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Obama's 94 cents per pack cigarette tax hike

 
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Here's a novel idea... fuck you! People are responsible for their own lives. Govt should not get involved. Your life, your decision, your end result.

Another propaganda piece. Medical costs have nothing to do with fat people or smokers. Its about an "unregulated" industry that continues to jack prices up for no other reason, than they can...

Get rid of insurance and force everything and everyone into self pay, and watch the prices drop like a rock. Won't happen though as the tort, and AMA buddies won't agree...
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^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^

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Re: Obama's 94 cents per pack cigarette tax hike
Tax the shit out of it.

Same for McDonalds.


Tired of my medical costs being so high because of obese people and people who smoke.

A CT scan in america is about 1000 dollars.

I can get the same quality CT scan in Europe for about 100.
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what an idiot.
you don't think people smoke
and have McDonald's in Europe ??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24501290


Nope, but they have had a different medical system in place long enough not to get gouged for everyday procedures.
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Once again, BULLSHIT...
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Re: Obama's 94 cents per pack cigarette tax hike
Tax the shit out of it.

Same for McDonalds.


Tired of my medical costs being so high because of obese people and people who smoke.

A CT scan in america is about 1000 dollars.

I can get the same quality CT scan in Europe for about 100.
 Quoting: Forgotten


Here's a novel idea... fuck you! People are responsible for their own lives. Govt should not get involved. Your life, your decision, your end result.

Another propaganda piece. Medical costs have nothing to do with fat people or smokers. Its about an "unregulated" industry that continues to jack prices up for no other reason, than they can...

Get rid of insurance and force everything and everyone into self pay, and watch the prices drop like a rock. Won't happen though as the tort, and AMA buddies won't agree...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1003364


So, then roll your own. Grow your own tobacco. Dont want the government taxing your cigs. There are answers for that.
 Quoting: Forgotten



No, you are incorrect. Price controls and taxation on certain products, labeled by the govt, is not LEGAL. Hmmm, maybe we should start taxing the fuck out of gas for people who drive and ruin the environment? Or perhaps those that eat healthy, because it requires more labor to process. Bullshit can be made up all day long. Just because you don't agree with something, does not make your agenda correct...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1003364


There is already a federal tax on gas.

And you are correct, just because my opinion is different doesnt make it correct.

At least I am not calling people names and attacking them for their beliefs.

Cant say the same for everyone in this thread.
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Re: Obama's 94 cents per pack cigarette tax hike
in 2009 a 34 cents tax hike

in 2013 a 94 cents tax hike

for every pack of cigarettes you buy

$1.24 goes to the government.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24501290


WRONG!

$13 a pack in NYC.
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater



Oh geeze! And I was going to complain about paying $9.75 a pack in Hawaii.
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No one had to tell me they were bad for me, the hacking, coughing and choking from smoking was killing me, of that I have no doubt.

I never thought I could quit and used that stupid reasoning as well but I am sooooooooo happy that I finally found freedom instead of slavery.

banana2
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Well, I know quite a few people who compete in tour de france, and smoke like 4 packs a day... everything in moderation...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1003364


Yup, I used that excuse for years as well, I was and still am physically active.
It catches up with you though.

Eventually, your skin loses it's rosy pink glow in favour of that lovely shade of grey as your arteries start to close up and the blood doesn't flow smoothly throughout the body.

Your lungs collect so much tar it is next to impossible to run around the block.

You lose your sex drive.

Etc, etc.

Believe me, as a life time smoker, I know all the excuses and justifications for smoking, I used them for years.

Now that I am not addicted any longer, I realize how fricken stupid I was.
I could have bought a house with all the money I wasted on smokes.
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Here's a novel idea... fuck you! People are responsible for their own lives. Govt should not get involved. Your life, your decision, your end result.

Another propaganda piece. Medical costs have nothing to do with fat people or smokers. Its about an "unregulated" industry that continues to jack prices up for no other reason, than they can...

Get rid of insurance and force everything and everyone into self pay, and watch the prices drop like a rock. Won't happen though as the tort, and AMA buddies won't agree...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1003364


So, then roll your own. Grow your own tobacco. Dont want the government taxing your cigs. There are answers for that.
 Quoting: Forgotten



No, you are incorrect. Price controls and taxation on certain products, labeled by the govt, is not LEGAL. Hmmm, maybe we should start taxing the fuck out of gas for people who drive and ruin the environment? Or perhaps those that eat healthy, because it requires more labor to process. Bullshit can be made up all day long. Just because you don't agree with something, does not make your agenda correct...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1003364


There is already a federal tax on gas.

And you are correct, just because my opinion is different doesnt make it correct.

At least I am not calling people names and attacking them for their beliefs.

Cant say the same for everyone in this thread.
 Quoting: Forgotten




But you are. Non smoker vs smoker and the baggage (propaganda) that you believe to be affixed to the smoker.

I know their is a tax on gas, but hey, lets raise it even higher, because those evil car drives are fucking up the air, making it more difficult for me to breath. Next lets, make everyone buy a helmet and bubble wrap themselves so that they don't get hurt and cost the insurance industry money. Hell, why stop there? Lets all lay on a fucking bed and plug into the matrix, shit in a receptical, get fed by machines, and imagine we are living, INDEPENDENT, HUMANS....
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Maybe this will help me quit once and for all.....who knows. I know that I absolutely won't pay another $1.00 a pack, so quitting will be the only alternative.

Maybe that's a good thing.
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I remember buying them for 20 cents a pack I mostly smoked Winston ,and Marboro at the time and that wasn't that long ago ,was in the 1980s
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So, then roll your own. Grow your own tobacco. Dont want the government taxing your cigs. There are answers for that.
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No, you are incorrect. Price controls and taxation on certain products, labeled by the govt, is not LEGAL. Hmmm, maybe we should start taxing the fuck out of gas for people who drive and ruin the environment? Or perhaps those that eat healthy, because it requires more labor to process. Bullshit can be made up all day long. Just because you don't agree with something, does not make your agenda correct...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1003364


There is already a federal tax on gas.

And you are correct, just because my opinion is different doesnt make it correct.

At least I am not calling people names and attacking them for their beliefs.

Cant say the same for everyone in this thread.
 Quoting: Forgotten




But you are. Non smoker vs smoker and the baggage (propaganda) that you believe to be affixed to the smoker.

I know their is a tax on gas, but hey, lets raise it even higher, because those evil car drives are fucking up the air, making it more difficult for me to breath. Next lets, make everyone buy a helmet and bubble wrap themselves so that they don't get hurt and cost the insurance industry money. Hell, why stop there? Lets all lay on a fucking bed and plug into the matrix, shit in a receptical, get fed by machines, and imagine we are living, INDEPENDENT, HUMANS....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1003364


I did not attack anyone. I did not tell anyone to "fuck off". I did not call anyone dumb.

I didn not call anyone an asshole.

p.s. I dont give 2 shits if you smoke. But dont complain about the prices. Your habit, your issue.

I smoke weed daily. You dont see me bitching that the price has gone up.

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Re: Obama's 94 cents per pack cigarette tax hike
"On April 1, 2009, the largest federal cigarette excise tax increase in history went into effect, bringing the combined federal and average state excise tax for cigarettes to $2.21 per pack"...

Link:
[link to www.cdc.gov]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2362947


thanks for the extra info :)

so $2.21 PLUS .94 means that the gov gets

$3.25 per pack JUST in taxes !!!

this means that at $5 a pack
that the gov gets 64% of the
price of every pack of cigs.

what a crock of shit !!!

what other product out there
does the gov get 64% of the sales
price ????

NONE !!!!
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Re: Obama's 94 cents per pack cigarette tax hike
in 2009 a 34 cents tax hike

in 2013 a 94 cents tax hike

for every pack of cigarettes you buy

$1.24 goes to the government.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24501290


WRONG!

$13 a pack in NYC.
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater



Oh geeze! And I was going to complain about paying $9.75 a pack in Hawaii.
 Quoting: Rev StarGazer


People drive to Connecticut and New Jersey just to buy cartons of cigs....it's like $6.50 - $7.50 a pack in those states.

Bloomterd went nuts with taxes.
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Well, I know quite a few people who compete in tour de france, and smoke like 4 packs a day... everything in moderation...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1003364


Yup, I used that excuse for years as well, I was and still am physically active.
It catches up with you though.

Eventually, your skin loses it's rosy pink glow in favour of that lovely shade of grey as your arteries start to close up and the blood doesn't flow smoothly throughout the body.

Your lungs collect so much tar it is next to impossible to run around the block.

You lose your sex drive.

Etc, etc.

Believe me, as a life time smoker, I know all the excuses and justifications for smoking, I used them for years.

Now that I am not addicted any longer, I realize how fricken stupid I was.
I could have bought a house with all the money I wasted on smokes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 628775





Doesn't really matter though in th grand scheme of things, now does it? Do you really think anyone will ever get old in the current system? No. In addition, everyday life exposes you to more carcinogens. Good for you though, everyone is different...
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I smoke weed daily. You dont see me bitching that the price has gone up.
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because it is not regulated .... YET !!!

wait til it is legal and they tax it
at $5 per pack and then you shit
your pants with fury.
hypocrite
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"On April 1, 2009, the largest federal cigarette excise tax increase in history went into effect, bringing the combined federal and average state excise tax for cigarettes to $2.21 per pack"...

Link:
[link to www.cdc.gov]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2362947


thanks for the extra info :)

so $2.21 PLUS .94 means that the gov gets

$3.25 per pack JUST in taxes !!!

this means that at $5 a pack
that the gov gets 64% of the
price of every pack of cigs.

what a crock of shit !!!

what other product out there
does the gov get 64% of the sales
price ????

NONE !!!!

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24501290


SCHIP....was put in place when Obama came in office.
That boosted the Federal taxes IMMENSELY....even on BULK tobacco.

SCHIP law increases US tobacco taxes in April 2009

[link to botl.cigarseveryday.com]
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No, you are incorrect. Price controls and taxation on certain products, labeled by the govt, is not LEGAL. Hmmm, maybe we should start taxing the fuck out of gas for people who drive and ruin the environment? Or perhaps those that eat healthy, because it requires more labor to process. Bullshit can be made up all day long. Just because you don't agree with something, does not make your agenda correct...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1003364


There is already a federal tax on gas.

And you are correct, just because my opinion is different doesnt make it correct.

At least I am not calling people names and attacking them for their beliefs.

Cant say the same for everyone in this thread.
 Quoting: Forgotten




But you are. Non smoker vs smoker and the baggage (propaganda) that you believe to be affixed to the smoker.

I know their is a tax on gas, but hey, lets raise it even higher, because those evil car drives are fucking up the air, making it more difficult for me to breath. Next lets, make everyone buy a helmet and bubble wrap themselves so that they don't get hurt and cost the insurance industry money. Hell, why stop there? Lets all lay on a fucking bed and plug into the matrix, shit in a receptical, get fed by machines, and imagine we are living, INDEPENDENT, HUMANS....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1003364


I did not attack anyone. I did not tell anyone to "fuck off". I did not call anyone dumb.

I didn not call anyone an asshole.

p.s. I dont give 2 shits if you smoke. But dont complain about the prices. Your habit, your issue.

I smoke weed daily. You dont see me bitching that the price has gone up.
 Quoting: Forgotten



You will when they legalize it, and the price keeps going, up, up, up... black market tends not to have something called price controls.
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Re: Obama's 94 cents per pack cigarette tax hike
Tax the shit out of it.

Same for McDonalds.


Tired of my medical costs being so high because of obese people and people who smoke.

A CT scan in america is about 1000 dollars.

I can get the same quality CT scan in Europe for about 100.
 Quoting: Forgotten


What in the fuck does a CT scan's cost have to do with smokers or obese people? Are you that stupid? You just answered your own question. it is NOT the obese and smokers that are causing a CT scan to cost 10x more in American than in Europe. It is insurance companies and the bio-medical device manufacturers. Dipshit.
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On the reservation I can get a carton of camel 99's for like 40 bucks.
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Sorry OP I get your philosophical drift....but mathematically this is best. I got my bachelors in Econ taxing industry is harmful until you get to the areas where consumer surplus saved does not outweigh cost to society for consumption of said item.
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I smoke weed daily. You dont see me bitching that the price has gone up.
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because it is not regulated .... YET !!!

wait til it is legal and they tax it
at $5 per pack and then you shit
your pants with fury.
hypocrite
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24501290


A pack of cigs has to be about 1 oz of tobacco.

A 5 dollar tax on an OZ would not make me post about it on GLP.

p.s. Weed is very easily grown, and if the government ever started regulating it, I would grow it myself.


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Re: Obama's 94 cents per pack cigarette tax hike
in 2009 a 34 cents tax hike

in 2013 a 94 cents tax hike

for every pack of cigarettes you buy

$1.24 goes to the government.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24501290


WRONG!

$13 a pack in NYC.
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater



Oh geeze! And I was going to complain about paying $9.75 a pack in Hawaii.
 Quoting: Rev StarGazer


People drive to Connecticut and New Jersey just to buy cartons of cigs....it's like $6.50 - $7.50 a pack in those states.

Bloomterd went nuts with taxes.
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater



Bet a lot of people have a nice little 'side business' going on. ;)
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or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
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or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

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Sorry OP I get your philosophical drift....but mathematically this is best.
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what works on paper
doesn't always work in reality.
you should be smart enough
to see this already.
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Re: Obama's 94 cents per pack cigarette tax hike
Sorry OP I get your philosophical drift....but mathematically this is best. I got my bachelors in Econ taxing industry is harmful until you get to the areas where consumer surplus saved does not outweigh cost to society for consumption of said item.
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Thats complete BULLSHIT. "Outweigh" cost to society? And who, may I ask makes that fucking decision????? Everytime someone ends up getting cancer or something else, the first thing they cry is "smoker"!!!! - when in fact they may have only smoked once in their life or for a brief period. Scape goat of our society.
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On the reservation I can get a carton of camel 99's for like 40 bucks.
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everybody cannot afford
to drive 300 miles to a
reservation to buy cigs.

this is equivalent to a gov siege
of a consumer product.
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I smoke weed daily. You dont see me bitching that the price has gone up.
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because it is not regulated .... YET !!!

wait til it is legal and they tax it
at $5 per pack and then you shit
your pants with fury.
hypocrite
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24501290


A pack of cigs has to be about 1 oz of tobacco.

A 5 dollar tax on an OZ would not make me post about it on GLP.

p.s. Weed is very easily grown, and if the government ever started regulating it, I would grow it myself.


Last post to this thread. Good luck. I hope the price of cigs goes down.
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Sure you would... and then the enforcers for not paying Ceasar his due would be busting down your door...
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Its more crap but best to quit anyhow guys. I smoked since 14 and quit at 35 and feel so much better in just 6 months
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Big fricken deal.

We pay prov tax of 25 cents per cig that's $50.00/carton of 200.
Then there is federal tax on top.

A carton of 200 runs you between $90.00 and $115.00 or $11. to $14 /pack of 25.

I quit 39 days ago and have saved $400. so far.

You have a long way to go to catch up with the tax on our smokes.

On the plus side, I feel a 1000 times better since I quit the evil white cancer sticks.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 628775


some people don't want to quit.
I am one.

I want my cigs left alone.

fvck regulation by enforcement
of taxes on a product.

it's times like these that I miss
GH Bush

"Read my lips: NO NEW TAXES!!"

that includes cigs
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24501290


HA HA to fucking bad, I hate cig smokers, you smell, you make my air smell, you smell up my local bar, your teeth are yellow and you cost us millions in healthcare cost, cigs should either be outlawed or taxed $5 a pack..

Eat Shit Cig Smokers..

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On the reservation I can get a carton of camel 99's for like 40 bucks.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1003364


everybody cannot afford
to drive 300 miles to a
reservation to buy cigs.

this is equivalent to a gov siege
of a consumer product.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24501290


I agree. Illegal taxation based on feel good BS. I suspect it was done in conjunction with the anticipated health care bills and the medical/insurance industry...
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Big fricken deal.

We pay prov tax of 25 cents per cig that's $50.00/carton of 200.
Then there is federal tax on top.

A carton of 200 runs you between $90.00 and $115.00 or $11. to $14 /pack of 25.

I quit 39 days ago and have saved $400. so far.

You have a long way to go to catch up with the tax on our smokes.

On the plus side, I feel a 1000 times better since I quit the evil white cancer sticks.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 628775


some people don't want to quit.
I am one.

I want my cigs left alone.

fvck regulation by enforcement
of taxes on a product.

it's times like these that I miss
GH Bush

"Read my lips: NO NEW TAXES!!"

that includes cigs
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24501290


HA HA to fucking bad, I hate cig smokers, you smell, you make my air smell, you smell up my local bar, your teeth are yellow and you cost us millions in healthcare cost, cigs should either be outlawed or taxed $5 a pack..

Eat Shit Cig Smokers..

bartmoon
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"Drunks" who visit bars are more of a health risk than smokers, tool box... brain dead, O-zombie...
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Fuck cig smokers, outlaw cigs, 10 years in prison if caught with a cig..

You smelly aholes..

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Roll your own! Tubes....$1.95/carton
Tobbaco..$16.95/bag =2.5 cartons

Fuck the Government!

Ill roll my own, get cancer, enjoy myself while doing it, then have all the stupid fucking taxpayers pay for my medical when I get cancer.

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