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Anonymous Coward
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04/29/2013 04:28 AM
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He came across as rude and obnoxious, but i would be prepared to consider it all IF he provided a list of links to the sources of the statements he made not just some verbal citations.

Nobody is going to accept such radical new versions of history just verbally, without official looking documents to back it up.
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04/29/2013 04:32 AM
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end of story...
End Of Story!
END OF STORY
END OF STORY!!!!!!!
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04/29/2013 04:36 AM
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Superb ... owned
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Saved in favorites for later...thanks.
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04/29/2013 04:40 AM
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All I want to say is Art keeps mentioning the Japanese and the unconditional surrender but I keep thinking that if it was unconditional how ccould the japanese get to keep their emperor, that wouldnt be unconditional and everyone agrees that they surrendered on the terms that they keep their emperor.. Thats not unconditional.. the word unconditional means without conditions and they gave a condition.. Thats what I am intrigued about
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26028846


This is my understanding about that...

The Japanese regarded the Emperor as a god. So to kill, imprison, or otherwise blatantly render the Emperor from a god-like position to nothing would crush an important part of Japanese culture.

So instead what the U.S. did was have General Douglas MacArthur (who wrote the post-WWII Japanese Constitution) stand next to the Emperor, towering over him. In Japanese culture, body language, positioning, etc. is very important in displaying dominance or deferment in the great game of "respect". So when Japanese tv's showed U.S. General MacArthur standing next to the Emperor and towering over him, it was understood by the Japanese that, while they still retained their god-like Emperor, he, and thus Japan, was in a deferential position of submission to the American occupying forces which actually governed Japan until 1952.
 Quoting: John Kocktosen


Thats all fine and dandy but an unconditional surrender is unconditional and japan gave a condition.. thats all im saying. Body language body location w,e that has nothing to do with the word unconditional because unconditional would mean, hey emperor... shine my shoe, if you know what I mean.

Also I just got to the language part.. It was clear to me who is listening to a level head that he made it clear he speaks japanese just not on a DIPLOMATIC level which means hes going to be able to read buttons, that one guy was being obnoxious about it asking "WELL HOW COULD YOU READ THE JAPANESE BUTTONS THEN" I dont know what to think.. All I hear is a bunch of people trying to discredit this guy and being very emotional and not listening to what he says because they automatically dismiss it as rediculous...
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All I want to say is Art keeps mentioning the Japanese and the unconditional surrender but I keep thinking that if it was unconditional how ccould the japanese get to keep their emperor, that wouldnt be unconditional and everyone agrees that they surrendered on the terms that they keep their emperor.. Thats not unconditional.. the word unconditional means without conditions and they gave a condition.. Thats what I am intrigued about
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26028846


This is my understanding about that...

The Japanese regarded the Emperor as a god. So to kill, imprison, or otherwise blatantly render the Emperor from a god-like position to nothing would crush an important part of Japanese culture.

So instead what the U.S. did was have General Douglas MacArthur (who wrote the post-WWII Japanese Constitution) stand next to the Emperor, towering over him. In Japanese culture, body language, positioning, etc. is very important in displaying dominance or deferment in the great game of "respect". So when Japanese tv's showed U.S. General MacArthur standing next to the Emperor and towering over him, it was understood by the Japanese that, while they still retained their god-like Emperor, he, and thus Japan, was in a deferential position of submission to the American occupying forces which actually governed Japan until 1952.
 Quoting: John Kocktosen


Thats all fine and dandy but an unconditional surrender is unconditional and japan gave a condition.. thats all im saying. Body language body location w,e that has nothing to do with the word unconditional because unconditional would mean, hey emperor... shine my shoe, if you know what I mean.

Also I just got to the language part.. It was clear to me who is listening to a level head that he made it clear he speaks japanese just not on a DIPLOMATIC level which means hes going to be able to read buttons, that one guy was being obnoxious about it asking "WELL HOW COULD YOU READ THE JAPANESE BUTTONS THEN" I dont know what to think.. All I hear is a bunch of people trying to discredit this guy and being very emotional and not listening to what he says because they automatically dismiss it as rediculous...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26028846


With a level head**
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04/29/2013 04:46 AM
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Also Im not going to pretend like I know much about what Im about to say but I Do think an atomic weapon costs alot to produce the first time, maybe the second time it might cost half of that because youve already invested the time an effort into the initial building and implementation of it but I do see how a SHIT load of lil rice bomb if thats what he said could do way more damage.. Imagine if a cheap floating bomb was mass produced.. Think about it japan produces all of our lil gadgets im sure they had to have learned it from earlier generations lol. Flood the skies with rice paddy bombs it would take more resources to shoot them down than to put them up.. I can see that being a huge deterrent to the us.
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All I want to say is Art keeps mentioning the Japanese and the unconditional surrender but I keep thinking that if it was unconditional how ccould the japanese get to keep their emperor, that wouldnt be unconditional and everyone agrees that they surrendered on the terms that they keep their emperor.. Thats not unconditional.. the word unconditional means without conditions and they gave a condition.. Thats what I am intrigued about
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26028846


This is my understanding about that...

The Japanese regarded the Emperor as a god. So to kill, imprison, or otherwise blatantly render the Emperor from a god-like position to nothing would crush an important part of Japanese culture.

So instead what the U.S. did was have General Douglas MacArthur (who wrote the post-WWII Japanese Constitution) stand next to the Emperor, towering over him. In Japanese culture, body language, positioning, etc. is very important in displaying dominance or deferment in the great game of "respect". So when Japanese tv's showed U.S. General MacArthur standing next to the Emperor and towering over him, it was understood by the Japanese that, while they still retained their god-like Emperor, he, and thus Japan, was in a deferential position of submission to the American occupying forces which actually governed Japan until 1952.
 Quoting: John Kocktosen


Remember, too, that the second WWII ended, America was IMMEDIATELY very concerned about the Soviet Union trying to get in on the spoils of war with regard to Japan. As a matter of fact, most experts agree that one of the two most important reasons the U.S. dropped nuclear bombs on Japan was to prompt a quick Japanese surrender, before the Soviet Union could turn east from their European theater after Germany's defeat and attempt to get in on an American conventional assault on the four main Japanese islands. Communism thrives in desperate societies; whether that desperation comes from economic squalor due to government corruption, or from total and devastating defeat in war. Hence the Marshall Plan to get the vanquished WWII nations up and running as quickly as possible. Also, of course, America needed overseas consumers with money in their pockets (from a healthy economy) to buy our exports.
 Quoting: John Kocktosen


you kind of dodge my statement again.. about uncontional surrender..
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04/29/2013 04:50 AM
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Douglas is full of shit.

He said that the Japanese never surrendered their swords, because they didn't bring their swords.

The reason they didn't bring their swords, is that they were disarmed.


Here is a picture showing the Japanese supreme commander surrendering his sword to the Americans. He was the only one allowed with a sword and he surrender it.

[link to upload.wikimedia.org]

.......

Dougie grew up in the east and were thus exposed to the bullshit stories the Asians tell each other, to make themselves feel better about having lost the war.


END OF STORY.
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04/29/2013 04:53 AM
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Also I continue to notice kingman art cutting him off lol. Its really annoying me.. When people make lectures and shit like that you save the questions for after, you dont interrupt him during the lecture you wait at the end and then he says ill take questions.. Its like you guys are intentionally trying to belittle this guy and just continuously disrespect him.. this is why I dont listen into these voice chats, it just makes me annoyed at mods
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Douglas is full of shit.

He said that the Japanese never surrendered their swords, because they didn't bring their swords.

The reason they didn't bring their swords, is that they were disarmed.


Here is a picture showing the Japanese supreme commander surrendering his sword to the Americans. He was the only one allowed with a sword and he surrender it.

[link to upload.wikimedia.org]

.......

Dougie grew up in the east and were thus exposed to the bullshit stories the Asians tell each other, to make themselves feel better about having lost the war.


END OF STORY.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38900613


LOL end of story.. That was a nice add..

Like Ive been saying even if he was completely wrong he has the right to give his lecture becuase he was invited on.. if you think hes bs shouldnt you have researched into his bs before inviting him on?
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04/29/2013 04:58 AM
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This is my understanding about that...

The Japanese regarded the Emperor as a god. So to kill, imprison, or otherwise blatantly render the Emperor from a god-like position to nothing would crush an important part of Japanese culture.

So instead what the U.S. did was have General Douglas MacArthur (who wrote the post-WWII Japanese Constitution) stand next to the Emperor, towering over him. In Japanese culture, body language, positioning, etc. is very important in displaying dominance or deferment in the great game of "respect". So when Japanese tv's showed U.S. General MacArthur standing next to the Emperor and towering over him, it was understood by the Japanese that, while they still retained their god-like Emperor, he, and thus Japan, was in a deferential position of submission to the American occupying forces which actually governed Japan until 1952.
 Quoting: John Kocktosen


Remember, too, that the second WWII ended, America was IMMEDIATELY very concerned about the Soviet Union trying to get in on the spoils of war with regard to Japan. As a matter of fact, most experts agree that one of the two most important reasons the U.S. dropped nuclear bombs on Japan was to prompt a quick Japanese surrender, before the Soviet Union could turn east from their European theater after Germany's defeat and attempt to get in on an American conventional assault on the four main Japanese islands. Communism thrives in desperate societies; whether that desperation comes from economic squalor due to government corruption, or from total and devastating defeat in war. Hence the Marshall Plan to get the vanquished WWII nations up and running as quickly as possible. Also, of course, America needed overseas consumers with money in their pockets (from a healthy economy) to buy our exports.
 Quoting: John Kocktosen


you kind of dodge my statement again.. about uncontional surrender..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26028846

MacArthur wrote the Japanese Constitution. That's about as "unconditional" as it gets, wouldn't you say? The Japanese live under that American-written constitution to this day.

American occupation forces were the government between 1945-52. The Emperor held no real power.
 Quoting: John Kocktosen


If what douglas has been saying about general mcarthhur is true about being fired, and being a sympathizer is true then wouldnt that mean that he was also writing that in favor of the japanese? So again im still stuck on the fact that the japanese unconditionally surrenderd.... if they could keep their emperor which in that case isnt unconditional.. which means it wasnt an unconditional surrender?
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04/29/2013 05:32 AM
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Lol this guy is seriously butthurt.
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A question from John Cocktosten!?!?! Someone's a Fletch fan...lol
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Hahahahahahaha Yes!!! :)
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04/29/2013 07:27 AM
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Not a Dietrich fan.

Interesting ideas, but I think the man was 'allowed' to find this info. I think he has had some serious programming.

I'm into some of the wierdest conspiracies, but the stuff he claims doesnt float any of my boats.

Kingman annoys the heck out of me too, but he has done his time here, and usually puts up a decent argument.

Deitrich isnt used to people interjecting or dissagreeing 'live' it would seem.

Why he so angry?
It's all about the 'vibe'
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Not a Dietrich fan.

Interesting ideas, but I think the man was 'allowed' to find this info. I think he has had some serious programming.

I'm into some of the wierdest conspiracies, but the stuff he claims doesnt float any of my boats.

Kingman annoys the heck out of me too, but he has done his time here, and usually puts up a decent argument.

Deitrich isnt used to people interjecting or dissagreeing 'live' it would seem.

Why he so angry?
 Quoting: BadHairDay


kingman always makes for good argument. just he wouldnt let doug talk....
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