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The two witnesses in different books

 
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The two witnesses in different books
THE VISION:

To join back together the lost 10 tribes with the 2 tribes that Make up geographical Israel today

Israel was one whole nation and was called the "firstborn son of God". Then it became divided after King Solomon

Judah and benjamin made up the southern kingdom

The other 10 tribes made up the northern kingdom

When the southern kingdom and the northern kingdom become joined again both houses will become one and be called "Israel my firstborn son"



Same story as Adam and Eve Eve was always in Adam but was brought forth from Adam.

The 2 separated and then joined to produce the physical temple

In the end Adam and Eve are separated but will join after the furnace of affliction and come into union to produce a spiritual kingdom from the physical kingdom they started in the beginning

Adam and Eve are the firstborn son of God just as the nation of Israel though in a separated state right now will be considered the "firstborn son of God" the masculine and feminine joined





Key
Blue = witness representing king side of Jesus
Pink = witness representing priest side of Jesus
Yellow = both witnesses working together






You see the 2 witnesses in the volume of the book:
Adam Eve
Moses Aaron
Enoch Elijah
Zerubbabel Joshua

The stories in the bible of each of these people and many more represent parts the 2 witnesses will play in the endtimes

When The word says I will send you Elijah before the coming of the great and terrible day of the Lord that is the office that will be displayed at that time. The office of Elijah

And yet the Elijah office will also turn into the Aaron office and the Joshua office and the Eve office a these are all the priestly sides

The office of Enoch will also turn into the office of Moses and the office of Zerubbabel and Adam..etc

Both sides will have many roles between Them and we know the first role will be the coming of the Elijah office to give the people the chance to repent before judgement comes



dividedkingdom

This will be a backwards exodus from the One in moses time

The lost 10 tribes(northern kingdom) went into captivity by the assyrians and never returned to their land

135 years later the other 2 tribes the southern kingdom went into captivity by the babylonians

The southern kingdom did regroup and are the 2 tribes that make up geographical Israel today


I believe the lost 10 tribes are in the land of milk and honey just as God promised they would be which is the United States the nation that has all the riches of the world

Those lost 10 tribes people have turned their land of milk and honey into a land of EGYPT(full of idols) and have turned away from God

God will take those lost 10 tribe people out of the Egypt they have created kicking and screaming because those people love their houses, cars , electronics...etc more than they love God

So God will take them out of the country using the enemy to overcome them take them out of the land of milk and honey into the desert, into slavery for 42 months until they become a holy people again

Then God raises up the Moses and Aaron type(two witnesses) to lead the people and teach them righteousness and to divide the sea once again so the jews will know this is the moshiach they have waited for and all will be led back to Jesus and Israel will be one again and be called the "Israel my firstborn son"

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Article from 2011:
During our Bible study tour of Egypt this past week, we visited the two suggested sites of the Israelites crossing. The most compelling archeological find is the above pillar that was placed by Solomon to be a memorial of the Israelite crossing led by Moses. The day at the sight is quite fun as we pull out our Bibles and discuss the various geographical markers. The pillar itself has had the etchings removed. Isaiah 19:19 states “In that day there will be an altar to the LORD in the heart of Egypt, and a monument to the LORD at its border. ” Could this pillar be that monument?

Explorer Ron Wyatt in 1984 wrote that there was a matching pillar was found on the other side of the Gulf in Saudi Arabia. On the Saudi pillar were Hebrew inscriptions that included the words, “Mizraim” (Egypt), Pharaoh, Moses, death, water, Yahweh, Solomon and Edom.

The name of the place where the pillar is placed is called Nuweiba, or Nuwayba, short for Nuwayba al Muzayyinah which means “waters of Moses opening.” For those of you who enjoy snorkeling or scuba diving there are remains of chariots and wheels under water at the site too. A Bible-based study tour of Egypt is critical to see sites that are important to the Jewish and Christian faith






Isaiah19:

19 In that day shall there be an altar to the Lord in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof to the Lord.

20 And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the Lord of hosts in the land of Egypt: for they shall cry unto the Lord because of the oppressors, and he shall send them a saviour, and a great one(two witnesses), and he shall deliver them.

Notice 2 pillars one on left side and one on the right side of the crossing:

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This is showing a 2nd exodus if you read it as it says second time and as it was.(highlighted below

Isaiah 11:
11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.

14 But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the west; they shall spoil them of the east together: they shall lay their hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall obey them.

NEXT VERSE PARTING OF THE SEA A SECOND TIME
15 And the Lord shall utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea; and with his mighty wind shall he shake his hand over the river, and shall smite it in the seven streams, and make men go over dryshod.

16 And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.


When the jews see this they will know that this is the moashiach they have waited for and the 2 witnesses will lead the jews to Jesus for salvation and ALL OF ISRAEL WILL BE JOINED BACK TOGETHER and the OLIVE TREE WILL BE ONEZechariah 3


Key:
One witness is a "Priest" and one witness is a "King"

Pink/violet = "Priest"
Blue = "King"
yellow = "both king and priest working together"



King James Version (KJV)

3 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.

2 And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?

3 Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel.

4 And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment.

5 And I said, Let them set a fair mitre upon his head. So they set a fair mitre upon his head, and clothed him with garments. And the angel of the Lord stood by.

6 And the angel of the Lord protested unto Joshua, saying,

7 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; If thou wilt walk in my ways, and if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou shalt also judge my house, and shalt also keep my courts, and I will give thee places to walk among these that stand by.

8 Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the Branch.

9 For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the Lord of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.

10 In that day, saith the Lord of hosts, shall ye call every man his neighbour under the vine and under the fig tree.


Zechariah 4

King James Version (KJV)

4 And the angel that talked with me came again, and waked me, as a man that is wakened out of his sleep.

2 And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof:

3 And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.

4 So I answered and spake to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord?

5 Then the angel that talked with me answered and said unto me, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.

6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the Lord unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the Lord of hosts.

7 Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it.

8 Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,

9 The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house; his hands shall also finish it; and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto you.

10 For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they are the eyes of the Lord, which run to and fro through the whole earth.

11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?

12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?

13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.

14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.


Zechariah 6

King James Version (KJV)

6 And I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came four chariots out from between two mountains; and the mountains were mountains of brass.

2 In the first chariot were red horses; and in the second chariot black horses;

3 And in the third chariot white horses; and in the fourth chariot grisled and bay horses.

4 Then I answered and said unto the angel that talked with me, What are these, my lord?

5 And the angel answered and said unto me, These are the four spirits of the heavens, which go forth from standing before the Lord of all the earth.

6 The black horses which are therein go forth into the north country; and the white go forth after them; and the grisled go forth toward the south country.

7 And the bay went forth, and sought to go that they might walk to and fro through the earth: and he said, Get you hence, walk to and fro through the earth. So they walked to and fro through the earth.

8 Then cried he upon me, and spake unto me, saying, Behold, these that go toward the north country have quieted my spirit in the north country.

9 And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,

10 Take of them of the captivity, even of Heldai, of Tobijah, and of Jedaiah, which are come from Babylon, and come thou the same day, and go into the house of Josiah the son of Zephaniah;

11 Then take silver and gold, and make crowns, and set them upon the head of Joshua the son of Josedech, the high priest;

12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The Branch; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord:

13 Even he shall build the temple of the Lord; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

14 And the crowns shall be to Helem, and to Tobijah, and to Jedaiah, and to Hen the son of Zephaniah, for a memorial in the temple of the Lord.

15 And they that are far off shall come and build in the temple of the Lord, and ye shall know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto you. And this shall come to pass, if ye will diligently obey the voice of the Lord your God.

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Rev 11:

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
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Numbers 24:17:

I shall see him, but not now: I shall behold him, but not near: there shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Scepter shall rise out of Israel, and shall crush the forehead of Moab, and destroy all the children of Sheth.
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Key
Blue is the king
Pink is the priest
yellow is them working together




Jeremiah 23 shows the Zerubbabel half of the Branch

Jeremiah 23:5-6

King James Version (KJV)

5 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice(righteousness) in the earth.

6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby "he" shall be called, The Lord Our Righteousness.




Jeremiah 33 shows the Joshua half of the Branch
...notice no mention of the word "King" in these verses that is because it is the "Priest" side...the world is made up of male and female the kingdom of God is made up of kings and priests...kings masculine and priests feminine but not of the nature as we think of male and female on earth.

15 In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land.

16 In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith "she" shall be called, The Lord our righteousness.

17 For thus saith the Lord; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne(King) of the house of Israel;

18 Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.

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KEY:
Blue is the king
Pink is the priest
Yellow is them working together as one
Red is Jesus

Isaiah 42

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42 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.

3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.

4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.

5 Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:

6 I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.

8 I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.

10 Sing unto the Lord a new song, and his praise from the end of the earth, ye that go down to the sea, and all that is therein; the isles, and the inhabitants thereof.

11 Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains.

12 Let them give glory unto the Lord, and declare his praise in the islands.

13 The Lord shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.

14 I have long time holden my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself: now will I cry like a travailing woman; I will destroy and devour at once.

15 I will make waste mountains and hills, and dry up all their herbs; and I will make the rivers islands, and I will dry up the pools.

16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.

17 They shall be turned back, they shall be greatly ashamed, that trust in graven images, that say to the molten images, Ye are our gods.

18 Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see.

19 Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the Lord's servant?

20 Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not.
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You ca check them out on Quarton's coronation of the virgin masterpiece.
One is great monarch along Nostradamus and the other is last pope.
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KEY:

Blue is the king
Pink is the priest
Yellow is them working together
Red is Jesus:

Isaiah 44

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44 Yet now hear, O Jacob my servant; and Israel, whom I have chosen:

2 Thus saith the Lord that made thee, and formed thee from the womb, which will help thee; Fear not, O Jacob, my servant; and thou, Jesurun, whom I have chosen.

3 For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring

4 And they shall spring up as among the grass, as willows by the water courses.

5 One shall say, I am the Lord's; and another shall call himself by the name of Jacob; and another shall subscribe with his hand unto the Lord, and surname himself by the name of Israel.

6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

7 And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them.

8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

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The great monarch is in the upper left with the big hat. That is why some jews have a big hat. Next to him in black = Michel de NotreDame. Jews are waiting for Eliajh's return but the thing they don't know is that Eliajh will be catholic and last king of France. Same for shiit and El Madhi.

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Do you mean that a man and a woman will be the two witnesses?
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Do you mean that a man and a woman will be the two witnesses?
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Galatians 3:28:
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

male and female was needed on earth to populate the earth. Galatians says there is no need for male and female for we are all one in Christ Jesus in the end

To me the gender in heaven is priests and kings (this is only my opinion) and I see the kings as masculine and priests in the spiritual sense in the kingdom as feminine)......so the two witnesses could be either gender but Revelation makes it appear as if they are 2 prophets and Zechariah calls them sons of oil,,,so masculine and feminine in the sense of king and priest in spiritual sense. I'm sure I didn't explain that very well.
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Do you mean that a man and a woman will be the two witnesses?
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Galatians 3:28:
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

male and female was needed on earth to populate the earth. Galatians says there is no need for male and female for we are all one in Christ Jesus in the end

To me the gender in heaven is priests and kings (this is only my opinion) and I see the kings as masculine and priests in the spiritual sense in the kingdom as feminine)......so the two witnesses could be either gender but Revelation makes it appear as if they are 2 prophets and Zechariah calls them sons of oil,,,so masculine and feminine in the sense of king and priest in spiritual sense. I'm sure I didn't explain that very well.
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Thank you for explaining. That makes sense
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Malachi 2:

1And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you.
2If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the Lord of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart.
3Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it.
4And ye shall know that I have sent this commandment unto you, that my covenant might be with Levi, saith the Lord of hosts.
5My covenant was with him of life and peace; and I gave them to him for the fear wherewith he feared me, and was afraid before my name.
6The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity.
7For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the Lord of hosts.

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KEY:
The 2 witnesses one being a king and one a priest
Blue = king
Pink = priest

Psalm 23

King James Version (KJV)

23 The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want.

2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.

6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever.
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KEY:

Blue = king
Pink = priest
Yellow = priest and king working together
Red = Jesus

Isaiah 11

King James Version (KJV)

11 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

2 And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;

3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:

4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked
(same as the two witnesses do in Rev 11 fire procedeth out of their mouth and destroys their enemies.)

5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.

6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.

9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.

10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.

14 But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the west; they shall spoil them of the east together: they shall lay their hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall obey them.

15 And the Lord shall utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea; and with his mighty wind shall he shake his hand over the river, and shall smite it in the seven streams, and make men go over dryshod.(This is showing a second parting of the sea as in the times of Moses and Aaron but this time is is Judah and Ephraim the two witnesses)

16 And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.
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King = blue
Jesus = red

Psalm 2

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2 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying,

3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

11 Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
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The two become 1:


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Messiah ben David and messiah ben Joseph. Jesus was ben Joseph the first time he came and will be Messiah ben David
after he returns. The two witnesses will play these parts in the endtimes messiah ben joseph(priest) messiah ben David(king), to re-unite the lost 10 tribes with the 2 tribes of Judah and benjamin

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Oh wow, this looks very interesting indeed!

Love how you made the distinction between masculine and feminine aspects of Scripture and the Two Witnesses.

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KEY:

Blue = king
Pink = priest
Yellow = priest and king working together
Red = Jesus

Isaiah 11

King James Version (KJV)

11 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

2 And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;

3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:

4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked
(same as the two witnesses do in Rev 11 fire procedeth out of their mouth and destroys their enemies.)

5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.

6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.

9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.

10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.

14 But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the west; they shall spoil them of the east together: they shall lay their hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall obey them.

15 And the Lord shall utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea; and with his mighty wind shall he shake his hand over the river, and shall smite it in the seven streams, and make men go over dryshod.(This is showing a second parting of the sea as in the times of Moses and Aaron but this time is is Judah and Ephraim the two witnesses)

16 And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.

 Quoting: waterman
The two witnesses are referred to as they/them in(Rev.11). Then in another thread you say the two witnesses are Adam and Eve. And you show where God said he was to bless them and they were to be fruitful and multiply. How you get the two witnesses out of that, and then say later in this thread that the two witnesses are not representative of a male (Adam) and Female (Eve) but two males, contradicting your own words. Now, throughout this thread and some of your other threads; you take what is obviously referring to a single individual him/his/he in the passages and you change it to a them/they concept. It seems you want it to work, however, you can manipulate the word of God to propagate your own personal meaning. Regardless, of how many changes you must make; adding to and taking from God's word is not the proper course of deciphering the word. God says him/he/his, God means him/his/he, not them/they! These passages are evidently speaking about an individual not two or a group or of any private interpretation. These passages are speaking of an individual, singular, not plural. God is not the author of confusion, God is able to make plain that which is spoken. God doesn't need any adding or subtracting from his word to make a new sound or project a new meaning or to bring about a perfected interpretation. Through this effort, this leads whole passages of the word toward a completely different direction then what it was intended to accomplish..the correct interpretation!
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KEY:

Blue = king
Pink = priest
Yellow = priest and king working together
Red = Jesus

Isaiah 11

King James Version (KJV)

11 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

2 And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;

3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:

4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked
(same as the two witnesses do in Rev 11 fire procedeth out of their mouth and destroys their enemies.)

5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.

6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.

9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.

10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.

14 But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the west; they shall spoil them of the east together: they shall lay their hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall obey them.

15 And the Lord shall utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea; and with his mighty wind shall he shake his hand over the river, and shall smite it in the seven streams, and make men go over dryshod.(This is showing a second parting of the sea as in the times of Moses and Aaron but this time is is Judah and Ephraim the two witnesses)

16 And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.

 Quoting: waterman
The two witnesses are referred to as they/them in(Rev.11). Then in another thread you say the two witnesses are Adam and Eve. And you show where God said he was to bless them and they were to be fruitful and multiply. How you get the two witnesses out of that, and then say later in this thread that the two witnesses are not representative of a male (Adam) and Female (Eve) but two males, contradicting your own words. Now, throughout this thread and some of your other threads; you take what is obviously referring to a single individual him/his/he in the passages and you change it to a them/they concept. It seems you want it to work, however, you can manipulate the word of God to propagate your own personal meaning. Regardless, of how many changes you must make; adding to and taking from God's word is not the proper course of deciphering the word. God says him/he/his, God means him/his/he, not them/they! These passages are evidently speaking about an individual not two or a group or of any private interpretation. These passages are speaking of an individual, singular, not plural. God is not the author of confusion, God is able to make plain that which is spoken. God doesn't need any adding or subtracting from his word to make a new sound or project a new meaning or to bring about a perfected interpretation. Through this effort, this leads whole passages of the word toward a completely different direction then what it was intended to accomplish..the correct interpretation!
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I guess we will have to agree to disagree because the 2 witnesses are clearly a priest and a king and the bible shows those 2 offices are to be kept separate. Read the story of king uzziah who tried to be the priest and king and then was struck with leprosy. Also watch the video I posted a couple up it shows how the word anointed can be singular or plural
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2 witnesses 2 anointed 2 messiahs


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KEY:

Blue = king
Pink = priest
Yellow = priest and king working together
Red = Jesus

Isaiah 11

King James Version (KJV)

11 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

2 And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;

3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:

4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked
(same as the two witnesses do in Rev 11 fire procedeth out of their mouth and destroys their enemies.)

5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.

6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.

9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.

10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.

14 But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the west; they shall spoil them of the east together: they shall lay their hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall obey them.

15 And the Lord shall utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea; and with his mighty wind shall he shake his hand over the river, and shall smite it in the seven streams, and make men go over dryshod.(This is showing a second parting of the sea as in the times of Moses and Aaron but this time is is Judah and Ephraim the two witnesses)

16 And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.

 Quoting: waterman
The two witnesses are referred to as they/them in(Rev.11). Then in another thread you say the two witnesses are Adam and Eve. And you show where God said he was to bless them and they were to be fruitful and multiply. How you get the two witnesses out of that, and then say later in this thread that the two witnesses are not representative of a male (Adam) and Female (Eve) but two males, contradicting your own words. Now, throughout this thread and some of your other threads; you take what is obviously referring to a single individual him/his/he in the passages and you change it to a them/they concept. It seems you want it to work, however, you can manipulate the word of God to propagate your own personal meaning. Regardless, of how many changes you must make; adding to and taking from God's word is not the proper course of deciphering the word. God says him/he/his, God means him/his/he, not them/they! These passages are evidently speaking about an individual not two or a group or of any private interpretation. These passages are speaking of an individual, singular, not plural. God is not the author of confusion, God is able to make plain that which is spoken. God doesn't need any adding or subtracting from his word to make a new sound or project a new meaning or to bring about a perfected interpretation. Through this effort, this leads whole passages of the word toward a completely different direction then what it was intended to accomplish..the correct interpretation!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347


I guess we will have to agree to disagree because the 2 witnesses are clearly a priest and a king and the bible shows those 2 offices are to be kept separate. Read the story of king uzziah who tried to be the priest and king and then was struck with leprosy. Also watch the video I posted a couple up it shows how the word anointed can be singular or plural

 Quoting: waterman
That still has no bearing on these passages, on this individual. Under that logic every passage in the Bible speaking about an individual could be assumed it was referring to two individual or more, simply because they are anointed. You cannot apply your own interpretation and then expect obedient compliance and agreement simply because you say it is so.
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KEY:

Blue = king
Pink = priest
Yellow = priest and king working together
Red = Jesus

Isaiah 11

King James Version (KJV)

11 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

2 And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;

3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:

4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked
(same as the two witnesses do in Rev 11 fire procedeth out of their mouth and destroys their enemies.)

5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.

6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.

9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.

10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.

14 But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the west; they shall spoil them of the east together: they shall lay their hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall obey them.

15 And the Lord shall utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea; and with his mighty wind shall he shake his hand over the river, and shall smite it in the seven streams, and make men go over dryshod.(This is showing a second parting of the sea as in the times of Moses and Aaron but this time is is Judah and Ephraim the two witnesses)

16 And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.

 Quoting: waterman
The two witnesses are referred to as they/them in(Rev.11). Then in another thread you say the two witnesses are Adam and Eve. And you show where God said he was to bless them and they were to be fruitful and multiply. How you get the two witnesses out of that, and then say later in this thread that the two witnesses are not representative of a male (Adam) and Female (Eve) but two males, contradicting your own words. Now, throughout this thread and some of your other threads; you take what is obviously referring to a single individual him/his/he in the passages and you change it to a them/they concept. It seems you want it to work, however, you can manipulate the word of God to propagate your own personal meaning. Regardless, of how many changes you must make; adding to and taking from God's word is not the proper course of deciphering the word. God says him/he/his, God means him/his/he, not them/they! These passages are evidently speaking about an individual not two or a group or of any private interpretation. These passages are speaking of an individual, singular, not plural. God is not the author of confusion, God is able to make plain that which is spoken. God doesn't need any adding or subtracting from his word to make a new sound or project a new meaning or to bring about a perfected interpretation. Through this effort, this leads whole passages of the word toward a completely different direction then what it was intended to accomplish..the correct interpretation!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347


I guess we will have to agree to disagree because the 2 witnesses are clearly a priest and a king and the bible shows those 2 offices are to be kept separate. Read the story of king uzziah who tried to be the priest and king and then was struck with leprosy. Also watch the video I posted a couple up it shows how the word anointed can be singular or plural

 Quoting: waterman
That still has no bearing on these passages, on this individual. Under that logic every passage in the Bible speaking about an individual could be assumed it was referring to two individual or more, simply because they are anointed. You cannot apply your own interpretation and then expect obedient compliance and agreement simply because you say it is so.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347



When something is joined in union it is considered 1. Not 2 just 1...I can tell from your posts that this is something you cannot accept. The "Branch" is the ones building the temple which is Joshuah the priest and zerubbabel the king. They are 2 different people but are considered "the man" the Branch.........really my posts just make you angry and are of no value to you. Why do you visit them?

12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Behold "the man" whose name is The Branch; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord:

13 Even he shall build the temple of the Lord; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.
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The two witnesses are referred to as they/them in(Rev.11). Then in another thread you say the two witnesses are Adam and Eve. And you show where God said he was to bless them and they were to be fruitful and multiply. How you get the two witnesses out of that, and then say later in this thread that the two witnesses are not representative of a male (Adam) and Female (Eve) but two males, contradicting your own words. Now, throughout this thread and some of your other threads; you take what is obviously referring to a single individual him/his/he in the passages and you change it to a them/they concept. It seems you want it to work, however, you can manipulate the word of God to propagate your own personal meaning. Regardless, of how many changes you must make; adding to and taking from God's word is not the proper course of deciphering the word. God says him/he/his, God means him/his/he, not them/they! These passages are evidently speaking about an individual not two or a group or of any private interpretation. These passages are speaking of an individual, singular, not plural. God is not the author of confusion, God is able to make plain that which is spoken. God doesn't need any adding or subtracting from his word to make a new sound or project a new meaning or to bring about a perfected interpretation. Through this effort, this leads whole passages of the word toward a completely different direction then what it was intended to accomplish..the correct interpretation!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347


I guess we will have to agree to disagree because the 2 witnesses are clearly a priest and a king and the bible shows those 2 offices are to be kept separate. Read the story of king uzziah who tried to be the priest and king and then was struck with leprosy. Also watch the video I posted a couple up it shows how the word anointed can be singular or plural

 Quoting: waterman
That still has no bearing on these passages, on this individual. Under that logic every passage in the Bible speaking about an individual could be assumed it was referring to two individual or more, simply because they are anointed. You cannot apply your own interpretation and then expect obedient compliance and agreement simply because you say it is so.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347



When something is joined in union it is considered 1. Not 2 just 1...I can tell from your posts that this is something you cannot accept. The "Branch" is the ones building the temple which is Joshuah the priest and zerubbabel the king. They are 2 different people but are considered "the man" the Branch.........really my posts just make you angry and are of no value to you. Why do you visit them?

12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Behold "the man" whose name is The Branch; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord:

13 Even he shall build the temple of the Lord; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

 Quoting: waterman
That has nothing to do with the Isa.11 chapter you have been quoting, or I have been discussing. You want to change the who subject now and go to a different book of the Bible and a totally different topic.
Your posts don't make me angry, and the value portion of your post is to help you better understand the word. I visit your posts because I believe we should question scripture contents applied in different manners. These concepts should not just be complied with simply because you do not want to run into any disagreement from other. If you desire to post controversial comments, perhaps you should expect adverse reactions. The solution is to defend your position in a logical order. Not to just tell the person not to visit your post. If everyone that post got upset because they didn't like anyone disagreeing with them, well that would seem rather silly wouldn't it. Calm down OP I am not your enemy. I just do not agree with your interpretation of certain portions of Scripture.
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The two witnesses are referred to as they/them in(Rev.11). Then in another thread you say the two witnesses are Adam and Eve. And you show where God said he was to bless them and they were to be fruitful and multiply. How you get the two witnesses out of that, and then say later in this thread that the two witnesses are not representative of a male (Adam) and Female (Eve) but two males, contradicting your own words. Now, throughout this thread and some of your other threads; you take what is obviously referring to a single individual him/his/he in the passages and you change it to a them/they concept. It seems you want it to work, however, you can manipulate the word of God to propagate your own personal meaning. Regardless, of how many changes you must make; adding to and taking from God's word is not the proper course of deciphering the word. God says him/he/his, God means him/his/he, not them/they! These passages are evidently speaking about an individual not two or a group or of any private interpretation. These passages are speaking of an individual, singular, not plural. God is not the author of confusion, God is able to make plain that which is spoken. God doesn't need any adding or subtracting from his word to make a new sound or project a new meaning or to bring about a perfected interpretation. Through this effort, this leads whole passages of the word toward a completely different direction then what it was intended to accomplish..the correct interpretation!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347


I guess we will have to agree to disagree because the 2 witnesses are clearly a priest and a king and the bible shows those 2 offices are to be kept separate. Read the story of king uzziah who tried to be the priest and king and then was struck with leprosy. Also watch the video I posted a couple up it shows how the word anointed can be singular or plural

 Quoting: waterman
That still has no bearing on these passages, on this individual. Under that logic every passage in the Bible speaking about an individual could be assumed it was referring to two individual or more, simply because they are anointed. You cannot apply your own interpretation and then expect obedient compliance and agreement simply because you say it is so.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347



When something is joined in union it is considered 1. Not 2 just 1...I can tell from your posts that this is something you cannot accept. The "Branch" is the ones building the temple which is Joshuah the priest and zerubbabel the king. They are 2 different people but are considered "the man" the Branch.........really my posts just make you angry and are of no value to you. Why do you visit them?

12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Behold "the man" whose name is The Branch; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord:

13 Even he shall build the temple of the Lord; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.
 Quoting: waterman


let me clarify that so you don't take it the wrong way...it isn't I don't want you to visit my posts, it just seems like you only go away mad and really don't get anything from them. I like your comments cuz it adds to the discussion but I don't like people going away angry.
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I guess we will have to agree to disagree because the 2 witnesses are clearly a priest and a king and the bible shows those 2 offices are to be kept separate. Read the story of king uzziah who tried to be the priest and king and then was struck with leprosy. Also watch the video I posted a couple up it shows how the word anointed can be singular or plural

 Quoting: waterman
That still has no bearing on these passages, on this individual. Under that logic every passage in the Bible speaking about an individual could be assumed it was referring to two individual or more, simply because they are anointed. You cannot apply your own interpretation and then expect obedient compliance and agreement simply because you say it is so.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22728347



When something is joined in union it is considered 1. Not 2 just 1...I can tell from your posts that this is something you cannot accept. The "Branch" is the ones building the temple which is Joshuah the priest and zerubbabel the king. They are 2 different people but are considered "the man" the Branch.........really my posts just make you angry and are of no value to you. Why do you visit them?

12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Behold "the man" whose name is The Branch; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord:

13 Even he shall build the temple of the Lord; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

 Quoting: waterman
That has nothing to do with the Isa.11 chapter you have been quoting, or I have been discussing. You want to change the who subject now and go to a different book of the Bible and a totally different topic.
Your posts don't make me angry, and the value portion of your post is to help you better understand the word. I visit your posts because I believe we should question scripture contents applied in different manners. These concepts should not just be complied with simply because you do not want to run into any disagreement from other. If you desire to post controversial comments, perhaps you should expect adverse reactions. The solution is to defend your position in a logical order. Not to just tell the person not to visit your post. If everyone that post got upset because they didn't like anyone disagreeing with them, well that would seem rather silly wouldn't it. Calm down OP I am not your enemy. I just do not agree with your interpretation of certain portions of Scripture.
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How would you say zechariah "branch" has nothing to do with Isaiah 'Branch" they are one and the same and also Jeremiah branch where it shows the separation of the priest and king in chapter 23 and 33 I think dont quote me on that

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I love when people refuse to put 2000 year old scripture translated from ancient languages into modern context.
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That still has no bearing on these passages, on this individual. Under that logic every passage in the Bible speaking about an individual could be assumed it was referring to two individual or more, simply because they are anointed. You cannot apply your own interpretation and then expect obedient compliance and agreement simply because you say it is so.
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When something is joined in union it is considered 1. Not 2 just 1...I can tell from your posts that this is something you cannot accept. The "Branch" is the ones building the temple which is Joshuah the priest and zerubbabel the king. They are 2 different people but are considered "the man" the Branch.........really my posts just make you angry and are of no value to you. Why do you visit them?

12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Behold "the man" whose name is The Branch; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord:

13 Even he shall build the temple of the Lord; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

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That has nothing to do with the Isa.11 chapter you have been quoting, or I have been discussing. You want to change the who subject now and go to a different book of the Bible and a totally different topic.
Your posts don't make me angry, and the value portion of your post is to help you better understand the word. I visit your posts because I believe we should question scripture contents applied in different manners. These concepts should not just be complied with simply because you do not want to run into any disagreement from other. If you desire to post controversial comments, perhaps you should expect adverse reactions. The solution is to defend your position in a logical order. Not to just tell the person not to visit your post. If everyone that post got upset because they didn't like anyone disagreeing with them, well that would seem rather silly wouldn't it. Calm down OP I am not your enemy. I just do not agree with your interpretation of certain portions of Scripture.
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How would you say zechariah "branch" has nothing to do with Isaiah 'Branch" they are one and the same

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You cannot apply the word branch to the same meaning every time, the word branch appears. Jesus said "you are the branches and I am the vine". Yet, he wasn't talking about the same branch mentioned in Zech. I also do not believe the branch in Isa.11 is the same as the branch in Zech, simply because you say so, and this branch is not these different branchs in Isa. and Zech. These are not the same braches Jesus talked about, except all followers are of the branches, but not all branches are of the same.
Again I say i am not angry. You are the only one here that seems to be angry with accusations.
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Very nice job and a hearty well done Waterman! You have it right. May I add this. Joshua and Zerubbabel represent the 144,000, of which the two witnesses are part of! Half will be kings and half will be priests! They will be a type of Joshua and Zerubbabel.
A clue to this is in Zechariah 3:8 Hear, O Joshua, the high priest,
You and your companions who sit before you, For they are a wondrous sign;
For behold, I am bringing forth My Servant the BRANCH.

It applies to him and his companions, and notice they are a wondrous sign!

Nice post!
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When something is joined in union it is considered 1. Not 2 just 1...I can tell from your posts that this is something you cannot accept. The "Branch" is the ones building the temple which is Joshuah the priest and zerubbabel the king. They are 2 different people but are considered "the man" the Branch.........really my posts just make you angry and are of no value to you. Why do you visit them?

12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Behold "the man" whose name is The Branch; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord:

13 Even he shall build the temple of the Lord; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

 Quoting: waterman
That has nothing to do with the Isa.11 chapter you have been quoting, or I have been discussing. You want to change the who subject now and go to a different book of the Bible and a totally different topic.
Your posts don't make me angry, and the value portion of your post is to help you better understand the word. I visit your posts because I believe we should question scripture contents applied in different manners. These concepts should not just be complied with simply because you do not want to run into any disagreement from other. If you desire to post controversial comments, perhaps you should expect adverse reactions. The solution is to defend your position in a logical order. Not to just tell the person not to visit your post. If everyone that post got upset because they didn't like anyone disagreeing with them, well that would seem rather silly wouldn't it. Calm down OP I am not your enemy. I just do not agree with your interpretation of certain portions of Scripture.
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How would you say zechariah "branch" has nothing to do with Isaiah 'Branch" they are one and the same

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You cannot apply the word branch to the same meaning every time, the word branch appears. Jesus said "you are the branches and I am the vine". Yet, he wasn't talking about the same branch mentioned in Zech. I also do not believe the branch in Isa.11 is the same as the branch in Zech, simply because you say so, and this branch is not these different branchs in Isa. and Zech. These are not the same braches Jesus talked about, except all followers are of the branches, but not all branches are of the same.
Again I say i am not angry. You are the only one here that seems to be angry with accusations.
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I'm not angry at all..it's hard to get me angry, it happens but not very often but to me the "Branch" is the servant of the lord whether it be in zechariah jeremiah or Isaiah. I've got to take a break for awhile but will respond to posts later...thanks for everybody that posted.
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3 Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel.

4 And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment.

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Ok, now this is pure awesomeness. In my research... 'garments' are linked to DNA. So when I read that he gets new clothes, I'm expecting to hear something like... he's been upgraded.

...and there it is!!!

"For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof"

This is the matching text in Revelation...

Revelation 2:17
"To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it"



That's the DNA upgrade we will get!

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