day comet.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


SO much for your alleged expertise. Apparently you didn't notice, but the person you responded to thinks the comet will be 15 times brighter than the Sun itself. No comet in history has ever been brighter than the Sun.

Get the fuck off, little boy. You have to at least learn to lift your leg when you pee before you can run with the big dogs.
 Quoting: Anonymous astro, 1367896


the correct statement is 10-15 times as bright as the full moon

it cannot be brighter than the object whose light it only reflects

it would have to be a sun itself to be brighter than the sun
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So if it's only 5 km, what is going to make it possibly get 10-15 times as bright as the Sun? And, even become a day comet?
 Quoting: NewThor

Possibly, yes. It's a sun diving comet.
Day comets are rare, bro.
 Quoting: NewThor

So are sun diving comets of such substantial size.
The only one I've ever seen was in Game of Thrones.
 Quoting: NewThor

Haven't seen it, but comet McNaught (C/2006 P1) was also a day comet.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


SO much for your alleged expertise. Apparently you didn't notice, but the person you responded to thinks the comet will be 15 times brighter than the Sun itself. No comet in history has ever been brighter than the Sun.
 Quoting: Anonymous astro, 1367896

Neither will this one. You're right, I didn't notice that he said that. Has nothing to do with my astronomical expertise.
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When are we supposed to be able to see it?
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BTW, there was a comet in 2004 called NEAT that was a Sun grazer and was visible during the day with filtering.

The only reason it wasn't visible to the naked eye during the day is because of it's proximity to the Sun , but it could be seen at Sunrise and Sunset with the naked eye.

The size of the nucleus of the comet was never determined to the best of my knowledge but it is easy to see from the LASCO image of it on the link posted below that it was no ordinary comet and it's coma's size was approximately that of the Sun. We can estimate it was the size of a small planet by extrapolation from it's coma and tail size.

It was HUGE, and as I recall NASA shit slinging shills like Astroll were downplaying it's significance at the time.

It caused massive coronal mass ejections as it approached the Sun and phenomenon never before observed, including what appeared to be an arc between it and the Sun and between Mercury and the Sun and Venus and the Sun. The brightness of Venus increased by several degrees of magnitude as it's atmosphere expanded. The electric universe was revealed in all it's glory by arcs or giant sparks between the Sun, the comet and the inner planets.

All of this was downplayed and ignored in the major astronomical publications as if it never happened.

As you probably know, things have not been the same with the Sun , the solar system or the Earth since that time.

Scroll down for LASCO image of comet NEAT

[link to www.earthriseinstitute.org]
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the correct statement is 10-15 times as bright as the full moon

it cannot be brighter than the object whose light it only reflects

it would have to be a sun itself to be brighter than the sun
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Agreed, common sense.
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I don't mind if you use my stuff Thor, but please ask me first and use my real stuff, not some shitty colorized processing someone else did to my photo. It looks horrible (not your fault) and it's attached to me which is like... yuck.
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And regarding the gif animation with the comet and stars next to it within the circle.

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SO much for your alleged expertise. Apparently you didn't notice, but the person you responded to thinks the comet will be 15 times brighter than the Sun itself. No comet in history has ever been brighter than the Sun.
 Quoting: Anonymous astro

Neither will this one. You're right, I didn't notice that he said that. Has nothing to do with my astronomical expertise.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


If you don't have the attention to detail to notice that, I sure wouldn't want to depend on anything else you say as being that of an expert.

I am self taught and I know more than you ever will because of it.
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BTW, there was a comet in 2004 called NEAT that was a Sun grazer and was visible during the day with filtering.

The only reason it wasn't visible to the naked eye during the day is because of it's proximity to the Sun , but it could be seen at Sunrise and Sunset with the naked eye.

The size of the nucleus of the comet was never determined to the best of my knowledge but it is easy to see from the LASCO image of it on the link posted below that it was no ordinary comet and it's coma's size was approximately that of the Sun. We can estimate it was the size of a small planet by extrapolation from it's coma and tail size.

It was HUGE, and as I recall NASA shit slinging shills like Astroll were downplaying it's significance at the time.

It caused massive coronal mass ejections as it approached the Sun and phenomenon never before observed, including what appeared to be an arc between it and the Sun and between Mercury and the Sun and Venus and the Sun. The brightness of Venus increased by several degrees of magnitude as it's atmosphere expanded. The electric universe was revealed in all it's glory by arcs or giant sparks between the Sun, the comet and the inner planets.

All of this was downplayed and ignored in the major astronomical publications as if it never happened.

As you probably know, things have not been the same with the Sun , the solar system or the Earth since that time.

Scroll down for LASCO image of comet NEAT

[link to www.earthriseinstitute.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous astro, 1367896




neat is an understatement...

WTF NASA, POINT SOME OF YOUR TOYS AT THIS STUFF AND LET US WATCH!
rhombus will set you free...

some try to tell me thoughts they cannot defend. just what you want to be, you will be in the end!

if you can't face the truth it's probably raping you from behind.
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And regarding the gif animation with the comet and stars next to it within the circle.

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Noted.
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BTW, there was a comet in 2004 called NEAT that was a Sun grazer and was visible during the day with filtering.

The only reason it wasn't visible to the naked eye during the day is because of it's proximity to the Sun , but it could be seen at Sunrise and Sunset with the naked eye.

The size of the nucleus of the comet was never determined to the best of my knowledge but it is easy to see from the LASCO image of it on the link posted below that it was no ordinary comet and it's coma's size was approximately that of the Sun. We can estimate it was the size of a small planet by extrapolation from it's coma and tail size.

It was HUGE, and as I recall NASA shit slinging shills like Astroll were downplaying it's significance at the time.

It caused massive coronal mass ejections as it approached the Sun and phenomenon never before observed, including what appeared to be an arc between it and the Sun and between Mercury and the Sun and Venus and the Sun. The brightness of Venus increased by several degrees of magnitude as it's atmosphere expanded. The electric universe was revealed in all it's glory by arcs or giant sparks between the Sun, the comet and the inner planets.

All of this was downplayed and ignored in the major astronomical publications as if it never happened.

As you probably know, things have not been the same with the Sun , the solar system or the Earth since that time.

Scroll down for LASCO image of comet NEAT

[link to www.earthriseinstitute.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous astro, 1367896




neat is an understatement...

WTF NASA, POINT SOME OF YOUR TOYS AT THIS STUFF AND LET US WATCH!
 Quoting: genba


That was in 2003 when we had some really spectacular solar activity, which I have archives of. I have some very unusual images that have been purged from the archives as well. That CME you posted a link to was a baby compared to the one NEAT produced as it went behind the Sun. I speculated at one point it may have impacted the Sun based on the observations, it was hard to tell. Several smaller comets did during that period. This was the first time CME's had ever been observed as the result of comet's impact with the Sun. I am assuming a large part of NEAT broke away and impacted the Sun, resulting in a spectacular CME at least 3 hundred times the size of the Sun itself in cross sectional area
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And regarding the gif animation with the comet and stars next to it within the circle.

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You use Google Sky? Seriously.....Have you looked at who owns google?
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And regarding the gif animation with the comet and stars next to it within the circle.

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Good enough for government work isn't going to cut it with me in the house. Get lost, or have me banned, or I am going to cut you off at the knees you brainless fucktard
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Just to make it clear I am speaking metaphorically concerning our relative intellectual prowess, don't be childish and call this some kind of threat of physical violence. I know how desperate and dishonest you fucks can be.
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And regarding the gif animation with the comet and stars next to it within the circle.

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You use Google Sky? Seriously.....Have you looked at who owns google?
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Good call, and notice the words 'animation' which mans for the intellectually challenged that it isn't real, it's a computer generated graphic. Th pict ASStroll posted are probably fakes, no telling what comet it is he is showing. There is no way to tell where it is, no celestial markers so to speak. More than likely it's a fabrication
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You use Google Sky? Seriously.....Have you looked at who owns google?
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And regarding the gif animation with the comet and stars next to it within the circle.

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You use Google Sky? Seriously.....Have you looked at who owns google?
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Google itself and even google sky is irrelevant. I used it to distribute the data easily so that even a complete moron can work with it. Most people don't have the software already on their computer to work with raw fits files, or I would distribute a fits file with embedded WCS data instead. The only important point is that the stars in the circle are just background stars. What, you thought google took that image for google sky? Hell no, like I said, it's a sky survey image USED by google sky, it long predates google sky. You want a WCS embedded FITS instead so that you can compare directly with sky survey data without using google? Here, be my guest:
[link to nova.astrometry.net]
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And regarding the gif animation with the comet and stars next to it within the circle.

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You use Google Sky? Seriously.....Have you looked at who owns google?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37796173

Good call, and notice the words 'animation' which mans for the intellectually challenged that it isn't real, it's a computer generated graphic. Th pict ASStroll posted are probably fakes, no telling what comet it is he is showing. There is no way to tell where it is, no celestial markers so to speak. More than likely it's a fabrication
 Quoting: Anonymous astro, 1367896


They're called "stars" and if you knew half of what I know you would know that you can astrometrically solve the image for yourself to find out where in the sky it is. Here are the exact coordinates of the center of the image:
Center (RA, hms): 06h 37m 11.007s
Center (Dec, dms): +30° 21' 11.935"
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This series of LASCO images made into a movie has been intentionally censored and I have the real images to prove it.

There are many frames missing and the really good stuff is not shown at all.
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They're called "stars"

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Name ONE of them, just for the hell of it, or name a constellation they are a part of or in the general direction of the source of this image.
and if you knew half of what I know you would know that you can astrometrically solve the image for yourself

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I am guessing if you knew 1/10th what you claim you do you would probably know how to spell astronomically. There is no word astrometrically to my knowledge.
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And regarding the gif animation with the comet and stars next to it within the circle.

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You use Google Sky? Seriously.....Have you looked at who owns google?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37796173


Google itself and even google sky is irrelevant. I used it to distribute the data easily so that even a complete moron can work with it. Most people don't have the software already on their computer to work with raw fits files, or I would distribute a fits file with embedded WCS data instead. The only important point is that the stars in the circle are just background stars. What, you thought google took that image for google sky? Hell no, like I said, it's a sky survey image USED by google sky, it long predates google sky. You want a WCS embedded FITS instead so that you can compare directly with sky survey data without using google? Here, be my guest:
[link to nova.astrometry.net]
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


How is it irrelivant? You think the owners with billions of $$££ are going to show whats realy going on? Are you that naive?