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Christians, Why hate Homosexuals? Are you any different?

 
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OK so let’s show people why Christians are deceitful and wrong on homosexuality.

Let’s get rid of the stupid choice argument first.

If homosexuals choose to be homosexuals then you must have chosen to be heterosexual. I knew I was heterosexual from the first time I was attracted to females. I was never attracted to males! But you can’t use that argument because deep down you believe homosexuality is a choice.

So, seeing you hold the choice argument true - Please describe in detail what you did to choose to be heterosexual? Did you test drive someone of your own gender? Do you still have these feelings but suppress them to be heterosexual? Have you told your wife?

So lesson 1 is heterosexuals and homosexuals don’t choose their sexuality. And if they don’t choose it - it is natural! The only people who may have a choice are bi-sexual people.

Now let’s get onto the oppression that Christians use against homosexuals.

Whilst thinking let me remind you of a couple of relevant quotes from Jesus for you to keep in the back of your minds, if your minds are up to that much pressure. 1rof1

Matthew 20:16 So the last will be first, and the first last. For many are called, but few chosen.

I put this first because you should beware… Your arguments here might just be the straw that puts you into the fiery lakes that you are all so keen to threaten on others.

So in your criticisms of homosexuality you are breaking two key foundational teachings of Jesus

Matthew 7:1-5 "Judge not, that ye be not judged....."

John 8:7 "…let he who has not sinned cast the first stone…."

Delude yourselves if you wish, BUT, you are breaking these two explicit instructions. That is of course, unless you are perfect, and haven’t sinned.

No I didn't think so!

So have any of you not sinned? Can you say in your heart of hearts you never judged?

Haven’t you just failed Christianity 101?


Now to the bits in the Bible that people quote at homosexuals, and why you should be very careful.

I know Moses was a mass murderer who practiced all manner of evils against others, justifying it as “from GOD”, but GOD doesn't condone infanticide, mass murder, war crimes, rape, slavery and other atrocities does he?

Be careful of your answer here. If you believe Moses was following GOD's instructions then you are calling GOD a mass murderering, scumbag.

Now to Moses' rubbish laws on this subject.

Leviticus 18:22: "You shall not lie with a male as those who lie with a female; it is an abomination."

Leviticus 20:13: "If a man lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination and they shall surely be put to death."

These might be fine if it wasn't for the other crazy laws of MOSES. Like this one

Deuteronomy 22:20-21 2 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:

Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.


Stoning a woman who doesn't bleed on her wedding night? Come on now, this is crazy. This means GOD knows nothing about the woman's body, he designed. A woman's hymen can break for many reasons, other than sex. Is GOD this dumb?

Do you really believe GOD is this unintelligent!

Are you accepting he designs a woman and doesn't understand the physiology? Are you believers this dumb?

But also if you choose to believe and oppress homosexuals because of these passages why aren't you checking female's bed sheets and punishing them still? Why aren't you keeping slaves, killing witches etc.?

These things are too stupid for a loving GOD to accept...

I could list many other rules by Moses that couldn’t have come from GOD, but these is enough for now.

Now people also quote JESUS where he says

Matthew 15:18-19 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:


Done any of these?

Come on even the best of us have done this

Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Anyone here still not sinned? 1rof1

For you to start ranting on homosexuality… you are judging. WARNING! Do not judge.

For you to waffle on about their sin you are pretending to be without sin. How can you be so hypocritical? How dare you cast the first stone?

BUT here is the verse that your hatred of homosexuality and the oppression of these people really destroys.

John 13:34 "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another"

Why can’t you be honest?… You hate homosexuals!... Don't you? If you believe homosexuality is a sin, you look at their sin as worse than your own. Don't you?

Honesty is still a Christian trait isn’t it?

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promiscuity, irresponsibility and excess have consequences for any practitioner.
Love and sex are two different things, and your pretending they are inexorably linked doesnt make it so.
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That goes for both sides though......who are we exactly to judge a couple that loves each other and desires sex? It should not be an issue, gay or not.
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oh Please, dont bother trying to associate transient gay lusts for love. I know more about your kind than you think.
Transient hookups dont count as love, bathhouses and public toilets dont count as love. This is no different between gays and straights, its just most straights eventually grow up, and gays stay little boys until they die, usually unloved and alone.
Love, as intended is rare enough among straights, and relatively nonexistant among the immature emotional state that gays have, basically imagining that their desire and lust is real love.
When living in an arrested narcissist state, love isnt involved, at least not mature, enduring, forgiving and sacrificing love that's needed for proper child rearing.
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You are so biased it's unbelievable...just cause you don't see strong gay relationships doesn't mean they don't exist. Get over yourself dude, there's a lot more to life than what you see in your corner of it.
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True, I'm biased against irresponsibility. You nailed it, shaweethaat.
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I only read the title and won't read the rest of this thread.

just

because

it is not true that Christians hate homosexuals

we [Christians] are against homosexuality

in case you do not know the difference yet,

get educated first

before you speak in public.
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FAGS FUCK FECES!!!!

WHATS NOT to hate about THAT?
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So do the majority of heteros.
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Yeah..and its fucking SICK.

But fags do it EXCLUSIVLEY!

When a hetero does it..they are being kinky..doing something "Taboo"..

So how much sicker does it become when its done ALL the time on the SAME sex?
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You tell us. 34,4% more sick? .. 180% ? 1000%!?!

I mean..where is the sexual thrill of fucking the shit inside another mans..most probably aids infested shit filled asshole?
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You need to ask that someone who does that, really. Or maybe just go and try it yourself, if it keeps you awake in the night?

And these sicko fucks claim they are BORN to fuck shit??
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Most humans can't fuck a shit (pun intended) before reaching around 12-15 years of age.. It's called puberty, check some encyclopedia to gain some insight into the issue.

For gay people, from what I have learned, it goes quite a lot like with straight people:

People discover their genitals, start to play with them and learn how to masturbate. (I know.. it's forbidden and sodomy and whatnot. But it's just so hard to maintain a population if you just stone to death or burn alive every boy or girl who masturbates and does the sin of Onan. You hardly have anyone alive to be married when they reach 18 years olf old.)

Then there is this interest to some person, this "getting to know you" thing.. hugging.. touching and keeping hands.. all that awesome shit. (well, some people just get drunk, go go bar and get straight to the "action", but.. for the younger ones..)

Then some people dare to kiss some naked skin, besides some SICK KISSING ON THE MOUTH and some EVEN MORE SICK KISSING INSIDE THE MOUTH.. with TONGUE and all.. yack.. some AIDS infested, bacteria ridden disgusting MOUTH .. which should be used for breathing, eating, drinking and spitting ONLY!

Then there is this petting thing.. inside and outside the pants and bras and whatnot.

Awyways.. then there might become some disgusting and filthy kissing of naked skin of the rest of the body. Licking some bacteria ridden, sweaty, stinky and dead cell filled, rotten skin.. God forbid..

After that some go for handjob.. putting your hands to that place where only ONE THING should go.. I cannot even talk about it.. so utterly horrible it is. Penis.. or Vagina.. ohh.. the agony..

After some "practice" some people might get into dildos and leather and role playing and erotic massages and God knows what other filthy things to have some FUN and PLEASURE.

I once even heard about a sodomite who used his FINGERS to pleasure a woman instead of his God given penis, which apparently failed and ejaculated too soon.. that poor sodomite. I hope they at least stoned him to death gently..

GET FUCKING REAL!
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Can't get much more real than that, really. Unless you actually go and google some stuff or - even better - get a real friends and ask about them what they do to enjoy sex. You might get surprised thou, better be close to some ER in case it's too much for you to handle.

They are mentally and pshycotically diseased sick fucks that should be shot on fucking sight.
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Which ones you meant, already forgot? The ones who did oral, dildos, fingers.. or all of them? Besides those couples who do it the NATURAL AND ONLY RIGHT WAY (missionary style, under the sheets, in a dark bedroom after 22 o'clock) but still fail to deliver a baby after each and every ejaculation - not to talk about straight men who cannot ejaculate properly or have some other sexual problems?
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AC 3963, you're funny. But great points. Let someone go back to the Bible and see what is acceptable and what is not. So many things heteros do are not acceptable behaviour!
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This is where politicians and the liberal progressive agenda are incorrect. Homosexuality is not a human rights issue, it is a morality issue.
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Many people are speaking out because more gay people are coming out. That's just my opnion. In the past, it seemed being gay was a rare thing and so most people had never met or known a gay person.

My turning point was finding out two friends of mine (guys) were a couple. I was a serious anti-gay person before that. Since I got to know them as people before finding out they were gay, it was impossible for me not to realize that something wasn't right with my beliefs.
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I think when it comes to spiritual beliefs the easiest way to tell if something is beneficial or not is to ask if it is loving. In this case, it'd be is it loving or something you'd expect of a God supposed to be better than you are, to outcast someone simply because they love someone of the same sex and wish to be with them. If it's not, then it can't be something of God if God is supposed to be loving.
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It wasn't about my spiritual beliefs. I knew then as I know now that hating people is wrong. You hate the sin. But I was vehemently anti-gay. Wouldn't even waste a second considering the alternative.

I think the more people know gay people as individuals, the more they will change their hardcore stance. It won't change how they feel about the sexual acts. Personally, I really don't get it. But I also have been told by my friends that they find heterosexual sex disgusting. Really? That shocked me. Knowing my friends the way I do, they aren't lying. Why choose such a lifestyle in such a hostile society? For them, it wasn't a choice.

Do they believe in God? Yes, absolutely. Are they torn up by the fact that Christianity doesn't accept homosexuality? Very much. Am I a good Christian if I am still kind and loving towards gay people? I think yes. Does it bother me that this is a sin which it seems is hard to simply repent and stop committing? Absolutely. It also bothers me that any of my children could turn out to be gay. I don't want that for them and would move mountains to stop it. But if one of them did, what would I do? Would I stop loving them? Would I be comfortable in a church where my child can't fit in when I know that so many other members including myself are committing sins regularly?

So many questions....very few answers.
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I got one for you........how do you know what sin is? How do you know sin in the form you know it to be even exists? Did God itself directly come down and tell you that or did man?

Who is defining it? And is it loving to be taught that things that don't harm anyone else are to be seen as such?
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How do I know what is a sin? The Bible is clear on that. The Ten Commandments outline what not to do, therefore those acts are sins. In the case of homosexuality, both the Old and New Testament have very specific and clear verses concerning this.

Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

Now if I choose not to believe in the Bible, then the verses above don't matter. But I do, as a Christian. So they do matter. Did God come down and talk to me about this? No, he didn't.

Who defines sin? The Bible does. Is it fair to homosexuals? That, I think, is the question that the High Order Churches (Catholic, Anglican, Orthodox, etc) are grappling with. How should they treat the verses above plus the others in the Bible that clearly condemn homosexuality. Should they view them as outdated? Were they possibly written for a particular audience in a particular time?

Even to the most loving Christian, homosexuality is a very complicated subject. A thief when they repent, also agrees to stop stealing. An adulterer must also agree to stop poaching on another's spouse. A murderer must stop killing. But as you rightly pointed out, those are sins that negatively and directly harm someone else. Is homosexuality the same? Should the sin of homosexuality be at par with theft, murder, adultery?

I have my views of course but this is getting long.
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Starting a thread, based on and perpetuating a lie, disqualifies anything else you have to say on the matter. Try being honest with people, for once.
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I think when it comes to spiritual beliefs the easiest way to tell if something is beneficial or not is to ask if it is loving. In this case, it'd be is it loving or something you'd expect of a God supposed to be better than you are, to outcast someone simply because they love someone of the same sex and wish to be with them. If it's not, then it can't be something of God if God is supposed to be loving.
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It wasn't about my spiritual beliefs. I knew then as I know now that hating people is wrong. You hate the sin. But I was vehemently anti-gay. Wouldn't even waste a second considering the alternative.

I think the more people know gay people as individuals, the more they will change their hardcore stance. It won't change how they feel about the sexual acts. Personally, I really don't get it. But I also have been told by my friends that they find heterosexual sex disgusting. Really? That shocked me. Knowing my friends the way I do, they aren't lying. Why choose such a lifestyle in such a hostile society? For them, it wasn't a choice.

Do they believe in God? Yes, absolutely. Are they torn up by the fact that Christianity doesn't accept homosexuality? Very much. Am I a good Christian if I am still kind and loving towards gay people? I think yes. Does it bother me that this is a sin which it seems is hard to simply repent and stop committing? Absolutely. It also bothers me that any of my children could turn out to be gay. I don't want that for them and would move mountains to stop it. But if one of them did, what would I do? Would I stop loving them? Would I be comfortable in a church where my child can't fit in when I know that so many other members including myself are committing sins regularly?

So many questions....very few answers.
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I got one for you........how do you know what sin is? How do you know sin in the form you know it to be even exists? Did God itself directly come down and tell you that or did man?

Who is defining it? And is it loving to be taught that things that don't harm anyone else are to be seen as such?
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How do I know what is a sin? The Bible is clear on that. The Ten Commandments outline what not to do, therefore those acts are sins. In the case of homosexuality, both the Old and New Testament have very specific and clear verses concerning this.

Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

Now if I choose not to believe in the Bible, then the verses above don't matter. But I do, as a Christian. So they do matter. Did God come down and talk to me about this? No, he didn't.

Who defines sin? The Bible does. Is it fair to homosexuals? That, I think, is the question that the High Order Churches (Catholic, Anglican, Orthodox, etc) are grappling with. How should they treat the verses above plus the others in the Bible that clearly condemn homosexuality. Should they view them as outdated? Were they possibly written for a particular audience in a particular time?

Even to the most loving Christian, homosexuality is a very complicated subject. A thief when they repent, also agrees to stop stealing. An adulterer must also agree to stop poaching on another's spouse. A murderer must stop killing. But as you rightly pointed out, those are sins that negatively and directly harm someone else. Is homosexuality the same? Should the sin of homosexuality be at par with theft, murder, adultery?

I have my views of course but this is getting long.
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My whole point in asking that was just to illustrate that man is who defines what is sin, it's not God that does it. How can we really know what God thinks? How do we know what we are being told is true?
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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Yes, genuine christian heteros do not engage in these acts, if they have in the past due to the relentless promotion in the lamestream media, they should have repented and turned away from them, otherwise they are like a dog returning to it's vomit. These acts are condemmed.
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Okay. I have understood your position. Tell me, which verses in particular refer to anal and oral sex?
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True Christians don't hate anyone! We are to love the person, but hate the sin. That's includes all sin, not just homosexuality
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I think when it comes to spiritual beliefs the easiest way to tell if something is beneficial or not is to ask if it is loving. In this case, it'd be is it loving or something you'd expect of a God supposed to be better than you are, to outcast someone simply because they love someone of the same sex and wish to be with them. If it's not, then it can't be something of God if God is supposed to be loving.
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It wasn't about my spiritual beliefs. I knew then as I know now that hating people is wrong. You hate the sin. But I was vehemently anti-gay. Wouldn't even waste a second considering the alternative.

I think the more people know gay people as individuals, the more they will change their hardcore stance. It won't change how they feel about the sexual acts. Personally, I really don't get it. But I also have been told by my friends that they find heterosexual sex disgusting. Really? That shocked me. Knowing my friends the way I do, they aren't lying. Why choose such a lifestyle in such a hostile society? For them, it wasn't a choice.

Do they believe in God? Yes, absolutely. Are they torn up by the fact that Christianity doesn't accept homosexuality? Very much. Am I a good Christian if I am still kind and loving towards gay people? I think yes. Does it bother me that this is a sin which it seems is hard to simply repent and stop committing? Absolutely. It also bothers me that any of my children could turn out to be gay. I don't want that for them and would move mountains to stop it. But if one of them did, what would I do? Would I stop loving them? Would I be comfortable in a church where my child can't fit in when I know that so many other members including myself are committing sins regularly?

So many questions....very few answers.
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I got one for you........how do you know what sin is? How do you know sin in the form you know it to be even exists? Did God itself directly come down and tell you that or did man?

Who is defining it? And is it loving to be taught that things that don't harm anyone else are to be seen as such?
 Quoting: ajk


How do I know what is a sin? The Bible is clear on that. The Ten Commandments outline what not to do, therefore those acts are sins. In the case of homosexuality, both the Old and New Testament have very specific and clear verses concerning this.

Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

Now if I choose not to believe in the Bible, then the verses above don't matter. But I do, as a Christian. So they do matter. Did God come down and talk to me about this? No, he didn't.

Who defines sin? The Bible does. Is it fair to homosexuals? That, I think, is the question that the High Order Churches (Catholic, Anglican, Orthodox, etc) are grappling with. How should they treat the verses above plus the others in the Bible that clearly condemn homosexuality. Should they view them as outdated? Were they possibly written for a particular audience in a particular time?

Even to the most loving Christian, homosexuality is a very complicated subject. A thief when they repent, also agrees to stop stealing. An adulterer must also agree to stop poaching on another's spouse. A murderer must stop killing. But as you rightly pointed out, those are sins that negatively and directly harm someone else. Is homosexuality the same? Should the sin of homosexuality be at par with theft, murder, adultery?

I have my views of course but this is getting long.
 Quoting: Nefertiti


Sorry OP ... Did you say you believe in the Bible?

Really? I thought you were supposed to believe in GOD?

Then you quote Paul, when it suits you...

What about oppressing women again, then?

Paul orders it!

Here read my posts on this thread.

Thread: Was Paul - aka Saul of Tarsus - a False Apostle? (Page 13)

Do you really believe in the BIBLE?

hf
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Homosexuals infringe on the majority to destroy democracy and are part of a larger Marxist agenda.
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Marxist? Please explain.
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Pretty simple
gays have a totally different set of priorities that are in direct opposition to straight life and societies perpetuation

They dont have a need for schools other than as a source of young lovers
they dont have concerns for saving for a future generation, they live in the right now and fear the future,
They have no need for limits and rules, their private practices are focused especially on breaking them, often intentionally in front of others with no interest in being involved, ie they have a cultural need for outraging breeders.
They have no reason to conserve, they worship consumption and luxury to extremes and risks to themselves and others.
They have no need for religions of any sort, because they cant abide restrictions for their kinks are all about intentionally ignoring them,
And in the end, since they gene rate no family to support them in their old age, they seek to subvert govt benefits designed to support FAMILIES who've supported and sacrificed to perpetuate society, into providing cash and benefits first and foremost for gays which have provided nothing for their own support and tend to disable themselves and infect themselves at a disproportionate rate compared to straights.


They may nob be intentionally evil, but they are poison and cancer to the longevity of any civilization, and have never been granted equal rights in any pagan or christian culture.
Its one thing to be born gay, and another to act out as gay.
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OMG! I don't think I've ever heard anything like this before. It's almost like you're describing a psychological disease!
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I don't need to read your expose... You're gay -- good for you... now go away. I've turned homophobic after what your mafia has done to my country for the last 60 years... (am I wrong)? No.
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I'm not gay.

What have the gays done to the US?
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when humans pervert laws of nature there are consequences!!

and

P.S. the majority of christians believe the eternal laws were abolished so yes, Christians pervert it TOO!!

and that is our downfall ....the laws were given for health and prosperity ....

if we followed the eternal laws/laws of nature we would prosper
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Okay. So which eternal law was perverted in the US and how did it harm the country?
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They may nob be intentionally evil, but they are poison and cancer to the longevity of any civilization, and have never been granted equal rights in any pagan or christian culture.
Its one thing to be born gay, and another to act out as gay.
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so you're basically telling them they can't be who they are......yeah that's loving isn't it? What if someone said to you you couldn't act on your heterosexual desires, would you like that much? Somehow I don't think so......
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promiscuity, irresponsibility and excess have consequences for any practitioner.
Love and sex are two different things, and your pretending they are inexorably linked doesnt make it so.
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That goes for both sides though......who are we exactly to judge a couple that loves each other and desires sex? It should not be an issue, gay or not.
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Christians aren't making the issue . Gays are by * well you know why or you can ask the boy scouts
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Re: Christians, Why hate Homosexuals? Are you any different?
I agree Japan, they can do their thing, I do not care, but I do care when it is paraded on national tv like they are heroes. People need positive role models these days. Where is the news coverage for this!
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Re: Christians, Why hate Homosexuals? Are you any different?
I am a believer and personally do not know any Christians who espouse hatred for gays .
There is a gay person that I am quite fond of , he is a great guy .
It gets challenging inside for me because I do resent the way it is being shoved down our throats and it is unnatural for a society and will eventually be a factor in its demise as in the past .
The Bible has some strong words against homosexuality as well as other sins.
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It is fast becoming a challenge for a lot of Christians. In my country, we are being bombarded left, right and centre. I feel like we are all being forced to take a stand between two extremes. Either hate gays and deny them all rights, or accept gays as well as same sex marriage, adoption, etc.
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Re: Christians, Why hate Homosexuals? Are you any different?
True Christians don't hate anyone! We are to love the person, but hate the sin. That's includes all sin, not just homosexuality
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True.

I'm a Christian and like others have absolutely No hate or hard feelings against homosexuals because of their illness. I Do hate how they bully everyone else. Aka redefining agrriage, boy scouts, and the rest of that Crap.
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Boy Scouts. Yes, what exactly is going on with Boy Scouts? They are Boys so why the need to discuss orientation? Someone please fill me in.


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so you're basically telling them they can't be who they are......yeah that's loving isn't it? What if someone said to you you couldn't act on your heterosexual desires, would you like that much? Somehow I don't think so......
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promiscuity, irresponsibility and excess have consequences for any practitioner.
Love and sex are two different things, and your pretending they are inexorably linked doesnt make it so.
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That goes for both sides though......who are we exactly to judge a couple that loves each other and desires sex? It should not be an issue, gay or not.
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oh Please, dont bother trying to associate transient gay lusts for love. I know more about your kind than you think.
Transient hookups dont count as love, bathhouses and public toilets dont count as love. This is no different between gays and straights, its just most straights eventually grow up, and gays stay little boys until they die, usually unloved and alone.
Love, as intended is rare enough among straights, and relatively nonexistant among the immature emotional state that gays have, basically imagining that their desire and lust is real love.
When living in an arrested narcissist state, love isnt involved, at least not mature, enduring, forgiving and sacrificing love that's needed for proper child rearing.
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AC 4695, you state things like you are absolutely sure. How can you claim that gay people are incapable of loving each other? That's what you're saying, isn't it? Also that to be gay is to be immature?

Where are you coming from with this? Do you know any gay people?
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Re: Christians, Why hate Homosexuals? Are you any different?
I'm a Christian and I don't hate anyone. I don't agree with the gay lifestyle and I'm really against anyone teaching my kids at school about LGBT issues. I think kids are confused enough about sexuality considering the culture we live in today and now the schools want to throw even more at them at younger and younger ages. Leave my kids alone and I will teach them tolerance and respect for all human beings even if i disagree with something.
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Re: Christians, Why hate Homosexuals? Are you any different?
OK so let’s show people why Christians are deceitful and wrong on homosexuality.

Let’s get rid of the stupid choice argument first.

If homosexuals choose to be homosexuals then you must have chosen to be heterosexual. I knew I was heterosexual from the first time I was attracted to females. I was never attracted to males! But you can’t use that argument because deep down you believe homosexuality is a choice.

So, seeing you hold the choice argument true - Please describe in detail what you did to choose to be heterosexual? Did you test drive someone of your own gender? Do you still have these feelings but suppress them to be heterosexual? Have you told your wife?

So lesson 1 is heterosexuals and homosexuals don’t choose their sexuality. And if they don’t choose it - it is natural! The only people who may have a choice are bi-sexual people.

Now let’s get onto the oppression that Christians use against homosexuals.

Whilst thinking let me remind you of a couple of relevant quotes from Jesus for you to keep in the back of your minds, if your minds are up to that much pressure. 1rof1

Matthew 20:16 So the last will be first, and the first last. For many are called, but few chosen.

I put this first because you should beware… Your arguments here might just be the straw that puts you into the fiery lakes that you are all so keen to threaten on others.

So in your criticisms of homosexuality you are breaking two key foundational teachings of Jesus

Matthew 7:1-5 "Judge not, that ye be not judged....."

John 8:7 "…let he who has not sinned cast the first stone…."

Delude yourselves if you wish, BUT, you are breaking these two explicit instructions. That is of course, unless you are perfect, and haven’t sinned.

No I didn't think so!

So have any of you not sinned? Can you say in your heart of hearts you never judged?

Haven’t you just failed Christianity 101?


Now to the bits in the Bible that people quote at homosexuals, and why you should be very careful.

I know Moses was a mass murderer who practiced all manner of evils against others, justifying it as “from GOD”, but GOD doesn't condone infanticide, mass murder, war crimes, rape, slavery and other atrocities does he?

Be careful of your answer here. If you believe Moses was following GOD's instructions then you are calling GOD a mass murderering, scumbag.

Now to Moses' rubbish laws on this subject.

Leviticus 18:22: "You shall not lie with a male as those who lie with a female; it is an abomination."

Leviticus 20:13: "If a man lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination and they shall surely be put to death."

These might be fine if it wasn't for the other crazy laws of MOSES. Like this one

Deuteronomy 22:20-21 2 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:

Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.


Stoning a woman who doesn't bleed on her wedding night? Come on now, this is crazy. This means GOD knows nothing about the woman's body, he designed. A woman's hymen can break for many reasons, other than sex. Is GOD this dumb?

Do you really believe GOD is this unintelligent!

Are you accepting he designs a woman and doesn't understand the physiology? Are you believers this dumb?

But also if you choose to believe and oppress homosexuals because of these passages why aren't you checking female's bed sheets and punishing them still? Why aren't you keeping slaves, killing witches etc.?

These things are too stupid for a loving GOD to accept...

I could list many other rules by Moses that couldn’t have come from GOD, but these is enough for now.

Now people also quote JESUS where he says

Matthew 15:18-19 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:


Done any of these?

Come on even the best of us have done this

Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Anyone here still not sinned? 1rof1

For you to start ranting on homosexuality… you are judging. WARNING! Do not judge.

For you to waffle on about their sin you are pretending to be without sin. How can you be so hypocritical? How dare you cast the first stone?

BUT here is the verse that your hatred of homosexuality and the oppression of these people really destroys.

John 13:34 "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another"

Why can’t you be honest?… You hate homosexuals!... Don't you? If you believe homosexuality is a sin, you look at their sin as worse than your own. Don't you?

Honesty is still a Christian trait isn’t it?

1rof1
 Quoting: Amazed Continually! 1190661


So many Christians hate homosexuals, that's a fact. I have met so many of them. Most of them are incapable of articulating their reasons.

Amazed, do you know the bad thing about quoting the Bible? One can find anything to justify one's point of view. Earlier I responded to a poster with the first Leviticus quote. If this subject were only handled in the OT, it would have been easier (for certain reasons) to say it was outmoded. Kind of like the rest of Leviticus which says we are not to eat shellfish, nor meat that hasn't been slaughtered in a certain way. You know, Old Jewish customs.

There are also NT verses. Jesus himself didn't comment on homosexuality as far as I know. In fact he advocated loving people as you want to be loved. But Paul... Yes, Paul was clear. There is an argument though that Paul having been a Pharisee, still thought in terms of Mosaic Law. If true, this would mean that he was still speaking in context of Jewish Customs.

I can see you know your Bible. I think the Church must deal with this issue decisively from a doctrinal point of view. For example, Paul also told women to cover their heads and sit separately from men. Christians don't. At least none that I know of. The Church is at the forefront of the anti-gay movement. Yes, it's the lower order churches mostly but in Africa, the High Order Churches have completely refused to allow not only gay clergy (which I think is their right) but have also now stepped into gay rights in the State. Seeing as many people in Africa are Christians, the Church's position is of paramount importance. For those who don't believe, I guess it may be easier to come to a decision.

So if Christians are deceitful on the issue of homosexuality, is Christian Doctrine also being deceitful?
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Reply to SC 1969693:

The boy scouts is a privately owned organization.
There have been many gays on the scouts my eagle gay eagle scout among them. And the Only ones making an issue are those thinking they are Special Bullying this Privately Owned organization into changing. We see it Every day if there is no issue then why make it one?
It's. First ammendment right to refuse service to Anyone and Christian or not this gay agenda is getting on most peoples .last nerve.
Leave is alone aka Stop yer Bullying and we will do likewise and we can all het along
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Reply to SC 1969693:

The boy scouts is a privately owned organization.
There have been many gays on the scouts my eagle gay eagle scout among them. And the Only ones making an issue are those thinking they are Special Bullying this Privately Owned organization into changing. We see it Every day if there is no issue then why make it one?
It's. First ammendment right to refuse service to Anyone and Christian or not this gay agenda is getting on most peoples .last nerve.
Leave is alone aka Stop yer Bullying and we will do likewise and we can all het along
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Reply to SC 1969693:

The boy scouts is a privately owned organization.
There have been many gays on the scouts my eagle gay eagle scout among them. And the Only ones making an issue are those thinking they are Special Bullying this Privately Owned organization into changing. We see it Every day if there is no issue then why make it one?
It's. First ammendment right to refuse service to Anyone and Christian or not this gay agenda is getting on most peoples .last nerve.
Leave is alone aka Stop yer Bullying and we will do likewise and we can all het along
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Sorry about the double post; I'm on my phone and sometimes it does that
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Re: Christians, Why hate Homosexuals? Are you any different?
This is where politicians and the liberal progressive agenda are incorrect. Homosexuality is not a human rights issue, it is a morality issue.
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It is most definitely a human rights issue as well. If not, the pro-gay movement wouldn't be fighting for laws to allow legal adoption, legal marriage, etc. if it were simply a morality issue, religious leaders seem pretty much agreed on which stance to take.
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Re: Christians, Why hate Homosexuals? Are you any different?
Starting a thread, based on and perpetuating a lie, disqualifies anything else you have to say on the matter. Try being honest with people, for once.
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Re: Christians, Why hate Homosexuals? Are you any different?
My whole point in asking that was just to illustrate that man is who defines what is sin, it's not God that does it. How can we really know what God thinks? How do we know what we are being told is true?
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See that's a whole other topic. Are you a Christian?

Don't answer if you don't want to. The basic premise of being a Christian is, as you know, accepting Jesus came to save you. It also means believing that the Bible is the holy inspired Word of God. As I said earlier, if one doesn't believe this about the Bible, then using Christian doctrine in the argument over gay rights is irrelevant.
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Re: Christians, Why hate Homosexuals? Are you any different?
As a Christians I do hate the sin.
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Re: Christians, Why hate Homosexuals? Are you any different?
Christians discriminate against homosexuals because they need someone to oppress.

They don't know their BIBLES well enough to know that it is totally wrong to oppress anyone.

They love throwing the guilt trip on homosexuals because it makes them feel superior.

They pick and choose anything that suits their bigotry.

Sad but true!

hf
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seems to me gays are quite welcome in any church...

:)
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Anal Sex: A Dangerous Trend

Anal sex has historically been taboo in many cultures. However, numerous studies show that the practice of anal sex is on the rise. Why has there been a rise in this risky alternate sexual practice? We live in a sexualized culture which teaches that sexual experimentation is one of the best ways to achieve sexual satisfaction. Dr. Debby Herbenick argues in her book, Good in Bed Guide to Anal Pleasuring, that anal sex “is a way to explore and act out new fantasies with [your] lover.”[1] However, this common justification of anal sex is faulty and superficial because it is very damaging to your health and quite possibly life threatening.

Let’s check out a few of the major risks:

General health risks:

Unlike the vagina, the tissues of the anus are not stretchy. This means that the anus can easily tear, which puts the receiving partner in danger of anal abscesses, hemorrhoids, or fissures (a very large tear).
Anal sex can weaken your muscles down there, which makes it hard to hold feces.
The anus is full of bacteria. Consequently, the giving partner is especially prone to infections.
Pregnancy:

You cannot get pregnant from the act alone. However, semen could still leak into the vagina and impregnate the woman.
STDs:

The fragile nature of the anal tissue makes it easier for STDs to enter into the bloodstream.
Unprotected anal sex is one of the primary ways in which HIV is spread. If you don’t already know, HIV (Human Immunodeficiency Virus) can eventually lead to AIDS!
Recent studies have linked anal sex to anal cancer. HPV (Human Papillomavirus) is closely associated with anal cancer, which is frequently spread through anal sex.
The use of a latex condom certainly lowers the chances of contracting an STD. However, even perfect condom use does not completely eliminate the risk of STDs. In fact, the condom is more susceptible to leakage, breakage, and slippage during anal intercourse.
Anal sex is clearly a dangerous form of sexual activity. It may be tempting to engage in anal sex with the notion that it does not affect one’s virginal status in the traditional meaning of the term virgin (ie someone who has not had penile-vaginal intercourse); however, ANAL SEX IS SEX. Therefore, you still face all of the detrimental emotional and health consequences of having sex outside of a lifelong, monogamous relationship with an uninfected partner.

[1] Debby Herbenick, Good in Bed Guide to Anal Pleasuring (New York City: Good in Bed, 2011), 11.

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Re: Christians, Why hate Homosexuals? Are you any different?
No offence to people who do what they do. Do what you like in the privacy of your own place...............If it don't hurt you then enjoy the experience....But me being of somewhat of a mechanical mind I would only have one thing to add to this discussion.........

Things are designed for a reason. There are one way valves, and there are receptive valves............

Some things are meant to fit certain things. Most things work as nature intended. Nature and the natural order of things are just they way they are.....

I;m trying to not be offensive here but I will state what I have come to notice................

Babies wear nappies............Men do not...

Once A man, twice a child, does have nothing to do with societal mechanics.
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I appreciate your neutral tone and approach-- but homosexuality runs rampant in nature as well friend. in fact, if it is of this plane, it is indeed falling under the definition of "natural". even 40% of animal populations consume what is in fact alcohol fermenting in the land, just the same as 40% of the human population likes to booze. there's really no missing link here,
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Don't hate Love all!
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