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oops I dit it AGAIN. CME HIKES GOLD AND SILVER MARGINS ALMOST 20% TODAY! Gold and silver keep CARSHING

 
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Seen this routine before. Think that this time, though, it may have an unexpected result. Instead of smashing gold and silver it may decouple the physical and paper prices permanently.

Everyone and his dog knows that the COMEX and NG banks of Netherlands aren't paying out to longs with real metal. Paper certificate was all you got and now the Netherlands' banks aren't giving that, even. Like the COMEX they just give the paper price. They still charge the monthly storage fees, though!

They smashed gold down hard when the Treasury Exchequer, Gordon Brown, sold off the bulk of Britain's gold hoard to private hands at around $300 an ounce in, IIRC, 1999. That was madness. Who twisted his arm to sell off the country's hoard at that price? And why did he get made PM after that? Was that his payoff? And who was the secret buyer?

Sometimes you just gotta wonder what's going on in the back rooms.
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Anyone who thinks silver is a hedge in times of crisis is a fool, and can't read a chart. It tanks harder and longer than any other asset when TSHTF. Look at the mortgage crisis in 08, it went down 60% in no time. Silver is a market to be played based on seasonality. I am a self professed silver bug and have been investing in this market since silver was 4 bucks. I've made a killing, because I see it for what it is: an asset that magnifies gold's moves. Not an insurance policy, or a safe haven. Quite the opposite.
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There is already a shortage of physical silver to purchase. This will compound the shortage & make the distinction between paper & physical more obvious.
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I've been into precious metals for a quite a long time and it was very similar in 2008/early 2009 when precious metals fell through the floor.

Yes, there were shortages....at first. But after a few weeks , people realized that the prices weren't going anywhere fast, the supply loosened up and retails prices began to track spot price again.

Anytime the price falls really hard, people have to get through the initial shock of what happened, then they accept and everybody goes on with life.
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Anyone who thinks silver is a hedge in times of crisis is a fool, and can't read a chart. It tanks harder and longer than any other asset when TSHTF. Look at the mortgage crisis in 08, it went down 60% in no time. Silver is a market to be played based on seasonality. I am a self professed silver bug and have been investing in this market since silver was 4 bucks. I've made a killing, because I see it for what it is: an asset that magnifies gold's moves. Not an insurance policy, or a safe haven. Quite the opposite.
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maybe you're right, but I'm buying later this week anyway 5a
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"ALL US WHOLESALERS SOLD OUT OF ALL PHYSICAL SILVER!!!"
April 15, 2013

[link to silverdoctors.com]

wtf
go long on popcorn...
rp
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I just checked Tulving and Bullion Direct, two of the biggest dealers. BOTH have all the silver in stock you could want. Plus tons on Ebay, and you can always buy right from Comex if you're a high roller.

No wonder it's so easy to make money in this market, given the naivety of the average silver investor.
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ok, then it could be hype to stop them having to sell so cheap when they know its about to hit roof?? (says me a novice who's well out of his depth to comprehend it...!)
rp
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Buy in high teens sometime between late May and August. Sell for 35-45 in December-January. Rinse and repeat. If a crisis comes up and it really tanks, swallow hard and load the boat. I've done this TWELVE years in a row and it has made me money EVERY SINGLE TIME.

Keep a small core holding too.....
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Ye scraps up too, so I'm selling my gld and slv and building a bomb shelter and putting it on wheels so if the N Koreans attack they will just think its one of their assault vehicles.hidingdance

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Paper to zero.

Physical gold to $5,000
Silver to $200
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SS, what they are doing now, is making sure we have a complete divergence between paper and physical... They want to collapse it!!!
 Quoting: MaxMad


This morning, with spot around $25, Silvertowne had generic buffalo bars listed at $26 (albiet, impossible to order).

Tonight, with spot below $22.50, Silvertowne has the same generic bar listed for $27.20.

Spot falls $3.50... price goes up $1.20.

The divergence is happening. Get whatever you can while you can get it.

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"ALL US WHOLESALERS SOLD OUT OF ALL PHYSICAL SILVER!!!"
April 15, 2013

[link to silverdoctors.com]

wtf
go long on popcorn...
rp
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I just checked Tulving and Bullion Direct, two of the biggest dealers. BOTH have all the silver in stock you could want. Plus tons on Ebay, and you can always buy right from Comex if you're a high roller.

No wonder it's so easy to make money in this market, given the naivety of the average silver investor.
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ok, then it could be hype to stop them having to sell so cheap when they know its about to hit roof?? (says me a novice who's well out of his depth to comprehend it...!)
rp
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Gainesville Coins is pretty much depleted.

Even generic rounds are not available for delivery until after the first of May. Most bullion is simply sold out.
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It cracks me up that you tards think there is a difference between "paper" and physical metals.

Talking about "they" are burning the "paper" market.

IT'S ALL THE SAME.

You are just trying to justify your investment. Classic male ego.

Have fun losing it all :)
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"ALL US WHOLESALERS SOLD OUT OF ALL PHYSICAL SILVER!!!"
April 15, 2013

[link to silverdoctors.com]

wtf
go long on popcorn...
rp
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I just checked Tulving and Bullion Direct, two of the biggest dealers. BOTH have all the silver in stock you could want. Plus tons on Ebay, and you can always buy right from Comex if you're a high roller.

No wonder it's so easy to make money in this market, given the naivety of the average silver investor.
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is that you Blythe Masters? chuckle
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It cracks me up that you tards think there is a difference between "paper" and physical metals.

Talking about "they" are burning the "paper" market.

IT'S ALL THE SAME.

You are just trying to justify your investment. Classic male ego.

Have fun losing it all :)
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Just checked my bloomers -- I seem to be missing something.

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Life is karma and karma always reflects both past and present circumstance. Our time here is short, so choose carefully and behave well, for all of your tomorrows are presently being decided.

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It cracks me up that you tards think there is a difference between "paper" and physical metals.

Talking about "they" are burning the "paper" market.

IT'S ALL THE SAME.

You are just trying to justify your investment. Classic male ego.

Have fun losing it all :)
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Just checked my bloomers -- I seem to be missing something.

cool2
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And funny too simply amazing...
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I just checked Tulving and Bullion Direct, two of the biggest dealers. BOTH have all the silver in stock you could want.
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Try again.

2013 Sealed Mint Boxes Of 1 Oz. Silver American Eagles - Brand New Coins
500 Coin Minimum
Sold Out

2013 Sealed Mint Boxes Of 1 Oz. Silver American Eagles "San Francisco Mint"
500 Coin Minimum
Sold Out

90% Silver Coin Bags (Our Choice Dimes Or Quarters) $1,000 Face Value
Figured at 715 Ozs Per $1,000 Face
Sold Out

90% Silver Coin Bags 50¢ Half Dollars $1,000 Face Value
We Ship in 2 $500 Face Bags
$1,000 Face Value
Sold Out

90% Silver Coin Bags Walking Liberty Half Dollars $1,000 Face Value
$1,000 Face Value
Sold Out


Golden State Mint 1/2 Oz .999 Morgan BU Silver Rounds - IRA Acceptable
500 Ounce Minimum
(1,000 Rounds)
Sold Out

1 Oz .999 Buffalo BU Silver Rounds - Brand New Rounds - Golden State Mint
500 Coin Minimum
Sold Out


2013 Sealed Mint Boxes Of 1 Oz. Silver Canadian Mapleleaf - Brand New Coins
500 Coin Minimum
Sold Out

2013 Sealed Mint Boxes Of 1 Oz. Silver American Eagles - Brand New Coins
500 Coin Minimum
Sold Out

2013 Sealed Mint Boxes Of 1 Oz. Silver American Eagles "San Francisco Mint"
500 Coin Minimum
Sold Out

2013 San Francisco 1 Oz Silver Eagle PCGS Graded MS70 First Strike
70 Coin Minimum
Sold Out

[link to tulving.com]
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"ALL US WHOLESALERS SOLD OUT OF ALL PHYSICAL SILVER!!!"
April 15, 2013

[link to silverdoctors.com]

wtf
go long on popcorn...
rp
 Quoting: rp 38037841


I just checked Tulving and Bullion Direct, two of the biggest dealers. BOTH have all the silver in stock you could want. Plus tons on Ebay, and you can always buy right from Comex if you're a high roller.

No wonder it's so easy to make money in this market, given the naivety of the average silver investor.
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Bullshit. I just checked Tulving and they're sold out of ALL Eagles, maples and 90% silver. The only silver they have are bars and 1 kilo Koalas.
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It cracks me up that you tards think there is a difference between "paper" and physical metals.

Talking about "they" are burning the "paper" market.

IT'S ALL THE SAME.

You are just trying to justify your investment. Classic male ego.

Have fun losing it all :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38040553


Then why, Mr. Smartass, are 1oz silver rounds going for over $32 on ebay when the "official" price is only $22.65?

Answer: Because there is separation forming between paper & physical. Anyone with half a brain can see that.
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It cracks me up that you tards think there is a difference between "paper" and physical metals.

Talking about "they" are burning the "paper" market.

IT'S ALL THE SAME.

You are just trying to justify your investment. Classic male ego.

Have fun losing it all :)
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Just checked my bloomers -- I seem to be missing something.

cool2
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And funny too simply amazing...
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I just checked Mike Maloney is selling below 24$ silver bars

[link to www.anrdoezrs.net]
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I just checked Mike Maloney is selling below 24$ silver bars

[link to www.anrdoezrs.net]
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oops now 24,11$ there! 100 oz canadian silver bar
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It cracks me up that you tards think there is a difference between "paper" and physical metals.

Talking about "they" are burning the "paper" market.

IT'S ALL THE SAME.

You are just trying to justify your investment. Classic male ego.

Have fun losing it all :)
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Just checked my bloomers -- I seem to be missing something.

cool2
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It's just people spouting things they read on the internet. They have no real trading experience but think they are experts because they made some money in a bull market where everybody made money.

Most "experts" on gold have zero real trading experience and have no idea what they are talking about.

I could explain in painful detail, but there's no point.

The people that DO have real trading experience are telling a cover story because they are in on the game.

I have seen hundreds of bubbles in my time and this is one of them.

You "experts" can repeat what you read on the internet all day long, but in the end the proof is in the pudding.

We are currently in the denial phase of the bubble.
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Buying tomorrow, one Chinese panda gold oz.

Possibly one 100oz silver bar. But haven't decided 100% on the silver. Gold looks like it has support down here. Silver looks like it can go under 20 to high teens

Either way both are good buys down here
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It baffles me how many people I see saying that they will get back in at $15ish. You will never be able to find silver that low again.
Silver might take another hit and the charts could drop to $15 but there is ZERO chance that you will be able to buy it for that.

As the price drops the premiums will go up. So even if it hits $15/oz the premiums will be $5 or so and they will get their $20/oz. Does anyone actually think that dealers are going to be selling for $15/oz? Dealers aren't in the business of losing money.

If you want to buy I would suggest buying this week. If you are holding off to buy at $15/oz you might as well stop following PM's because that would require it to hit $10/oz which will never happen again.

Same goes with gold.
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Seen this routine before. Think that this time, though, it may have an unexpected result. Instead of smashing gold and silver it may decouple the physical and paper prices permanently.

Everyone and his dog knows that the COMEX and NG banks of Netherlands aren't paying out to longs with real metal. Paper certificate was all you got and now the Netherlands' banks aren't giving that, even. Like the COMEX they just give the paper price. They still charge the monthly storage fees, though!

They smashed gold down hard when the Treasury Exchequer, Gordon Brown, sold off the bulk of Britain's gold hoard to private hands at around $300 an ounce in, IIRC, 1999. That was madness. Who twisted his arm to sell off the country's hoard at that price? And why did he get made PM after that? Was that his payoff? And who was the secret buyer?

Sometimes you just gotta wonder what's going on in the back rooms.
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lol, will you listen to yourself?

How can they "de-couple" physical and paper? You can't have a "real" market and a "fake" market because that codifies the admission that there is a fake part.

It's your egos justifying the huge loss by repeating something you read on the internet.

I have seen this over and over and over and over in the stock market and market forums.

People who trade straight commodities are far less delusional because they know that weather or locusts or whatever erase of explode the value of something over night.

You n00bs and you gold HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING of what you got yourselves into.

Trust me on this. I have been trading for a long time and I learned from my grandfather.

...just sayin....
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I bought 100 1oz rounds today. I did good? I hope so.

Now for another beer.
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I bought 100 1oz rounds today. I did good? I hope so.

Now for another beer.
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Great way to turn 150k into 50k. Why don't you start an airline :P
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As we predicted several hours ago, adding insult to injury and likely intensifying the gold and silver smash over the next 48 hours, the CME has just announced an 18.5% margin increase in both gold and silver, effective after the close Tuesday 4/16.

As the margin calls-induced slaughter intensifies, expect the CME to hike margins again in a vicious negative feedback cycle until margins equal cash.

From the CME:

Those holding paper forms of gold or silver may want to keep your iphones handy tonight, those holding physical metal in your own position can be right and sit tight while the cartel burns the paper futures markets to the ground and go massively long just in time for the big Western financial reset.

[link to silverdoctors.com]
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So unfuck yourself and start buying it? what seems to be the problem?
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I bought 100 1oz rounds today. I did good? I hope so.

Now for another beer.
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Great way to turn 150k into 50k. Why don't you start an airline :P
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150k? Say what? 1oz cost me 23.18ea. Learn math. Does a brain good.
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I bought 100 1oz rounds today. I did good? I hope so.

Now for another beer.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38107547


Great way to turn 150k into 50k. Why don't you start an airline :P
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150k? Say what? 1oz cost me 23.18ea. Learn math. Does a brain good.
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yeah some people have no vision, when it goes down is when you buy it, because one things for sure, it will go back up.

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