why is suicide illegal? a sin? and massively frowned upon in western ideals?

because its what happens to u when u do something very wrong

I'm not really following ya but I agree that one can check out if they wish too. Just don't take anyone with you on your way out. And that death is wrongly feared in the modern world. As if it's a disease. It's as natural as birth.

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If your cattle decided to commit suicide you would put a stop to it. If it became a problem with your cattle committing suicide you would impose harsh measures to keep them from attempting it.

Because idiocy shouldn't be tolerated

If there is a God, which I doubt, he/she does hate me. I was desperate enough to ask it for help, when I needed it badly. Did it help? No, it did not. Probably because a) it doesn't exist, or 2) it doesn't care. Worst case scenario, it actually hates me, like I think it does, and wants me to suffer, which I do, every day, since the day I was born. You talk about cancer, well hell, I was born with cancer. I wish it had killed me. Unfortunately I'm still here. I've been fighting against suicide, the act, for a very long time, now. I guess I stay for one person, my woman. If not for her, I would already be gone. But good to know that now I don't have to worry about God hating me, since you said so.

How the fuck can it be illegal ? how do you arrest a dead person >
i tried suicide once , never do it agin , nearly fuckin killed meself!

This made me LoL, best AC ever.

''now, just as an addendum, leaving in a state of anger/rage/illusion/resentment/delusional bliss/and anything other than a state of neutrality and knowing, will probably not be the best of transitions. WHICH, is something you probably won't hear, again, i dunno, ether way, i would be emotionally calm/stable and fully aware if i were to exit of my own will.''

^This is what everyone needs to take from OP's post^

They focus on suicide prevention as a means of distraction from fear of death. Once we realize there is no reason to fear death, but instead to welcome it, suicide would take on a whole new meaning.
We would realize that we shouldn't need suicide, only in a material world like this would 'suicide' even exist. Then we would start questioning why we pay for food & gas & are forced to 'Live' for death.

OP's above statement is perfect, the more adamant about your beliefs & feelings, the more emotional you are & tied to this world. DUALITY IS TOTALLY UNNATURAL.

When you die, if the first thing you think is 'OH NO MY TV!' OR 'ZOMG DID THE LAKERS WIN', you're on a one way ticket back to Hell(urth).

Personally, (assuming Jesus is not 100% fictional)
I think Jesus, probably an ET of some sort, let himself die on the cross to be reborn into the urth-system, & that single jesus-soul has been recreating over & over since then until it is the perfect enlightened soul & becomes aware of our true plight. So until that reincarnated Jesus-soul dies, & frees humanity with the realization of..reality.. we're all stuck here.

I should also mention that I'm that Jesus soul, so as soon as WW3 starts & I get nuked the F up, we can all go 5D!!

we don't want to save the suicidal, we want to discredit them.

it is not illegal to commit suicide. can't convict a dead person. if they could, death penalty?

it is illegal to fail to commit suicide

Because you are damaging commercial property that belongs to the Vatican and everyone does that by consent when they admit to their legal fiction signature.

whats the pits to lose someone u have brainwashed for so many years or to end its life before it began because u knew what his life was?

It's illegal to damage a "tax paying unit", everyone knows that.

Well I will say whatever we are doing in the west is working in regards to suicide. We have it somewhat under control as compared to the rest of the world. In parts of asia and africa it is out of control and considered normal to take the easy way out. Im athiest so I dont worry about the sin part, but I think its a pretty cowardly thing to do to those around you that care for you. Also life is a gift and its ashame you let your one chance to experience it go to waste whatever the reason. I will say if the media has its way suicide will be accepted here like it is in other parts of the world. Just look at that girl in california that commited suicide, everyone wants to blame everyone else but the bottom line is she did that to herself and her parents. They will never be the same now they will suffer every day. Bottom line is suicide is bad and should be shunned by every culture.

Only if you believe in the religious concept of sin and afterlife punishment, which I personally don't. Anyway, think about your progenitors and all those people that genuinely care about you. Suicide can heavely impact the lifes of those around you.

I can absolutely see your point, OP. I would also think it would depend on the state of mind of a person, which determines the transition. I know there is no punishing god. we do enough of that to ourselves through guilt and fear. I do know, though, that we can attain a higher consciousness while on earth. It's not a process of achieving within the many myriads of churches littering the earth. It's all within, but it begins with compassion for self.

When you commit suicide you cannot pay taxes on your slave labour or borrow money. Worse, if you are in debt, the banksters lose out.

Sorry Bud, I just jumped in, posted then saw yours.

It is murder.

Damn beet me to it. Most law makers are completely retarded.

COps: don't jump sir come down and we'll take you to a nice jail cell!

typos.. i was talking about scalar/fractal reality, everything makes up everything else, everything is just a different scale representation of everything else. half of something consciousness is used for itself, and then the other half of its consciousness is used to make up the larger part of itself. all the cells have their own consciousness and experience, but, they also collectively together, half of their consciousness together makes up the larger part of themselves(say a tissue or organ). um, same with us, half of our consciousness is for ourselves, half of the collective whole makes up the larger part of us(our race, the life on earth, the earth). Therefor everything is linked. no typos there. why did i explain that, it made the next paragraph come together(in first reply)

writing this after writing everything below, but, the last paragraph i wrote in this reply. That overwhelming love, where, well, if you can feel the breeze in your hair, as in, if you can feel the wind with your energy body, and, it resounds with your soul, then you'll know what i'm talking about when i saw to know god/yourself, to have that feeling that just overwhelms you and every part of you. i do not 'believe' in god, i KNOW it. yet... my reality doesn't allow this right now. for years(4???) i had just enough to not starve and still save every large sum of money i obtained. for a year i was fortunate enough to travel and stay in a few pure wilderness places, as, my 'window' for that state of being i was in relative to the life i was living was coming to a close, or, i guess properly, was being closed. therefore, i set out to find a new place. now that i've 'come back' and have a 'better job' and 'make good money', i felt myself being torn apart, aaall that i had become aware of within me and everyone was going into hibernation(its not gone, i just can't deal with all that.. input and function in 'normal human spaces'). Point though, 'love' is not really with me right now, and i know thats because i 'fell off my path' or am no longer on the narrow path. but, i don't blame myself, its ssoo complex how all that worked out, but POINT, if i can't be love, and you have to know what i'm talking about when i say love, as in the consciousness of love. Then there is no point in this place here, because, love is all there is, i come into it every now and then, but, its also funny to. Homeopathic in effect, i've completely given up all physical goals, or dreams, or aspiration for material possession(had very little before, but yeah), or even about my 'body', i mean i'm about as 'healthy' mind/lifestyled as they come and i'm now no longer worried about 'further improvement' or staying in it. i'm going to use this current situation to save a little again and then set out either to stay in some 'out of the way place' or just exit. Again, i know love, if i can't be it, then, this whole experience is just.. well meaningless.

You see, the man they called Jesus, he was in that state aalll the time, its our natural way, and once you come into it, you get what that man was saying. Its also why he always moved from place to place, in this reality you have to, that spontaneity is essential for staying within that state of being.

hmm.. i dunno, normally i don't do that whole 'personal narrative' thing, but, felt like i needed to convey that, maybe to 'flesh out' a point, but, its a curious thing either way.


Yes, see, thats what i'm thinking, and, i'm not saying everyone goes out and offs themselves, and i would never kill or influence another. Yet there are plenty of examples of animal suicide, because animals KNOW themselves entirely, they realize life much more wholly than common man, therefore they realize if life to them gets so painful and frivolous, they realize the other part of life awaits them and they don't have to stay around while they are being virtually tortured. People will become slaves if their lives are threatened, because of the fear of the unknown. Anywho, yeah, i'm kinda picking up on that, its like there is SSOOO much against suicide, but, if you do have one of those paths where you are just beaten and beaten and beaten yet are strong willed, do love yourself, and do not victimize yourself.. well..


lol, thank you for keeping this light hearted. Yeah, its not much like it used to be. there are no hard laws against self imposed suicide anymore, aside from some 'common law' type deals, and then obviously assisted suicides, and of coarse any 'law official' being able to legally do whatever is 'necessary' to stop you from committing the act upon yourself.



:) yeah brother, god does not hate you. go to youtube, look up this youtube channel 'jonathanlives' and listen to 'the healing begins now'. i bet that might put some things in perspective.

You know its weird though.. i'm like i described, i don't feel like a victim, i love truly, and i know i'm powerful, yet, i am just done with war on any level. and i'm having a hard time perceiving a way to live in harmony here, so, when i was younger i was hit REALLY hard, because i just have a really loving soul. suicide was a normal part of my thought process(well, weekly, monthly) but also didn't help the medication and garbage diet i was on as an infant(single digits). ssoo, i'm explaining this, because.. that whole' "ooff, but your spiritual path" bs, funny thing is, as i'm considering like, 'taking the long walk' aalll these really funny things started happening in my reality, like this comment. its like. lol.. "oohh hheey, look, see, you have 'purpose' in being here see, look, you can 'stick around and help' see, see what you just did there for thatperson. ..yeah.. according to my ego. anyways, just reaaalllyyy funny how that works, and its like... uuhh.. yeah, duh. :D
Seriously tho man, GOD DOES NOT HATE YOU, IT LOVES YOU. the problem is like i described in my first response. we are in a reality where all these things prey upon you and impose on your soul, and its screwed up and 'wrong', but its healing. it is, i know that sounds cliche', but it is.


Yeah, i guess thats like the best a human mind can conceptualize what i'm saying without actually experiencing it first, to go in that state(only, i'd be in the real setting, not a projection on a screen/surface)

However, i reply with this [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
I will fight no more forever. I'm just waiting right now, unfortunately my 'window' closed about a year ago so i set out to find a 'space' to exist in for a little while longer to navigate a few more things but it didn't end up working out entirely. Which, like, is kinda funny how much of a rollercoaster its been and how many shifts i've unintentionally put myself through spiritually as i've "reintegrated" into society.. ..its immense how unaware most people are, i mean, like on all level. Talk with a deaf man without knowing any sign language and you'll know what i'm saying. ssoo much 'goes on' and is exchanged in life that people are just.. well. to hardened to perceive, i mean, i get little kids(especially really little ones) a lot better now, i can imagine how traumatic life would be for that innocent soul which we should be able to tell everything thats going on with, yet its like wtf, why can't you understand me, what the hell is this place i'm in, why don't these people feel me, and then grows up in that space... mmm.



i'm not attacking you, don't take it like that, but, its odd you talk about dismantling the ego but make statement about being better or smarter than others? i'm just confused about that. anywho. Jesus was just a man as he mentioned, thats it, nothing special about this person, there are others like him, if you read the ringing cedar books you'll see one, or listen to the adampants uploads, ooorrr, if you do as i have and come to know the command of love and how it just overwhelms you in ways that are indescribable via linear language. Actually, look up "jesus knew how to ride a bike" and listen to that its like 9mins(its on youtube, can be found also via google). Jesus had spirit with him, Jesus knew intuition, he knew love, simply put, he had the guidance of spirit, that came from within him and since 'god' knows all, it is wwaayyy more than willing to impart all knowledge upon you, yet, intuitions allows access to all, so, in a moment, you can express ANYTHING, and always individual to a specific person in that moment. i know this, i've experienced the spirit coming through me for another.


lol, had to read over that like twice before i realized what was going on, again, thanks for keeping it light hearted.


let the dead bury the dead brother, there is the misconception, life is a gift, but, if your life is sssooo imposed upon, and your essence if torn away from you, then there is NOTHING(well, yeah) that is going to/can be angry with you for taking your leave. Life never ends, and attachment ruins everything, if you know love truly, you don't have to learn to let go, because you already know.


and unfortunately, and i do not say this in any way shape or form to lift myself above ANYTHING else, but, this 'higher state' or as i've come to know a normal state, am one of what seem to be vveerry few in the world, again, i don't have to believe in any god, i know god. However, right now, and, for some time now(to long) i have not 'known god' and i'm aware of reasons for this, but, i'm having a very difficult time being able to 'see' avenues in which i'll be able to persist in this place while continuing to be the love i know and so fully filled every part of my being just month ago and then came so harshly crashing down and torn away(as i felt and wrestled with certain entities), so very quickly. and as my solar plexus churned warning me of my surrounding and 'choice of home'(funniest thing is, its where i grew up and lived all my life) i could not feel any place to go to, nor did i really have the means to. Believe me, i am no laymen, and i am not in fear, but, i am done with war.

Okay, I did as you said. There are apparently 27 videos to watch. If I don't feel better after, I can kill myself then?

pay attention to what i was saying in the first post, and what someone else reinforced. Do not leave this world in anything other than a calm collected non resentful state.

This.

A dead slave is no longer a slave

Why wouldn't it be? You're wasting the greatest gift anyone could ever receive... Life. Life is sacred and should be cherished.

Suicide will not be tolerate in spirit.

What i said might seem egotistical while preaching ego destruction, but I have reached a point of enlightenment. I fully accept our material slave state & how unnatural our existence is. I take no value in anything, am completely selfless, overly giving & attentive to those around me, & own almost no material goods.

Taking offense, having bias, having political views, feeling your level of income has importance, judging someone about anything material (I.e. everything revolving around us in this hellhole) are all examples of long term conditioning & false ego creation.

You should really check out all the links in my sig.

Until we stop paying for food/gas/life we are doomed to suffer in the reincarnation matrix. We will never know for sure how long our race has actually been here or why but the fact that we are is inherently wrong.


It makes me sick to see all the "ZOMG CARBON BASED LIFE & IPHONES ARE THE GREATEST GIFT EVARRR!!!!!?!&;47?,"

Wake the fuck up people, this isn't life, this is death

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