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Do you really think man walked on the moon/???

 
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Ok, I remembered this thread and found that video I was talking about

Please watch with open mind.


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Interesting film AG. He speaks so calmly.

It's very good, and well shot. He's very knowledgable too.

But, sorry, my gut still says sumtin aint right with the whole deal.

One day, when we're all travelling up there on holidays, I'll be happy to look back at all this, and have a laugh at how silly I was not to believe we could do it.

I wont hold my breath though.

And thatnks for putting up a decent, non agressive, calm refute of the disbelievers info.

The slanging matches get nowhere.
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From where? The Industrial Revolution? The Mesolithic? Rocketry goes back WELL before the Kennedy speech. The leap was from simple orbital flights to sufficient staging to land on the Moon and return. Still significant, but not like they had to invent spacecraft during the first year!

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And? The computational power jammed into an iPhone is driven by market forces. It is sold to the consumer as being important, inventive, and necessary. But for a vast majority of business tasks (or even daily tasks), it doesn't do much but get you a few percent improved efficiency -- wrapped up in a really fancy looking package.

Are you saying you can't build a steel mill, perform surgery, detect new subatomic particles, design an aircraft, win at Indianapolis without this year's computer? All of this is done more better with, but was done readily enough without. And it doesn't need a computer of some arbitrary quality. It isn't like someone comes along and says, "You can't do this computation; your video card isn't fast enough."

This is not saying computing wasn't necessary. It is saying you can't draw some arbitrary line. I mean; why not draw the line five years further, and say you couldn't do anything that we take for granted TODAY because we don't yet own the computers they will be making in 2025!

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Yes. It is a significant problem. Because nobody is interested in a reply. They are interested in long-duration missions, Mars missions, and the like, and solar radiation becomes more significant on that time frame.

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You don't know, yet you claim to know the missions weren't possible? I don't know what kind of tires they use at Indianapolis, so should I go around claiming F1's are impossible?

Incidentally, the lunar surface isn't significant. Yes, there is both naturally occurring nucleotides, and some short-lived isotopes from interaction with high-energy cosmic rays. But this background is well below what you'd see from the exposed rocks around a typical village in the Urals.

The primary danger is the Sun, and the danger there is the active Sun, aka solar flares. The typical spectrum from the quiet Sun has too little at significant energies to be that interesting. But a flare that hit you without proper warning and protection could ruin your day.

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That is incorrect. You may want to read up.

But you are also committing a prior error of assumption. The suit is not the equivalent of a man in shirtsleeves toting around an umbrella or whatever to protect himself from conditions. It is a thermos bottle.

Your typical cheap (but glass, mind you, not those fake plastic ones) thermos bottle can keep coffee hot through a twelve-hour shift. I've used them plenty of times for just that. Are you saying that NASA can't build something at LEAST as good as the thermos bottle workers used to pack in their lunch?

Point being, the temperature of the local rocks wasn't as important as the temperature of the man inside the suit -- and the electronics, as well. Plus the not inconsiderable issue that their breathing gas was compressed.

So the suit wasn't dealing with dramatic changes. It was dealing with a constant influx of heat that it had to get rid of. Heat in the ballpark of 100 watts, in fact. Which makes the math pretty simple, by the by.

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Lines seen on video (never photograph) are inconsistent. They don't show up in the same places, at the same kinds of times, and they don't show up in the RIGHT places. They don't pass through the center of gravity, they aren't placed where they would need to be to suspend.

Nor is there any movement of the handful the hoax believers like to talk about that is consistent with a pickup. There is always rotation in more than one plane. You just have to look properly to see it.

Nor are the moves "impossible." Just unexpected -- especially for people who haven't studied the suits and know nothing about their internal construction (no; it isn't just a bag filled with air, and it doesn't behave like a costume. It reacts significantly to movement, and in complex ways...there are both expansion joints and springs involved).



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No. I can't tell which you are referring to, but I can name the two most likely specifics (or, rather, one specific and one generalized group) and they can both be demonstrated at length to be incorrect.

But you'd have to make the effort to be specific before anyone would chase down which of these old claims you were referring to (the third-party mislabeled video segment, that is, or Jack White's infamous inability to do a simple overlay correctly).

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Not seen, not standard to any motion picture or television standard of lighting practice, not plausible by any practice in ANY lighting field I know of, not evident by ANY of the usual signs. In short; entirely the function of people with poor perceptual skills, strong pre-opinions, and a lack of any applicable experience that leads them to think they know how movies are lit (and prevents them from any knowledge of how light behaves in the real world).

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D'uh. Different application.

First off, you'd sweat yourself to death. The coolant system wasn't designed to work in atmosphere.

In other news, those new sharkskin suits that were all the rage a couple Olympics back are totally useless for ice diving. And no America's Cup yacht yet has proven to be any good at off-road driving.
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You are an idiot.

[link to science.nasa.gov]

NASA's Vision for Space Exploration calls for a return to the Moon as preparation for even longer journeys to Mars and beyond. But there's a potential showstopper: radiation.
Space beyond low-Earth orbit is awash with intense radiation from the Sun and from deep galactic sources such as supernovas. Astronauts en route to the Moon and Mars are going to be exposed to this radiation, increasing their risk of getting cancer and other maladies. Finding a good shield is important.

But wait didn't we have the kick-ass spacesuits back in the 60s and 70s?

Again your an idiot.
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Gee, I wonder if there's a difference in exposure between a week long moon mission and a months long Mars mission iamwith

BTW your last line should read "Again, you're an idiot." Master basic grammar and then take some science classes, k?
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There is but they are both as deadly.

At least I speak a foreign language you twat.
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Nope.
[link to i319.photobucket.com]
Nothing deadly at all about the expected radiation dose for Apollo.
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OP, one of the best researchers I have come across on the subject is Dave McGowan. He wrote a series called "wagging the moon doggie". It's very long and detailed, and provokes you to go further. Really good IMHO.

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It's not very good, in fact it's filled with lies.
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I wish I could stay and discuss it with you further, but I have plans to go visit the space center today. Might even stop by the Saturn v center ironically enough.
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If the program and subsequent propaganda was a lie, you show your bias and willingness to sustain the lie no matter what.
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Dave McGowan is the liar, that is what I showcased. Your willingness to sustain his lies shows your bias.
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Zoom in on the astronaut's visor in this photo:

[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]

I see the cameraman dressed in dark colors, with one foot either on or behind a rock.
 Quoting: Skeptic the First

lol That's the reflection of Charlie Duke's shadow, NOT John Young.

I also see a "snowman," perhaps an empty spacesuit.
 Quoting: Skeptic the First

Hilarious.

Have you ever used a spherical reflector?
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Another bobble head. "Yes sir I agree the Moon photos are fake." "No sir I promise not to think about it."
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Hoaxies are the most sheeplish of conspiracy fantasists.
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Dave McGowan is the liar, that is what I showcased. Your willingness to sustain his lies shows your bias.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

I challenged Dave's spambot to present what it thinks is Dave's best evidence.
No response.

Hoaxies are sheeple.
Can't think for themselves.
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Hey, so did you all watch that video I posted debunking the conspiracy?
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Yeah, it was very good AG. Nice to see a person making an argument quietly, and succinctly, and with a bit of humour thrown in too.

But I will repeat what I said earlier. The 'debunk team' defend the corporate show as gospel, and it was the way it was, whilst the folks who look for chinks in that armour are following something else.

So many people just dont believe it, and I'm one of them.

I dont hate the US, or NASA, or space, or the moon, or Man's achievements, but there is something "off" about the Apollo missions, and I think that is what is being picked up on by so many. A core lie, that is being expresed the best way some can.

You guys are very good, and obviously learned in your fields of interest, and it can be quite daunting to 'go up against you'.

I have always said that I wanna believe it all, and love watching presentations from both parties on the subject. In fact I approach most subjects like in that manner, and alwasy remain fluid.

I have a design and engineering background, and understand many of the technical aspects you guys talk about, and dig around to substantiate what I'm reading to try and grasp some of the concepts, especially if an equation is given for instance.

BUT!! - you guys have done nothing to sway my own gut feeling that something is rotten at the core of it all.

Information, and truth travels in many ways, but always finds its way out somehow. What is eventually revealed might not be that we never went there, it might be something entirely different again, but none the less a cover up of something not quite right.

Unfortunately, you cant debunk that.
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But I will repeat what I said earlier. The 'debunk team' defend the corporate show as gospel, and it was the way it was, whilst the folks who look for chinks in that armour are following something else.
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Pure and unadulterated projection.

Hoaxies mindlessly regurgitate what garishly-coloured "anti-establishment" websites told them to believe.
Hoaxies might be black sheep, but sheep non the less.
They are not even able to conceive of the notion of actually properly researching a subject and basing one's opinion on the results.
Hoaxies never study Apollo, this is blatantly demonstrated in every single hoax thread.

BUT!! - you guys have done nothing to sway my own gut feeling that something is rotten at the core of it all.
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The organ you're supposed to use for your thinking is NOT your stomach.

Unfortunately, you cant debunk that.
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Who the ef cares.

In over 40 years hoaxies haven't been able to proof that a single piece of the vast mountain of evidence for Man on the Moon was faked.
Your personal incredulity and paranoia are simply not relevant when it comes to establishing the truth.
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Hold a mirror up dude

Who the ef cares.

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Clearly you do! LOL

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Psalm 32:1 "Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered."
James 4:4 "Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God."
John 15:18-19 "If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. If ye were of this world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you."
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Yeah, it was very good AG. Nice to see a person making an argument quietly, and succinctly, and with a bit of humour thrown in too.

But I will repeat what I said earlier. The 'debunk team' defend the corporate show as gospel, and it was the way it was, whilst the folks who look for chinks in that armour are following something else.

So many people just dont believe it, and I'm one of them.

I dont hate the US, or NASA, or space, or the moon, or Man's achievements, but there is something "off" about the Apollo missions, and I think that is what is being picked up on by so many. A core lie, that is being expresed the best way some can.

You guys are very good, and obviously learned in your fields of interest, and it can be quite daunting to 'go up against you'.

I have always said that I wanna believe it all, and love watching presentations from both parties on the subject. In fact I approach most subjects like in that manner, and alwasy remain fluid.

I have a design and engineering background, and understand many of the technical aspects you guys talk about, and dig around to substantiate what I'm reading to try and grasp some of the concepts, especially if an equation is given for instance.

BUT!! - you guys have done nothing to sway my own gut feeling that something is rotten at the core of it all.

Information, and truth travels in many ways, but always finds its way out somehow. What is eventually revealed might not be that we never went there, it might be something entirely different again, but none the less a cover up of something not quite right.

Unfortunately, you cant debunk that.
 Quoting: BadHairDay


This.

There are so many discrepencies at this point that the argument for no consopiracy basically comes down to "trust me, science says we did it."

Unfortunatly for me and many others, the resivoir of trust has been exhausted. Our government lies. Period. Anyone saying otherwise at this point is either in denial or an operative for the Establishment.

Now that does not automatically mean that they lied about the moon. But when you consider just how important the space program is as part of the fabric of the establishment's efforts to control the narritive about our real situation in the cosmos, again it becomes a matter of denial to think they have not lied and manipulated the facts.

Guys like Astro can spend all day throwing numbers and history at what people on a gut instinct level feel is wrong, and the reason it does not and will not ever matter is he is ultimatly just "using a word in the definition of that word" i.e he is just using the Establishments own "facts" to prove more "facts". Its just more "Hey, trust me, I wouldn't lie to you, right?".

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Additionally, when you understand that "The Conspiracy" is motivated and played out on an esoteric level first and foremost the whole picture changes. Us going to the moon had absolutly nothing to do with the given reasons.

It was no coincidence that the astronauts of Apollo 11 were masons.

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This.

There are so many discrepencies at this point
 Quoting: Frank Frankson

I have yet to see a single discrepancy.
that the argument for no consopiracy basically comes down to "trust me, science says we did it."
 Quoting: frank

Better than saying a child wearing a sweater in a Kubrick film says we didn't do it.
Unfortunatly for me and many others, the resivoir of trust has been exhausted. Our government lies. Period.
 Quoting: frank

I see, so ISS doesn't exist either, right? Our government says it does and you just told me they lie, period, so it must be a lie just like Apollo. I guess that means I should disregard my own observational data that says it exists.
Anyone saying otherwise at this point is either in denial or an operative for the Establishment.
 Quoting: frank

No true scotsman fallacy.
Now that does not automatically mean that they lied about the moon.
 Quoting: franky

No, a scene in the movie The Shining means they lied about the moon.
But when you consider just how important the space program is as part of the fabric of the establishment's efforts to control the narritive about our real situation in the cosmos, again it becomes a matter of denial to think they have not lied and manipulated the facts.
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I see, so they lied about ISS as well; it's just as important to the narrative about the real situation in the cosmos and our place within it, PLUS it has all that fun international "one world order" stuff mixed in! TWO conspiracies for the price of one!
Guys like Astro can spend all day throwing numbers and history at what people on a gut instinct level feel is wrong, and the reason it does not and will not ever matter is he is ultimatly just "using a word in the definition of that word" i.e he is just using the Establishments own "facts" to prove more "facts". Its just more "Hey, trust me, I wouldn't lie to you, right?".
 Quoting: frank

I see, so amateur astronomers are now part of "the establishment." You're right about one thing, no amount of evidence can ever change that kind of irrational thinking. "Gut instinct" translates to, "I'm going to believe this no matter what evidence you throw at me." You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't use reason to get themselves into.
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This.

There are so many discrepencies at this point
 Quoting: Frank Frankson

I have yet to see a single discrepancy.
that the argument for no consopiracy basically comes down to "trust me, science says we did it."
 Quoting: frank

Better than saying a child wearing a sweater in a Kubrick film says we didn't do it.
Unfortunatly for me and many others, the resivoir of trust has been exhausted. Our government lies. Period.
 Quoting: frank

I see, so ISS doesn't exist either, right? Our government says it does and you just told me they lie, period, so it must be a lie just like Apollo. I guess that means I should disregard my own observational data that says it exists.
Anyone saying otherwise at this point is either in denial or an operative for the Establishment.
 Quoting: frank

No true scotsman fallacy.
Now that does not automatically mean that they lied about the moon.
 Quoting: franky

No, a scene in the movie The Shining means they lied about the moon.
But when you consider just how important the space program is as part of the fabric of the establishment's efforts to control the narritive about our real situation in the cosmos, again it becomes a matter of denial to think they have not lied and manipulated the facts.
 Quoting: frank

I see, so they lied about ISS as well; it's just as important to the narrative about the real situation in the cosmos and our place within it, PLUS it has all that fun international "one world order" stuff mixed in! TWO conspiracies for the price of one!
Guys like Astro can spend all day throwing numbers and history at what people on a gut instinct level feel is wrong, and the reason it does not and will not ever matter is he is ultimatly just "using a word in the definition of that word" i.e he is just using the Establishments own "facts" to prove more "facts". Its just more "Hey, trust me, I wouldn't lie to you, right?".
 Quoting: frank

I see, so amateur astronomers are now part of "the establishment." You're right about one thing, no amount of evidence can ever change that kind of irrational thinking. "Gut instinct" translates to, "I'm going to believe this no matter what evidence you throw at me." You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't use reason to get themselves into.
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Astro, buddy, no one here gives a shit about what you have to say who isn't already happy with everything their government tells them.

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This.

There are so many discrepencies at this point
 Quoting: Frank Frankson

I have yet to see a single discrepancy.
that the argument for no consopiracy basically comes down to "trust me, science says we did it."
 Quoting: frank

Better than saying a child wearing a sweater in a Kubrick film says we didn't do it.
Unfortunatly for me and many others, the resivoir of trust has been exhausted. Our government lies. Period.
 Quoting: frank

I see, so ISS doesn't exist either, right? Our government says it does and you just told me they lie, period, so it must be a lie just like Apollo. I guess that means I should disregard my own observational data that says it exists.
Anyone saying otherwise at this point is either in denial or an operative for the Establishment.
 Quoting: frank

No true scotsman fallacy.
Now that does not automatically mean that they lied about the moon.
 Quoting: franky

No, a scene in the movie The Shining means they lied about the moon.
But when you consider just how important the space program is as part of the fabric of the establishment's efforts to control the narritive about our real situation in the cosmos, again it becomes a matter of denial to think they have not lied and manipulated the facts.
 Quoting: frank

I see, so they lied about ISS as well; it's just as important to the narrative about the real situation in the cosmos and our place within it, PLUS it has all that fun international "one world order" stuff mixed in! TWO conspiracies for the price of one!
Guys like Astro can spend all day throwing numbers and history at what people on a gut instinct level feel is wrong, and the reason it does not and will not ever matter is he is ultimatly just "using a word in the definition of that word" i.e he is just using the Establishments own "facts" to prove more "facts". Its just more "Hey, trust me, I wouldn't lie to you, right?".
 Quoting: frank

I see, so amateur astronomers are now part of "the establishment." You're right about one thing, no amount of evidence can ever change that kind of irrational thinking. "Gut instinct" translates to, "I'm going to believe this no matter what evidence you throw at me." You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't use reason to get themselves into.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Astro, buddy, no one gives a shit what you have to say who isn't already happy with everything their government tells them.
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Well Frank, rational people like me don't really give a shit what your "gut" tells you. Even those of us who aren't happy with everything the government tells us. That includes me, despite your no true scotsman bullshit.
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But again, you just keep on using a word in the definition of that same the word.

Its what you do best.
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This.

There are so many discrepencies at this point
 Quoting: Frank Frankson

I have yet to see a single discrepancy.
that the argument for no consopiracy basically comes down to "trust me, science says we did it."
 Quoting: frank

Better than saying a child wearing a sweater in a Kubrick film says we didn't do it.
Unfortunatly for me and many others, the resivoir of trust has been exhausted. Our government lies. Period.
 Quoting: frank

I see, so ISS doesn't exist either, right? Our government says it does and you just told me they lie, period, so it must be a lie just like Apollo. I guess that means I should disregard my own observational data that says it exists.
Anyone saying otherwise at this point is either in denial or an operative for the Establishment.
 Quoting: frank

No true scotsman fallacy.
Now that does not automatically mean that they lied about the moon.
 Quoting: franky

No, a scene in the movie The Shining means they lied about the moon.
But when you consider just how important the space program is as part of the fabric of the establishment's efforts to control the narritive about our real situation in the cosmos, again it becomes a matter of denial to think they have not lied and manipulated the facts.
 Quoting: frank

I see, so they lied about ISS as well; it's just as important to the narrative about the real situation in the cosmos and our place within it, PLUS it has all that fun international "one world order" stuff mixed in! TWO conspiracies for the price of one!
Guys like Astro can spend all day throwing numbers and history at what people on a gut instinct level feel is wrong, and the reason it does not and will not ever matter is he is ultimatly just "using a word in the definition of that word" i.e he is just using the Establishments own "facts" to prove more "facts". Its just more "Hey, trust me, I wouldn't lie to you, right?".
 Quoting: frank

I see, so amateur astronomers are now part of "the establishment." You're right about one thing, no amount of evidence can ever change that kind of irrational thinking. "Gut instinct" translates to, "I'm going to believe this no matter what evidence you throw at me." You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't use reason to get themselves into.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Astro, buddy, no one gives a shit what you have to say who isn't already happy with everything their government tells them.
 Quoting: Frank Frankson


Well Frank, rational people like me don't really give a shit what your "gut" tells you. Even those of us who aren't happy with everything the government tells us. That includes me, despite your no true scotsman bullshit.
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Lol, I would love to know just what you arn't happy with the government telling you.
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But again, you just keep on using a word in the definition of that same the word.

Its what you do best.
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What "word" are you talking about and where do you see me "defining" the word?
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Re: Do you really think man walked on the moon/???
But again, you just keep on using a word in the definition of that same the word.

Its what you do best.
 Quoting: Frank Frankson


What "word" are you talking about and where do you see me "defining" the word?
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


ROFLOL. Are you serious?

You've never heard the rule that you can not use a word within the definition of that same word?

It's called a recursive definition or a tautology.

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Re: Do you really think man walked on the moon/???
But again, you just keep on using a word in the definition of that same the word.

Its what you do best.
 Quoting: Frank Frankson


What "word" are you talking about and where do you see me "defining" the word?
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


ROFLOL. Are you serious?

You've never heard the rule that you can not use a word within the definition of that same word?

It's called a recursive definition or a tautology.
 Quoting: Frank Frankson


I am using this as a metaphore of your style of "debunking."

You use NASA provided information and numbers to try to convince people that NASA does not lie.

It doesn't work, just how using a word in its own definition does not work.

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Re: Do you really think man walked on the moon/???
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I have yet to see a single discrepancy.
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Better than saying a child wearing a sweater in a Kubrick film says we didn't do it.
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I see, so ISS doesn't exist either, right? Our government says it does and you just told me they lie, period, so it must be a lie just like Apollo. I guess that means I should disregard my own observational data that says it exists.
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No true scotsman fallacy.
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No, a scene in the movie The Shining means they lied about the moon.
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I see, so they lied about ISS as well; it's just as important to the narrative about the real situation in the cosmos and our place within it, PLUS it has all that fun international "one world order" stuff mixed in! TWO conspiracies for the price of one!
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I see, so amateur astronomers are now part of "the establishment." You're right about one thing, no amount of evidence can ever change that kind of irrational thinking. "Gut instinct" translates to, "I'm going to believe this no matter what evidence you throw at me." You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't use reason to get themselves into.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Astro, buddy, no one gives a shit what you have to say who isn't already happy with everything their government tells them.
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Well Frank, rational people like me don't really give a shit what your "gut" tells you. Even those of us who aren't happy with everything the government tells us. That includes me, despite your no true scotsman bullshit.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Lol, I would love to know just what you arn't happy with the government telling you.
 Quoting: Frank Frankson


I'm not happy with all the double-speak regarding the Saudi national at the Boston bombing and his terrorist-not-terrorist status/reason for deportation. I'm not happy with NASA initially downplaying how survivable the initial breakup of space shuttle challenger was. I'm not happy when STScI takes a greyscale image of ISON from Hubble and makes it monochromatic blue to make it prettier but uses the thinly veiled excuse that they did it to "bring out detail."
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Re: Do you really think man walked on the moon/???
But again, you just keep on using a word in the definition of that same the word.

Its what you do best.
 Quoting: Frank Frankson


What "word" are you talking about and where do you see me "defining" the word?
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


ROFLOL. Are you serious?

You've never heard the rule that you can not use a word within the definition of that same word?

It's called a recursive definition or a tautology.
 Quoting: Frank Frankson


What "word" are you talking about and where do you see me "defining" the word? I did not ask you to give me a definition of tautology, I asked you to point out where I engaged in it. Since you have chosen not to answer my question I will take this as a concession.
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Astro, buddy, no one gives a shit what you have to say who isn't already happy with everything their government tells them.
 Quoting: Frank Frankson


Well Frank, rational people like me don't really give a shit what your "gut" tells you. Even those of us who aren't happy with everything the government tells us. That includes me, despite your no true scotsman bullshit.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Lol, I would love to know just what you arn't happy with the government telling you.
 Quoting: Frank Frankson


I'm not happy with all the double-speak regarding the Saudi national at the Boston bombing and his terrorist-not-terrorist status/reason for deportation. I'm not happy with NASA initially downplaying how survivable the initial breakup of space shuttle challenger was. I'm not happy when STScI takes a greyscale image of ISON from Hubble and makes it monochromatic blue to make it prettier but uses the thinly veiled excuse that they did it to "bring out detail."
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Oh what I would give to only have your "concerns" with things at this point.
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Re: Do you really think man walked on the moon/???
But again, you just keep on using a word in the definition of that same the word.

Its what you do best.
 Quoting: Frank Frankson


What "word" are you talking about and where do you see me "defining" the word?
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


ROFLOL. Are you serious?

You've never heard the rule that you can not use a word within the definition of that same word?

It's called a recursive definition or a tautology.
 Quoting: Frank Frankson


What "word" are you talking about and where do you see me "defining" the word? I did not ask you to give me a definition of tautology, I asked you to point out where I engaged in it. Since you have chosen not to answer my question I will take this as a concession.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Ok Mr. Scientist. I guess metaphores arn't literal enough for you to follow.
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Re: Do you really think man walked on the moon/???
I have my doubts, anyone agree that no man ever walked on the moon?
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Yes. I spoke to an astronaut who held moon rocks in his hands.
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Re: Do you really think man walked on the moon/???
You use NASA provided information and numbers to try to convince people that NASA does not lie.
 Quoting: Frank Frankson


BULLSHIT! You have NO fucking idea the lengths I go to in order to test conspiracy claims about NASA by using NON-NASA DATA! For the past month I have been traveling to libraries all over my goddamn state on the weekends just to avoid using a shred of NASA data in my latest debunking. For you to sit there and claim all I do is use NASA data is a slap in the face. I suppose this shouldn't surprise me, no one here goes to this level of effort, but I'm still shocked that people don't even understand what it is I present when I'm done.
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Re: Do you really think man walked on the moon/???
I tend to believe that we did go to the moon. For one reason there are thousands of moon rocks that have been studied in thousands of different labs all over the world. From what I understand these rocks are different than our own. So if they are unlike earth rocks then where did they come from?

Then there is Apollo 13. They would have had to fake that for 3 days.

Then there is Ham radio. I'm sure there were many ham operators listening in on the communications. They would have figured out something was wrong when communication ability did not coincide with line of sight with the moon, but with the typical orbital pattern that they had all probably become accustomed to from all the early apollo, gemini, and mercury flights.
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I would be depressed if my brain operated like yours.
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Re: Do you really think man walked on the moon/???
You use NASA provided information and numbers to try to convince people that NASA does not lie.
 Quoting: Frank Frankson


BULLSHIT! You have NO fucking idea the lengths I go to in order to test conspiracy claims about NASA by using NON-NASA DATA! For the past month I have been traveling to libraries all over my goddamn state on the weekends just to avoid using a shred of NASA data in my latest debunking. For you to sit there and claim all I do is use NASA data is a slap in the face. I suppose this shouldn't surprise me, no one here goes to this level of effort, but I'm still shocked that people don't even understand what it is I present when I'm done.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Well, consider the glove removed and used in said slapping.

Also, sounds like you should maybe reconsider whether it is actually worth your time putting so much effort in to " debunking" a conspiracy oriented website. You will probably find more appreciation for your efforts elsewhere.

Does NASA.com have a forum?

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