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Anyone ever come off this drug and lived to tell the tale brain zap free? Ive taken fex for a long while and at a large dose. I'm currently going cold turkey (375mg to 0)but if anecdotal evidence is anything to go by, I have significant problems ahead.

If you have had a brain shiver, or several hundred, you will know how misanthropic and coldly chemical they are.
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Anyone ever come off this drug and lived to tell the tale brain zap free? Ive taken fex for a long while and at a large dose. I'm currently going cold turkey (375mg to 0)but if anecdotal evidence is anything to go by, I have significant problems ahead.

If you have had a brain shiver, or several hundred, you will know how misanthropic and coldly chemical they are.
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You are a dumbass for ever taking that shit and you will die of stupidity anyway.Go for it.
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Anyone ever come off this drug and lived to tell the tale brain zap free? Ive taken fex for a long while and at a large dose. I'm currently going cold turkey (375mg to 0)but if anecdotal evidence is anything to go by, I have significant problems ahead.

If you have had a brain shiver, or several hundred, you will know how misanthropic and coldly chemical they are.
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You are a dumbass for ever taking that shit and you will die of stupidity anyway.Go for it.
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Easy on man, the dudes got enough shit to deal with
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Anyone ever come off this drug and lived to tell the tale brain zap free? Ive taken fex for a long while and at a large dose. I'm currently going cold turkey (375mg to 0)but if anecdotal evidence is anything to go by, I have significant problems ahead.

If you have had a brain shiver, or several hundred, you will know how misanthropic and coldly chemical they are.
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You are a dumbass for ever taking that shit and you will die of stupidity anyway.Go for it.
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My IQ is way above you, you shame of America.

When you say go for it, what do you even mean?

Finally, is dumb ass a whole word?

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in Xanax withdrawals right now, no brain zaps yet but i have had them and they're terrifying! I know that coming off xanax can cause seizures, i hate how beneficial these chemicals are but at the same time they are so dangerous and bring you into the depths of hell once you stop taking them cold turkey or even just when waning off of them. Done it so many times i'm getting tired of withdrawals and the hell that they bring. Good Luck brother, you'll make it through, but yeah brain zaps are the scariest thing I've ever experienced, i thought i was about to or was having a seizure. I'm scared right now just thinking about and knowing what lies ahead. Damn poisons from the devil himself. They give you the relief you need and help you immensely but at the same time they are just covering up the real problem and dragging you down a hellish path.
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Yep tough drug....crazy for doing cold turkey though.
I highly recommend Virgin, Non Refined, Non Hydrogenated coconut oil.....
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U CANNOT GO OFF THEM COLD TURKEY!! DO NOT DO IT!
I have been on them for 15 years, and even if i try to take one every other day.. I get the brain ZZZZzzzzzzzzzaps
and more...it must be done VERY slowly....you need to ask your
doctor...trust me......I want to go off....and need to ask about it....I have to go to a clinic tho...
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Don't go cold turkey. Wean yourself off slowly over one or two months by removing a few pellets from the capsule. Just start by removing 5 or 6 pellets and then a few more every few days. even then you may have a few shivers. Please be careful getting off this stuff.
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in Xanax withdrawals right now, no brain zaps yet but i have had them and they're terrifying! I know that coming off xanax can cause seizures, i hate how beneficial these chemicals are but at the same time they are so dangerous and bring you into the depths of hell once you stop taking them cold turkey or even just when waning off of them. Done it so many times i'm getting tired of withdrawals and the hell that they bring. Good Luck brother, you'll make it through, but yeah brain zaps are the scariest thing I've ever experienced, i thought i was about to or was having a seizure. I'm scared right now just thinking about and knowing what lies ahead. Damn poisons from the devil himself. They give you the relief you need and help you immensely but at the same time they are just covering up the real problem and dragging you down a hellish path.
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You talk a lot of truth.

I think the zaps are 100% in the same spectrum as epilepsy, which explains the odd seizure in withdrawal.

Venlafaxine saved my life in 2002.

I seriously do have a phenylalaline metabolism thing going on, meaning the precurser to dopamine and norepinephrine is royally cunted. Dop and Nor are the forgotten neurotransmitters in big pharma's serotonin sick care.
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Anyone ever come off this drug and lived to tell the tale brain zap free? Ive taken fex for a long while and at a large dose. I'm currently going cold turkey (375mg to 0)but if anecdotal evidence is anything to go by, I have significant problems ahead.

If you have had a brain shiver, or several hundred, you will know how misanthropic and coldly chemical they are.
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Definitely do not want to cold turkey off effexor.

It might take 6months to a year to safely come off it.

I support you coming off it, but I do not wish to see you injure yourself in the process.

Talk to the doctors and insist that you wish to come off it safely.
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U CANNOT GO OFF THEM COLD TURKEY!! DO NOT DO IT!
I have been on them for 15 years, and even if i try to take one every other day.. I get the brain ZZZZzzzzzzzzzaps
and more...it must be done VERY slowly....you need to ask your
doctor...trust me......I want to go off....and need to ask about it....I have to go to a clinic tho...
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Im a few days in now man, but i do appreciate the warnings. Getting blasted by zaps every living ssecond, but if i was to taper, it would take me 10 weeks @ 37.5 per week. Fuck that man.

I start an MAOI on monday, are you familiar with them?
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Anyone ever come off this drug and lived to tell the tale brain zap free? Ive taken fex for a long while and at a large dose. I'm currently going cold turkey (375mg to 0)but if anecdotal evidence is anything to go by, I have significant problems ahead.

If you have had a brain shiver, or several hundred, you will know how misanthropic and coldly chemical they are.
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I weened off Prozac after three years the brain shivers are the worst but they do go away good luck. And to the asshole being judgemental about taking a prescription drug. I wouldn't be here now had I not taken it so fuck u. They do help some people u critical dickwad
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From my experience with people who "stop taking it".

About a week later they fucking freak out. Psycho evil, hateful, vengeful and will not understand really why they are so angry.

Liabilities include: Losing your job, losing and or damaging relationships you do not want to hurt.

Generally creating situations that are harder to deal with than weening off.

Seriously, just ween off.
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Anyone ever come off this drug and lived to tell the tale brain zap free? Ive taken fex for a long while and at a large dose. I'm currently going cold turkey (375mg to 0)but if anecdotal evidence is anything to go by, I have significant problems ahead.

If you have had a brain shiver, or several hundred, you will know how misanthropic and coldly chemical they are.
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Definitely do not want to cold turkey off effexor.

It might take 6months to a year to safely come off it.

I support you coming off it, but I do not wish to see you injure yourself in the process.

Talk to the doctors and insist that you wish to come off it safely.
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Thanks for your concern, can you just tell me what you mean by safely? Im at the stage of tachyphylaxis, and will start a broad spectrum neurotransmitter apathist (MAOI) on monday

For the record, a few 100 mgs of magnesium and ten to twenty of thousnd milligrams of ascorbic acid (vitamin c) helps with the zaps.
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Please don't go cold Turkey. It's very dangerous.

Best of luck. Try omega 3 and vitamin b complex. I understand that can be helpful during the withdrawal... but lower the dosage sloooowly.
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Anyone ever come off this drug and lived to tell the tale brain zap free? Ive taken fex for a long while and at a large dose. I'm currently going cold turkey (375mg to 0)but if anecdotal evidence is anything to go by, I have significant problems ahead.

If you have had a brain shiver, or several hundred, you will know how misanthropic and coldly chemical they are.
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If you start talking like ase ienouy ladyo neydh oah! #iand i1.. then you will know asd eoannefv that something is very asoewer wrong. Also if your speech is like that.
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From my experience with people who "stop taking it".

About a week later they fucking freak out. Psycho evil, hateful, vengeful and will not understand really why they are so angry.

Liabilities include: Losing your job, losing and or damaging relationships you do not want to hurt.

Generally creating situations that are harder to deal with than weening off.

Seriously, just ween off.
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Great advice. I cant condemn any of it.

But to cut a long and convoluted story short, I am now (was not for years) an ultra rapid cyp 450 2d6 liver enzyme metaboliser. That means my body hoovers up venlafaxine and barfs it out just as quickley. So because I get brain zaps a few hours after taking the ven, I'm kinda in a constant state of withdrawal anyway.
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Anyone ever come off this drug and lived to tell the tale brain zap free? Ive taken fex for a long while and at a large dose. I'm currently going cold turkey (375mg to 0)but if anecdotal evidence is anything to go by, I have significant problems ahead.

If you have had a brain shiver, or several hundred, you will know how misanthropic and coldly chemical they are.
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If you start talking like ase ienouy ladyo neydh oah! #iand i1.. then you will know asd eoannefv that something is very asoewer wrong. Also if your speech is like that.
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Bless the thick as pig shit. Amen.

Also, why can you not write properly?
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Please don't go cold Turkey. It's very dangerous.

Best of luck. Try omega 3 and vitamin b complex. I understand that can be helpful during the withdrawal... but lower the dosage sloooowly.
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Lots of folk swear by the omega 3 therapy. 10 grams or more. C in huge quantities, magnesium, malic acid, and like you said the b's are other treatments Ive read about.

I honestly thought when I stated this thread that it would attract the evil fuckheads, but i've only had a couple of dicks, and they had the combined IQ of a slug.
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Day 17 venlafaxine free.

10's of grams of fish oil, ascorbic acids at no less than 20,000mgs in day, all the b's at values of 50mg/ug x 6 in day ,and magnesium chloride at 300 mg in day.

All good.
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Been off effexor for 6 months after taking it for 8 years at a 300mg dose. Brainzaps lasted about 6 weeks after final dose and I am still getting the occational one now.
I would strongly advise you to taper down slowly as the possibility of severe and life threatening side affects is very high. Goodluck my friend!
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I was on Effexor about 7 years ago and came asked to come off it because it was causing too many unpleasant side effects. As I remember, my shrink had me take small amounts of Prozac while he tapered me off the Effexor. I did have some of the dreaded brain zaps, but they were worse while ON Effexor than when tapering down.

As for Xanax, after years of a daily does for panic disorder and agoraphobia, I asked the shrink to switch me to Klonopin. We did it by tapering Xanax while taking small amounts of Klonopin. Klonopin doesn't give me the immediate peace that Xanax does, but it's much longer lasting and much more mellow and, as long as I have the panic and agoraphobia under control, it works for me.

Prozac works well for me as well 60mg per day for the panic/agoraphobia/depression. After taking nearly every antidepressant in the pharmacy, I've found what works for me and the doseage that works.

I think the key to the use of psychiatric drugs is to realize that they are a very individualized matter. No one reacts the same way as someone else. So, it's super important to have a really good shrink who doesn't just write prescriptions but listens to your problems and manages your meds. Believe me, there was a time when I thought I'd never be able to live a "normal" life. I'll never be "normal" because that would be very boring, but I'm not ruled by my phobias and fears either.

Good luck. Don't pay attention to those who say "just pull yourself up by your bootstraps." They have never suffered from true panic disorder or depression. This is a physical illness just like diabetes is a physical illness. There should be no shame in it nor in seeking help through medication.
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Oh wow cold quiting 375mg a day after so many years.. thats gotta be tough, well done.

8 months of efexor @ 75mg per day here with 3-4 wks of weirdness at the start and also if I delay a dose. Never had the like with fluoxetine or citalopram so when I googled fex side-effects and saw the term "brain zap" it was an ahah moment. Something my doctor never warned me of but nonetheless I read up on it and saw no reason to freak. It's a personal call one makes, like going cold turkey.

Seemed to me the symptoms were more disconcerting than a discomfort. Decided I could suck it up, was suffering more in other ways to have been prescribed it anyhow. It does take the edge off good while I sort myself out. An effective tool worth a little grief now for the longer benefit. Such is life and each to his own.

Best of luck to ya
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Day 17 venlafaxine free.

10's of grams of fish oil, ascorbic acids at no less than 20,000mgs in day, all the b's at values of 50mg/ug x 6 in day ,and magnesium chloride at 300 mg in day.

All good.
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Thank you for following up with your journey. Glad to hear you're good hf .
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Been off effexor for 6 months after taking it for 8 years at a 300mg dose. Brainzaps lasted about 6 weeks after final dose and I am still getting the occational one now.
I would strongly advise you to taper down slowly as the possibility of severe and life threatening side affects is very high. Goodluck my friend!
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I was on effexor for a short time just to get weaned off Pristiq and had the zaps for four and a half months. After that I decided that I never wanted ANY of those drugs in my system ever again. Anything that clangs around in your brain for that long after you stop it can't be good. Indescribable feeling (and sound).
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Every time that I hear that song "Titanium"s hook (after she says I am titanium twice) remi ds me of how it feels inside of my body goi.g through withdrawal...

dont pay attention to the song, just the music after the hook
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hey from someone who knows about this drug from being prescribed 10 years ago afterwards i turned into health and fitness guru....
I may be the only person to have quit "sideffexor" cold turkey that I have known of or heard of, but I for one would not take No from the doctors,
In the 3 weeks of withdrawl i was arrested for public disturbance once and was very emotional about many things, I cried maybe 6-7 times about things and had quite a few fits of rage which included breaking things, other then that after about a month my life was some what back to normal and after 3 months i was back to normal aside from its toxic effects on my body which have took many years of eating superfoods and reverting the body ph back to alkaline.
I often believe some current day problems could be assoiated with these pharma drugs... word of the wise get off all pharma drugs, they will tell you to switch to something else but then you will just have to deal with the side effects of two toxic chemical vs one. I accomplished this in my youth when i did not have a career to attend. I also smoked a lot of B.C. bud which got rid of the withdrawls.

just my advice, It makes you a different person and can make you do wrong things but being on it another day is bad too..
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hey from someone who knows about this drug from being prescribed 10 years ago afterwards i turned into health and fitness guru....
I may be the only person to have quit "sideffexor" cold turkey that I have known of or heard of, but I for one would not take No from the doctors,
In the 3 weeks of withdrawl i was arrested for public disturbance once and was very emotional about many things, I cried maybe 6-7 times about things and had quite a few fits of rage which included breaking things, other then that after about a month my life was some what back to normal and after 3 months i was back to normal aside from its toxic effects on my body which have took many years of eating superfoods and reverting the body ph back to alkaline.
I often believe some current day problems could be assoiated with these pharma drugs... word of the wise get off all pharma drugs, they will tell you to switch to something else but then you will just have to deal with the side effects of two toxic chemical vs one. I accomplished this in my youth when i did not have a career to attend. I also smoked a lot of B.C. bud which got rid of the withdrawls.

just my advice, It makes you a different person and can make you do wrong things but being on it another day is bad too..
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I did bc I didn't know I had to ween.

Worked in the kitchen of a French restaurant during it too...
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quit paxil cold turkey. Had serious brain zaps for a few weeks, major ones for a few more weeks, moderate ones for a few weeks, then mild ones for about a month.

Then every time I smoked weed for about a year.

It can be done. And they say the shit is non habit forming. I call those withdraws..........
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Have not heard of venlafaxine for years.
I knew an Irish psychiatrist who was very keen on it around the years 1999-2000.

He really thought it would be a wonderful drug, talked about its dual action, tried to get me work with a company that pays you to pre-write letters to the editors of medical journals about a particular drug. You write it, a doc signs it, and both of you get paid, was the deal.

I never got hired or paid, but venlafaxine was the drug I was asked to write about.

So it was a terrible stew of a drug after all. . .


I got all weird and impulsive on Cipro. Found out later Cipro can cause suicidal ideation. I can understand that. . .

OP stay near help. Keep informed and keep what you need handy, whether that is juice to fight hypoglycemia, or water with salt for hydration, or the phone number of a friend you can call anytime.

Good luck.

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I'm sure I'll be called a shill for saying this, but I was taking 375 mg Effexor every day for a year and a half. I ran out one day, and just forgot about it. I never had any ill effects, and the depression I was using them to treat never came back. I can honestly say that after trying everything (exercise, church, diet, vitamins, etc.) this shit really helped me, when all the other anti-depressants I'd tried didn't work, and worse, made me unbearably tired or even more depressed.

I understand my experience is the exception to the rule, though, and I'm sure it does suck to get the "brain zaps." I've read many, many accounts of people who experience this when stopping SNRI's and I'm thankful I'm not one of them. I will also say, I think they are WAY over-prescribed and it concerns me (and should concern others) that their mode of action is largely unknown, along with any long-term side effects. It's been 9 years since I stopped taking them, and I've noticed no side-effects whatsoever.

I realize you posted this some time ago, but here's hoping you're feeling better by now!

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