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Do you really think man walked on the moon/???

 
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The Luna-Shills always wheel out that BS about the laser reflector.

Less than a minute's search on Google will show how full of shit this argument is.

Here's a clue;

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Yes they did walk on the moon but not during the fake apollo missions. They have alien friends helping them with space travel.
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I have my doubts, anyone agree that no man ever walked on the moon?
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Agreed, they never went to the moon
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ok say they did put a mirror on the moon, how could they position it to refelect something back to earth... i mean you can't just drop a mirror and be like bam...i mean like 1 degree off would be totally fucked right? thats allot of distance... how could you even do that when you can't even walk right?
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It is made with corner cubes that reflect light back in the direction it came from.
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We couldn't and cannot afford the additional payload weight it would take to put necessary lead sheilding to protect against tje Van Allen Belts.
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Prove it would need lead shielding. I'll bet you can't. And no scientist that understands it would agree.
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Yes they did walk on the moon but not during the fake apollo missions. They have alien friends helping them with space travel.
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It took only 6 years after anouncement to go to the moon with computer technology that had a fraction of what is in your iphone today.
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how many megabytes do you think it takes to get there? The calculations were done in large mainframes on the ground. The spacecraft did not need much computing power.

If we want to go back now, it will take at least 30 years.
The main reason is radiation.
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Only because when we go back we want to STAY LONGER.

Suppose we did make it through the van Allen belts, how where the astronauts protected from radiation in outer space and from the moon surface?
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We went AROUND the belts. Please quantify the radiation you think is in outer space and on the Moon surface and why you think they weren't protected enough. Numbers please.

How did the suit handle the temperature difference on the moon? There was no coolling system in those spacesuits.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1527598

It DID have a cooling system. What temperature do you THINK it had to compensate for? Do you realize the thermal environment on the Moon is the same as in orbit?

The pictures are fake for sure so is the video.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1527598

How? Prove it.

There are strings visable on the astronauts, they make impossible moves.
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No there aren't and no they don't. All the supposed "strings" are either scratches on the film or reflections off the antenna on the top of the PLSS (backpack). Not a single move they did was impossible in low gravity.

There are videos and pictures of the same backdrops taken on different places on the moon.
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No there aren't. The mountains are distant so they don't change much due to perspective but they DO change slightly proving they are distant.

There is arteficial lighting in the pictures and video's.
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No there isn't. Additional lights would create extra shadows. There aren't any extra shadows.

The manufacturer of the spacesuits admitted you can't use the suits to clean up chernobil or fukushima.
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Gee, you mean you can't use a spacesuit that is designed for thermal, UV and alpha and beta radiation protection and use it in an environment that is strong in gamma and neutron radiation? Shocking! You did know that there are different types of radiation, right?
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There is no such thing as the Hubble.There's nothing that is man made in space- NOTHING.
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Then how does satellite TV work in your fantasy world?
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No doubt went the moon so many times and partied hard up there. Wish I had some footage of them loading and unloading the lunar rover... that would be kick ass to see. Bet it would not have been hard at all to fold it up and pack it in the lander and then unpack it and drive around like pimps for a while.

[link to articles.latimes.com]

"The first of three rovers was delivered to NASA March 10, 1971, but cost overruns led to a final cost of $38 million. To get to the moon, the rover was folded up and stored in the lunar module that landed the astronauts on the surface"
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You mean footage like this?

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The Van Allen Belts (there are 3 of them, now) PROTECT Earth from radiation.

Once beyond the belts, spacecraft are subject to GCRs and other bad shit, in free space.

Of course, as we all now know, 1/4 inch of aloominum, and some plastic liner, totally protects human bodies from all that!

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Up until recently, I thought anyone who said we never went to the moon was crazy. But I finally decided to look into some of the claims that were said to be evidence we were not really on the moon and now my way of thinking is completely different.

I realized that my scorning of those who claimed it was a hoax was a prescribed reaction.

Where do we even start as good indications we never really went to the moon? The Soviets beat us into space and were equal to the US in space technology. Why did they never go to the moon or hardly even try? They knew it could not be done.

Look how the lunar lander failed in tests run here on earth but somehow managed to have a perfect landing every time on the moon? Seriously?

This is one that really sticks out. There is no sign at all of any propulsion coming from the craft pushing it upward. This looks like something from an old amateur super 8 movie or something.



And being that the delay for the speed of radio transmissions is at least a couple seconds, how was the camera on the moon so accurately able to follow the thing as it took off?
 Quoting: Alwaysaware


You sir are dumb. Everything you said on your speculation of how things were done.
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we did not....van allen belts
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We did. You can go around them







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It took only 6 years after anouncement...
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From where? The Industrial Revolution? The Mesolithic? Rocketry goes back WELL before the Kennedy speech. The leap was from simple orbital flights to sufficient staging to land on the Moon and return. Still significant, but not like they had to invent spacecraft during the first year!

...to go to the moon with computer technology that had a fraction of what is in your iphone today.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1527598


And? The computational power jammed into an iPhone is driven by market forces. It is sold to the consumer as being important, inventive, and necessary. But for a vast majority of business tasks (or even daily tasks), it doesn't do much but get you a few percent improved efficiency -- wrapped up in a really fancy looking package.

Are you saying you can't build a steel mill, perform surgery, detect new subatomic particles, design an aircraft, win at Indianapolis without this year's computer? All of this is done more better with, but was done readily enough without. And it doesn't need a computer of some arbitrary quality. It isn't like someone comes along and says, "You can't do this computation; your video card isn't fast enough."

This is not saying computing wasn't necessary. It is saying you can't draw some arbitrary line. I mean; why not draw the line five years further, and say you couldn't do anything that we take for granted TODAY because we don't yet own the computers they will be making in 2025!

If we want to go back now, it will take at least 30 years.
The main reason is radiation.
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Yes. It is a significant problem. Because nobody is interested in a reply. They are interested in long-duration missions, Mars missions, and the like, and solar radiation becomes more significant on that time frame.

Suppose we did make it through the van Allen belts, how where the astronauts protected from radiation in outer space and from the moon surface?
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You don't know, yet you claim to know the missions weren't possible? I don't know what kind of tires they use at Indianapolis, so should I go around claiming F1's are impossible?

Incidentally, the lunar surface isn't significant. Yes, there is both naturally occurring nucleotides, and some short-lived isotopes from interaction with high-energy cosmic rays. But this background is well below what you'd see from the exposed rocks around a typical village in the Urals.

The primary danger is the Sun, and the danger there is the active Sun, aka solar flares. The typical spectrum from the quiet Sun has too little at significant energies to be that interesting. But a flare that hit you without proper warning and protection could ruin your day.

How did the suit handle the temperature difference on the moon? There was no coolling system in those spacesuits.
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That is incorrect. You may want to read up.

But you are also committing a prior error of assumption. The suit is not the equivalent of a man in shirtsleeves toting around an umbrella or whatever to protect himself from conditions. It is a thermos bottle.

Your typical cheap (but glass, mind you, not those fake plastic ones) thermos bottle can keep coffee hot through a twelve-hour shift. I've used them plenty of times for just that. Are you saying that NASA can't build something at LEAST as good as the thermos bottle workers used to pack in their lunch?

Point being, the temperature of the local rocks wasn't as important as the temperature of the man inside the suit -- and the electronics, as well. Plus the not inconsiderable issue that their breathing gas was compressed.

So the suit wasn't dealing with dramatic changes. It was dealing with a constant influx of heat that it had to get rid of. Heat in the ballpark of 100 watts, in fact. Which makes the math pretty simple, by the by.

The pictures are fake for sure so is the video.

There are strings visable on the astronauts, they make impossible moves.
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Lines seen on video (never photograph) are inconsistent. They don't show up in the same places, at the same kinds of times, and they don't show up in the RIGHT places. They don't pass through the center of gravity, they aren't placed where they would need to be to suspend.

Nor is there any movement of the handful the hoax believers like to talk about that is consistent with a pickup. There is always rotation in more than one plane. You just have to look properly to see it.

Nor are the moves "impossible." Just unexpected -- especially for people who haven't studied the suits and know nothing about their internal construction (no; it isn't just a bag filled with air, and it doesn't behave like a costume. It reacts significantly to movement, and in complex ways...there are both expansion joints and springs involved).



There are videos and pictures of the same backdrops taken on different places on the moon.
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No. I can't tell which you are referring to, but I can name the two most likely specifics (or, rather, one specific and one generalized group) and they can both be demonstrated at length to be incorrect.

But you'd have to make the effort to be specific before anyone would chase down which of these old claims you were referring to (the third-party mislabeled video segment, that is, or Jack White's infamous inability to do a simple overlay correctly).

There is arteficial lighting in the pictures and video's.
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Not seen, not standard to any motion picture or television standard of lighting practice, not plausible by any practice in ANY lighting field I know of, not evident by ANY of the usual signs. In short; entirely the function of people with poor perceptual skills, strong pre-opinions, and a lack of any applicable experience that leads them to think they know how movies are lit (and prevents them from any knowledge of how light behaves in the real world).

The manufacturer of the spacesuits admitted you can't use the suits to clean up chernobil or fukushima.
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D'uh. Different application.

First off, you'd sweat yourself to death. The coolant system wasn't designed to work in atmosphere.

In other news, those new sharkskin suits that were all the rage a couple Olympics back are totally useless for ice diving. And no America's Cup yacht yet has proven to be any good at off-road driving.
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You are an idiot.

[link to science.nasa.gov]

NASA's Vision for Space Exploration calls for a return to the Moon as preparation for even longer journeys to Mars and beyond. But there's a potential showstopper: radiation.
Space beyond low-Earth orbit is awash with intense radiation from the Sun and from deep galactic sources such as supernovas. Astronauts en route to the Moon and Mars are going to be exposed to this radiation, increasing their risk of getting cancer and other maladies. Finding a good shield is important.

But wait didn't we have the kick-ass spacesuits back in the 60s and 70s?

Again your an idiot.
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You are missing the key difference. Future trips to the Moon and trips to Mars will be much longer. Radiation is cumulative. What was only a small risk for a short trip like Apollo is much larger when you are out there for years.
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Up until recently, I thought anyone who said we never went to the moon was crazy. But I finally decided to look into some of the claims that were said to be evidence we were not really on the moon and now my way of thinking is completely different.

I realized that my scorning of those who claimed it was a hoax was a prescribed reaction.

Where do we even start as good indications we never really went to the moon? The Soviets beat us into space and were equal to the US in space technology. Why did they never go to the moon or hardly even try? They knew it could not be done.

Look how the lunar lander failed in tests run here on earth but somehow managed to have a perfect landing every time on the moon? Seriously?

This is one that really sticks out. There is no sign at all of any propulsion coming from the craft pushing it upward. This looks like something from an old amateur super 8 movie or something.



And being that the delay for the speed of radio transmissions is at least a couple seconds, how was the camera on the moon so accurately able to follow the thing as it took off?
 Quoting: Alwaysaware


You sir are dumb. Everything you said on your speculation of how things were done.
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Sir, you are an Arse!

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Up until recently, I thought anyone who said we never went to the moon was crazy. But I finally decided to look into some of the claims that were said to be evidence we were not really on the moon and now my way of thinking is completely different.

I realized that my scorning of those who claimed it was a hoax was a prescribed reaction.

Where do we even start as good indications we never really went to the moon? The Soviets beat us into space and were equal to the US in space technology. Why did they never go to the moon or hardly even try? They knew it could not be done.

Look how the lunar lander failed in tests run here on earth but somehow managed to have a perfect landing every time on the moon? Seriously?

This is one that really sticks out. There is no sign at all of any propulsion coming from the craft pushing it upward. This looks like something from an old amateur super 8 movie or something.



And being that the delay for the speed of radio transmissions is at least a couple seconds, how was the camera on the moon so accurately able to follow the thing as it took off?
 Quoting: Alwaysaware


You sir are dumb. Everything you said on your speculation of how things were done.
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I was eating and typing with one hand. What I meant is that everything you said is based on your speculation of how everything was done and are supposed to be, as if you're an expert. You didn't look much into it.
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No.......the van allen radiation belts would have made them leaving our atmosphere impossible.
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Up until recently, I thought anyone who said we never went to the moon was crazy. But I finally decided to look into some of the claims that were said to be evidence we were not really on the moon and now my way of thinking is completely different.

I realized that my scorning of those who claimed it was a hoax was a prescribed reaction.

Where do we even start as good indications we never really went to the moon? The Soviets beat us into space and were equal to the US in space technology. Why did they never go to the moon or hardly even try? They knew it could not be done.
 Quoting: Alwaysaware

Wrong. They fell behind the US during the Gemini program. They TRIED to go to the Moon and had an active program until 1974 but couldn't get their heavy lifting booster, the N-1, to not explode on liftoff. Can't get to the Moon without that.

Look how the lunar lander failed in tests run here on earth but somehow managed to have a perfect landing every time on the moon? Seriously?
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The lunar lander never failed on Earth because it was never tested on Earth. It was not designed for full Earth gravity. It was however tested in earth orbit manned and unmanned and in lunar orbit. What was used on Earth was the LLTV and LLRV which were TRAINERS. Yes, there were some failures but there were also hundreds of successful flights.

This is one that really sticks out. There is no sign at all of any propulsion coming from the craft pushing it upward. This looks like something from an old amateur super 8 movie or something.


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Nor should the propulsion be visible. The propellants used produce an invisible flame in a vacuum.

And being that the delay for the speed of radio transmissions is at least a couple seconds, how was the camera on the moon so accurately able to follow the thing as it took off?
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Gee, almost as if they knew the time it was going to take off and how fast it would go and sent the command a few seconds before.
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The Van Allen Belts (there are 3 of them, now) PROTECT Earth from radiation.

Once beyond the belts, spacecraft are subject to GCRs and other bad shit, in free space.

Of course, as we all now know, 1/4 inch of aloominum, and some plastic liner, totally protects human bodies from all that!

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They protect from CHARGED particle radiation. Most radiation out there is NOT stopped by the belts.
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No.......the van allen radiation belts would have made them leaving our atmosphere impossible.
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This is the proverbial Big One.

If I had the money, I'd commission sounding rockets to really check out the extent and power of ionizing radiation, in the Belts, and in free space.

The Rooskies supposedly said that several metres of lead would be required to protect a human in space.
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The Van Allen Belts (there are 3 of them, now) PROTECT Earth from radiation.

Once beyond the belts, spacecraft are subject to GCRs and other bad shit, in free space.

Of course, as we all now know, 1/4 inch of aloominum, and some plastic liner, totally protects human bodies from all that!

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They protect from CHARGED particle radiation. Most radiation out there is NOT stopped by the belts.
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So we're fucked, right?

Blow it out yer ass, you fucking NASA shill!

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It took only 6 years after anouncement to go to the moon
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8 years 2 months.
And the programme did not start from scratch.

with computer technology that had a fraction of what is in your iphone today.
 Quoting: Dutch Coward 1527598

Relevance?

How much computing power is needed to go to the Moon?
Where would you keep it?

If we want to go back now, it will take at least 30 years.
 Quoting: Dutch Coward 1527598

America as we know it today will never return to the Moon.

The main reason is radiation.
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Proof it.

Suppose we did make it through the van Allen belts, how where the astronauts protected from radiation in outer space and from the moon surface?
 Quoting: Dutch Coward 1527598

Why do you need to ask?

How did the suit handle the temperature difference on the moon?
 Quoting: Dutch Coward 1527598

Why do you need to ask?

Your lack of knowledge is only evidence of your lack of knowledge.
It tells us nothing about Apollo.

There was no coolling system in those spacesuits.
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Why do you lie?

The pictures are fake for sure so is the video.
 Quoting: Dutch Coward 1527598

Proof it.

There are strings visable on the astronauts,
 Quoting: Dutch Coward 1527598

Proof it.

they make impossible moves.
 Quoting: Dutch Coward 1527598

Proof it.

There are videos and pictures of the same backdrops taken on different places on the moon.
 Quoting: Dutch Coward 1527598

Why do you lie?

There is arteficial lighting in the pictures and video's.
 Quoting: Dutch Coward 1527598

Proof it.

The manufacturer of the spacesuits admitted you can't use the suits to clean up chernobil or fukushima.
 Quoting: Dutch Coward 1527598

So what?

They went to the Moon, not a melted fission reactor.
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No.......the van allen radiation belts would have made them leaving our atmosphere impossible.
 Quoting: mopar28m


This is the proverbial Big One.

If I had the money, I'd commission sounding rockets to really check out the extent and power of ionizing radiation, in the Belts, and in free space.

The Rooskies supposedly said that several metres of lead would be required to protect a human in space.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38957254


Except they never said that and their lunar lander (which they never got to use because their rocket kept blowing up) looked remarkably similar to ours and did NOT have several meters of lead.
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No Moon Hoax thread would be complete without Shillcyon Daze!

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The Van Allen Belts (there are 3 of them, now) PROTECT Earth from radiation.

Once beyond the belts, spacecraft are subject to GCRs and other bad shit, in free space.

Of course, as we all now know, 1/4 inch of aloominum, and some plastic liner, totally protects human bodies from all that!

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 Quoting: UK Coward 38957254

Argument from personal incredulity.

Proof that it doesn't.
Use facts and calculations. NOT asspulls.

No.......the van allen radiation belts would have made them leaving our atmosphere impossible.
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This is the proverbial Big One.
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Not according to anyone who has assets in space.

If I had the money, I'd commission sounding rockets to really check out the extent and power of ionizing radiation, in the Belts, and in free space.
 Quoting: UK Coward 38957254

Collectively hoaxies should have more than enough funds.
So put up some seed money.

The Rooskies supposedly said that several metres of lead would be required to protect a human in space.
 Quoting: UK Coward 38957254

Why do you believe every lie that confirms your preconceived notion.

Rumours aren't evidence.

Blow it out yer ass, you fucking NASA shill!
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Such a well reasoned, and solidly supported with factual evidence, rebuttal.

No Moon Hoax thread would be complete without Shillcyon Daze!
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IOW, you have NO EVIDENCE to support your slanderous accusations so you just sling some more poo.
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You are an idiot.

[link to science.nasa.gov]

NASA's Vision for Space Exploration calls for a return to the Moon as preparation for even longer journeys to Mars and beyond. But there's a potential showstopper: radiation.
Space beyond low-Earth orbit is awash with intense radiation from the Sun and from deep galactic sources such as supernovas. Astronauts en route to the Moon and Mars are going to be exposed to this radiation, increasing their risk of getting cancer and other maladies. Finding a good shield is important.

But wait didn't we have the kick-ass spacesuits back in the 60s and 70s?

Again your an idiot.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1527598


You don't read very well.

This was my original reply:

Yes. It is a significant problem. Because nobody is interested in a reply. They are interested in long-duration missions, Mars missions, and the like, and solar radiation becomes more significant on that time frame.
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Which is in exact agreement with the source you just quoted.

Of course, the plausible alternative answer is that you neither read nor understood the source you are quoting.
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Re: Do you really think man walked on the moon/???
OP, one of the best researchers I have come across on the subject is Dave McGowan.

[link to davesweb.cnchost.com]
 Quoting: BadHairDay

Let's have some fun.
What, in your opinion, is Dave's best evidence?
book

"I agree but can anyone show me proof of why we didnt?"

No. You can't prove a negative fact. The burden of proof is on the person who introduces a positive fact.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35435318

The claim "the evidence for Apollo was faked" IS a new positive claim, and thus carries the burden of proof.

Hoaxies being ignorant of, or incapable of understanding, the vast extant evidence for Apollo is their problem, not anybody else's.
book

we can't do it now because its too expensive????
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35812316

Not doing something is NOT the same as being unable to do something.

never happened. i can't believe it. i won't believe it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33234136

Argument from personal incredulity.
What you believe, or disbelieve, is immaterial.

What can you proof?

my number #1 question is how could they communicate that far. especially back then.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33234136

They used electromagnetic waves.
It's called "radio".
book

Those tiny, shiney, blurry images that 'prove' we landed, apparently showing the landing site.... c'mon, we can read a digital watch from our orbit, and we have an atmosphere to contend with, and all that noise.
 Quoting: BadHairDay

The NRO, CIA, and NSA would love for you to believe that we can read a digital watch from orbit but we can't. Resolution is based on the Dawes limit which is directly related to the size of the main lens. We know the max size of the satellites that are up there based on the launch vehicles used. Simple math shows that the ability to read a digital watch from orbit is still a fantasy.
 Quoting: LHP598

I'm thinking BadHairDay's comment was a bit exaggerated. However, I've just visited a few places on, oh, Google maps. Gateway Arch, etc. and, it zooms in pretty darn well - especially given its higher resolution/closer pictures are viewable only by the US government and/or its allies.

Wrist watch then? Maybe not, albeit, I wouldn't then UNDERestimate its strength.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38505714

Try zooming in on a boring piece of desert.
The high-resolution images used by such services are made by AIRCRAFT, not SATELITES.

You are arguing against basic optics.
Want a better picture? Get a bigger scope, or get closer to the subject.
book

No doubt went the moon so many times and partied hard up there. Wish I had some footage of them loading and unloading the lunar rover... that would be kick ass to see.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1274589

Wishes aren't magic.
To find something one has to go looking for it.

Honestly, hoaxies must be the laziest conspiracists on the planet.
book

The Soviets beat us into space and were equal to the US in space technology.
 Quoting: Alwaysaware

They were?
What is your evidence for this assertion?

Why did they never go to the moon or hardly even try?
 Quoting: Alwaysaware

What is your evidence for this assertion?

They knew it could not be done.
 Quoting: Alwaysaware

Pressumes facts not in evidence.

Look how the lunar lander failed in tests run here on earth
 Quoting: Alwaysaware

THERE WERE NO LUNAR LANDER TEST RUNS ON EARTH!

This is one that really sticks out. There is no sign at all of any propulsion coming from the craft pushing it upward. This looks like something from an old amateur super 8 movie or something.


 Quoting: Alwaysaware

Hypergolic fuels do not produce a visible flame under most circumstances.

After lift-over you can look straight up into the combustion chamber for a sec, thats where the fire is.

And being that the delay for the speed of radio transmissions is at least a couple seconds, how was the camera on the moon so accurately able to follow the thing as it took off?
 Quoting: Alwaysaware

They used a thing called a "clock".
It tells time.

This was the third try btw.

Basing an opinion on ignorance is foolishness.
book
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It rots the mind and blackens the heart.


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Re: Do you really think man walked on the moon/???
OP, one of the best researchers I have come across on the subject is Dave McGowan.

[link to davesweb.cnchost.com]
 Quoting: BadHairDay

Let's have some fun.
What, in your opinion, is Dave's best evidence?
book

"I agree but can anyone show me proof of why we didnt?"

No. You can't prove a negative fact. The burden of proof is on the person who introduces a positive fact.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35435318

The claim "the evidence for Apollo was faked" IS a new positive claim, and thus carries the burden of proof.

Hoaxies being ignorant of, or incapable of understanding, the vast extant evidence for Apollo is their problem, not anybody else's.
book

we can't do it now because its too expensive????
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35812316

Not doing something is NOT the same as being unable to do something.

never happened. i can't believe it. i won't believe it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33234136

Argument from personal incredulity.
What you believe, or disbelieve, is immaterial.

What can you proof?

my number #1 question is how could they communicate that far. especially back then.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33234136

They used electromagnetic waves.
It's called "radio".
book

Those tiny, shiney, blurry images that 'prove' we landed, apparently showing the landing site.... c'mon, we can read a digital watch from our orbit, and we have an atmosphere to contend with, and all that noise.
 Quoting: BadHairDay

The NRO, CIA, and NSA would love for you to believe that we can read a digital watch from orbit but we can't. Resolution is based on the Dawes limit which is directly related to the size of the main lens. We know the max size of the satellites that are up there based on the launch vehicles used. Simple math shows that the ability to read a digital watch from orbit is still a fantasy.
 Quoting: LHP598

I'm thinking BadHairDay's comment was a bit exaggerated. However, I've just visited a few places on, oh, Google maps. Gateway Arch, etc. and, it zooms in pretty darn well - especially given its higher resolution/closer pictures are viewable only by the US government and/or its allies.

Wrist watch then? Maybe not, albeit, I wouldn't then UNDERestimate its strength.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38505714

Try zooming in on a boring piece of desert.
The high-resolution images used by such services are made by AIRCRAFT, not SATELITES.

You are arguing against basic optics.
Want a better picture? Get a bigger scope, or get closer to the subject.
book

No doubt went the moon so many times and partied hard up there. Wish I had some footage of them loading and unloading the lunar rover... that would be kick ass to see.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1274589

Wishes aren't magic.
To find something one has to go looking for it.

Honestly, hoaxies must be the laziest conspiracists on the planet.
book

The Soviets beat us into space and were equal to the US in space technology.
 Quoting: Alwaysaware

They were?
What is your evidence for this assertion?

Why did they never go to the moon or hardly even try?
 Quoting: Alwaysaware

What is your evidence for this assertion?

They knew it could not be done.
 Quoting: Alwaysaware

Pressumes facts not in evidence.

Look how the lunar lander failed in tests run here on earth
 Quoting: Alwaysaware

THERE WERE NO LUNAR LANDER TEST RUNS ON EARTH!

This is one that really sticks out. There is no sign at all of any propulsion coming from the craft pushing it upward. This looks like something from an old amateur super 8 movie or something.


 Quoting: Alwaysaware

Hypergolic fuels do not produce a visible flame under most circumstances.

After lift-over you can look straight up into the combustion chamber for a sec, thats where the fire is.

And being that the delay for the speed of radio transmissions is at least a couple seconds, how was the camera on the moon so accurately able to follow the thing as it took off?
 Quoting: Alwaysaware

They used a thing called a "clock".
It tells time.

This was the third try btw.

Basing an opinion on ignorance is foolishness.
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


Shillcyon, you have a great command of English, but the word is PROVE, not PROOF!
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Re: Do you really think man walked on the moon/???
My question is: if without "known how" starting from 0 in the 60 with primitive technology American men really was on the moon in 201x, with incredible advanced technology in every field compared 60th and with all necessary know how that would make the missions far cheaper than in 60th, why they don't go again on the moon?
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COMPUTERS are faster.

Are cars faster? What's the acceleration from zero to 60 of a late 60's muscle car, as compared with the best sports car currently made in Detroit? Is it a thousand times faster? A hundred times faster? Even ten times faster?

Are passenger airlines faster (no) and do they carry more people? Compare the range and capacity of an early 70's 747 to the Dreamliner; is Boing's latest a thousand times larger? Does it fly a thousand times further on one tank of fuel?

What about construction materials? Do we have steel alloys or new composites that allow us to build a bridge with 1/1,000 of the weight of material?

No. All of these are mature technologies. The improvement has been a percentage. The equivalent of the Saturn V stack, made with the most bleeding-edge materials and methods we have today, might double the payload mass. Might. And because environmental regulations and safety regulations have increased, labor is vastly more expensive, even many materials are more scarce, and the use of computer-aided tools and testing does not come free, the cost of designing, building, and testing the thing would be at least twice the 1960's equivalent. Ten times, if you want the bleeding-edge performance.
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Re: Do you really think man walked on the moon/???
Up until recently, I thought anyone who said we never went to the moon was crazy. But I finally decided to look into some of the claims that were said to be evidence we were not really on the moon and now my way of thinking is completely different.

I realized that my scorning of those who claimed it was a hoax was a prescribed reaction.

Where do we even start as good indications we never really went to the moon? The Soviets beat us into space and were equal to the US in space technology. Why did they never go to the moon or hardly even try? They knew it could not be done.

Look how the lunar lander failed in tests run here on earth but somehow managed to have a perfect landing every time on the moon? Seriously?

This is one that really sticks out. There is no sign at all of any propulsion coming from the craft pushing it upward. This looks like something from an old amateur super 8 movie or something.



And being that the delay for the speed of radio transmissions is at least a couple seconds, how was the camera on the moon so accurately able to follow the thing as it took off?
 Quoting: Alwaysaware


Ask yourself if this makes sense. A conspiracy with billions of dollars to spend, a conspiracy at the highest levels of government, a conspiracy that has committed murder in the course of the cover-up (these are not MY conditions; these are what are described by the conspiracy believers).

And they chose to do a cheap, incompetent job of falsifying the record that anyone could see through? And make a point of not just publishing, but HOSTING this damning evidence for everyone to see?

This goes well beyond The Riddler level activity. This is a conspiracy that is trying so hard to get caught you'd have to wonder what they are REALLY trying to conceal!



Seriously. THINK. Think about the consistency. Think about the narrative. Try to fit the pieces together. What you are doing is throwing clues into a bucket and weighing it. This is not how you investigate. You want clues that point in the same direction, not clues that disagree with each other.


(And, yes, there is a simpler explanation. Now, Flash Gordon stuck sparklers up the tailpipes of their rockets. Kubrick, and before them the Andersons, liked compressed air. Star Wars established the "big and glowing." But all of these are artistic choices. They are not necessary realities of what hot, expanding gas looks like in a vacuum.)

(The error is not committed by some film-maker who apparently had never seen a science fiction film in his life. It is committed by someone who expects reality to confirm with his expectations, with Hollywood.)

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