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Do you really think man walked on the moon/???

 
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If we ever went we didn't go in the apollo crappy cookyjar.
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Did they not leave the American flag? someone just zoom in on where they left it, how hard could that be for proof? hfhf
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Did they not leave the American flag? someone just zoom in on where they left it, how hard could that be for proof? hfhf
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Can't. Not even the Hubble can get an image of the flag.
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There is no such thing as the Hubble.There's nothing that is man made in space- NOTHING.
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Did they not leave the American flag? someone just zoom in on where they left it, how hard could that be for proof? hfhf
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Can't. Not even the Hubble can get an image of the flag.
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It always makes you wonder when you see the satelite images of google earth. You can see cars, people you name it.

Yet the satelites that photograph the moon apparantly can't even zoom in like the google satelites do on earth.
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There is no such thing as the Hubble.There's nothing that is man made in space- NOTHING.
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Ok.
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Did they not leave the American flag? someone just zoom in on where they left it, how hard could that be for proof? hfhf
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Can't. Not even the Hubble can get an image of the flag.
 Quoting: #Geomagnetic_Storm#


It always makes you wonder when you see the satelite images of google earth. You can see cars, people you name it.

Yet the satelites that photograph the moon apparantly can't even zoom in like the google satelites do on earth.
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No satellites zoom in on earth. All you see are zoomed in pictures from aerial video from planes made out to be from satellites.
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Did they not leave the American flag? someone just zoom in on where they left it, how hard could that be for proof? hfhf
 Quoting: sacred energy


Can't. Not even the Hubble can get an image of the flag.
 Quoting: #Geomagnetic_Storm#


It always makes you wonder when you see the satelite images of google earth. You can see cars, people you name it.

Yet the satelites that photograph the moon apparantly can't even zoom in like the google satelites do on earth.
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Taking a picture from a satellite to earth is much closer than a Celestial object.
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No doubt went the moon so many times and partied hard up there. Wish I had some footage of them loading and unloading the lunar rover... that would be kick ass to see. Bet it would not have been hard at all to fold it up and pack it in the lander and then unpack it and drive around like pimps for a while.

[link to articles.latimes.com]

"The first of three rovers was delivered to NASA March 10, 1971, but cost overruns led to a final cost of $38 million. To get to the moon, the rover was folded up and stored in the lunar module that landed the astronauts on the surface"
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OP, one of the best researchers I have come across on the subject is Dave McGowan. He wrote a series called "wagging the moon doggie". It's very long and detailed, and provokes you to go further. Really good IMHO.

[link to davesweb.cnchost.com]
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great read!
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The proof is overwhelming if you cared to look.The trouble with some people is, they can't engage common sense and happily hang onto scrap contraptions sitting on the moon and Mars.
It's scary to think people are so naive.I can understand kids being naive but not adults.
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Common sense is over-rated.

YouTube is full of videos of people who clearly thought they understood exactly what they were doing. There is no connection at all between how sure you are you are right, and how right you are. Unfortunately. And it strikes all of us.

Which is why "common sense" is the most dangerous tool of all, because it puts gut feeling over analytical methods; over, that is, methods that are designed to and when used properly, often do indicate when you are making a mistake.

It is easy to eyeball something and estimate the height or weight or strength wrong. It is vastly harder to slap on a scale or tape or do a simple Euler section and get the wrong answer.

But the former is more emotionally satisfying. It is also easier; not only does it take no training, it takes no effort. Just sit back and make a judgment call. Doing it properly takes work.
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I'm thinking BadHairDay's comment was a bit exaggerated. However, I've just visited a few places on, oh, Google maps. Gateway Arch, etc. and, it zooms in pretty darn well - especially given its higher resolution/closer pictures are viewable only by the US government and/or its allies.

Wrist watch then? Maybe not, albeit, I wouldn't then UNDERestimate its strength.
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That's aerial, not satellite. Which is the real reason why the areas around major US cities, and particularly the West Coast, have higher resolutions available, and the middle of the Gobi does not.

What; it's not like satellites can turn around and make tiny circles around Cupertino. They fly over the entire world. They could return imagery at the same density anywhere along their ground path.
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You are all blithering fucking idiots!!

A personal friend of mine who I have known for years worked on the Apollo project.

I have discussed this issue with him and you can almost see his blood boiling when I tell him there are people who think we never put a man on the moon.

He was involved in the project where the astronauts put a special mirror on the moon that is used to this day to bounce laser beams off of to measure the distance to the moon. That measurement does change over time.

So how the fuck did the mirror get there and get placed properly if the astronauts didn't put it there??

You stupid fucking bastards aren't worth one drop of sweat off his balls and are an insult to the thousands of people who worked their ass off accomplishing one of the crowning achievements of mankind!!

No wonder the country is going down the toilet, the schools are putting out whole fucking generations of kids with not enough sense to keep their pants up high enough to cover their sorry lazy asses.

I quote myself since this dumb ass thread has managed to make it back to the first page.

Anyone who think we did not go to the moon is too moronic to be called a "moran".
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I'm thinking BadHairDay's comment was a bit exaggerated. However, I've just visited a few places on, oh, Google maps. Gateway Arch, etc. and, it zooms in pretty darn well - especially given its higher resolution/closer pictures are viewable only by the US government and/or its allies.

Wrist watch then? Maybe not, albeit, I wouldn't then UNDERestimate its strength.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38505714


That's aerial, not satellite. Which is the real reason why the areas around major US cities, and particularly the West Coast, have higher resolutions available, and the middle of the Gobi does not.

What; it's not like satellites can turn around and make tiny circles around Cupertino. They fly over the entire world. They could return imagery at the same density anywhere along their ground path.
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An off the cuff comment can get out a hand!! LOL Yes, I meant that figuratively. I'm an avid google earth digger, and love getting in as close as I can to make out details.

But I think most of us would know that what ever is being admitted to officially, and distributed publically, is way off the make with military reality.

They probably can make out a face in a crowd by now, and as nomuse has said, the aerial, high altitude imagery is different again, and likely the favoured method.

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Glad so many people read and liked that series on the Apollo missions. (wag the moon doggie) Realise its a red flag to the conventionalists, but to me it makes more sense than what we were fed.
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I heard they got help and used gold to get thru the Van Allen Belt alive.

That's why they only stay close to Earth in the ISS. They can't survive.
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yawn. the moontard conspiracy gets old, if really want proof, rent time at an observatory. you can zoom right in on the lander's feet.
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You are all blithering fucking idiots!!

A personal friend of mine who I have known for years worked on the Apollo project.

I have discussed this issue with him and you can almost see his blood boiling when I tell him there are people who think we never put a man on the moon.

He was involved in the project where the astronauts put a special mirror on the moon that is used to this day to bounce laser beams off of to measure the distance to the moon. That measurement does change over time.

So how the fuck did the mirror get there and get placed properly if the astronauts didn't put it there??

You stupid fucking bastards aren't worth one drop of sweat off his balls and are an insult to the thousands of people who worked their ass off accomplishing one of the crowning achievements of mankind!!

No wonder the country is going down the toilet, the schools are putting out whole fucking generations of kids with not enough sense to keep their pants up high enough to cover their sorry lazy asses.

I quote myself since this dumb ass thread has managed to make it back to the first page.

Anyone who think we did not go to the moon is too moronic to be called a "moran".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23393274


You are all blithering fucking idiots!!

A personal friend of mine who I have known for years worked on the Apollo project.

I have discussed this issue with him and you can almost see his blood boiling when I tell him there are people who think we never put a man on the moon.

He was involved in the project where the astronauts put a special mirror on the moon that is used to this day to bounce laser beams off of to measure the distance to the moon. That measurement does change over time.

So how the fuck did the mirror get there and get placed properly if the astronauts didn't put it there??

You stupid fucking bastards aren't worth one drop of sweat off his balls and are an insult to the thousands of people who worked their ass off accomplishing one of the crowning achievements of mankind!!

No wonder the country is going down the toilet, the schools are putting out whole fucking generations of kids with not enough sense to keep their pants up high enough to cover their sorry lazy asses.

I quote myself since this dumb ass thread has managed to make it back to the first page.

Anyone who think we did not go to the moon is too moronic to be called a "moran".
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agreed.
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It took only 6 years after anouncement...
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From where? The Industrial Revolution? The Mesolithic? Rocketry goes back WELL before the Kennedy speech. The leap was from simple orbital flights to sufficient staging to land on the Moon and return. Still significant, but not like they had to invent spacecraft during the first year!

...to go to the moon with computer technology that had a fraction of what is in your iphone today.
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And? The computational power jammed into an iPhone is driven by market forces. It is sold to the consumer as being important, inventive, and necessary. But for a vast majority of business tasks (or even daily tasks), it doesn't do much but get you a few percent improved efficiency -- wrapped up in a really fancy looking package.

Are you saying you can't build a steel mill, perform surgery, detect new subatomic particles, design an aircraft, win at Indianapolis without this year's computer? All of this is done more better with, but was done readily enough without. And it doesn't need a computer of some arbitrary quality. It isn't like someone comes along and says, "You can't do this computation; your video card isn't fast enough."

This is not saying computing wasn't necessary. It is saying you can't draw some arbitrary line. I mean; why not draw the line five years further, and say you couldn't do anything that we take for granted TODAY because we don't yet own the computers they will be making in 2025!

If we want to go back now, it will take at least 30 years.
The main reason is radiation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1527598


Yes. It is a significant problem. Because nobody is interested in a reply. They are interested in long-duration missions, Mars missions, and the like, and solar radiation becomes more significant on that time frame.

Suppose we did make it through the van Allen belts, how where the astronauts protected from radiation in outer space and from the moon surface?
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You don't know, yet you claim to know the missions weren't possible? I don't know what kind of tires they use at Indianapolis, so should I go around claiming F1's are impossible?

Incidentally, the lunar surface isn't significant. Yes, there is both naturally occurring nucleotides, and some short-lived isotopes from interaction with high-energy cosmic rays. But this background is well below what you'd see from the exposed rocks around a typical village in the Urals.

The primary danger is the Sun, and the danger there is the active Sun, aka solar flares. The typical spectrum from the quiet Sun has too little at significant energies to be that interesting. But a flare that hit you without proper warning and protection could ruin your day.

How did the suit handle the temperature difference on the moon? There was no coolling system in those spacesuits.
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That is incorrect. You may want to read up.

But you are also committing a prior error of assumption. The suit is not the equivalent of a man in shirtsleeves toting around an umbrella or whatever to protect himself from conditions. It is a thermos bottle.

Your typical cheap (but glass, mind you, not those fake plastic ones) thermos bottle can keep coffee hot through a twelve-hour shift. I've used them plenty of times for just that. Are you saying that NASA can't build something at LEAST as good as the thermos bottle workers used to pack in their lunch?

Point being, the temperature of the local rocks wasn't as important as the temperature of the man inside the suit -- and the electronics, as well. Plus the not inconsiderable issue that their breathing gas was compressed.

So the suit wasn't dealing with dramatic changes. It was dealing with a constant influx of heat that it had to get rid of. Heat in the ballpark of 100 watts, in fact. Which makes the math pretty simple, by the by.

The pictures are fake for sure so is the video.

There are strings visable on the astronauts, they make impossible moves.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1527598


Lines seen on video (never photograph) are inconsistent. They don't show up in the same places, at the same kinds of times, and they don't show up in the RIGHT places. They don't pass through the center of gravity, they aren't placed where they would need to be to suspend.

Nor is there any movement of the handful the hoax believers like to talk about that is consistent with a pickup. There is always rotation in more than one plane. You just have to look properly to see it.

Nor are the moves "impossible." Just unexpected -- especially for people who haven't studied the suits and know nothing about their internal construction (no; it isn't just a bag filled with air, and it doesn't behave like a costume. It reacts significantly to movement, and in complex ways...there are both expansion joints and springs involved).



There are videos and pictures of the same backdrops taken on different places on the moon.
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No. I can't tell which you are referring to, but I can name the two most likely specifics (or, rather, one specific and one generalized group) and they can both be demonstrated at length to be incorrect.

But you'd have to make the effort to be specific before anyone would chase down which of these old claims you were referring to (the third-party mislabeled video segment, that is, or Jack White's infamous inability to do a simple overlay correctly).

There is arteficial lighting in the pictures and video's.
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Not seen, not standard to any motion picture or television standard of lighting practice, not plausible by any practice in ANY lighting field I know of, not evident by ANY of the usual signs. In short; entirely the function of people with poor perceptual skills, strong pre-opinions, and a lack of any applicable experience that leads them to think they know how movies are lit (and prevents them from any knowledge of how light behaves in the real world).

The manufacturer of the spacesuits admitted you can't use the suits to clean up chernobil or fukushima.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1527598


D'uh. Different application.

First off, you'd sweat yourself to death. The coolant system wasn't designed to work in atmosphere.

In other news, those new sharkskin suits that were all the rage a couple Olympics back are totally useless for ice diving. And no America's Cup yacht yet has proven to be any good at off-road driving.
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No doubt went the moon so many times and partied hard up there. Wish I had some footage of them loading and unloading the lunar rover... that would be kick ass to see. Bet it would not have been hard at all to fold it up and pack it in the lander and then unpack it and drive around like pimps for a while.
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Why don't you? Your Google broken?

There's video of the thing being demonstrated on Earth, and DAC footage of deployment on the Moon.

All it takes is a quick search.


[link to articles.latimes.com]

"The first of three rovers was delivered to NASA March 10, 1971, but cost overruns led to a final cost of $38 million. To get to the moon, the rover was folded up and stored in the lunar module that landed the astronauts on the surface"
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Well, not "in" so much as "on." Packed up on a pallet -- like the scientific equipment on the matching quadrant -- nestled between two faces of the LM.
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I saw the pics & I wanted to believe it then. I was about 12.
Now it defies logic, technology and science.
That said, I'm still somewhat of a believer. That's how influential pictures are to the human brain.
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i bet most people that dont believe it are christian
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yawn. the moontard conspiracy gets old, if really want proof, rent time at an observatory. you can zoom right in on the lander's feet.
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Can you post pics of this 'feat' please.

Last time any grass roots movement attempted to do this with Hubble time, it was revoked. "Our" money and time is as good as anyone elses. Hmmm, I never did get that refund?!

I saw the pics & I wanted to believe it then. I was about 12.
Now it defies logic, technology and science.
That said, I'm still somewhat of a believer. That's how influential pictures are to the human brain.
 Quoting: T-Cain


Shit, I still have T-shirts, a lander model, a Saturn model and a command module model, and a rack of books. I so want to believe it, and as a kid was obsessed.

But, like many, something is blocking that thought.

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I have my doubts, anyone agree that no man ever walked on the moon?
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Not this stupid shit again.


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no.
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No. The photographic 'evidence' proves it. Regardless of what the shills say.
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i bet most people that dont believe it are christian
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Ridiculous statement! What`s religion got to do with it?????
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I beleive we went. They used a layer of gold to block radiation from the inner spacecraft. The experiment in the following video cannot be achieved outside on Earth.

[link to www.youtube.com]

Ok, it could have been done in a vacuum chamber, but I really don't see the point of faking the moon landings. It was a huge achievement for all those concerned and shouldn't be belittled. And aiming a lazer at the mirrors they placed there?..believe me, not so hard with the technology we have. And really, what does god have to do with it?
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staged so we can win the arms race. 60+ years and we still havent gone there again? yea, ok.
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i bet most people that dont believe it are christian
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Ridiculous statement! What`s religion got to do with it?????
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they are prone to not believing obvious things

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