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Why do so many expect perfection from fallible Christian sinners....

 
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Why do so many expect perfection from fallible Christian sinners....
Do you know how hard it is to live Righteously and by following the Commands to the letter 24/7 365? It is hard. We sin everyday just like you do. Give us a break, ok?
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Re: Why do so many expect perfection from fallible Christian sinners....
Don't you know that by judging us for the same sins that you transgress makes you hypocrites?
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Re: Why do so many expect perfection from fallible Christian sinners....
That is all.
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Re: Why do so many expect perfection from fallible Christian sinners....
Amen! It's ridiculous. We are all sinners saved ONLY by grace.

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Re: Why do so many expect perfection from fallible Christian sinners....
Do you know how hard it is to live Righteously and by following the Commands to the letter 24/7 365? It is hard. We sin everyday just like you do. Give us a break, ok?
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It could be the lack of such grace afforded by the aforementioned towards non-Christians. I'm no expert, however, I do recall the bible Guy saying something along the lines of "The measure we judge others by will be likewise applied to ourselves". Ya live by the sword, ya die by the sword, yes? Most normal people understand how to render slack. I have faith that youse guys can learn this, too ;)
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Re: Why do so many expect perfection from fallible Christian sinners....
"Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.

Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful.

But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.

For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.

Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.."

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Re: Why do so many expect perfection from fallible Christian sinners....
Amen! It's ridiculous. We are all sinners saved ONLY by grace.

hf
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Yes it is very frustrating and unjust of them. The word of God says we all sin, only Yeshua the spotless lamb didn't.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. 1 John 1:8-10 2:1-6
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Re: Why do so many expect perfection from fallible Christian sinners....
because you tell us you are perfect and we are dirty heathens. it seems the entire purpose that christians have in being a christian is to say their shit doesn't stink.

piss off hypocrite.
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Re: Why do so many expect perfection from fallible Christian sinners....
Do you know how hard it is to live Righteously and by following the Commands to the letter 24/7 365? It is hard. We sin everyday just like you do. Give us a break, ok?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37812894


It could be the lack of such grace afforded by the aforementioned towards non-Christians. I'm no expert, however, I do recall the bible Guy saying something along the lines of "The measure we judge others by will be likewise applied to ourselves". Ya live by the sword, ya die by the sword, yes? Most normal people understand how to render slack. I have faith that youse guys can learn this, too ;)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


That refers only to hypocritical judgement in the correct context for the Messiah says this,

Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. John 7:24
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because you tell us you are perfect and we are dirty heathens. it seems the entire purpose that christians have in being a christian is to say their shit doesn't stink.

piss off hypocrite.
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Now I didn't you liar. I never spoke to you in my life.
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Re: Why do so many expect perfection from fallible Christian sinners....
The only differnece is we Christians humble ourselves before Almighty God and try our best to live right, we repent when we sin, at least we try.
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Re: Why do so many expect perfection from fallible Christian sinners....
Do you know how hard it is to live Righteously and by following the Commands to the letter 24/7 365? It is hard. We sin everyday just like you do. Give us a break, ok?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37812894


It could be the lack of such grace afforded by the aforementioned towards non-Christians. I'm no expert, however, I do recall the bible Guy saying something along the lines of "The measure we judge others by will be likewise applied to ourselves". Ya live by the sword, ya die by the sword, yes? Most normal people understand how to render slack. I have faith that youse guys can learn this, too ;)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


That refers only to hypocritical judgement in the correct context for the Messiah says this,

Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. John 7:24
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37812894


Well, there you go - it applies perfectly. The day christers can drop the "we're only human" defense and grasp that we're all in this same boat together, it'll be a definite sign of progress.
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Re: Why do so many expect perfection from fallible Christian sinners....
The only differnece is we Christians humble ourselves before Almighty God and try our best to live right, we repent when we sin, at least we try.
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That's just talk. He wants to see the groceries.
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04/10/2013 09:58 PM
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Re: Why do so many expect perfection from fallible Christian sinners....
OP,

Everyday, it is a spiritual battle.

The world is looking for examples of The Christian. Examples of a renewed life. Of a born again life. Of the wonder of the new creation. This gives man pause. This makes men wonder. Men are looking for fruits of the Spirit. What do they see?

There are many who call themselves Christians. But each tree is known by its fruit and the god of this world will showcase rotten fruit.

The adversary loves a tree which produces rotten fruit. It is a stronghold for him. The adversary does and will use any loses to his advantage.

There is a reason The LORD instructs us to 'be perfect as He is perfect'.... Because there is no place for the adversary to gain a foothold when a man walks in such a place.

There is a reason The LORD instructs us to bear good fruit. Because men can see this. Because good fruit makes men wonder. It draws them to The Light. It is as a light on a hill top. It is as salt which adds flavor and preserves the word of truth.

May we both be perfect. May we both bear good fruit. May we both be salt and light in a dark and rotting world.

peace,
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OP,

Everyday, it is a spiritual battle.

The world is looking for examples of The Christian. Examples of a renewed life. Of a born again life. Of the wonder of the new creation. This gives man pause. This makes men wonder. Men are looking for fruits of the Spirit. What do they see?

There are many who call themselves Christians. But each tree is known by its fruit and the god of this world will showcase rotten fruit.

The adversary loves a tree which produces rotten fruit. It is a stronghold for him. The adversary does and will use any loses to his advantage.

There is a reason The LORD instructs us to 'be perfect as He is perfect'.... Because there is no place for the adversary to gain a foothold when a man walks in such a place.

There is a reason The LORD instructs us to bear good fruit. Because men can see this. Because good fruit makes men wonder. It draws them to The Light. It is as a light on a hill top. It is as salt which adds flavor and preserves the word of truth.

May we both be perfect. May we both bear good fruit. May we both be salt and light in a dark and rotting world.

peace,
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Very true and Amen.
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The only differnece is we Christians humble ourselves before Almighty God and try our best to live right, we repent when we sin, at least we try.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37812894


That's just talk. He wants to see the groceries.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


Groceries? Oh the fruits. tounge
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Re: Why do so many expect perfection from fallible Christian sinners....
Do you know how hard it is to live Righteously and by following the Commands to the letter 24/7 365? It is hard. We sin everyday just like you do. Give us a break, ok?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37812894


It could be the lack of such grace afforded by the aforementioned towards non-Christians. I'm no expert, however, I do recall the bible Guy saying something along the lines of "The measure we judge others by will be likewise applied to ourselves". Ya live by the sword, ya die by the sword, yes? Most normal people understand how to render slack. I have faith that youse guys can learn this, too ;)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


That refers only to hypocritical judgement in the correct context for the Messiah says this,

Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. John 7:24
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37812894


Well, there you go - it applies perfectly. The day christers can drop the "we're only human" defense and grasp that we're all in this same boat together, it'll be a definite sign of progress.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


But we are and we are on different sides of the fence.
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Re: Why do so many expect perfection from fallible Christian sinners....
Because.
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It could be the lack of such grace afforded by the aforementioned towards non-Christians. I'm no expert, however, I do recall the bible Guy saying something along the lines of "The measure we judge others by will be likewise applied to ourselves". Ya live by the sword, ya die by the sword, yes? Most normal people understand how to render slack. I have faith that youse guys can learn this, too ;)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


That refers only to hypocritical judgement in the correct context for the Messiah says this,

Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. John 7:24
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37812894


Well, there you go - it applies perfectly. The day christers can drop the "we're only human" defense and grasp that we're all in this same boat together, it'll be a definite sign of progress.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


But we are and we are on different sides of the fence.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37812894


What "fence"? Christ is the Heir of all, yes?
He said "All [things] are delivered unto me of my Father", right? We have *got* to toss out the Us-versus-Them mindset and learn to be useful. If we can't be a blessing, He won't think twice about finding someone else who's willing to rub elbows with the unwashed masses. I'm just not sure there's much role for anyone who's afraid of getting some icky damnation on their white loafers.
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That refers only to hypocritical judgement in the correct context for the Messiah says this,

Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. John 7:24
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37812894


Well, there you go - it applies perfectly. The day christers can drop the "we're only human" defense and grasp that we're all in this same boat together, it'll be a definite sign of progress.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


But we are and we are on different sides of the fence.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37812894


What "fence"? Christ is the Heir of all, yes?
He said "All [things] are delivered unto me of my Father", right? We have *got* to toss out the Us-versus-Them mindset and learn to be useful. If we can't be a blessing, He won't think twice about finding someone else who's willing to rub elbows with the unwashed masses. I'm just not sure there's much role for anyone who's afraid of getting some icky damnation on their white loafers.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


I have been reunited with the Father, I am no longer a rebel unlike you, I have accepted his sons sacrifice and live my life according to it. If I died today, there would be a good chance of my name being found in the book of life, can you say the same?
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Well, there you go - it applies perfectly. The day christers can drop the "we're only human" defense and grasp that we're all in this same boat together, it'll be a definite sign of progress.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


But we are and we are on different sides of the fence.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37812894


What "fence"? Christ is the Heir of all, yes?
He said "All [things] are delivered unto me of my Father", right? We have *got* to toss out the Us-versus-Them mindset and learn to be useful. If we can't be a blessing, He won't think twice about finding someone else who's willing to rub elbows with the unwashed masses. I'm just not sure there's much role for anyone who's afraid of getting some icky damnation on their white loafers.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


I have been reunited with the Father, I am no longer a rebel unlike you, I have accepted his sons sacrifice and live my life according to it. If I died today, there would be a good chance of my name being found in the book of life, can you say the same?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37812894


Friend, Christ Jesus is my Savior - I couldn't live without Him, if such a state even exists. How do you judge me a rebel? Because I'm done making excuses for our holier-than-thou immaturity, and assert that it's time to put on our grown-up pants and get our shit together?
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That refers only to hypocritical judgement in the correct context for the Messiah says this,

Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. John 7:24
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37812894


Well, there you go - it applies perfectly. The day christers can drop the "we're only human" defense and grasp that we're all in this same boat together, it'll be a definite sign of progress.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


But we are and we are on different sides of the fence.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37812894


What "fence"? Christ is the Heir of all, yes?
He said "All [things] are delivered unto me of my Father", right? We have *got* to toss out the Us-versus-Them mindset and learn to be useful. If we can't be a blessing, He won't think twice about finding someone else who's willing to rub elbows with the unwashed masses. I'm just not sure there's much role for anyone who's afraid of getting some icky damnation on their white loafers.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


True, and if Christ is heir of all, then The Christ will use whichever vessel, whenever, to accomplish His purposes.

Whether it be a mature vessel or an immature one. There are no useless members within the body. Even if our purview suggest otherwise.

If one is a member of the body, then he serves the head and is directed by the Head.

peace,
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Because.
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yes?
1 John 1–3._ 1Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God.

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Re: Why do so many expect perfection from fallible Christian sinners....
Do you know how hard it is to live Righteously and by following the Commands to the letter 24/7 365? It is hard. We sin everyday just like you do. Give us a break, ok?
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Because you never give non-believers a break.

Live as you teach or you're a hypocrite.
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The only differnece is we Christians humble ourselves before Almighty God and try our best to live right, we repent when we sin, at least we try.
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And when non-Christians do the same, you say it doesn't count, doesn't mean anything.
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May all who serve the body continue to strive to be a vessel fit for the master's use.

God Bless.

peace,
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Re: Why do so many expect perfection from fallible Christian sinners....
Judgement is killing someone. Denying them the chance at salvation. Righteous judgment comes from God and him alone. Anything otherwise blasphemes His Spirit and puts you in the same boat as Satan. Feel free to rebuke if you can back it up with the words of Christ or the Decalogue. None of this wah,wah your judging me,me,me,self,self,self. However, if you do rebuke someone, make sure there ain't a 2*4 sticking out of your eye when you reach for that splinter. Judge not that ye be not judged. Live by the sword die by the sword. He who is without sin cast the first stone. Or better yet: Thou shalt not kill. Have many ways does He have to explain it and still every religion still kills or judges in His name!!

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