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To all the so-called Christians who also believe that you should shoot police if and when they enter your home forcibly

 
Simple Green  (OP)

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Answer the question. Would you be dead now if you had lived in one of the searched neighborhoods in Boston?
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NO , I would not be dead. But they will not get in my house without a warrant. Take that and be quiet!!
 Quoting: de38always


Dude. It's my thread. Just because you can't answer the question because it will destroy you statement's validity, don't tell me to be quiet. You can safely ignore the thread. I won't have an issue with it. You are obviously bone-headed anyway.
 Quoting: Simple Green


Were you an Obama supporter? To me you sound like an Obama supporter.
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Funny because there has been nothing said that would lead to you believe that. Is that your best?

Actually I was and is a Ron Paul supporter, and I agree with the fact that he spoke out against the bullshit that happened in Boston. That's why people on the left hate him. He does war on the spiritual front, not the physical.
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So if all that is true, tell me this:

Why did Jesus when he had the chance, and if you believe in Jesus, well you believe he could whip some ass if he wanted to, why did he not just fix it all then in there with a snap of his fingers?

Why did he submit to the cross?
 Quoting: Simple Green


Because it was Preordained
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1160916


Was not EVERYTHING he did here on this planet... And I'm talking everything, probably every single decision he made his entire life, not an EXAMPLE for us?
 Quoting: Simple Green


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1160916


So if all that is true, tell me this:

Why did Jesus when he had the chance, and if you believe in Jesus, well you believe he could whip some ass if he wanted to, why did he not just fix it all then in there with a snap of his fingers?

Why did he submit to the cross?
 Quoting: Simple Green


Because it was Preordained
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1160916


Was not EVERYTHING he did here on this planet... And I'm talking everything, probably every single decision he made his entire life, not an EXAMPLE for us?
 Quoting: Simple Green


He only submitted when it was “His Time”. Until I know from God that it is My time I will not submit.
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NO , I would not be dead. But they will not get in my house without a warrant. Take that and be quiet!!
 Quoting: de38always


Dude. It's my thread. Just because you can't answer the question because it will destroy you statement's validity, don't tell me to be quiet. You can safely ignore the thread. I won't have an issue with it. You are obviously bone-headed anyway.
 Quoting: Simple Green


Were you an Obama supporter? To me you sound like an Obama supporter.
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Funny because there has been nothing said that would lead to you believe that. Is that your best?

Actually I was and is a Ron Paul supporter, and I agree with the fact that he spoke out against the bullshit that happened in Boston. That's why people on the left hate him. He does war on the spiritual front, not the physical.
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If you were a Christian, you would not use the language you are using.
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So if all that is true, tell me this:

Why did Jesus when he had the chance, and if you believe in Jesus, well you believe he could whip some ass if he wanted to, why did he not just fix it all then in there with a snap of his fingers?

Why did he submit to the cross?
 Quoting: Simple Green


Because it was Preordained
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1160916


Was not EVERYTHING he did here on this planet... And I'm talking everything, probably every single decision he made his entire life, not an EXAMPLE for us?
 Quoting: Simple Green


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So if all that is true, tell me this:

Why did Jesus when he had the chance, and if you believe in Jesus, well you believe he could whip some ass if he wanted to, why did he not just fix it all then in there with a snap of his fingers?

Why did he submit to the cross?
 Quoting: Simple Green


Because it was Preordained
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1160916


Was not EVERYTHING he did here on this planet... And I'm talking everything, probably every single decision he made his entire life, not an EXAMPLE for us?
 Quoting: Simple Green


He only submitted when it was “His Time”. Until I know from God that it is My time I will not submit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1160916


How do you know when it is your time? I'm guessing you're not as spiritually in-tune as Jesus was.
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Dude. It's my thread. Just because you can't answer the question because it will destroy you statement's validity, don't tell me to be quiet. You can safely ignore the thread. I won't have an issue with it. You are obviously bone-headed anyway.
 Quoting: Simple Green


Were you an Obama supporter? To me you sound like an Obama supporter.
 Quoting: de38always


Funny because there has been nothing said that would lead to you believe that. Is that your best?

Actually I was and is a Ron Paul supporter, and I agree with the fact that he spoke out against the bullshit that happened in Boston. That's why people on the left hate him. He does war on the spiritual front, not the physical.
 Quoting: Simple Green

If you were a Christian, you would not use the language you are using.
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LOL. Really? Ok buddy, you can think whatever you want. I really don't give a shit.
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Because it was Preordained
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1160916


Was not EVERYTHING he did here on this planet... And I'm talking everything, probably every single decision he made his entire life, not an EXAMPLE for us?
 Quoting: Simple Green


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Because it was Preordained
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1160916


Was not EVERYTHING he did here on this planet... And I'm talking everything, probably every single decision he made his entire life, not an EXAMPLE for us?
 Quoting: Simple Green


He only submitted when it was “His Time”. Until I know from God that it is My time I will not submit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1160916


How do you know when it is your time? I'm guessing you're not as spiritually in-tune as Jesus was.
 Quoting: Simple Green


I can easily say I am not as spiritually in-tune as Jesus was but I am not just going to submit to Tyrants because of that.
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Was not EVERYTHING he did here on this planet... And I'm talking everything, probably every single decision he made his entire life, not an EXAMPLE for us?
 Quoting: Simple Green


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Was not EVERYTHING he did here on this planet... And I'm talking everything, probably every single decision he made his entire life, not an EXAMPLE for us?
 Quoting: Simple Green


He only submitted when it was “His Time”. Until I know from God that it is My time I will not submit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1160916


How do you know when it is your time? I'm guessing you're not as spiritually in-tune as Jesus was.
 Quoting: Simple Green


I can easily say I am not as spiritually in-tune as Jesus was but I am not just going to submit to Tyrants because of that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1160916


There is not a single one of you that wouldn't have let those people in your house on that day, even though you know full well it was not necessary and was simply a test.
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He only submitted when it was “His Time”. Until I know from God that it is My time I will not submit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1160916


How do you know when it is your time? I'm guessing you're not as spiritually in-tune as Jesus was.
 Quoting: Simple Green


I can easily say I am not as spiritually in-tune as Jesus was but I am not just going to submit to Tyrants because of that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1160916


There is not a single one of you that wouldn't have let those people in your house on that day, even though you know full well it was not necessary and was simply a test.
 Quoting: Simple Green


Now it's another story altogether if they take you in and tell you to deny your faith in Jesus. You don't kill someone, but you don't deny, no matter the cost. If you truly believe you are in the end times, then you have to accept you're here for that reason, and that you'll go through that...
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OP, God showed me last night to accept that people are at different levels of faith and not to judge them. It was a hard pill to swallow, but I have.

Personally, I would defend my family if life was endangered or they were trying to forcefully take what was mine. However, I cannot mock a fellow believer who would not.

Romans Chapter 14.

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5 * and pin request, only cuz I want to see how others feel and I like your thread.
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Matthew 5:5
The meek will inherit the Earth.

Mark 12:17
Render to Caesar what is Caesar's.

Matthew 10:28
Be not concerned with the ones who can destroy only your body.

Titus 3:2
To speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people.

Matthew 11:29
Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.

Matthew 18:1-4
At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, “Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?” And calling to him a child, he put him in the midst of them and said, “Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

I guess the point I am trying to make to the Christians out there is this:

What is the purpose of you being on this planet, right here, right now?

If you truly believe this is the end of the age spoke of in the Bible and throughout prophecy then why are you here during that most important portion of history?

Is it to die valiantly with guns blazing for something that is completely carnal, of this world, and really not important to the value of your own personal spiritual growth?

If they come for your for real like for real martial law... Not the bullshit over in Boston... I know it's a test of our response. I know the frog in boiling water... blah blah blah, and certainly I agree with you, BUT the big BUT.

What are you as a christian supposed to do if it all goes down and they want to take you and family to a camp or some such thing or whatever everyone thinks is going to happen around here?

Just interested is all...
 Quoting: Simple Green


Think there's a difference between being meek and letting some strangers take your family to a camp where lord knows what will happen.
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Mark 12:17
Render to Caesar what is Caesar's.

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Why is this pertinent to the topic and which interpretation would you make out of it?
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What I think it means is that this world is owned by this world... We are not here for any of it. You notice Jesus was not violent, but was very involved socially and somewhat politically at times. He was here to do spiritual warfare, not physical. The same for us, and Caesar represents the world. Let the world have what is theirs. Let God have what is his. Material/carnal vs. the spirit.
 Quoting: Simple Green

Quoting things like that is usual mistake made from listening to false teachers.
Luk 20:25 And he said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's.

So what is God's?
Psa_24:1 On the first day of the week, a psalm for David. The earth is the Lord's and the fulness thereof: the world, and all they that dwell therein.

Deu_10:14 (DRB) Behold heaven is the Lord's thy God, and the heaven of heaven, the earth and all things that are therein.
So the world is owned by God, not by the world.

Yet I suppose Jesus said this for no reason:

Luk 22:36 He said therefore to them, But now he that has a purse let him take it , in like manner also a scrip, and he that has none let him sell his garment and buy a sword;

Since He knew the perils of times, that were to come.

Even so, He will return as a Warrior/King, subduing his enemies with a sword, not with non violence or nice words.

Are not Christians supposed to try to be like Him?
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"What I think it means is that this world is owned by this world... We are not here for any of it. You notice Jesus was not violent, but was very involved socially and somewhat politically at times. He was here to do spiritual warfare, not physical. The same for us, and Caesar represents the world. Let the world have what is theirs. Let God have what is his. Material/carnal vs. the spirit.

Quoting things like that is usual mistake made from listening to false teachers.
Luk 20:25 And he said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's.

So what is God's?
Psa_24:1 On the first day of the week, a psalm for David. The earth is the Lord's and the fulness thereof: the world, and all they that dwell therein.

Deu_10:14 (DRB) Behold heaven is the Lord's thy God, and the heaven of heaven, the earth and all things that are therein.
So the world is owned by God, not by the world.

Yet I suppose Jesus said this for no reason:

Luk 22:36 He said therefore to them, But now he that has a purse let him take it , in like manner also a scrip, and he that has none let him sell his garment and buy a sword;

Since He knew the perils of times, that were to come.

Even so, He will return as a Warrior/King, subduing his enemies with a sword, not with non violence or nice words.

Are not Christians supposed to try to be like Him?"

I was looking for that verse. Thank you Anonymous Coward 39081868.

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i saw them cops beat that kid to death and smash his skull with a taser over a reported car break in on youtube has justice yet been served?you think their gonna let you run home to defend yerself?
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An argument between me and my retired Marine boyfriend.
Him-- "If someone ties to take my stuff I will kill them"
Me-- " So, some hungry people desparately search for food and you respond by piling their corpses at the end of our driveway to rot?
Him--
"Yeah- fuck em."
Me--"If hungry, injured, lost helpless people show up at this house seeking help, they will be HELPED in every way humanly possible!"
Him-- 'You are a fool".
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An argument between me and my retired Marine boyfriend.
Him-- "If someone ties to take my stuff I will kill them"
Me-- " So, some hungry people desparately search for food and you respond by piling their corpses at the end of our driveway to rot?
Him--
"Yeah- fuck em."
Me--"If hungry, injured, lost helpless people show up at this house seeking help, they will be HELPED in every way humanly possible!"
Him-- 'You are a fool".
 Quoting: Janine69


No, you are not a fool. If someone comes honestly seeking help, then you should help them.

However, if someone comes trying to take what you and your family has and endangering your lives, the answer is do not help them.
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Jesus Christ is no peacenik.

Matthew 10:34 Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
DSL is better than cable! :)
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Matthew 5:5
The meek will inherit the Earth.

Mark 12:17
Render to Caesar what is Caesar's.

Matthew 10:28
Be not concerned with the ones who can destroy only your body.

Titus 3:2
To speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people.

Matthew 11:29
Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.

Matthew 18:1-4
At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, “Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?” And calling to him a child, he put him in the midst of them and said, “Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

I guess the point I am trying to make to the Christians out there is this:

What is the purpose of you being on this planet, right here, right now?

If you truly believe this is the end of the age spoke of in the Bible and throughout prophecy then why are you here during that most important portion of history?

Is it to die valiantly with guns blazing for something that is completely carnal, of this world, and really not important to the value of your own personal spiritual growth?

If they come for your for real like for real martial law... Not the bullshit over in Boston... I know it's a test of our response. I know the frog in boiling water... blah blah blah, and certainly I agree with you, BUT the big BUT.

What are you as a christian supposed to do if it all goes down and they want to take you and family to a camp or some such thing or whatever everyone thinks is going to happen around here?

Just interested is all...
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Read Ecclesiastes you left-wing idiot. There is a time to kill and hate. Christ didn't do away with the Law, he came to fulfill it you moron.
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So if all that is true, tell me this:

Why did Jesus when he had the chance, and if you believe in Jesus, well you believe he could whip some ass if he wanted to, why did he not just fix it all then in there with a snap of his fingers?

Why did he submit to the cross?
 Quoting: Simple Green


Because it was Preordained
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1160916


Was not EVERYTHING he did here on this planet... And I'm talking everything, probably every single decision he made his entire life, not an EXAMPLE for us?
 Quoting: Simple Green




Jesus was born to subject Himself to this world and to go to the Cross and die for our sins, and to rise again on the third day. He went to the Cross to save us and to conquer death---to be a covering for the sins of the world because He is not willing for any to perish. We are not God. We are sinful and cannot cover anyone's sins. Jesus is coming again, and when He comes at the end of the 7 year tribulation, He will slay those who are amassed to kill one another, and when they see Him, they will all turn on Him and try to kill Him. Then Jesus will slay them. About 2,000 years ago, He came as a lamb; when He returns, He will be a lion!
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I am a Christian, but I have every right to defend myself and my family, when needed, by any means.
NO WARRANT, NO ENTRY.
Praise God from Whom all Blessings flow !!!
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Jesus Christ is no peacenik.

Matthew 10:34 Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
 Quoting: DSL Connector


You have no ears to here, my friend. You like to take a verse where Jesus said the word "sword" and twist it to mean what you want. It was a poor attempt.

Jesus meant sword as in Truth, and words that cut to the heart of the issue and divide Light from Dark.
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I am a Christian, but I have every right to defend myself and my family, when needed, by any means.
NO WARRANT, NO ENTRY.
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Ok, yeah defend your family. You should defend your family.

I was asking specifically about a situation where the government/police/swat whomever decides they need to come in your home... Are you going to shoot the place up and end up dead in the process?

Seems like that's how a lot of "christians" on this forum feel...
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An argument between me and my retired Marine boyfriend.
Him-- "If someone ties to take my stuff I will kill them"
Me-- " So, some hungry people desparately search for food and you respond by piling their corpses at the end of our driveway to rot?
Him--
"Yeah- fuck em."
Me--"If hungry, injured, lost helpless people show up at this house seeking help, they will be HELPED in every way humanly possible!"
Him-- 'You are a fool".
 Quoting: Janine69


Well, yeah, he was a marine. What would you expect? It's ingrained and anyone who goes into the Marines in the first place already has to think like this to some degree. It's like a person going into the Navy who absolutely hates water and boats.
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I guess I should clarify a bit, since it seems everyone thinks that if a burglar or someone tries to enter my house, that I am just going to let him in and give him what he wants.

Someone earlier caught on to what I was getting at, but of course was on opposite sides...

I'm speaking directly about tyrants and tyrannical governments, and the potential of all to happen that everyone here thinks is going to happen. Namely, the tyrannical subjugation of everything that is right and good, which is slowly happening now. There are a lot of people here who spend a great deal of time researching how they are doing it, so I figured it would be a good place to bring it up and get a feel for how people react to it.

Example: Robert Blum back in the day was a social "warrior" who fought against the powers that be in his day and age. When he saw things that were unjust and how people were being treated from a most worldly perspective unfairly, he decided to go political and kept going and pressing until he was dispatched from this Earth by gunpowder...

What is the purpose here as a Christian? To overthrow the tyranny that obviously God is OK with being in power? Have you ever thought about that aspect? If God didn't want TPTB in power, would he not prevent them from being in power?
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I ponder this topic frequently for a long time now.
Romans 13 advises that God appoint rulers.

It is my opinion that this nation, founded on Christian principles, turned their backs on their chief Benefactor.
There is nothing wholesome about illicit sexual relations (fornication), infidelity (adultery), witchcraft and sorceries (pharmakea, Greek) (sounds like pharmacy don't it folks, hint, hint, wink, wink), abortion, homosexuality, the lust of greed, hedonism, all things God hates are the things cherished now in the United States.

Here is the two part dilemma. God may have appointed criminals over us because we are due for judgment and to be taken into slavery. If that argument is true, then submission is likely the correct answer.
If God has not appointed these criminals, then they have hijacked the lawful government through deception and need to be taken into custody, by force if necessary.

I pondered being routed out of my home at gunpoint by those thugs and wondering what my response might have been.

I will not know until it happens.

Rev_13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. (KJV)

Rev_13:10 If anyone is to be taken captive, to captivity he goes; if anyone is to be slain with the sword, with the sword must he be slain. Here is a call for the endurance and faith of the saints. (ESV)

There is an odd contradiction between translations here.
The King James states whoever kills with the sword, while the English Standard Version says if anyone is to be slain with the sword? (that makes no sense)
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I ponder this topic frequently for a long time now.
Romans 13 advises that God appoint rulers.

It is my opinion that this nation, founded on Christian principles, turned their backs on their chief Benefactor.
There is nothing wholesome about illicit sexual relations (fornication), infidelity (adultery), witchcraft and sorceries (pharmakea, Greek) (sounds like pharmacy don't it folks, hint, hint, wink, wink), abortion, homosexuality, the lust of greed, hedonism, all things God hates are the things cherished now in the United States.

Here is the two part dilemma. God may have appointed criminals over us because we are due for judgment and to be taken into slavery. If that argument is true, then submission is likely the correct answer.
If God has not appointed these criminals, then they have hijacked the lawful government through deception and need to be taken into custody, by force if necessary.

I pondered being routed out of my home at gunpoint by those thugs and wondering what my response might have been.

I will not know until it happens.

Rev_13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. (KJV)

Rev_13:10 If anyone is to be taken captive, to captivity he goes; if anyone is to be slain with the sword, with the sword must he be slain. Here is a call for the endurance and faith of the saints. (ESV)

There is an odd contradiction between translations here.
The King James states whoever kills with the sword, while the English Standard Version says if anyone is to be slain with the sword? (that makes no sense)
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Thank you for you input here, it seems to be about the first response toward what I was asking for. Yeah, honestly I'm not sure how I would respond either, but I'm pretty sure that the government ANY people on this Earth have is one suited for them.

When times of easiness and pleasure are around, people go into all kinds of hedonism, like you mentioned. It's when people are terrorized by tyrants that they look inwardly and gain spiritually. It's interesting... What is the real purpose of being on this planet? To live a luxurious lifestyle and die spiritually? Or suffer materially even at the hand's of evil people and gain the entire universe spiritually?
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Matthew 5:5
The meek will inherit the Earth.

Mark 12:17
Render to Caesar what is Caesar's.

Matthew 10:28
Be not concerned with the ones who can destroy only your body.

Titus 3:2
To speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people.

Matthew 11:29
Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.

Matthew 18:1-4
At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, “Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?” And calling to him a child, he put him in the midst of them and said, “Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

I guess the point I am trying to make to the Christians out there is this:

What is the purpose of you being on this planet, right here, right now?

If you truly believe this is the end of the age spoke of in the Bible and throughout prophecy then why are you here during that most important portion of history?

Is it to die valiantly with guns blazing for something that is completely carnal, of this world, and really not important to the value of your own personal spiritual growth?

If they come for your for real like for real martial law... Not the bullshit over in Boston... I know it's a test of our response. I know the frog in boiling water... blah blah blah, and certainly I agree with you, BUT the big BUT.

What are you as a christian supposed to do if it all goes down and they want to take you and family to a camp or some such thing or whatever everyone thinks is going to happen around here?

Just interested is all...
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Matthew 17:[16] Then Jesus answered and said: O unbelieving and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? How long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me. [17] And Jesus rebuked him, and the devil went out of him, and the child was cured from that hour. [18] Then came the disciples to Jesus secretly, and said: Why could not we cast him out? [19] Jesus said to them: Because of your unbelief. For, amen I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you shall say to this mountain, Remove from hence hither, and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible to you.


Luke 17: [6] And the Lord said: If you had faith like to a grain of mustard seed, you might say to this mulberry tree, Be thou rooted up, and be thou transplanted into the sea: and it would obey you.


John 9: [31] Now we know that God doth not hear sinners: but if a man be a server of God, and doth his will, him he heareth.


Psalms 17: [31] As for my God, his way is undefiled: the words of the Lord are fire tried: he is the protector of all that trust in him. [32] For who is God but the Lord? or who is God but our God? [33] God who hath girt me with strength; and made my way blameless. [34] Who hath made my feet like the feet of harts: and who setteth me upon high places. [35] Who teacheth my hands to war: and thou hast made my arms like a brazen bow.

[36] And thou hast given me the protection of thy salvation: and thy right hand hath held me up: And thy discipline hath corrected me unto the end: and thy discipline, the same shall teach me. [37] Thou hast enlarged my steps under me; and my feet are not weakened. [38] I will pursue after my enemies, and overtake them: and I will not turn again till they are consumed. [39] I will break them, and they shall not be able to stand: they shall fall under my feet. [40] And thou hast girded me with strength unto battle; and hast subdued under me them that rose up against me.

[41] And thou hast made my enemies turn their back upon me, and hast destroyed them that hated me. [42] They cried, but there was none to save them, to the Lord: but he heard them not. [43] And I shall beat them as small as the dust before the wind; I shall bring them to nought, like the dirt in the streets.



Exodus 22: [2] If a thief be found breaking open a house or undermining it, and be wounded so as to die: he that slew him shall not be guilty of blood.

Matthew 10: [34] Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword. [35] For I came to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

[36] And a man' s enemies shall be they of his own household.


Numbers 14: [9] Be not rebellious against the Lord: and fear ye not the people of this land, for we are able to eat them up as bread. All aid is gone from them: the Lord is with us, fear ye not.

Wisdom 5: [16] But the just shall live for evermore: and their reward is with the Lord, and the care of them with the most High. [17] Therefore shall they receive a kingdom of glory, and a crown of beauty at the hand of the Lord: for with his right hand he will cover them, and with his holy arm he will defend them. [18] And his zeal will take armour, and he will arm the creature for the revenge of his enemies. [19] He will put on justice as a breastplate, and will take true judgment instead of a helmet. [20] He will take equity for an invincible shield:

[21] And he will sharpen his severe wrath for a spear, and the whole world shall fight with him against the unwise. [22] Then shafts of lightning shall go directly from the clouds, as from a bow well bent, they shall be shot out, and shall fly to the mark. [23] And thick hail shall be cast upon them from the stone casting wrath: the water of the sea shall rage against them, and the rivers shall run together in a terrible manner. [24] A mighty wind shall stand up against them, and as a whirlwind shall divide them: and their iniquity shall bring all the earth to a desert, and wickedness shall overthrow the thrones of the mighty.



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Kings (2 Kings) 1: [9] And he sent to him a captain of fifty, and the fifty men that were under him. And he went up to him, and as he was sitting on the top of a hill, said to him: Man of God, the king hath commanded that thou come down. [10] And Elias answering, said to the captain of fifty: If I be a man of God, let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee, and thy fifty. And there came down fire from heaven, and consumed him, and the fifty that were with him.


[11] And again he sent to him another captain of fifty men, and his fifty with him. And he said to him: Man of God, thus saith the king: Make haste and come down. [12] Elias answering, said: If I be a man of God, let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And fire came down from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty.

[13] Again he sent a third captain of fifty men, and the fifty that were with him. And when he was come, he fell upon his knees, before Elias, and besought him and said: Man of God, despise not my life, and the lives of thy servants that are with me. [14] Behold fire came down from heaven, and consumed the two first captains of fifty men, and the fifties that were with them: but now I beseech thee to spare my life. [15] And the angel of the Lord spoke to Elias, saying: Go down with him, fear not. He arose therefore, and went down with him to the king,


Machabees 3: [13] And Seron captain of the army of Syria heard that Judas had assembled a company of the faithful, and a congregation with him, [14] And he said: I will get me a name, and will be glorified in the kingdom, and will overthrow Judas, and those that are with him, that have despised the edict of the king. [15] And he made himself ready: and the host of the wicked went up with him, strong succours, to be revenged of the children of Israel.

[16] And they approached even as far as Bethoron: and Judas went forth to meet him, with a small company. [17] But when they saw the army coming to meet them, they said to Judas: How shall we, being few, be able to fight against so great a multitude and so strong, and we are ready to faint with fasting today? [18] And Judas said: It is an easy matter for many to be shut up in the hands of a few: and there is no difference in the sight of the God of heaven to deliver with a great multitude, or with a small company: [19] For the success of war is not in the multitude of the army, but strength cometh from heaven. [20] They come against us with an insolent multitude, and with pride, to destroy us, and our wives, and our children, and to take our spoils.

[21] But we will fight for our lives and our laws: [22] And the Lord himself will overthrow them before our face: but as for you, fear them not. [23] And as soon as he had made an end of speaking, he rushed suddenly upon them: and Seron and his host were overthrown before him: [24] And he pursued him by the descent of Bethoron even to the plain, and there fell of them eight hundred men, and the rest fled into the land of the Philistines. [25] And the fear of Judas and of his brethren, and the dread of them fell upon all the nations round about them.


Judges 15: [11] Wherefore three thousand men of Juda, went down to the cave of the rock Etam, and said to Samson: Knowest thou not that the Philistines rule over us? Why wouldst thou do thus? And he said to them: As they did to me, so have I done to them. [12] And they said to him, We are come to bind thee and to deliver thee into the hands of the Philistines. And Samson said to them: Swear to me, and promise me, that you will not kill me. [13] They said: We will not kill thee: but we will deliver thee up bound. And they bound him with two new cords, and brought him from the rock Etam. [14] Now when he was come to the place of the Jawbone, and the Philistines shouting went to meet him, the spirit of the Lord came strongly upon him: and as the flax is wont to be consumed at the approach of fire, so the bands with which he was bound were broken and loosed. [15] And finding a jawbone, even the jawbone of an ass which lay there, catching it up, be slew therewith a thousand men.

[16] And he said: With the jawbone of an ass, with the jaw of the colt of asses I have destroyed them, and have slain a thousand men. [17] And when he had ended these words singing, he threw the jawbone out of his hand, and called the name of that place Ramathlechi, which is interpreted the lifting up of the jawbone. [18] Arid being very thirsty, he cried to the Lord, and said: Thou hast given this very great deliverance and victory into the hand of thy servant: and behold I die for thirst, and shall fall into the hands of the uncircumcised. [19] Then the Lord opened a great tooth in the jaw of the ass, and waters issued out of it. And when he had drank them he refreshed his spirit, and recovered his strength. Therefore the name of that place was called, The Spring of him that invoked from the jawbone, until this present day.


Kings (2 Kings) 6: [11] And the heart of the king of Syria was troubled for this thing. And calling together his servants, he said: Why do you not tell me who it is that betrays me to the king of Israel? [12] And one of his servants said: No one, my lord O king: but Eliseus the prophet, that is in Israel, telleth the king of Israel all the words, that thou speakest in thy privy chamber. [13] And he said to them: Go, and see where he is: that I may send, and take him. And they told him, saying: Behold he is in Dothan. [14] Therefore he sent thither horses and chariots, and the strength of an army: and they came by night, and beset the city. [15] And the servant of the man of God rising early, went out, and saw an army round about the city, and horses and chariots: and he told him, saying: Alas, alas, alas, my lord, what shall we do?

[16] But he answered: Fear not: for there are more with us than with them. [17] And Eliseus prayed, and said: Lord, open his eyes, that he may see. And the Lord opened the eyes of the servant, and he saw: and behold the mountain was full of horses, and chariots of fire round about Eliseus. [18] And the enemies came down to him, but Eliseus prayed to the Lord, saying: Strike, I beseech thee, this people with blindness. And the Lord struck them with blindness, according to the word of Eliseus.

John 16: [23] And in that day you shall not ask me any thing. Amen, amen I say to you: if you ask the Father any thing in my name, he will give it you. [24] Hitherto you have not asked any thing in my name. Ask, and you shall receive; that your joy may be full.




So if all that is true, tell me this:

Why did Jesus when he had the chance, and if you believe in Jesus, well you believe he could whip some ass if he wanted to, why did he not just fix it all then in there with a snap of his fingers?

Why did he submit to the cross?




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Matthew 26: [50] And Jesus said to him: Friend, whereto art thou come? Then they came up, and laid hands on Jesus, and held him.

[51] And behold one of them that were with Jesus, stretching forth his hand, drew out his sword: and striking the servant of the high priest, cut off his ear. [52] Then Jesus saith to him: Put up again thy sword into its place: for all that take the sword shall perish with the sword. [53] Thinkest thou that I cannot ask my Father, and he will give me presently more than twelve legions of angels? [54] How then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that so it must be done? [55] In that same hour Jesus said to the multitudes: You are come out as it were to a robber with swords and clubs to apprehend me. I sat daily with you, teaching in the temple, and you laid not hands on me.

[56] Now all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then the disciples all leaving him, fled.




John 12: [23] But Jesus answered them, saying: The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified. [24] Amen, amen I say to you, unless the grain of wheat falling into the ground die, [25] Itself remaineth alone. But if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world, keepeth it unto life eternal.


John 10: [11] I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd giveth his life for his sheep. [12] But the hireling, and he that is not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and flieth: and the wolf catcheth, and scattereth the sheep: [13] And the hireling flieth, because he is a hireling: and he hath no care for the sheep. [14] I am the good shepherd; and I know mine, and mine know me. [15] As the Father knoweth me, and I know the Father: and I lay down my life for my sheep.

[16] And other sheep I have, that are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice, and there shall be one fold and one shepherd. [17] Therefore doth the Father love me: because I lay down my life, that I may take it again. [18] No man taketh it away from me: but I lay it down of myself, and I have power to lay it down: and I have power to take it up again. This commandment have I received of my Father.


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Revelation 5: [1] And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne, a book written within and without, sealed with seven seals. [2] And I saw a strong angel, proclaiming with a loud voice: Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? [3] And no man was able, neither in heaven, nor on earth, nor under the earth, to open the book, nor to look on it. [4] And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open the book, nor to see it. [5] And one of the ancients said to me: Weep not; behold the lion of the tribe of Juda, the root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

[6] And I saw: and behold in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the ancients, a Lamb standing as it were slain, having seven horns and seven eyes: which are the seven Spirits of God, sent forth into all the earth. [7] And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat on the throne. [8] And when he had opened the book, the four living creatures, and the four and twenty ancients fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints: [9] And they sung a new canticle, saying: Thou art worthy, O Lord, to take the book, and to open the seals thereof; because thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God, in thy blood, out of every tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation. [10] And hast made us to our God a kingdom and priests, and we shall reign on the earth.


[11] And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne, and the living creatures, and the ancients; and the number of them was thousands of thousands, [12] Saying with a loud voice: The Lamb that was slain is worthy to receive power, and divinity, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and benediction. [13] And every creature, which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them: I heard all saying: To him that sitteth on the throne, and to the Lamb, benediction, and honour, and glory, and power, for ever and ever. [14] And the four living creatures said: Amen. And the four and twenty ancients fell down on their faces, and adored him that liveth for ever and ever.



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1 Chronicles 16:22 Touch not my anointed: and do no evil to my prophets.
Colossians 2:[21] Touch not, taste not, handle not:

Thread: Thus saith the LORD: Behold I set before you the way of life, and the way of death.

Thread: Jesus began to preach, and to say: Do penance, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.


Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus

Thread: Hell is real and most people are just a breath away from it. Ignorance is no excuse.

3 Kings (1 Kings) 18: [15] And Elias said: As the Lord of hosts liveth, before whose face I stand, this day.

Amos 3:7 For the Lord God doth nothing without revealing his secret to his servants the prophets.

BEHOLD! THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND!

Matthew 10: [34] Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword.


Jeremias (Jeremiah) 25: [27] And thou shalt say to them: Thus saith the Lord of hosts the God of Israel: Drink ye, and be drunken, and vomit: and fall, and rise no more, because of the sword, which I shall send among you.
[28] And if they refuse to take the cup at thy hand to drink, thou shalt say to them: Thus saith the Lord of hosts: Drinking you shall drink:

Jeremias (Jeremiah) 22:[29] O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the Lord.

Ezechiel (Ezeckiel) 39: [8] Behold it cometh, and it is done, saith the Lord God: this is the day whereof I have spoken.

2 Corinthians 11:31
The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who is blessed for ever, knoweth that I lie not.

Matthew 26:[46] Rise, let us go: behold he is at hand that will betray me.[47] As he yet spoke, behold Judas, one of
the twelve, came.

Aggeus (Haggai) 2: [7] For thus saith the Lord of hosts: Yet one little while, and I will move the heaven and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land.

(Isaiah) 24:[3] With desolation shall the earth be laid waste, and it shall be utterly spoiled: for the Lord hath spoken this word.

Zacharias (Zachariah) 13:7
Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that cleaveth to me, saith the Lord of hosts: strike the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered:

Ezechiel (Ezeckiel) 18:32
For I desire not the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord God, return ye and live.
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Re: To all the so-called Christians who also believe that you should shoot police if and when they enter your home forcibly
I am a Christian, but I have every right to defend myself and my family, when needed, by any means.
NO WARRANT, NO ENTRY.
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Ok, yeah defend your family. You should defend your family.

I was asking specifically about a situation where the government/police/swat whomever decides they need to come in your home... Are you going to shoot the place up and end up dead in the process?

Seems like that's how a lot of "christians" on this forum feel...
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