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Christians, Why hate Homosexuals? Are you any different?

 
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My country has been in the news for wanting to kill homosexuals. The facts are:

1) A single Member of Parliament drafted a Private Member's Bill that called for all manner of things against homosexuals. It isn't a government position.

2) Most Ugandans could care less about this Bill or about who is homosexual since it doesn't affect their daily lives.

3) A certain group of homosexual organizations have taken it upon themselves to "educate" children here about the what, how and why of homosexuality. In response, certain Christian groups and parents have launched a counter campaign.

I'm hetero. I have a couple of homosexual friends. I don't really like to think about what they do and I'm not comfortable with tv series where men kiss men. Being a woman, I'm repelled by the idea that a woman will hit on me. So personally, I wouldn't tell my kids that homosexuality is an option.

Does that mean we should discriminate against them? Should we be bullying them? Are they morally bankrupt compared to heteros? I don't think so. Most rape, pedophelia and deviant non consensual sex is committed by heterosexuals. So if someone is gay or lesbian, it doesn't mean that they are automatically deviant. Judging by some people's hatred, you would think they have never met a gay man or lesbian. If you know any, you'd find that they are human beings like the rest of us. In fact, if you found your son is gay, you'd quickly discover that this is more complicated than simply labeling them deviant.

The only thing that points to homosexuality as being immoral is Religion. But it also states a number of things that are immoral but that we "allow" to happen. Adultery, fornication, lust, envy....you name it. Where do we get off "hating" homosexuals? How do we justify giving this "sin" more weight than the others? If the wages of sin...is death, then we are all doomed, homosexual or not. We are all sinners. How are we different from homosexuals?
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Don't hate them. Tired of their agenda shoved into our faces and shoved down our throats. We have rights too. And it is not to be harassed by people demanding we change our values to theirs. THEY are the perverts.

If they would keep their mouths shut and go on quietly about their lives, no one would care. BUT NO.. It is a life or death agenda with them. They cause their own backlash.
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Ajk,

I'm sorry to hear that you renounced Christianity. When I was in my early teens, my church performed a drama. It was about judgement day and what happens. In one of the scenes, a former Christian is being judged. When asked why she left the Church, she complained about hypocrites. She said Church was full of hypocrites and she just couldn't stand it. When asked why she stopped believing in God, she said again, hypocrites. Since she didn't want to be associated with so many hypocrites, she decided she wouldn't believe in what they believed. Well, she was sent to Hell. At Hell's Gate, the Devil met her. In his welcome speech, he boasted about how he looooved hypocrites. It is the damn hypocrites that keep converting more and more Christians to the Devil's side.

Haha...just remembered that. I think I decided at the time that nothing would stop me from believing. Because of that, I am now able to discern what is nonsensical, research that which I do not understand and gain knowledge. In my quest, I've discovered many things about the Church that are pure fiction and hypocritical. Even about texts in the Bible, when taken literally. But I have also come to really love and respect the man Jesus a lot more. I have also come through my own life experiences to know not only that God exists but that if I search hard enough, I will find Him.

You search. If you don't understand, keep searching. Don't let anybody take away your faith.
 Quoting: Nefertiti


Oh I still believe in God I just came to realize the God of Christianity and of the Bible isn't the real one. God in reality is bigger than to be limited to one belief system and book, and also more loving as well. So my faith didn't go away, just where I placed it.
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So did you create GOD in your Image?

Where did you find the proof of the GOD you believe in Ajk?

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I'm not gonna engage someone who is just gonna belittle. Won't waste things on that which who doesn't really wanna hear it.
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Wasn't going to belittle you....
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Oh I still believe in God I just came to realize the God of Christianity and of the Bible isn't the real one. God in reality is bigger than to be limited to one belief system and book, and also more loving as well. So my faith didn't go away, just where I placed it.
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So did you create GOD in your Image?

Where did you find the proof of the GOD you believe in Ajk?

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I'm not gonna engage someone who is just gonna belittle. Won't waste things on that which who doesn't really wanna hear it.
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Wasn't going to belittle you....
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No? Look I know what you believe, and I know you are very opposed to what I believe, so I don't see much point in having a pissing match in effect.
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

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My country has been in the news for wanting to kill homosexuals. The facts are:

1) A single Member of Parliament drafted a Private Member's Bill that called for all manner of things against homosexuals. It isn't a government position.

2) Most Ugandans could care less about this Bill or about who is homosexual since it doesn't affect their daily lives.

3) A certain group of homosexual organizations have taken it upon themselves to "educate" children here about the what, how and why of homosexuality. In response, certain Christian groups and parents have launched a counter campaign.

I'm hetero. I have a couple of homosexual friends. I don't really like to think about what they do and I'm not comfortable with tv series where men kiss men. Being a woman, I'm repelled by the idea that a woman will hit on me. So personally, I wouldn't tell my kids that homosexuality is an option.

Does that mean we should discriminate against them? Should we be bullying them? Are they morally bankrupt compared to heteros? I don't think so. Most rape, pedophelia and deviant non consensual sex is committed by heterosexuals. So if someone is gay or lesbian, it doesn't mean that they are automatically deviant. Judging by some people's hatred, you would think they have never met a gay man or lesbian. If you know any, you'd find that they are human beings like the rest of us. In fact, if you found your son is gay, you'd quickly discover that this is more complicated than simply labeling them deviant.

The only thing that points to homosexuality as being immoral is Religion. But it also states a number of things that are immoral but that we "allow" to happen. Adultery, fornication, lust, envy....you name it. Where do we get off "hating" homosexuals? How do we justify giving this "sin" more weight than the others? If the wages of sin...is death, then we are all doomed, homosexual or not. We are all sinners. How are we different from homosexuals?
 Quoting: Nefertiti


Don't hate them. Tired of their agenda shoved into our faces and shoved down our throats. We have rights too. And it is not to be harassed by people demanding we change our values to theirs. THEY are the perverts.

If they would keep their mouths shut and go on quietly about their lives, no one would care. BUT NO.. It is a life or death agenda with them. They cause their own backlash.
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You are right..

It is all a Smoke and Mirror show to try and FORCE THE HAND
of society to not only accept, but embrace a lifestyle that the world from the beginning of time was NEVER accepted.

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So did you create GOD in your Image?

Where did you find the proof of the GOD you believe in Ajk?

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I'm not gonna engage someone who is just gonna belittle. Won't waste things on that which who doesn't really wanna hear it.
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Wasn't going to belittle you....
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No? Look I know what you believe, and I know you are very opposed to what I believe, so I don't see much point in having a pissing match in effect.
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When you are talking about GOD in the context you were I wanted to ask you to expand on that belief system, so other's would know what GOD you are speaking of, since the one you are mentioning is not from the Holy Bible....

That is all...

It wasn't meant as a boxing match question...
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They may nob be intentionally evil, but they are poison and cancer to the longevity of any civilization, and have never been granted equal rights in any pagan or christian culture.
Its one thing to be born gay, and another to act out as gay.
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so you're basically telling them they can't be who they are......yeah that's loving isn't it? What if someone said to you you couldn't act on your heterosexual desires, would you like that much? Somehow I don't think so......
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promiscuity, irresponsibility and excess have consequences for any practitioner.
Love and sex are two different things, and your pretending they are inexorably linked doesnt make it so.
Gays have been taught that excess is desireable, if they didnt start out toxic, they were made toxic.
The value of any act is judged by the consequences of the act, and gay sex has only negative potential consequence.
Its not a matter of any doctrine, its a matter of risk benefit ratio in a natural sense, and socially there is no benefit for gay sexuality. It's one thing to allow it to occur at some relatively safe level, and quite another to exhalt it and promote it as a lifestyle.
Breeders dont make their sexuality their lifestyle, it's coincidental for most and loses its priority with child rearing.
Gays make it the centerpiec of their identity, and that emphasis and lack of moderating resposnibility is the problem.
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THIS! I really don't have any interest in knowing what other people do in their bedrooms, but when the gay lifestyle starts getting thrown in our faces - all over TV and news so our children are constantly exposed - then I have a problem. Especially since the whole 'born this way' thing has not been proven. Even if it were - I don't like the message that we can't control ourselves when it comes to sex - it's a bad message to send to children - to anyone.

Also, it is argued that we need to publicly acknowledge that being gay is OK because the stigma causes gay people psychological trauma and leads to increased suicide rates. Well, it turns out that it's not clear that the stigma is what is causing these psychological problems. What if being gay or living the gay lifestyle leads to unhappiness? What if the reason homosexuality is condemned in the Bible is because, like most things that are prohibited, it is bad for us? (Physically, sex between gay men is much, much more dangerous than heterosexual sex as far as STDs and cancer goes.) Isn't the loving thing, then, to accept and love the person and support them in being able to live a chaste life? That is the teaching of the Catholic Church.
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so you're basically telling them they can't be who they are......yeah that's loving isn't it? What if someone said to you you couldn't act on your heterosexual desires, would you like that much? Somehow I don't think so......
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promiscuity, irresponsibility and excess have consequences for any practitioner.
Love and sex are two different things, and your pretending they are inexorably linked doesnt make it so.
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That goes for both sides though......who are we exactly to judge a couple that loves each other and desires sex? It should not be an issue, gay or not.
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Love, as intended is rare enough among straights, and relatively nonexistant among the immature emotional state that gays have, basically imagining that their desire and lust is real love.
When living in an arrested narcissist state, love isnt involved, at least not mature, enduring, forgiving and sacrificing love that's needed for proper child rearing.
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Wow - that was amazing. I do actually know two or three gay couples (I used to be United Church of Christ) who I don't think fit this bill, but generally, you are dead-on, especially with how rare true love is in this world - even among straights - at least in the U.S. Narcissism is becoming our national pastime!
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Homosexuality, unlike chastity, is natural.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


We are mammals.

People should try to get their facts straight.

Not in a centuries-old fairy tail book.
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Yes, genuine christian heteros do not engage in these acts, if they have in the past due to the relentless promotion in the lamestream media, they should have repented and turned away from them, otherwise they are like a dog returning to it's vomit. These acts are condemmed.
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Okay. I have understood your position. Tell me, which verses in particular refer to anal and oral sex?
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If you read the epistles - Romans in particular - the Apostle Paul is very clear on the issue of gay sex - sex in general. I believe there is mention in the book of Timothy too.

A lot of people say Jesus never said anything about gay marriage - but that's not true. I think it's in Matthew - when he speaks of marriage, he is clear that it is between a man and a woman and that there are some who are not capable of this union because, for whatever reason - being born that way or made that way, they are 'eunichs' which back in that time would have been the word used to refer to gay men. He does not condemn them, just says that they are not capable of marriage. There is some speculation, also, that the healing of the centurion's servant represents the healing of a gay man's lover. Of course, this can't be proven, but of course Jesus healed the servant - his love is not denied anyone for any reason.

Also, with regard to sexuality in general - when Jesus met the Samaritan woman at the well, he pointed out (discreetly) that she had been sleeping around and that that wasn't cool. So, anyone who thinks Jesus approved of sex outside of marriage - sorry to break it to you ...
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Ask God, if you are so impudent, why he forbade homosexual activity. He is the One you have a problem with.
Christians and Jews who follow the word of God simply follow what HE said about homosexual acts.
Love is stronger than death.
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I don't know if anyone really hates gays. What they do hate is the incessant in your face agenda.
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Liberace was a Flaming Homosexual, he was well liked by people not because he was GAY but because he was a talented entertainer, Liberace was not forcing anyone to accept his lifestyle, he led his life the way he chose and no one tried to snoop in his house and try to stone him or change him...


What we have today is an AGENDA perpetuated by Homosexuals who are hell bent in destroying the fabric of family and force people and children to accept and embrace there lifestyle and create a Bold Face Lie that people are born Transgender, bisexual, transvestite and GAY!

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the homos are like the entitlement crowd

thats why theyre hated
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I don't know if anyone really hates gays. What they do hate is the incessant in your face agenda.
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and this too^

its obvious
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hetero my ass. fag
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Sorry OP ... Did you say you believe in the Bible?

Really? I thought you were supposed to believe in GOD?

Then you quote Paul, when it suits you...

What about oppressing women again, then?

Paul orders it!

Here read my posts on this thread.

Thread: Was Paul - aka Saul of Tarsus - a False Apostle? (Page 13)

Do you really believe in the BIBLE?

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Hi Amazing,

I took sometime out to read the thread you posted. Very, very interesting. Will read it all later.

I responded to your earlier post and mentioned the question of Paul's point of view. Here's the thing though. Church doctrine must resolve this issue once and for all as it has resolved others. Christians and other religious people are well known for not studying their holy books. They seek interpretations and explanations from the clergy. As long as this is the case, Christians will continue to be torn over this issue, as well as many others.

As a Christian, I'm frustrated by this because of how my brothers and sisters are dealing with it. Many of them actually feel justified in their hatred. They will not come out and say they "hate" gays but they will say hateful and spiteful things about them. I guess I started this topic to find out what exactly Christians think they are doing. Some can't articulate their reasons, while others however hateful are pretty good at breaking down the whys of the matter.

What do I see? I see a failure of the Church to deal with this definitively. I can see that gay rights are inevitable. There is no doubt that legally, gays will be able to marry, adopt children, procreate in their own way (sperm donors) and that sooner than later, a gay family will be considered a type of normal family.

When this happens, when the laws change the world over, how will gay people live? If they believe in God and Jesus, will they not start their own churches? Will they still not suffer discrimination? How will those who are anti- gay live comfortably in a society that seems immoral to them? Their children will be exposed to a lifestyle they don't agree with. Look at most of the tv series running currently. There are gay scenes all over the place.

To question the Bible is a good thing for a Christian. It leads one to search for the answer. The Bible is full of contradictions if taken literally. That is why anyone can find a scripture or two to justify their position. For non-Christians, what happens may not affect them too much. For Christians, the homosexual question is turning out to be a biggie. It is bigger than the abolition of slavery and womens' rights. I don't want to sound alarmist, but this is akin to Martin Luther and the Protestant Reformation.
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Here are some links that might be helpful:

[link to www.vatican.va]

[link to www.catholicculture.org]

[link to www.catholicculture.org]
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A Christian would not hate homosexuals. To be Christian means to live like Christ, to spread love. You talk about the bibletards that are not able to or stopped thinking.
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This guy has no clue. Some Christians certainly do hate homosexuals, even though they ought to love them.
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Homosexuality, unlike chastity, is natural.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


We are mammals.

People should try to get their facts straight.

Not in a centuries-old fairy tail book.
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So, I suppose you have no more control over your bodily functions than animals?

God expects more of us than that.
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Homosexuality, unlike chastity, is natural.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


We are mammals.

People should try to get their facts straight.

Not in a centuries-old fairy tail book.
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So, I suppose you have no more control over your bodily functions than animals?

God expects more of us than that.
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Yes we have. Cause we (at least some of us) are now smart enough to understand that our actions have consequences.

Furthermore, i'm pretty sure that i have more control over my bodily functions than many christians.

[link to christiannymphos.org]
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Re: Christians, Why hate Homosexuals? Are you any different?
Liberace was a Flaming Homosexual, he was well liked by people not because he was GAY but because he was a talented entertainer, Liberace was not forcing anyone to accept his lifestyle, he led his life the way he chose and no one tried to snoop in his house and try to stone him or change him...


What we have today is an AGENDA perpetuated by Homosexuals who are hell bent in destroying the fabric of family and force people and children to accept and embrace there lifestyle and create a Bold Face Lie that people are born Transgender, bisexual, transvestite and GAY!

 Quoting: christian


WRONG! Everyone has an AGENDA Susie... Yes, even you!

Why are you only focusing on the homosexual agenda? Look into your heart and analyze what your AGENDA is on this issue.

If it is a bold face lie that people are born homosexual or heterosexual ... Can Christians please explain how they have managed to suppress their homosexual feelings to others of their gender?

The truth is, if you are fully heterosexual, you were born that way. I know I was, but maybe Christians weren't.

Please tell the truth or have you had homosexual feelings towards other people of your own gender? So if you were born that way why only you? See the silliness of the argument.

YOU were born heterosexual, but everyone else chose their sexuality. WHAT UNINTELLIGENT RUBBISH!

Gay rights has an AGENDA! So did equal opportunity rights for blacks and women. Do you object to the AGENDA of equal opportunity and women's rights also Susie?

I have shown you what Paul says in the Bible about women teaching or even having an opinion. Is it women's AGENDA to ignore the BIBLE, to ignore GOD's word?

WHY WOULD A SELF PROFESSING CHRISTIAN DO THAT?

I know why - because the oppression of women like Paul dictates is WRONG!

For those who don't know what Paul's teachings regarding women are here read it for yourself.

Thread: Was Paul - aka Saul of Tarsus - a False Apostle? (Page 13)

Should we men start enforcing Paul's teachings again? Susie, What do you say?

It is either right or it is wrong! It's either an order from GOD or it isn't!

Paul said it is.

1 Corinthians 14:37 “If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

Well is oppression of women a commandment from the Lord? Moses would agree that it is!

If you are claiming spirituality, PAUL says you must acknowledge all he writes as commandments from the LORD!

So what really is this "GAY AGENDA".

They want the right to marry. They want the right to what marriage provides under the legal system.

In a free society it should be their right.

Christians must have a very poor fabric of marriage if the "Gay Agenda" can destroy it. They also must have a very poor regard for other people's marriages.

Look into your own hearts. Now look in the mirror for that log! 1rof1

My marriage is not diminished in any way, shape or form just because of gay marriage and equal rights. If yours is then it must be a very poor marriage.

So in the end the simple fact is that Christians are misusing the Bible for oppression. They ignore Paul's express teachings on women, and yet, they will pull any verse they can out to oppress gays, or anyone slightly different from them.

What a horrid bunch of stone throwing hypocrits!

Do you represent your GOD well?

Luckily & thankfully, OP and other intelligent Christians have a far less bigoted stance.



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Christians don't hate gays. Since there is no degree of sin, short of sacrificing your children, and ALL have sinned, no, we Christians are no better. However, there is the saying, "Love the sinner, hate the sin".

On the other hand, gays probably have a pretty good idea about what the Bible says about homosexuality, so they displace their anger over that to hapless Christians. Gays also don't want to be 'preached' to about their chosen way of life, because you know, it's all about them. What THEY want. In my opinion, most gays are the epitome of selfishness. When Jesus said 'Take up your cross and follow me', that 'cross' is all of the sinful behavior we partake in everyday. Gays don't want to give up their sinful behavior, and will lash out at anyone telling them to.

So no, we don't hate gays, but I bet most, myself included, would wish they would stop trying to get others to ENDORSE their lifestyle. That goes for Christians too, because Jesus never told his disciples to bludgeon people over the head with God's Word.
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Endorse their lifestyle. Yes, a big number of people (in Uganda) would agree with you that while they wouldn't go out to lynch a gay man, they also are fed up with what seems like a pro-gay campaign. As I did say, the anti-gay stance here seems to be a reaction to the pro-gay campaign.

I agree with you about gays knowing the Bible and Christianity's stance on the matter. In my experience, many gay people are not members of a church because they know that they would have to stop. So do you think it is better for Christians to reject homosexuals in their churches and leave State matters to the State? (Hope I'm being clear)
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Why would gays be attending church if they choose not to follow Jesus, and 'take up their cross'? There are some gays that follow Jesus and reject that lifestyle, even though they may not be able to reject having unnatural feelings. I'm sure it's an everyday struggle for them, but Jesus never said that following Him would be free of persecution... but I would think that believing in eternal salvation surely trumps any carnal, temporary gratification to be had here in the flesh. At least, that's how it is for me... but I suck, because I'm only human. How did Paul say it? "I die daily". The wages of sin is death, and it's my belief that it's the Lord's will I wake up everyday. Therefore I thank Him everyday.

There is, apparently, a lesbian woman here in the US, that is 'coming out', shall we say, on the gay agenda here, and that it's not about equal rights under the law, but about actually breaking down the definition of marriage.

If gays want to attend church, they are more than welcome to. I would hope, since it's church, that proprieties are observed as well as respected, but militant gays cannot, by nature it seems, appear reserved and exhibit appropriate behavior. Again, it comes down to, 'Look at me... LOOK AT ME! I'm GAY!'...

As far as the state... I don't believe the state should be involved anywhere near marriage. Period. When you sign that license, you become married to the state, here in the US.
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Liberace was a Flaming Homosexual, he was well liked by people not because he was GAY but because he was a talented entertainer, Liberace was not forcing anyone to accept his lifestyle, he led his life the way he chose and no one tried to snoop in his house and try to stone him or change him...


What we have today is an AGENDA perpetuated by Homosexuals who are hell bent in destroying the fabric of family and force people and children to accept and embrace there lifestyle and create a Bold Face Lie that people are born Transgender, bisexual, transvestite and GAY!

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WRONG! Everyone has an AGENDA Susie... Yes, even you!

Why are you only focusing on the homosexual agenda? Look into your heart and analyze what your AGENDA is on this issue.

If it is a bold face lie that people are born homosexual or heterosexual ... Can Christians please explain how they have managed to suppress their homosexual feelings to others of their gender?

The truth is, if you are fully heterosexual, you were born that way. I know I was, but maybe Christians weren't.

Please tell the truth or have you had homosexual feelings towards other people of your own gender? So if you were born that way why only you? See the silliness of the argument.

YOU were born heterosexual, but everyone else chose their sexuality. WHAT UNINTELLIGENT RUBBISH!

Gay rights has an AGENDA! So did equal opportunity rights for blacks and women. Do you object to the AGENDA of equal opportunity and women's rights also Susie?

I have shown you what Paul says in the Bible about women teaching or even having an opinion. Is it women's AGENDA to ignore the BIBLE, to ignore GOD's word?

WHY WOULD A SELF PROFESSING CHRISTIAN DO THAT?

I know why - because the oppression of women like Paul dictates is WRONG!

For those who don't know what Paul's teachings regarding women are here read it for yourself.

Thread: Was Paul - aka Saul of Tarsus - a False Apostle? (Page 13)

Should we men start enforcing Paul's teachings again? Susie, What do you say?

It is either right or it is wrong! It's either an order from GOD or it isn't!

Paul said it is.

1 Corinthians 14:37 “If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

Well is oppression of women a commandment from the Lord? Moses would agree that it is!

If you are claiming spirituality, PAUL says you must acknowledge all he writes as commandments from the LORD!

So what really is this "GAY AGENDA".

They want the right to marry. They want the right to what marriage provides under the legal system.

In a free society it should be their right.

Christians must have a very poor fabric of marriage if the "Gay Agenda" can destroy it. They also must have a very poor regard for other people's marriages.

Look into your own hearts. Now look in the mirror for that log! 1rof1

My marriage is not diminished in any way, shape or form just because of gay marriage and equal rights. If yours is then it must be a very poor marriage.

So in the end the simple fact is that Christians are misusing the Bible for oppression. They ignore Paul's express teachings on women, and yet, they will pull any verse they can out to oppress gays, or anyone slightly different from them.

What a horrid bunch of stone throwing hypocrits!

Do you represent your GOD well?

Luckily & thankfully, OP and other intelligent Christians have a far less bigoted stance.



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You're wrong about the 'agenda'. There is a lesbian activist here in the US, as I posted above, that is speaking the truth about the 'gay marriage' issue. It's not about equal rights under the law, it's about breaking down the definition of marriage. So no, my marriage is not affected in any way, but the institution of marriage, as put forth by God is affected. Corruption, is what it is. Corruption of the seed.

I don't approve of your blanket statement for all Christians, and as far as Paul's teachings about women, we're not to preach in the church before men, nor speak aloud in dissent in the church. Guess what? This isn't church, and women are still allowed to teach. Especially to those that don't know of Jesus. We're ALL to preach the Gospel... the Bible doesn't specify just men to preach the Gospel.
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Matthew 7:1-5 "Judge not, that ye be not judged....."

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Why do you people always leave out the first part of that? You forgot 'O ye hypocrites'.

John 7:24: Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. Jesus himself tells us to judge... but not to judge hypocritically. Let me give you an example, since you seem to be confused.

I'm a smoker. I condemn you for smoking. Hypocritical judgment.

You're gay. I don't want you around my children, because I don't think your influence is healthy for them. Righteous judgment.

Get it now?
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All the acts you've mentioned are also hetero acts. To say they are imposed on heteros by gays is plain stupid and a lie.

But thanks for posting. You are exactly the kind of Christian I was referring to. The kind that doesn't even realize that while seeming all sanctimonious, you have just sinned. The kind that is probably up to something fishy since you have taken it upon yourself to declare others fake Christians.

Clearly, you are also intellectually challenged. You either can't read and therefore just reacted to your own imagination of my post, or you simply failed in reading comprehension in school. Which is it?
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Clearly you are a faggot shill pretending to be straight, we get them here a lot, it's boring.

Homosexual acts are not heterosexual acts, never have been never will be, women have an orifice called a vagina, there is no need for them to substitute other orifices because of a lack of one. God told the faithful to keep away from the sexual practices of the heathen.
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Let me ignore your insult and just look at your point. (We could trade insults forever).

"Homosexual acts are not heterosexual acts, never have been never will be,"

You should have stopped right there. Sexual acts between a male and female are not homosexual acts. On that we both agree. Now when you talk about vaginas, I wonder if you forgot what you posted before. The acts you mentioned were anal and oral. Both things that some heterosexuals engage in. Are those heathen acts considering they do not involve vaginas? If so, then condemn all who engage in them, not just homosexuals.
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Yes, genuine christian heteros do not engage in these acts, if they have in the past due to the relentless promotion in the lamestream media, they should have repented and turned away from them, otherwise they are like a dog returning to it's vomit. These acts are condemmed.
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Yes, I believe that intercourse other than vaginal falls under the biblical definition of sodomy.
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As a Christian in my opinion you lead by example you show the world humility forgiveness love random acts of kindness and blessing in the name Of God creator, lord and Savior , We do not judge helping some one find God and explaing with a BIBLE the gospel and salvation, you do not hate you are empty you are dead you are an empty vessel for all that the LORD needs. the Holy Spirit fills you with eternal love compassion integrity and blessings abound. those who claim CHRIST and have hate in their hearts know him not for he lies in all that is good and righteous, all that is majestic and inconceivable, all that is hidden and misunderstood is reveled through the blood and the sacrifice you make your sacrifice of free will.in return he gave his life God gave his son. if Jesus turned Mary Magdalen from being a whore and never looked down upon her that inspires people to better them selves to achieve higher than beating them down telling them all that is wrong, God will lead them on their own path to inner righteousness we are the Shepherds to collect the lost show them the love and blessings of the father and turn them over to him. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Ephesians 6:12
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1Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work, 2To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.
3For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another. 4But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, 5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 7That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. 8This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.
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RRRRRrrrrrr
HOMOSEXUALITY AHHHHHHHHGGGGGGG

FAGS FAGS FAGS, GODHATESFAGS!

I hate fags because they put their penis in the pooper. It's so unnatural. Why would you want to touch de poop?

poop

Poop touchers go to hell. ~BIBLE TOLD ME SO~

God hates FAGS because he cares where your penis goes. He is always watching your penis and if it goes in a butt YOU GO TO HELL FAGGOT.

Sincerely

A hopelessly confused, abysmally stupid mind control GLP fucktard who worships doctored scripts written by the tools of 4th dimensional entities
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Many people are speaking out because more gay people are coming out. That's just my opnion. In the past, it seemed being gay was a rare thing and so most people had never met or known a gay person.

My turning point was finding out two friends of mine (guys) were a couple. I was a serious anti-gay person before that. Since I got to know them as people before finding out they were gay, it was impossible for me not to realize that something wasn't right with my beliefs.
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I think when it comes to spiritual beliefs the easiest way to tell if something is beneficial or not is to ask if it is loving. In this case, it'd be is it loving or something you'd expect of a God supposed to be better than you are, to outcast someone simply because they love someone of the same sex and wish to be with them. If it's not, then it can't be something of God if God is supposed to be loving.
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It wasn't about my spiritual beliefs. I knew then as I know now that hating people is wrong. You hate the sin. But I was vehemently anti-gay. Wouldn't even waste a second considering the alternative.

I think the more people know gay people as individuals, the more they will change their hardcore stance. It won't change how they feel about the sexual acts. Personally, I really don't get it. But I also have been told by my friends that they find heterosexual sex disgusting. Really? That shocked me. Knowing my friends the way I do, they aren't lying. Why choose such a lifestyle in such a hostile society? For them, it wasn't a choice.

Do they believe in God? Yes, absolutely. Are they torn up by the fact that Christianity doesn't accept homosexuality? Very much. Am I a good Christian if I am still kind and loving towards gay people? I think yes. Does it bother me that this is a sin which it seems is hard to simply repent and stop committing? Absolutely. It also bothers me that any of my children could turn out to be gay. I don't want that for them and would move mountains to stop it. But if one of them did, what would I do? Would I stop loving them? Would I be comfortable in a church where my child can't fit in when I know that so many other members including myself are committing sins regularly?

So many questions....very few answers.
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I got one for you........how do you know what sin is? How do you know sin in the form you know it to be even exists? Did God itself directly come down and tell you that or did man?

Who is defining it? And is it loving to be taught that things that don't harm anyone else are to be seen as such?
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Sin is simply rebellion against God. Pride was the first sin, or rebellious act, that was committed against God, by Lucifer which then caused him to be cast out of Heaven. Lucifer felt he could be better than God. One-third of the angelic host went with him.
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Liberace was a Flaming Homosexual, he was well liked by people not because he was GAY but because he was a talented entertainer, Liberace was not forcing anyone to accept his lifestyle, he led his life the way he chose and no one tried to snoop in his house and try to stone him or change him...


What we have today is an AGENDA perpetuated by Homosexuals who are hell bent in destroying the fabric of family and force people and children to accept and embrace there lifestyle and create a Bold Face Lie that people are born Transgender, bisexual, transvestite and GAY!

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WRONG! Everyone has an AGENDA Susie... Yes, even you!

Why are you only focusing on the homosexual agenda? Look into your heart and analyze what your AGENDA is on this issue.

If it is a bold face lie that people are born homosexual or heterosexual ... Can Christians please explain how they have managed to suppress their homosexual feelings to others of their gender?

The truth is, if you are fully heterosexual, you were born that way. I know I was, but maybe Christians weren't.

Please tell the truth or have you had homosexual feelings towards other people of your own gender? So if you were born that way why only you? See the silliness of the argument.

YOU were born heterosexual, but everyone else chose their sexuality. WHAT UNINTELLIGENT RUBBISH!

Gay rights has an AGENDA! So did equal opportunity rights for blacks and women. Do you object to the AGENDA of equal opportunity and women's rights also Susie?

I have shown you what Paul says in the Bible about women teaching or even having an opinion. Is it women's AGENDA to ignore the BIBLE, to ignore GOD's word?

WHY WOULD A SELF PROFESSING CHRISTIAN DO THAT?

I know why - because the oppression of women like Paul dictates is WRONG!

For those who don't know what Paul's teachings regarding women are here read it for yourself.

Thread: Was Paul - aka Saul of Tarsus - a False Apostle? (Page 13)

Should we men start enforcing Paul's teachings again? Susie, What do you say?

It is either right or it is wrong! It's either an order from GOD or it isn't!

Paul said it is.

1 Corinthians 14:37 “If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

Well is oppression of women a commandment from the Lord? Moses would agree that it is!

If you are claiming spirituality, PAUL says you must acknowledge all he writes as commandments from the LORD!

So what really is this "GAY AGENDA".

They want the right to marry. They want the right to what marriage provides under the legal system.

In a free society it should be their right.

Christians must have a very poor fabric of marriage if the "Gay Agenda" can destroy it. They also must have a very poor regard for other people's marriages.

Look into your own hearts. Now look in the mirror for that log! 1rof1

My marriage is not diminished in any way, shape or form just because of gay marriage and equal rights. If yours is then it must be a very poor marriage.

So in the end the simple fact is that Christians are misusing the Bible for oppression. They ignore Paul's express teachings on women, and yet, they will pull any verse they can out to oppress gays, or anyone slightly different from them.

What a horrid bunch of stone throwing hypocrits!

Do you represent your GOD well?

Luckily & thankfully, OP and other intelligent Christians have a far less bigoted stance.



tantrum
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You're wrong about the 'agenda'. There is a lesbian activist here in the US, as I posted above, that is speaking the truth about the 'gay marriage' issue. It's not about equal rights under the law, it's about breaking down the definition of marriage. So no, my marriage is not affected in any way, but the institution of marriage, as put forth by God is affected. Corruption, is what it is. Corruption of the seed.

I don't approve of your blanket statement for all Christians, and as far as Paul's teachings about women, we're not to preach in the church before men, nor speak aloud in dissent in the church. Guess what? This isn't church, and women are still allowed to teach. Especially to those that don't know of Jesus. We're ALL to preach the Gospel... the Bible doesn't specify just men to preach the Gospel.
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So you are saying that this one woman speaks on behalf of the entire homosexual community? What rot!

Does every Christian speak on behalf of the entire Christian community?

Are you really this naive. Why would you manipulate this so amateurishly?

I'm sorry that you can't comprehend the simple and explicit teachings of Paul. He even claims they are commandments from the lord, but, hey feel free to be selective.

Under Paul's logic you have just admitted you aren't spiritual. AMAZING!

Re-read what Paul said about women... You probably need to read it many, many times for it to sink in. It is so unGODly that it may take some time to fully sink in.

The first says you aren't permitted to speak in Church. Do I need to define "silence" for you?

1 Corinthians 14:34-35 “Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.”


Where does it say "nor speak aloud in dissent in the church"? Why are you changing GOD's inerrant word?

I hope your husband taught you what to say...lol

Now I'm a man so I hope you aren't breaking this commandment from the Lord. Afterall, I am trying to teach you...lol

1 Timothy 2:11-14 “Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.”


The Lord, allegedly through Paul, goes a lot further in this verse. Where are you showing "silence with all subjection"?...lol

It's great to know that Adam wasn't deceived by Satan and that you women through Eve were "in transgression". How do you believe this rubbish?

So according to Paul, you have a choice - total silence OR break a commandment from the Lord. It is very specific no matter which way you look at it.

I know Paul is wrong... BUT if you believe the Bible is GOD's inerrant word and Paul spoke on behalf of GOD then shouldn't you comply? Are commandments from the Lord a take it or leave it offer?

I hope you cover your head in Church also... or should the men of your Church bring shears on Sunday?...lol

So seeing you state "We are all to preach the gospel", you are going against Paul's teachings in 1 Timothy and 1 Corinthians.

Unless "preaching" is different to "teaching".

A word of warning though... if you choose to teach, you might like to learn the stuff first...lol

Now please explain which bits of the BIBLE are as you call things "the Gospel"?

What definition do you choose for the word "The Gospel"?

Be careful your GOD is watching!

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ARGUMENT WON.

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Christians discriminate against homosexuals because they need someone to oppress.

They don't know their BIBLES well enough to know that it is totally wrong to oppress anyone.

They love throwing the guilt trip on homosexuals because it makes them feel superior.

They pick and choose anything that suits their bigotry.

Sad but true!

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The delusional post of the day so far, God´s condemning homosexuality in the Bible. Whatever
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A God that condems, shows wrath or anger is a beeing that should urgently work on his spiritual deficits.
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Haha... As if you're the one to tell God he should change. Good luck with that.
Acts 10:34: Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons

So yeah, I don't think God cares what you think He should or should not do, lol.

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