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Christians, Why hate Homosexuals? Are you any different?

 
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Do you realize that there are many Christians who worship God the Father and value the teachings of His son Jesus Christ? Never mind the stories of the Old Testament. It is the New Testament that is relevant today. There were no Christians in the Old Testament. "Christ"ianity came after Christ. And He did say a man should not lie with another man as he does with a woman. You're pointing out that the OT is corrupted.
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YES, of course I realise that. BUT show me a Church that doesn't preach the OT as well.

Where does Jesus say in the New Testament "a man should not lie with another man as he does with a woman"?

You have made the statement now prove it!

Furthermore... if the OT is flawed then the Bible cannot be the inerrant word of GOD.

Proving another lie told by people who would call themselves believers.

ohyeah



I don't know of a church that doesn't teach the Old Testament but then again I don't go to any church. I came across a rather convincing theory some time ago that fits with what I've always felt. It pointed out some key NT verses where Jesus discredits certain things from the OT. It pointed to fundamental differences between the NT God and the OT Father Jesus teaches about. It is not for me to try and explain because it is but one theory and if I am wrong I will not be blamed for leading any astray. I was raised being taught that the Bible is God-breathed and is just as God wanted it (In that regard I wondered about the Song of Solomon a few times lol)however, as I became an adult and started to look for my own answers in place of the ones I never fully bought into I've come to realize that on some issues there just are none concrete. Here are 2 I found from the New Testament that I do believe is inspired by Christ.

1 Timothy 1:10
10 the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers,[a] liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,

Jude:
Understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,
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There's a difference between hating homosexuality and homosexuals. Homosexuals as individuals I do not hate, homosexuality I hate.
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It's great that you don't hate homosexuals, they are people like the rest of us... neither you should!

However, why would you hate homosexuality?

Other than on this thread I don't spend a second of my life even thinking about it.

I am sure I wouldn't like running naked through the streets, but I don't spend any time thinking about that either.

So why would I express a hate for running through the streets naked. I'm never going to do it.

This is what I just don't understand.

ohyeah
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Why would I express hate for head cheese or fried cockroach. I'm never going to eat them.


It's because we have the ability to visually imagine things and to react to some of those images with instinctive like or dislike:)
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listen up you blaspheming witch

the blood of the lamb of God, Jesus Christ, had not been paid yet in the Old Testament

you did not create the heavens, the earth, and all that in them is...God did (Exod. 20:11, Isa. 45:12)

you don't know jack, jill

you don't know how best to deal with demon possessed heathen, or what the ramifications of not eradicating same, including their offspring and possessions, might be before man had the name and blood of Jesus Christ

For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. (Isa. 55:8-9)

your opinion of how a loving God would handle God's creation is not only worthless (Rom. 9:20), but blasphemy (Mark 3:29)

you don't judge God (Isa. 29:16), God will judge you (2 Cor. 5:10)...and I'm glad I'm not you:

So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. (Matt. 13:49-50)

That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (2 Thess. 2:12)
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We have all Heard that "Cleanliness is next to Godliness",


Nobody could say the act of Homosexual sex is a clean thing, the building I use to live in, you could literally smell their bowels falling out when they walked past you, would never intentionally live in a homosexual area again, no amount of aftershave can disguise they horrible stench

HORRIBLE ABOMINATIONS AGAINST THE FLESH = UNCLEAN SMELLS
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To Hate is sin, Christians don't hate ya'll
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GOD DOESN'T DO SUCH THINGS! GOD DOESN'T APPROVE OF SUCH THINGS!

God is pure love...
 Quoting: Amazed Continually! 1190661

your god satan has nothing but love for evil

Jesus defines good and evil for God's creation (Deut. 30:15, John 10:30), not you

A truly loving God judges evil, praise Jesus:

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels (Matt. 25:41)

For true and righteous are his judgments (Rev. 19;2)
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To Hate is sin, Christians don't hate ya'll
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God calls engaging in homosexuality a vile, profane abomination that will preclude inheritance of the kingdom of God and bring the wrath of God upon society.

Christians believe God (Rom. 4:3)
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Do you realize that there are many Christians who worship God the Father and value the teachings of His son Jesus Christ? Never mind the stories of the Old Testament. It is the New Testament that is relevant today. There were no Christians in the Old Testament. "Christ"ianity came after Christ. And He did say a man should not lie with another man as he does with a woman. You're pointing out that the OT is corrupted.
 Quoting: Amazed Continually! 1190661


YES, of course I realise that. BUT show me a Church that doesn't preach the OT as well.

Where does Jesus say in the New Testament "a man should not lie with another man as he does with a woman"?

You have made the statement now prove it!

Furthermore... if the OT is flawed then the Bible cannot be the inerrant word of GOD.

Proving another lie told by people who would call themselves believers.

ohyeah
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I don't know of a church that doesn't teach the Old Testament but then again I don't go to any church. I came across a rather convincing theory some time ago that fits with what I've always felt. It pointed out some key NT verses where Jesus discredits certain things from the OT. It pointed to fundamental differences between the NT God and the OT Father Jesus teaches about. It is not for me to try and explain because it is but one theory and if I am wrong I will not be blamed for leading any astray. I was raised being taught that the Bible is God-breathed and is just as God wanted it (In that regard I wondered about the Song of Solomon a few times lol)however, as I became an adult and started to look for my own answers in place of the ones I never fully bought into I've come to realize that on some issues there just are none concrete. Here are 2 I found from the New Testament that I do believe is inspired by Christ.

1 Timothy 1:10
10 the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers,[a] liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,

Jude:
Understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,


Oh sorry I didn't mean you to spend ages checking for that teaching... I could have given it to you.

However, it isn't Jesus' teachings it is Pauls'.

Now I have a great deal of trouble with this "inspired by GOD stuff and GOD breathed.

To accept that you have to accept that Paul oppresses women as an instruction from GOD. Duck when you tell that to your wife or any significant women in your lives.

Here's what Paul says on the oppression of women. His own words condemn him so they can't be from GOD.

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Jesus never taught this. As it is a reaching about 50% of his flock, one would think he would have taught it then, wouldn't he?

So far on this thread I have shown Paul the oppressors unGODly teachings and Mad Moses' unGODly teachings. Can you trust them on anything?

The answer would have to be NO!

So as they are the two who spoke most loudly against homosexuality, when Jesus was silent on the issue, the evidence says you shouldn't listen to them.

It is a simple concept... do you trust men... when the Son of GOD didn't say the same things?

From my perspective it is the difference of believing men's teachings over Jesus/GOD.

Jesus rebuked Peter very heavily, by saying "Get thee behind me Satan" so - Can you really trust men?

I don't trust Paul and Moses at all!

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To Hate is sin, Christians don't hate ya'll
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God calls engaging in homosexuality a vile, profane abomination that will preclude inheritance of the kingdom of God and bring the wrath of God upon society.

Christians believe God (Rom. 4:3)
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Paul isn't GOD... suprise suprise...

I get flabbergasted by the simplicity of such craziness, and yet you people just don't get it.

Mark 7:7-9 Their worship is a farce, for they teach man-made ideas as commands from God.

For you ignore God’s law and substitute your own tradition.”

Then he said, “You skilfully sidestep God’s law in order to hold on to your own tradition.


Paul was a Pharisee, he oppressed women using Pharasaical law... OR GOD want you to oppress women.

Take your choice!

tantrum

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GOD DOESN'T DO SUCH THINGS! GOD DOESN'T APPROVE OF SUCH THINGS!

God is pure love...
 Quoting: Amazed Continually! 1190661

your god satan has nothing but love for evil

Jesus defines good and evil for God's creation (Deut. 30:15, John 10:30), not you

A truly loving God judges evil, praise Jesus:

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels (Matt. 25:41)

For true and righteous are his judgments (Rev. 19;2)

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Keep sinking into the depths. How's that dudt in the Holy water going? Got your next brew ready? 1rof1

You fail GOD with every post.

Should I keep laughing in your face? Yep!

ohyeah
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Homosexuals are mommy's best friends.....
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Perhaps this is a good time to discuss JOB. Sorry Nef I had to teach these poor believers with the double standards.

They seem to keep selling me on the concept that the Bible is correct and GOD believes in Sharia Law and other Mosaic and Paulian falsehoods. They keep trying to sell me on the concept that GOD is evil because the Bible says so!

They certainly have their BIBLE babble down to a fine art... BUT do they ever really analyze what they believe? Do they ever defend GOD? How unintelligent do they think GOD really is?

Let's look at a couple of silly tales for their appreciation and edumacationalisation.

For people's consideration -

THE TEMPTATION OF JESUS

If JESUS is GOD then how can GOD be tempted by the lowly SATAN? Oh according to James he can't!

James 1:13: Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

So how could JESUS/GOD be tempted?

JESUS has just been baptised and GOD speaks so all can hear.

Did JESUS know he was the Son of GOD before the baptism? YES!

Did Jesus know he was the Son of GOD after his baptism? YES! Well he did unless he was blind and deaf!

Matthew 3:16-17 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.


So for simplicity lets focus on one of the alleged temptations.

Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.


WHAT? JESUS/GOD was tempted? He was offered all the kingdoms of the world by the lowly fallen angel Satan?

Didn't JESUS/GOD create all things? Isn't GOD the master of the Universe?

He already owns them! It's like someone tempting you with the car you already own! Here let me give you 1 cent for your car... Are you tempted? Of course not!

You believers, with your lack of knowledge, lack of logic, lack of analysis and lack of discernment give Satan way too much power.

Please STOP undermining GOD's LOVE AND OMNISCIENCE with this infantile Bible babble.

GOD gave us an inquiring mind, if it is the end times, shouldn't we try using it? Even just a little bit?

Why would JESUS/GOD accept the offer of all the Kingdoms of the Earth when he is the owner and creator of the multiverses?

Is Satan this dumb to think JESUS would accept?

NOW to JOB

Job is a fanciful tale that undermines everything Christians would hold true about GOD, when it suits them, and yet they miss it totally.

It undermines the very intelligence of GOD. It undermines totally the Omniscience of GOD, and it undermines the FREE WILL argument people continue to use as an excuse.

According to this silly tale GOD even offers up JOB to Satan. Is this really how you think GOD operates?

Job 1:8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

I thought JESUS was the only perfect person to have lived... OOPS!

But worse according to this silly tale Satan challenges GOD, (tempts GOD), and GOD takes the bait.

Really? GOD can be tempted by the lowly Satan? Are you sure? Re-read James James 1:13 again so that it sinks in.

Job 1:9-12 Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?

Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.

But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.

And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.


GOD and Satan both know GOD is omniscient don’t they?

So all Satan had to do was ask "Will Job fail?" And GOD being omniscient would tell him NO!

BUT also GOD'S omniscience was also forgotten by GOD apparently!

BUT GOD according to the story you believe isn't intelligent enough to do that and accepts Satan's temptation. AMAZING!

Satan is let loose on JOB, by GOD, and goes straight to work.

Job 1: 13-19 One day when Job’s sons and daughters were feasting and drinking wine at the oldest brother’s house, a messenger came to Job and said, “The oxen were plowing and the donkeys were grazing nearby, and the Sabeans attacked and made off with them. They put the servants to the sword, and I am the only one who has escaped to tell you!”

While he was still speaking, another messenger came and said, “The fire of God fell from the heavens and burned up the sheep and the servants, and I am the only one who has escaped to tell you!”

While he was still speaking, another messenger came and said, “The Chaldeans formed three raiding parties and swept down on your camels and made off with them. They put the servants to the sword, and I am the only one who has escaped to tell you!”

While he was still speaking, yet another messenger came and said, “Your sons and daughters were feasting and drinking wine at the oldest brother’s house, when suddenly a mighty wind swept in from the desert and struck the four corners of the house. It collapsed on them and they are dead, and I am the only one who has escaped to tell you!”


OK we know that some sort of free will exists and we all make choices.

BUT where is the FREE WILL in this story? Why did all these innocent people die? They had no say in anything!

If GOD is loving why did these innocents die?

If GOD is omniscient why did he need to test JOB? He knew the outcome any way.

Come on people please start to think… You continually make GOD out to be unintelligent undermining his LOVE and OMNISCIENCE with your belief in these unintelligent stories.

Why do you empower Satan and undermine JESUS and GOD with this rubbish?

Does your loving GOD really operate like this? Doesn't this story make GOD sound pathetic?

These stories are a farce!

GOD IS NOTHING LIKE THIS!

KEEP STUDYING!

ohyeah
 Quoting: Amazed Continually! 1190661


I love a good debate, Amazed!

Regarding the Temptation of Jesus:

I've always thought the Devil is dumb. Obviously he wasn't going to offer kingdoms, bread and the chance for Jesus to test his ability to survive a long fall and expect Jesus of all people to succumb. This is a good example of something a Christian would need to understand better. What exactly was going on here?

The Pawn Known as Job:

This is one of my favorite books in the Bible. Odd, huh? I know. When I first read it, I was shocked. I couldn't believe that God had allowed his faithful servant Job to suffer so much pain. The loss of all his children. Imagine that! I can get the loss of his wealth but his children? That must have hurt like crazy. Why was Job treated like a pawn in a game of chess?

Why do I love this book? First off, I believe that this story was a lesson, a parable but more direct than the ones Jesus told. It is said that this is one of the oldest books of the Bible. It was written much earlier than the others. So what purpose did this story serve? What are the key points (in my opinion).

1. God has regular "cabinet" meetings with His Angels and guess what? Satan attended these. What???? Why???? God doesn't chase him away. In fact, He asks Satan what he has been up to lately?
2. Upon hearing all the bad news, Job thanks God. This is amazing and was also done by King David upon the death of his son.
3. There are 3 religious friends who have their own narrow minded theories about why all this was happening to Job. They mistakenly believe that Job sinned and was being punished for whatever he had done. They refuse to believe Job when he proclaims his innocence.
4. Job's test comes to an end and God restores his wealth and gives him more children. Job proved that he could remain faithful no matter what had happened to him although Job did ask several times why God had forsaken him.

So what's the purpose of this story? To teach us lessons.

Lesson 1: I think it shows us that terrible things can happen and that it could be God's will!!! I know.... Christians love to paint a pretty picture of God. They like to believe that He is somehow not quite the same God as He was in the OT. And that believing otherwise takes away from Him somehow. But to think like that is to ignore facts. God created all things including the Devil. All evil that occurs, God has allowed it. Why? We don't know. It's a chess game between God and the Devil.

If not, God should have crushed the Devil a long time ago.

Lesson 2: Our fellow Christians may not be the best people to depend on seeing as they may not actually have a clue about what they are talking about. Most of the Book has these three people talking and talking and talking. Judging, judging and judging. They claim to know God and how He works but they are clearly wrong. I don't want to be like them.

I am convinced that there are plenty of Jobs (of varying degrees) in this world. I am sure that terrible things happen to people that they did not bring on themselves. The Book of Job is the only book in the Bible that shows us this. This, to me, is its purpose. It explains a lot actually.

As for The Temptation of Jesus, I'm still drawing a blank. Did this actually happen? Is it a metaphor? Was the temptation done in the spirit? Or do we take this literally? No idea yet.
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This is for those who think sexuality is a choice. I was raised a Christian. Church, Sunday school every Sunday. I believed in my heart in God and that Jesus died on the cross to save us from our sins. I wasn't a "sissy". I did all the stuff any typical guy would do not because I felt I had to but because I enjoyed them...sports, camping, outdoors and all that, yet I didn't do some of the cruel things that even some of my buddies from church did. I'd always tried to do the right thing because I knew that's what Jesus wanted us to do. When I went into puberty I found I was attracted to guys. I knew it was wrong, so I prayed to God, to Jesus...please change me...I don't want to be this way. I prayed and prayed, wondering what it was I had done for God to allow this to happen to me. What did I do wrong? Everyone said what a nice guy I was, but they didn't know what was going on inside. All my buddies were dating, talking about their girlfriends, kissing them, talking about "how far" they could go...even some of my Christian buddies. I knew it was wrong to do some of the things the guys were talking about even if I was 'straight'. But even kissing a girl, I couldn't even do that, because it would have been a lie on my part. They kept asking why I didn't have a girlfriend. I was good looking and had a good built and it would have been no problem for me to "fake it", but I just couldn't do it. Some of the guys were really raunchy...I didn't want to even be associated with guys that did the things they did. So I became withdrawn. And I prayed. I prayed with all my heart for God to change me. It didn't happen and I couldn't figure out why. I even asked God, more than once, "God, you said seek, ye shall find...ask and it will be given unto you...knock and the door will be open unto you. I'm seeking, I'm asking and I'm knocking. Please help me". When that didn't work I asked God to show me where I went wrong, what I had done to be punished this way. Nada. I remembered the foot print in the sands thing, about Jesus carrying me when there were only one set of prints. I prayed on that. Nada. So I decided I'd just live my life...remember the Golden Rule just because that's a decent way to be. And that's where I am now.
So maybe one of you can tell me where I went wrong? What did I do to be 'punished' or whatever you want to call it? Please don't give excuses about my not really being a Christian to begin with. I prayed every night since I was old enough to talk...said the Lord's Prayer, and confessed and asked forgiveness for all my sins...every night without fail. Some of my buddies that were so wild in high school...married with kids and now grand and even great grand kids. I have none of that...and...WHY...??? It wasn't my choice to be gay, but I am. It makes me angry when people say it's a choice. What do you know, having been born heterosexual and then condemning me to hell because I'm not? "Hate the sin, not the sinner"...are you so perfect? Just how sinless are you to judge someone else? I think you don't get it. It's "do unto others as ye would have them do unto you", not "Speak my name and point out others sins because you're so special."
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Thanks for contributing to this debate. Your story is an example of decent human beings who are homosexuals. It seems to me that many people think that someone who is homosexual is very different from a normal person somehow. As if to say, if he is a homosexual, he probably does other bad things too.

Did you do something wrong? When would you have done this wrong thing? In a previous life? Christianity doesn't subscribe to reincarnation. So no, you didn't do something to deserve being ostracized by society because you are attracted to persons of the same sex by default. And that is the question. How do we explain people who are homosexuals from when they were kids? How come they have that inclination from the moment they can think sexual thoughts?

I sincerely believe that homosexuality isn't a choice. If someone says they chose to be homosexual, then they are probably bi-sexual IMO. People tell me that homosexuality has become the new "cool". I disagree. It is not a fad that will disappear with time. It is not fashionable...at least not in my world. The gay couple I know are pretty much like you. One of them is an atheist and grew up without religion but his partner came from a very strict Anglican home. He was and still is torn by the Church's stance on the matter. He, however, gave up on Church. Unfortunately as much as he wants to leave Christians alone, he feels under attack by them nonetheless. I guess it's because of the different campaigns going on. Massive pro-gay and anti-gay campaigns.
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You're welcome...I'm glad to contribute, but the vast majority of the time I'm hesitant because people just don't get it. They either stick their minds in the gutter about it or stick their minds in the Bible about it, and too often both.

When Women's Lib started, I said it should be civil rights. When Gay Lib started I said it should be civil rights. It's only civil to respect those that do no harm to others and treat them equally, but people twist what consists of 'harm' and the ignorant compare it to vices such as pedophiles and even murder. Twisted minds do that and what twists them is their not comprehending the Bible or their own sexuality and concentrating on negativeness.
I don't wear leather chaps with my bare ass showing, and I don't dress in drag, even though it doesn't bother me for others to do it and I support their rights to do it...in the proper places. Hell, I can't decorate a room, I hate to shop and I have no albums by Barbara Streisand or Judy Garland. I'm just me, a person trying to get along and my sexuality as to who I am is private and not the most important thing about me. I'd think, I HOPE most gays would tend toward that. Some I know do, some I know don't...to varying degrees.
I hear this idiocy of the "gay agenda" as if every gay person wants to shove their lifestyle down the throats of those who oppose. The few that HAVE made this kind of agenda are in the minority. Most gays just want the freedom of any other American and would rather not make waves unless injustice is demonstrated.
Hate crimes? ANY violent act against any person is a crime, and no more so for a gay person or a black person or a white person or a Jewish person or whatever. I've never heard of anyone ever doing a violent act against someone out of love.
I just wish everyone (gay or straight...or whatever) would learn to treat each other with respect and show compassion...because we're all human.
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Somehow my response to you didn't get posted. I apologize.

I heard about the "gay agenda" again this morning. I heard a lot of things that made me wonder. I was in a hair salon and this topic was brought up. Wow...a lot of feelings and misconceptions. One lady said she didn't think there was a difference between homosexuals and pedophiles. So much was said. In the end, (we spend hours on our hair) we agreed that what's making everyone uncomfortable is the endless discussions. The ladies said that if gay marriage was kept out of churches and no literature was given to school kids "explaining" gay sexuality, then yes, they wouldn't have a problem. I think the default position of many is "Please drop the subject already!"

My culture is conservative. Here we don't even discuss hetero sex!!! We don't encourage any public display of affection like French kissing and petting. At my wedding in 2005, it never occurred to us to include "You may now kiss the bride". It is rare and when it happens, guests are scandalized. We complain constantly about rap music played on radios and music videos showing half naked women dancing on tv. The lyrics are crazy. Bitch this, f$@k that. Grown men rapping about big cars, lots of dollars, drugs and women. Bad news.

The Anti-Gay movement has taken to describing the homosexual acts in a bid to get us to vote in the Anti-Gay Bill. They talk anal sex, rimming (sp) to disgust people. The Pro-gay movement responds describing anal sex between a man and a woman. In this country, anal sex is a big fat NO NO. It is actually a criminal act - Sodomy - and has been since we became a country. (Not that the Police will walk into your bedroom and check. But someone can report you for practicing it.) So you can imagine the information overload going on. SEX, SEX, SEX everywhere.

Maybe if society put sex back into the bedroom and out of the public arena, we would all get on just fine. And I'm talking ALL types of sex. Maybe then we can discuss human rights, what's fair and maybe we can come to an acceptable agreement. I feel that the concentration on sexual acts is creating a lot of emotion and if we go on like this, we will never hear the end of it. I don't want my little children to know what these things are yet. They are babies!!!!
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What is an abomination?

I've seen that word used plenty of times here. But today a lady told me that while lying, stealing and some others are "sins", homosexuality is an abomination.

What does that mean in terms of Christian Doctrine?

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What is an abomination?

I've seen that word used plenty of times here. But today a lady told me that while lying, stealing and some others are "sins", homosexuality is an abomination.

What does that mean in terms of Christian Doctrine?
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I did a whole piece an where abomination has been used in the Bible Nef.

Thread: Christians, Why hate Homosexuals? Are you any different? (Page 8)

Here is the definitions used for H8441 abomination in Strong's

[link to www.blueletterbible.org]

Or H8263 abomination

[link to www.blueletterbible.org]

H8441 is the one used in the Moses verses on homosexuals but is also the one used if men wear women's clothes and women wear men's clothes.

If Homosexuality and people wearing each others clothes are similar then that creates a major problem for women wearing slack suits.

The problem is though back in Moses' times men and women dressed very similarly.

That is why some people relate it only to the term "cross dressing" although that isn't defined by the word.

I would think that GOD might call people thinking he would commit or encourage us to commit

Proverbs 6:16-19 These six (things) doth the LORD hate: yea, seven (are) an abomination unto him:

A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

A false witness (that) speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.


So in the end we all must be abominations because all have lied and all have probably had a proud look... at least.

BUT of course believers miss all that because they have promoted homosexuality to a higher abomination to divert attention away from themselves.

That is why all these people who think homosexuality is a sin are really blindly deluding themselves about their own sin. They need someone to pick on and oppress.

I wonder if bullying and oppression are sins?

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OOPS

I didn't finish this line...

I would think that GOD might call people believing he would commit or encourage someone to commit Infanticide, rape, murder, animal and human sacrifice, ethnic cleansing, war crimes, torture, stoning, slavery and other atrocities - abominations.

If that is the case... there are a few abominations on this thread...

I simply can't accept GOD would approve of any of these things.

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listen up you blaspheming witch

the blood of the lamb of God, Jesus Christ, had not been paid yet in the Old Testament

you did not create the heavens, the earth, and all that in them is...God did (Exod. 20:11, Isa. 45:12)

you don't know jack, jill

you don't know how best to deal with demon possessed heathen, or what the ramifications of not eradicating same, including their offspring and possessions, might be before man had the name and blood of Jesus Christ

For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. (Isa. 55:8-9)

your opinion of how a loving God would handle God's creation is not only worthless (Rom. 9:20), but blasphemy (Mark 3:29)

you don't judge God (Isa. 29:16), God will judge you (2 Cor. 5:10)...and I'm glad I'm not you:

So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. (Matt. 13:49-50)

That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (2 Thess. 2:12)

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OOPS

I didn't finish this line...

I would think that GOD might call people believing he would commit or encourage someone to commit Infanticide, rape, murder, animal and human sacrifice, ethnic cleansing, war crimes, torture, stoning, slavery and other atrocities - abominations.

If that is the case... there are a few abominations on this thread...

I simply can't accept GOD would approve of any of these things.

ohyeah
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Thanks for the definitions and your post refresher!hf

They confirmed what I thought. An abomination is a sin. The words are interchangeable if you read Leviticus. I was stunned when a lady argued that homosexuality being an abomination meant it was worse than sin!!!! For a moment there (I didn't have my iPad and couldn't be bothered checking on my phone), I thought I'd missed something.

Take a look at this:

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) Lev 18:26
Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:


Remember what I said before? These laws were to be kept by Israelites and strangers living among them. Arrrghhh!!! Sometimes I get tired and wonder if it isn't better to let people perish in their ignorance.

I'm reading (amongst other things) Babylon Rising. I know this is a bit OT but you like? I think the author does a fantastic job at figuring out the whys. Has loads of credible theories on why God did A, B and C. Nephilim is covered extensively. I wonder if he tackles homosexuality. Just started reading his interpretation of Paul's Letter to Ephesus. Maybe he can shed some light on what Paul was thinking.

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Homosexuality is a gender identification disorder and it is a mental illness. The views of Christians regarding the morality of it is a separate issue that just so happens to coincide with the fact that it is a mental disorder. If there is hatred involved in any of the discussion, then that is wrong.
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Whilst I agree no one should show hatred to homosexuals or even judge them calling it a mental disorder is simply wrong.

That is how they used to discriminate against them in the past. So you have just discriminated in another way.

So should we now call your lack of knowledge a mental disorder?

Come on... You are better than this!

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Why is that wrong? Because you have been conditioned to say that it is wrong? The fact remains that homosexuals do suffer from gender identity disorder, which is in fact a mental illness. You have been so conditioned to not offend someone, that you refuse to call a spade a spade.
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What medical qualifications do you have to justify a falsehood as a fact?

How many years study have you done into homosexuality?

I'm guessing - zero! Hey you are overqualified...1rof1

Your comments are as bad as the other ill-informed comments on this thread.

I love the way you say I have been conditioned... When you are the one making a fool of yourself, and pretending you know something.

Do you have the mental disorder of lack of intellect?

You have just proven yourself to be as unknowing as the Christians you would criticise.

Hide! I have sent the white coats around to your place.

WAKE UP!

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Your insults and attempts to discredit me personally only goes to show that you have nothing of substance to add to this discussion. I do not have any medical qualifications, but with the amount of information available online, I don't need to. What I have discovered is that when homosexuality is treated appropriately as the condition that it is, and when it is treated with a mixture of hormonal supplements and therapy, it can be cured. The testimony of the patients who undergo this treatment is proof enough that it works. Now, if it were up to people like you, homosexuals would never get the help they so desperately need and they would go on to live very disturbed, depressed, and hopeless lives filled with gender confusion and sexual compulsiveness.
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To Hate is sin, Christians don't hate ya'll
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You don't know very much about our faith do you?
Here you, learn some things about hate:
[link to www.christ-saviour.com]

Same as this retarded OP that needs to read up on hate too, besides keeping her mouth shut, she's a self admitted woman, she has no business teaching men anything about the Bible.

This African weirdo that loves sodomy so much (something that God hates) also needs to learn this about her blasphemy:
[link to peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org]

Unsubmitted jezebel is what the OP clearly is.
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To Hate is sin, Christians don't hate ya'll
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God calls engaging in homosexuality a vile, profane abomination that will preclude inheritance of the kingdom of God and bring the wrath of God upon society.

Christians believe God (Rom. 4:3)
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Paul isn't GOD... suprise suprise...

I get flabbergasted by the simplicity of such craziness, and yet you people just don't get it.

Mark 7:7-9 Their worship is a farce, for they teach man-made ideas as commands from God.

For you ignore God’s law and substitute your own tradition.”

Then he said, “You skilfully sidestep God’s law in order to hold on to your own tradition.


Paul was a Pharisee, he oppressed women using Pharasaical law... OR GOD want you to oppress women.

Take your choice!

tantrum

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I see what you did there Satan.
You really suck at twisting the Word. Maybe you should go to seminary so you can lie better like the "good" hereticks, those that make millions writing books thanks to their Th.D.s

What you miss you dumb blaspheming sodomite (btw your hatred of Jesus is very obvious because of this ADD obsession you are showing in this thread) is that there are the codes of the Bible that shows how all of these people you don't trust their words are supposed to be in there, when you take it out you remove the code, I'd show you but that would be like throwing pearls to swine (you) and Jesus said not to throw pearls to swine like you.

Rage on, you are funny, you're like watching Saturday night live to a real Christians, you're raging and all angry with God and wants to murder his people, like an Adolf Hitler in a trance about the people of God raging on and on.

Like this guy:


like when you'll be in hell and you'll be like "why am I in hell? Why am I in hell?"

Or why not Yoko Ono:


you're comedic relief, but stay tuned I might actually use you as an example in an upcoming article and of course the Ugandan sodomite woman. Unless I forget, but I will touch upon your idiocy in the future, until then keep this shit up it is hilarious.

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Fags are pretty fucking annoying, but since I steer clear of them they don't bother me.
Christians are more annoying and I steer clear of them too!
What shouldn't be done (like christians do!!) is to advertise one's beliefs or sexual persuasion.
Nobody gives a fuck if you worship a fairy or if you ARE a fairy!!
Keep what you do and believe in to yourself or share it with others who hold the same opinions.
Seeing a 'jesus loves you' billboard is as much a pain in the ass as some faggy liberals putting up a billboard with two blokes kissing, and a 'use a condom' slogan underneath!
Fuck you for making me look at your particular perversion (and yes, christianity is a perversion).
I don't demand signs be put up advertising the virtues of gun ownership, nor do I go around having a 'guitar pride' day.
My interests are my own and so should everybody else's be...
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So why are you telling us this you hypocrite?
Just shut the eff up, live as you teach so shut up.
If you actually did that then someone might actually listen to your tarded ideas, instead you are here telling all that they should not tell about their stuff but you should be allowed to tell all about your stuff?

You're a moran, I hope they BANE YOU.
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I am Christian and I do not hate gays. I have no right to judge that is the job of Jesus Christ. Let he who has never sinned cast the first stone.
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Either you're the most ignorant Christian on the planet which can be repaired by reading this article:

IS IT RIGHT: To Judge, To Expose Error, & To Call Names?
[link to av1611.org]

and the answer is, yes it is.
Here's a free pdf, epub and mobi book about it:
The Judge Not Heresy
[link to www.wayoflife.org]

but personally I think you're just another sodomite pretending to be a Christian. If you really were a Christian you would be in the Word daily, then you would not have missed all those parts about judgment and would not have said such idiotic crap. All you did was help the enemies of God with your "neutrality".
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To Hate is sin, Christians don't hate ya'll
 Quoting: TruthMongerer

God calls engaging in homosexuality a vile, profane abomination that will preclude inheritance of the kingdom of God and bring the wrath of God upon society.

Christians believe God (Rom. 4:3)
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Paul isn't GOD... suprise suprise...

I get flabbergasted by the simplicity of such craziness, and yet you people just don't get it.

Mark 7:7-9 Their worship is a farce, for they teach man-made ideas as commands from God.

For you ignore God’s law and substitute your own tradition.”

Then he said, “You skilfully sidestep God’s law in order to hold on to your own tradition.


Paul was a Pharisee, he oppressed women using Pharasaical law... OR GOD want you to oppress women.

Take your choice!

tantrum

ohyeah
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I see what you did there Satan.
You really suck at twisting the Word. Maybe you should go to seminary so you can lie better like the "good" hereticks, those that make millions writing books thanks to their Th.D.s

What you miss you dumb blaspheming sodomite (btw your hatred of Jesus is very obvious because of this ADD obsession you are showing in this thread) is that there are the codes of the Bible that shows how all of these people you don't trust their words are supposed to be in there, when you take it out you remove the code, I'd show you but that would be like throwing pearls to swine (you) and Jesus said not to throw pearls to swine like you.

Rage on, you are funny, you're like watching Saturday night live to a real Christians, you're raging and all angry with God and wants to murder his people, like an Adolf Hitler in a trance about the people of God raging on and on.

Like this guy:


like when you'll be in hell and you'll be like "why am I in hell? Why am I in hell?"

Or why not Yoko Ono:


you're comedic relief, but stay tuned I might actually use you as an example in an upcoming article and of course the Ugandan sodomite woman. Unless I forget, but I will touch upon your idiocy in the future, until then keep this shit up it is hilarious.

ana
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Wow Sven from Sveden knows the word Svatan ... 1rof1

I'm not svatan if I svas I wouldn't be posting here.

Bevare Sven, You can't call people names like Svatan and AntiChrist, and be wrong.

Quick call a sjuksköterska Sven is out of his depth...1rof1

Now as I am straight you are bearing false witness calling me a Sodomite. OUCH! Epic Fail

Is it blasphemy to defend GOD and Jesus against people who would believe and accept horrendous things against them? OUCH! Epic Fail

I haven't twisted the word I quote it every time, giving Chapter and verse... How are you with that? OUCH! Epic Fail1rof1

Is sodomite your new word for the day? OUCH! Epic Fail 1rof1

Poor Sven has eaten too much Surstromming ...1rof1

So Sven will you defend GOD or would you rather defend the horrendous things said about GOD in the Bible?

Why do you believers believe that GOD is so unintelligent?

Why do believers in their zeal and unknowingness break Jesus' teachings continually trying to defend Moses, Paul and the Bible, whilst believing such horrid things about GOD?

2 Corinthians 11:8 I robbed other churches, taking wages of them, to do you service.

What was Paul admitting to here?

It's OK Sven ... You can call me names ... I turn the other cheek.

Matthew 5:59 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

It's OK Sven I forgive you.

Matthew 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

It's OK Sven I will Do unto others ... By not calling you names.

Matthew 7:12 Do unto others

The code/Pearls before swine... 1rof1

You are a funny one! I win!

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listen up you blaspheming witch

the blood of the lamb of God, Jesus Christ, had not been paid yet in the Old Testament

you did not create the heavens, the earth, and all that in them is...God did (Exod. 20:11, Isa. 45:12)

you don't know jack, jill

you don't know how best to deal with demon possessed heathen, or what the ramifications of not eradicating same, including their offspring and possessions, might be before man had the name and blood of Jesus Christ

For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. (Isa. 55:8-9)

your opinion of how a loving God would handle God's creation is not only worthless (Rom. 9:20), but blasphemy (Mark 3:29)

you don't judge God (Isa. 29:16), God will judge you (2 Cor. 5:10)...and I'm glad I'm not you:

So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. (Matt. 13:49-50)

That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (2 Thess. 2:12)

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OUCH! So I am a blaspheming witch now?... 1rof1

Don't bruise your fingers thumping on your keypad with such venom...1rof1

Are you losing the plot? You mean I didn't create everything? I'm not GOD? Really? 1rof1

Gee I was looking in the mirror the other day and I thought I was GOD... I think I should get a new mirror, it is deceiving me...1rof1

How would you deal with demon possessed heathen and how would you eradicate them, their offspring and possessions?

Are you OK? That comment makes you sound a bit unwell.

Have a lie down and breath deeply... Do you need to call a DR?

Look I realise we have disagreed on everything but there is no need to make yourself unwell just to make your point.

I won't address you any longer because you are now saying things that may indicate you need help.

Be well my friend!

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listen up you blaspheming witch

the blood of the lamb of God, Jesus Christ, had not been paid yet in the Old Testament

you did not create the heavens, the earth, and all that in them is...God did (Exod. 20:11, Isa. 45:12)

you don't know jack, jill

you don't know how best to deal with demon possessed heathen, or what the ramifications of not eradicating same, including their offspring and possessions, might be before man had the name and blood of Jesus Christ

For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. (Isa. 55:8-9)

your opinion of how a loving God would handle God's creation is not only worthless (Rom. 9:20), but blasphemy (Mark 3:29)

you don't judge God (Isa. 29:16), God will judge you (2 Cor. 5:10)...and I'm glad I'm not you:

So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. (Matt. 13:49-50)

That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (2 Thess. 2:12)

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OUCH! So I am a blaspheming witch now?... 1rof1

Don't bruise your fingers thumping on your keypad with such venom...1rof1

Are you losing the plot? You mean I didn't create everything? I'm not GOD? Really? 1rof1

Gee I was looking in the mirror the other day and I thought I was GOD... I think I should get a new mirror, it is deceiving me...1rof1

How would you deal with demon possessed heathen and how would you eradicate them, their offspring and possessions?

Are you OK? That comment makes you sound a bit unwell.

Have a lie down and breath deeply... Do you need to call a DR?

Look I realise we have disagreed on everything but there is no need to make yourself unwell just to make your point.

I won't address you any longer because you are now saying things that may indicate you need help.

Be well my friend!

red_heart
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this poster has absolutely no idea that hell is real

There is no fear of God before their eyes. (Rom. 3:18)

scary
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listen up you blaspheming witch

the blood of the lamb of God, Jesus Christ, had not been paid yet in the Old Testament

you did not create the heavens, the earth, and all that in them is...God did (Exod. 20:11, Isa. 45:12)

you don't know jack, jill

you don't know how best to deal with demon possessed heathen, or what the ramifications of not eradicating same, including their offspring and possessions, might be before man had the name and blood of Jesus Christ

For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. (Isa. 55:8-9)

your opinion of how a loving God would handle God's creation is not only worthless (Rom. 9:20), but blasphemy (Mark 3:29)

you don't judge God (Isa. 29:16), God will judge you (2 Cor. 5:10)...and I'm glad I'm not you:

So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. (Matt. 13:49-50)

That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (2 Thess. 2:12)

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OUCH! So I am a blaspheming witch now?... 1rof1

Don't bruise your fingers thumping on your keypad with such venom...1rof1

Are you losing the plot? You mean I didn't create everything? I'm not GOD? Really? 1rof1

Gee I was looking in the mirror the other day and I thought I was GOD... I think I should get a new mirror, it is deceiving me...1rof1

How would you deal with demon possessed heathen and how would you eradicate them, their offspring and possessions?

Are you OK? That comment makes you sound a bit unwell.

Have a lie down and breath deeply... Do you need to call a DR?

Look I realise we have disagreed on everything but there is no need to make yourself unwell just to make your point.

I won't address you any longer because you are now saying things that may indicate you need help.

Be well my friend!

red_heart
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wall wall wall wall wall wall wall wall

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Whilst I agree no one should show hatred to homosexuals or even judge them calling it a mental disorder is simply wrong.

That is how they used to discriminate against them in the past. So you have just discriminated in another way.

So should we now call your lack of knowledge a mental disorder?

Come on... You are better than this!

ohyeah
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Why is that wrong? Because you have been conditioned to say that it is wrong? The fact remains that homosexuals do suffer from gender identity disorder, which is in fact a mental illness. You have been so conditioned to not offend someone, that you refuse to call a spade a spade.
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What medical qualifications do you have to justify a falsehood as a fact?

How many years study have you done into homosexuality?

I'm guessing - zero! Hey you are overqualified...1rof1

Your comments are as bad as the other ill-informed comments on this thread.

I love the way you say I have been conditioned... When you are the one making a fool of yourself, and pretending you know something.

Do you have the mental disorder of lack of intellect?

You have just proven yourself to be as unknowing as the Christians you would criticise.

Hide! I have sent the white coats around to your place.

WAKE UP!

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Your insults and attempts to discredit me personally only goes to show that you have nothing of substance to add to this discussion. I do not have any medical qualifications, but with the amount of information available online, I don't need to. What I have discovered is that when homosexuality is treated appropriately as the condition that it is, and when it is treated with a mixture of hormonal supplements and therapy, it can be cured. The testimony of the patients who undergo this treatment is proof enough that it works. Now, if it were up to people like you, homosexuals would never get the help they so desperately need and they would go on to live very disturbed, depressed, and hopeless lives filled with gender confusion and sexual compulsiveness.
 Quoting: Rising Son


OH what rot.... It must be true it is on the internet! 1rof1

You are correct I have nothing to add to this part of the conversation... I just shake my head in disbelief.

Are they turning homosexuals into closet homosexuals and claiming success? 1rof1

I wonder if there is a hormone package to turn us all homosexual?

It isn't a mental disorder!

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Re: Christians, Why hate Homosexuals? Are you any different?
Perhaps this is a good time to discuss JOB. Sorry Nef I had to teach these poor believers with the double standards.

They seem to keep selling me on the concept that the Bible is correct and GOD believes in Sharia Law and other Mosaic and Paulian falsehoods. They keep trying to sell me on the concept that GOD is evil because the Bible says so!

They certainly have their BIBLE babble down to a fine art... BUT do they ever really analyze what they believe? Do they ever defend GOD? How unintelligent do they think GOD really is?

Let's look at a couple of silly tales for their appreciation and edumacationalisation.

For people's consideration -

THE TEMPTATION OF JESUS

If JESUS is GOD then how can GOD be tempted by the lowly SATAN? Oh according to James he can't!

James 1:13: Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

So how could JESUS/GOD be tempted?

JESUS has just been baptised and GOD speaks so all can hear.

Did JESUS know he was the Son of GOD before the baptism? YES!

Did Jesus know he was the Son of GOD after his baptism? YES! Well he did unless he was blind and deaf!

Matthew 3:16-17 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.


So for simplicity lets focus on one of the alleged temptations.

Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.


WHAT? JESUS/GOD was tempted? He was offered all the kingdoms of the world by the lowly fallen angel Satan?

Didn't JESUS/GOD create all things? Isn't GOD the master of the Universe?

He already owns them! It's like someone tempting you with the car you already own! Here let me give you 1 cent for your car... Are you tempted? Of course not!

You believers, with your lack of knowledge, lack of logic, lack of analysis and lack of discernment give Satan way too much power.

Please STOP undermining GOD's LOVE AND OMNISCIENCE with this infantile Bible babble.

GOD gave us an inquiring mind, if it is the end times, shouldn't we try using it? Even just a little bit?

Why would JESUS/GOD accept the offer of all the Kingdoms of the Earth when he is the owner and creator of the multiverses?

Is Satan this dumb to think JESUS would accept?

NOW to JOB

Job is a fanciful tale that undermines everything Christians would hold true about GOD, when it suits them, and yet they miss it totally.

It undermines the very intelligence of GOD. It undermines totally the Omniscience of GOD, and it undermines the FREE WILL argument people continue to use as an excuse.

According to this silly tale GOD even offers up JOB to Satan. Is this really how you think GOD operates?

Job 1:8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

I thought JESUS was the only perfect person to have lived... OOPS!

But worse according to this silly tale Satan challenges GOD, (tempts GOD), and GOD takes the bait.

Really? GOD can be tempted by the lowly Satan? Are you sure? Re-read James James 1:13 again so that it sinks in.

Job 1:9-12 Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?

Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.

But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.

And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.


GOD and Satan both know GOD is omniscient don’t they?

So all Satan had to do was ask "Will Job fail?" And GOD being omniscient would tell him NO!

BUT also GOD'S omniscience was also forgotten by GOD apparently!

BUT GOD according to the story you believe isn't intelligent enough to do that and accepts Satan's temptation. AMAZING!

Satan is let loose on JOB, by GOD, and goes straight to work.

Job 1: 13-19 One day when Job’s sons and daughters were feasting and drinking wine at the oldest brother’s house, a messenger came to Job and said, “The oxen were plowing and the donkeys were grazing nearby, and the Sabeans attacked and made off with them. They put the servants to the sword, and I am the only one who has escaped to tell you!”

While he was still speaking, another messenger came and said, “The fire of God fell from the heavens and burned up the sheep and the servants, and I am the only one who has escaped to tell you!”

While he was still speaking, another messenger came and said, “The Chaldeans formed three raiding parties and swept down on your camels and made off with them. They put the servants to the sword, and I am the only one who has escaped to tell you!”

While he was still speaking, yet another messenger came and said, “Your sons and daughters were feasting and drinking wine at the oldest brother’s house, when suddenly a mighty wind swept in from the desert and struck the four corners of the house. It collapsed on them and they are dead, and I am the only one who has escaped to tell you!”


OK we know that some sort of free will exists and we all make choices.

BUT where is the FREE WILL in this story? Why did all these innocent people die? They had no say in anything!

If GOD is loving why did these innocents die?

If GOD is omniscient why did he need to test JOB? He knew the outcome any way.

Come on people please start to think… You continually make GOD out to be unintelligent undermining his LOVE and OMNISCIENCE with your belief in these unintelligent stories.

Why do you empower Satan and undermine JESUS and GOD with this rubbish?

Does your loving GOD really operate like this? Doesn't this story make GOD sound pathetic?

These stories are a farce!

GOD IS NOTHING LIKE THIS!

KEEP STUDYING!

ohyeah
 Quoting: Amazed Continually! 1190661


I love a good debate, Amazed!

Regarding the Temptation of Jesus:

I've always thought the Devil is dumb. Obviously he wasn't going to offer kingdoms, bread and the chance for Jesus to test his ability to survive a long fall and expect Jesus of all people to succumb. This is a good example of something a Christian would need to understand better. What exactly was going on here?

The Pawn Known as Job:

This is one of my favorite books in the Bible. Odd, huh? I know. When I first read it, I was shocked. I couldn't believe that God had allowed his faithful servant Job to suffer so much pain. The loss of all his children. Imagine that! I can get the loss of his wealth but his children? That must have hurt like crazy. Why was Job treated like a pawn in a game of chess?

Why do I love this book? First off, I believe that this story was a lesson, a parable but more direct than the ones Jesus told. It is said that this is one of the oldest books of the Bible. It was written much earlier than the others. So what purpose did this story serve? What are the key points (in my opinion).

1. God has regular "cabinet" meetings with His Angels and guess what? Satan attended these. What???? Why???? God doesn't chase him away. In fact, He asks Satan what he has been up to lately?
2. Upon hearing all the bad news, Job thanks God. This is amazing and was also done by King David upon the death of his son.
3. There are 3 religious friends who have their own narrow minded theories about why all this was happening to Job. They mistakenly believe that Job sinned and was being punished for whatever he had done. They refuse to believe Job when he proclaims his innocence.
4. Job's test comes to an end and God restores his wealth and gives him more children. Job proved that he could remain faithful no matter what had happened to him although Job did ask several times why God had forsaken him.

So what's the purpose of this story? To teach us lessons.

Lesson 1: I think it shows us that terrible things can happen and that it could be God's will!!! I know.... Christians love to paint a pretty picture of God. They like to believe that He is somehow not quite the same God as He was in the OT. And that believing otherwise takes away from Him somehow. But to think like that is to ignore facts. God created all things including the Devil. All evil that occurs, God has allowed it. Why? We don't know. It's a chess game between God and the Devil.

If not, God should have crushed the Devil a long time ago.

Lesson 2: Our fellow Christians may not be the best people to depend on seeing as they may not actually have a clue about what they are talking about. Most of the Book has these three people talking and talking and talking. Judging, judging and judging. They claim to know God and how He works but they are clearly wrong. I don't want to be like them.

I am convinced that there are plenty of Jobs (of varying degrees) in this world. I am sure that terrible things happen to people that they did not bring on themselves. The Book of Job is the only book in the Bible that shows us this. This, to me, is its purpose. It explains a lot actually.

As for The Temptation of Jesus, I'm still drawing a blank. Did this actually happen? Is it a metaphor? Was the temptation done in the spirit? Or do we take this literally? No idea yet.
 Quoting: Nefertiti


Yep! I love a good debate... It's just a pity that most of the people who would say they worship GOD aren't in a position to argue. They don't know their Bibles well enough.

I am sure you realise that most of the people who are reading what we are typing have never actually stopped to think about what the Bible actually says.

I especially enjoy people who would call themselves believers calling people like you and me satan, or an antiChrist, or worshipeer of Satan, when through the entire conversation we are the ones defending Jesus and GOD against all the falsehoods.

Those poor lost sheep have obviously never stopped to analyse what they actually believe.

I've been waiting for one to throw the allegory argument at me.

In all my years of attending Church I have never heard a preacher use the word allegory when explaining a story. They always present it as factual, and having actually happened.

Of course the allegory argument opens a nest of worms for believers.

1. Why then aren't Churches teaching it as an allegory, and,

2. The obvious question then is - Well which bits are allegory and which aren't? and

3. If many stories are allegories does that mean by teaching it as fact they are lying to their congregations?

I actually had a preacher say that one story was an allegory to me one day and I asked why Churches weren't teaching that and could he name all the allegories. Boy did he shut up fast and change the discussion after that.

That leads to the next point... Why shouldn't we have open and robust discussion about the Bible? Why are we always told never to question?

Your points on JOB are very good ones. I wonder if the friends of JOB were like us and in time would have been called the names we have been called?

After studying Paul I wonder why women are so keen to believe him. After studying Mosaic law Sharia Law), why would anyone think what Moses said were laws from GOD.

I will defend Jesus and GOD against all of these delusional believers!

It's been a great thread so far. Thanks!

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