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Christians, Why hate Homosexuals? Are you any different?

 
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I really, really hope E.Ts beam up all the retarded christians first. Take them, they want to be raptured. Take them to their new reality please, this planet would be so much better off without their stupidity
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My country has been in the news for wanting to kill homosexuals. The facts are:

1) A single Member of Parliament drafted a Private Member's Bill that called for all manner of things against homosexuals. It isn't a government position.

2) Most Ugandans could care less about this Bill or about who is homosexual since it doesn't affect their daily lives.

3) A certain group of homosexual organizations have taken it upon themselves to "educate" children here about the what, how and why of homosexuality. In response, certain Christian groups and parents have launched a counter campaign.

I'm hetero. I have a couple of homosexual friends. I don't really like to think about what they do and I'm not comfortable with tv series where men kiss men. Being a woman, I'm repelled by the idea that a woman will hit on me. So personally, I wouldn't tell my kids that homosexuality is an option.

Does that mean we should discriminate against them? Should we be bullying them? Are they morally bankrupt compared to heteros? I don't think so. Most rape, pedophelia and deviant non consensual sex is committed by heterosexuals. So if someone is gay or lesbian, it doesn't mean that they are automatically deviant. Judging by some people's hatred, you would think they have never met a gay man or lesbian. If you know any, you'd find that they are human beings like the rest of us. In fact, if you found your son is gay, you'd quickly discover that this is more complicated than simply labeling them deviant.

The only thing that points to homosexuality as being immoral is Religion. But it also states a number of things that are immoral but that we "allow" to happen. Adultery, fornication, lust, envy....you name it. Where do we get off "hating" homosexuals? How do we justify giving this "sin" more weight than the others? If the wages of sin...is death, then we are all doomed, homosexual or not. We are all sinners. How are we different from homosexuals?
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I don't "hate" any one. Rather presumptuous of you, no?
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Re: Christians, Why hate Homosexuals? Are you any different?
Liberace was a Flaming Homosexual, he was well liked by people not because he was GAY but because he was a talented entertainer, Liberace was not forcing anyone to accept his lifestyle, he led his life the way he chose and no one tried to snoop in his house and try to stone him or change him...


What we have today is an AGENDA perpetuated by Homosexuals who are hell bent in destroying the fabric of family and force people and children to accept and embrace there lifestyle and create a Bold Face Lie that people are born Transgender, bisexual, transvestite and GAY!

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WRONG! Everyone has an AGENDA Susie... Yes, even you!

Why are you only focusing on the homosexual agenda? Look into your heart and analyze what your AGENDA is on this issue.

If it is a bold face lie that people are born homosexual or heterosexual ... Can Christians please explain how they have managed to suppress their homosexual feelings to others of their gender?

The truth is, if you are fully heterosexual, you were born that way. I know I was, but maybe Christians weren't.

Please tell the truth or have you had homosexual feelings towards other people of your own gender? So if you were born that way why only you? See the silliness of the argument.

YOU were born heterosexual, but everyone else chose their sexuality. WHAT UNINTELLIGENT RUBBISH!

Gay rights has an AGENDA! So did equal opportunity rights for blacks and women. Do you object to the AGENDA of equal opportunity and women's rights also Susie?

I have shown you what Paul says in the Bible about women teaching or even having an opinion. Is it women's AGENDA to ignore the BIBLE, to ignore GOD's word?

WHY WOULD A SELF PROFESSING CHRISTIAN DO THAT?

I know why - because the oppression of women like Paul dictates is WRONG!

For those who don't know what Paul's teachings regarding women are here read it for yourself.

Thread: Was Paul - aka Saul of Tarsus - a False Apostle? (Page 13)

Should we men start enforcing Paul's teachings again? Susie, What do you say?

It is either right or it is wrong! It's either an order from GOD or it isn't!

Paul said it is.

1 Corinthians 14:37 “If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

Well is oppression of women a commandment from the Lord? Moses would agree that it is!

If you are claiming spirituality, PAUL says you must acknowledge all he writes as commandments from the LORD!

So what really is this "GAY AGENDA".

They want the right to marry. They want the right to what marriage provides under the legal system.

In a free society it should be their right.

Christians must have a very poor fabric of marriage if the "Gay Agenda" can destroy it. They also must have a very poor regard for other people's marriages.

Look into your own hearts. Now look in the mirror for that log! 1rof1

My marriage is not diminished in any way, shape or form just because of gay marriage and equal rights. If yours is then it must be a very poor marriage.

So in the end the simple fact is that Christians are misusing the Bible for oppression. They ignore Paul's express teachings on women, and yet, they will pull any verse they can out to oppress gays, or anyone slightly different from them.

What a horrid bunch of stone throwing hypocrits!

Do you represent your GOD well?

Luckily & thankfully, OP and other intelligent Christians have a far less bigoted stance.



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You're wrong about the 'agenda'. There is a lesbian activist here in the US, as I posted above, that is speaking the truth about the 'gay marriage' issue. It's not about equal rights under the law, it's about breaking down the definition of marriage. So no, my marriage is not affected in any way, but the institution of marriage, as put forth by God is affected. Corruption, is what it is. Corruption of the seed.

I don't approve of your blanket statement for all Christians, and as far as Paul's teachings about women, we're not to preach in the church before men, nor speak aloud in dissent in the church. Guess what? This isn't church, and women are still allowed to teach. Especially to those that don't know of Jesus. We're ALL to preach the Gospel... the Bible doesn't specify just men to preach the Gospel.
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So you are saying that this one woman speaks on behalf of the entire homosexual community? What rot!

Does every Christian speak on behalf of the entire Christian community?

Are you really this naive. Why would you manipulate this so amateurishly?

I'm sorry that you can't comprehend the simple and explicit teachings of Paul. He even claims they are commandments from the lord, but, hey feel free to be selective.

Under Paul's logic you have just admitted you aren't spiritual. AMAZING!

Re-read what Paul said about women... You probably need to read it many, many times for it to sink in. It is so unGODly that it may take some time to fully sink in.

The first says you aren't permitted to speak in Church. Do I need to define "silence" for you?

1 Corinthians 14:34-35 “Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.”


Where does it say "nor speak aloud in dissent in the church"? Why are you changing GOD's inerrant word?

I hope your husband taught you what to say...lol

Now I'm a man so I hope you aren't breaking this commandment from the Lord. Afterall, I am trying to teach you...lol

1 Timothy 2:11-14 “Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.”


The Lord, allegedly through Paul, goes a lot further in this verse. Where are you showing "silence with all subjection"?...lol

It's great to know that Adam wasn't deceived by Satan and that you women through Eve were "in transgression". How do you believe this rubbish?

So according to Paul, you have a choice - total silence OR break a commandment from the Lord. It is very specific no matter which way you look at it.

I know Paul is wrong... BUT if you believe the Bible is GOD's inerrant word and Paul spoke on behalf of GOD then shouldn't you comply? Are commandments from the Lord a take it or leave it offer?

I hope you cover your head in Church also... or should the men of your Church bring shears on Sunday?...lol

So seeing you state "We are all to preach the gospel", you are going against Paul's teachings in 1 Timothy and 1 Corinthians.

Unless "preaching" is different to "teaching".

A word of warning though... if you choose to teach, you might like to learn the stuff first...lol

Now please explain which bits of the BIBLE are as you call things "the Gospel"?

What definition do you choose for the word "The Gospel"?

Be careful your GOD is watching!

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I'm looking around, but I'm not seeing the church.

The Gospel is commonly referred to as the first 4 books of the New Testament.

I'm happy God is watching, why would I need to be careful? "For all have sinned and come short of the the glory of God" I'm comfortable in my relationship with Christ. I'm aware of my place with Him, and that's all that matters. I'm sorry you can't understand that.

You've made my prayer list. You shouldn't have to live in such misery.
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There is a process of cultural decay that is being instigated by the oligarchy that controls the world. They in turn get their instructions from satan.

Satan knows full well, that if he can institutionalize evil of any type, including homosexuality, then he can force God to bring judgment on the human race, possibly destroying their lives and destroying their souls.

So the problem with homosexuality is that God has declared it as a sin worthy of spending an eternity in hell for. (Along with adultery , sex outside of marriage, drug abuse (aka witchcraft), greed, idolatry and many other things.)

While we are on earth, we can find forgiveness and healing for all of these sins, through God's Son, Jesus Christ. However God will judge nations who practice these things, just as he judged Sodom and Gomorrah.

So while we acknowledge that some will have these tendencies, just as some are prone to alcoholism, through Jesus it is possible to overcome these traits and achieve victory over sin. We are held accountable to this standard.

So it is not in the best interests of any society to promote any form of immorality. To do so is to invite the judgment of God and much suffering for everyone. That is why we really don't want to promote any deviant lifestyle, especially, we don't want to institutionalize it, as Western governments have been ordered to do recently.

"Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people." Proverbs 14:34
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There is a process of cultural decay that is being instigated by the oligarchy that controls the world. They in turn get their instructions from satan.

Satan knows full well, that if he can institutionalize evil of any type, including homosexuality, then he can force God to bring judgment on the human race, possibly destroying their lives and destroying their souls.

So the problem with homosexuality is that God has declared it as a sin worthy of spending an eternity in hell for. (Along with adultery , sex outside of marriage, drug abuse (aka witchcraft), greed, idolatry and many other things.)

While we are on earth, we can find forgiveness and healing for all of these sins, through God's Son, Jesus Christ. However God will judge nations who practice these things, just as he judged Sodom and Gomorrah.

So while we acknowledge that some will have these tendencies, just as some are prone to alcoholism, through Jesus it is possible to overcome these traits and achieve victory over sin. We are held accountable to this standard.

So it is not in the best interests of any society to promote any form of immorality. To do so is to invite the judgment of God and much suffering for everyone. That is why we really don't want to promote any deviant lifestyle, especially, we don't want to institutionalize it, as Western governments have been ordered to do recently.

"Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people." Proverbs 14:34
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I was already under the impression that child sacrifice (aka abortion) was institutionalized here, in the US. As well as other countries.
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It's great to know that Adam wasn't deceived by Satan and that you women through Eve were "in transgression". How do you believe this rubbish?
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Eve may have transgressed first, but maybe Adam shouldn't have blamed God for giving him the woman in the fist place:

Gen 3:12: And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
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I only read the title and won't read the rest of this thread.

just

because

it is not true that Christians hate homosexuals

we [Christians] are against homosexuality

in case you do not know the difference yet,

get educated first

before you speak in public.
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Not one or group of human being should be injured based on their sexual preference, and any such incidents of this nature, which occurs should be dealt with severely by local authorities; and presented in front of the United Nations. Also no other human should be discriminated against because they happens not to support ones sexual preference.
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Homosexuality, unlike chastity, is natural.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


We are mammals.

People should try to get their facts straight.

Not in a centuries-old fairy tail book.
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The only way that you can argue that homosexuality is "natural" is by looking to the animal kingdom? My dog attempts to hump the sofa and every little child that comes his way, but yet, you want to JUSTIFY human behaviour based on those facts? My dog is an UNREASONING ANIMAL who only seeks to perform his biological drive, yet you somehow use this to prove that it is "natural" among man? By denying creation you deny that man has been given reason and a conscience - unlike the animal kingdom. We are witnessing society that has been indoctrinated by those whose "holy book" - the Talmud - states that we, non-Jews - are no better than unreasoning beasts. Don't you get it? Unreasoning beasts do things based on pleasure, even if it means doing things that harm others. Unreasoning beasts categorise behaviour based on what feels good and what feels bad. They do the former and avoid the latter. But no distinction is made at any higher level. By arguing based on the animal kingdom, you have merely lowered yourself to what those who produce your daily dose of media poison have brought you too. It is clearly EVIDENT that an anus was designed for excrement, pure and simple. Therefore, any higher reasoning based upon what is clearly creation, must conclude that desiring to stick a penis up that orifice comes from beast like desire and lust - not creation. Our Creator has made everything evident to us, yet, because we want to do these these things, we look elsewhere to justify the behaviour. This is why it is stated that people will fully ignore evidence of creation in order to do the things that should not be done. In other words, you look to the animal beast kingdom to justify sticking a penis up an anus because creation shows you that it is nothing but a lust of sexual desire.

Those who justify based on the animal kingdom are mere victims of Talmudic thinking.
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They pick and choose anything that suits their bigotry.

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:grizzy: Like all sins homosexuality can be forgiven. UNINVITED?... [link to www.chick.com]
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Yet its not a sin 2 LOVE another

you guys are nutts crazy & you fail to realize the error in your ways & just love all

Most yet not all of The religious have always been on the extreme side of things.
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1. Real Christians don't hate anyone. Being Homosexual is not a sin, but engaging in the lifestyle is. It took me a long time to get to why, and here's a little bit of it -

2. Sexual sin, failing to treat the body and sex as a sacred act of marriage designed towards procreation leads, eventually, to the breakdown of the family, the bedrock of society.

That's it in a nutshell. There are a lot of anti-Catholics on here, so I'm hesitant to say this, but if you really want to explore the reasons for the Christianity's opposition to the promotion of the gay lifestyle, the writings of the Popes provide very compelling and well-constructed arguments. One is Humanae Vitae, written by Pope Paul VI in the 1960s, in which he predicted that the snowball effect of approving the use of artificial birth control would lead to a culture of death. Everything he predicted has become reality in the United States. There is also John Paul II's 'Theology of the Body' which is beautiful.

Hope that helps to answer your question. I understand how it appears that this is an issue of equality. It took me a long time to come to terms with my position - I was very pro- gay marriage. (And there are actually some 'Christian' churches that endorse gay marriage - so it's not all of them, but I believe that those Churches are not correct in their views.
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Thanks. I will read up on those.

If sexual sin means having sex without the goal of procreation, boy are we all in trouble.
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I would disagree with number 2



1 Corinthians 7:3-5

King James Version (KJV)


"Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband."

"The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife."

"Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency."
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Well, I see your basis for disagreement, but I'd like to point out that this is in reference to sex between a man and wife and that it was written in a time when there was no artificial birth control. I think that the Church has felt it necessary to point out and emphasize the procreative element because of the introduction of artificial birth control. If you think about it, it's way of denying God - attempting to exert control over his divine plan, no? Not trusting in him to provide what is in the plan for each of his children.

The bottom line is, as far as the Catholic Church is concerned, is that anyone who is not married is called to chastity. If you happen to be gay, you may have a little bit of a different cross to bear, but we are all called to be holy and to live our lives for God in accordance with His will - not to indulge our worldly desires. Widows, single people, divorced people, priests, nuns, and gays. The Catholic church treats them all the same.
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I understand what the Carholic Church is saying. This is one of the BIG issues along with celibacy of the Priesthood. I don't hear of too many Catholics having 10 kids anymore. So either they are abstaining or they are using birth control. This again is a sign of impractical positions. I really wonder if it is God given or if we somehow haven't misinterpreted things. Why would God make a rule that even married people cannot follow?

The Church, Catholic and others, have been known through history to interprete things one way and then change their minds. And always they use the Bible to justify themselves.
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Religious morans

no independent thought, just endless assumptions of what they think God thinks. they think some heavily bastardized book has all the answers if they can interpret it literally.

guess what morans, your GOD is actually an alien bastard. And this "God" AKA Jehovah/Saturn is also Satan, Lucifer, the evil one. ever wonder why human beings are forced to worship - no matter what - it's always something. this is because this being lives off your power.

He plays both sides, light and dark. As above so below. Democrats and Republicans. Pepsi and Coke. McDonalds or Burger King. One of these days you'll figure this out, but in the mean time enjoy your delusions, psychotic fucks
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They may nob be intentionally evil, but they are poison and cancer to the longevity of any civilization, and have never been granted equal rights in any pagan or christian culture.
Its one thing to be born gay, and another to act out as gay.
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so you're basically telling them they can't be who they are......yeah that's loving isn't it? What if someone said to you you couldn't act on your heterosexual desires, would you like that much? Somehow I don't think so......
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promiscuity, irresponsibility and excess have consequences for any practitioner.
Love and sex are two different things, and your pretending they are inexorably linked doesnt make it so.
Gays have been taught that excess is desireable, if they didnt start out toxic, they were made toxic.
The value of any act is judged by the consequences of the act, and gay sex has only negative potential consequence.
Its not a matter of any doctrine, its a matter of risk benefit ratio in a natural sense, and socially there is no benefit for gay sexuality. It's one thing to allow it to occur at some relatively safe level, and quite another to exhalt it and promote it as a lifestyle.
Breeders dont make their sexuality their lifestyle, it's coincidental for most and loses its priority with child rearing.
Gays make it the centerpiec of their identity, and that emphasis and lack of moderating resposnibility is the problem.
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THIS! I really don't have any interest in knowing what other people do in their bedrooms, but when the gay lifestyle starts getting thrown in our faces - all over TV and news so our children are constantly exposed - then I have a problem. Especially since the whole 'born this way' thing has not been proven. Even if it were - I don't like the message that we can't control ourselves when it comes to sex - it's a bad message to send to children - to anyone.

Also, it is argued that we need to publicly acknowledge that being gay is OK because the stigma causes gay people psychological trauma and leads to increased suicide rates. Well, it turns out that it's not clear that the stigma is what is causing these psychological problems. What if being gay or living the gay lifestyle leads to unhappiness? What if the reason homosexuality is condemned in the Bible is because, like most things that are prohibited, it is bad for us? (Physically, sex between gay men is much, much more dangerous than heterosexual sex as far as STDs and cancer goes.) Isn't the loving thing, then, to accept and love the person and support them in being able to live a chaste life? That is the teaching of the Catholic Church.
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And your argument is why I think the Church needs to come out clearly on this from a Doctrinal point of view. Most people are not concerned with what happens after dark, between four walls. It is none of their business. Most people find all this talk of gay rights scary and don't want their kids exposed to it. Most people would rather the whole discussion is dropped immediately.

But it looks like that isn't going to happen. So we need to ask why? Why are the gay lobbyists fighting for these rights? If truly we left them alone and never bothered them, why are they bothering us? It turns out that they are NOT being left alone. Some people are bullying them, harming them, denying them peace. It may not be very visible and most many not even report the abuse. But how many Matthew Shepards do we need before we do something? What about those victims who are not outright killed? It seems to me that the gay agenda is being pushed by people who want to be free to express themselves. In my country, no one, gay or hetero, can have sex in a public place without facing immediate arrest. So I don't think gays want to be able to be lewd in public. They just don't want to hide anymore.
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My country has been in the news for wanting to kill homosexuals. The facts are:

1) A single Member of Parliament drafted a Private Member's Bill that called for all manner of things against homosexuals. It isn't a government position.

2) Most Ugandans could care less about this Bill or about who is homosexual since it doesn't affect their daily lives.

3) A certain group of homosexual organizations have taken it upon themselves to "educate" children here about the what, how and why of homosexuality. In response, certain Christian groups and parents have launched a counter campaign.

I'm hetero. I have a couple of homosexual friends. I don't really like to think about what they do and I'm not comfortable with tv series where men kiss men. Being a woman, I'm repelled by the idea that a woman will hit on me. So personally, I wouldn't tell my kids that homosexuality is an option.

Does that mean we should discriminate against them? Should we be bullying them? Are they morally bankrupt compared to heteros? I don't think so. Most rape, pedophelia and deviant non consensual sex is committed by heterosexuals. So if someone is gay or lesbian, it doesn't mean that they are automatically deviant. Judging by some people's hatred, you would think they have never met a gay man or lesbian. If you know any, you'd find that they are human beings like the rest of us. In fact, if you found your son is gay, you'd quickly discover that this is more complicated than simply labeling them deviant.

The only thing that points to homosexuality as being immoral is Religion. But it also states a number of things that are immoral but that we "allow" to happen. Adultery, fornication, lust, envy....you name it. Where do we get off "hating" homosexuals? How do we justify giving this "sin" more weight than the others? If the wages of sin...is death, then we are all doomed, homosexual or not. We are all sinners. How are we different from homosexuals?
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Don't hate them. Tired of their agenda shoved into our faces and shoved down our throats. We have rights too. And it is not to be harassed by people demanding we change our values to theirs. THEY are the perverts.

If they would keep their mouths shut and go on quietly about their lives, no one would care. BUT NO.. It is a life or death agenda with them. They cause their own backlash.
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A life and death agenda... Yes, it is. You do realize that people have lost life and limb because they are gay, right? Those of us who do no harm to others don't realize that there some who will commit hate crimes of varying levels and that such incidents are always happening.
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Re: Christians, Why hate Homosexuals? Are you any different?
Go ask the Muslims why they hate homos,then get back to me.
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A life and death agenda... Yes, it is. You do realize that people have lost life and limb because they are gay, right? Those of us who do no harm to others don't realize that there some who will commit hate crimes of varying levels and that such incidents are always happening.
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Yet it is a tiny fraction of the millions slaughtered by AIDs and STDs and other negative lifestyle choices that plague homosexuals.

We reap what we sow. Homo's have not found a way to avoid this axiom of God's. The moral cretins who are promoting the degeneration of society have no compassion whatsoever for homos. They want the deaths and the suffering for both homos and the societies that encourage their behavior.

Each death is a sacrifice to their demonic God. This is yet another reason christians must oppose the normalization of bad behavior. As the Bible says,

"Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil".
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Re: Christians, Why hate Homosexuals? Are you any different?
When fellow Christians in the USA start paying attention to the entire Bible instead of just picking out a few verses to make their point while simultaneously ignoring our constitutional rights in this country, maybe I'll start caring more about their culture war. Give to the poor, but don't mind me I'm just flying around in my mega-church private jet. Gay marriage is an abomination, but 1/2 of Christian weddings end in divorce. Jesus is the prince of peace, so let's bomb Israel's enemies even though supposedly God will protect them but just to be sure lets bomb Iran. Keep the government out of my business, but make sure to regulate marriage because everyone knows that taking something like this to court would NEVER mean a Federal Government power grab to regulate marriage. "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help protect marriage".

Just define marriage for Civil purposes as between two consenting adults, which leaves out animals, children, and polygamy, and stop clogging up our courts with your statist BS. Using the government to enforce your morality on others at the point of a gun is a key component of socialism, and the religious right is being willingly lead around by their noses while the Constitution is shredded a little more by the Globalists each day. Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and keep religion a private choice or don't be surprised when Obama or whoever else is USA president in the future starts sending IRS agents into churches to make sure everything is legal and you've paid your marriage tax to DC. You know, to keep traditional marriage safe. LOL.

Seriously though, the whole gay thing is an IQ test. If you think being gay is immoral, then don't marry a dude. Leave the government out of religious marriage and let them have civil marriage. Instead of joining religious marriage under the jurisdiction of the federal government, where the morality of it is guaranteed to be compromised in the name of political correctness.

Christians like me are free to live a traditional Christian life in the USA. They can send their kids to religious schools and keep religious beliefs with like minded people, keep them away from too much TV and internet and socialist propaganda, and so on if they choose to. If gay people demanded the right to be married in my local church, I'd stand with the church because gays have no right to enforce their civil lifestyle on private religious institutions. The reverse of that, of course, is that private religious institutions have no right to enforce their lifestyle on the civil society at large, including gay people, so I stand with homosexuals on civil marriage rights. Religious institutions are going to continue to define marriage as man and woman, and that's fine with me. But making sure the love of your life can visit you in the ICU, has access to your benefits, can't be fired or proselytized to on the job for being openly gay, and so on should be enforced by CIVIL law. Either we are all equal under Civil law, or not. There should be no discrimination exceptions for homosexuals, or for anyone else.

*Insert random out-of-context Bible verse here*
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WRONG! Everyone has an AGENDA Susie... Yes, even you!

Why are you only focusing on the homosexual agenda? Look into your heart and analyze what your AGENDA is on this issue.

If it is a bold face lie that people are born homosexual or heterosexual ... Can Christians please explain how they have managed to suppress their homosexual feelings to others of their gender?

The truth is, if you are fully heterosexual, you were born that way. I know I was, but maybe Christians weren't.

Please tell the truth or have you had homosexual feelings towards other people of your own gender? So if you were born that way why only you? See the silliness of the argument.

YOU were born heterosexual, but everyone else chose their sexuality. WHAT UNINTELLIGENT RUBBISH!

Gay rights has an AGENDA! So did equal opportunity rights for blacks and women. Do you object to the AGENDA of equal opportunity and women's rights also Susie?

I have shown you what Paul says in the Bible about women teaching or even having an opinion. Is it women's AGENDA to ignore the BIBLE, to ignore GOD's word?

WHY WOULD A SELF PROFESSING CHRISTIAN DO THAT?

I know why - because the oppression of women like Paul dictates is WRONG!

For those who don't know what Paul's teachings regarding women are here read it for yourself.

Thread: Was Paul - aka Saul of Tarsus - a False Apostle? (Page 13)

Should we men start enforcing Paul's teachings again? Susie, What do you say?

It is either right or it is wrong! It's either an order from GOD or it isn't!

Paul said it is.

1 Corinthians 14:37 “If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

Well is oppression of women a commandment from the Lord? Moses would agree that it is!

If you are claiming spirituality, PAUL says you must acknowledge all he writes as commandments from the LORD!

So what really is this "GAY AGENDA".

They want the right to marry. They want the right to what marriage provides under the legal system.

In a free society it should be their right.

Christians must have a very poor fabric of marriage if the "Gay Agenda" can destroy it. They also must have a very poor regard for other people's marriages.

Look into your own hearts. Now look in the mirror for that log! 1rof1

My marriage is not diminished in any way, shape or form just because of gay marriage and equal rights. If yours is then it must be a very poor marriage.

So in the end the simple fact is that Christians are misusing the Bible for oppression. They ignore Paul's express teachings on women, and yet, they will pull any verse they can out to oppress gays, or anyone slightly different from them.

What a horrid bunch of stone throwing hypocrits!

Do you represent your GOD well?

Luckily & thankfully, OP and other intelligent Christians have a far less bigoted stance.



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You're wrong about the 'agenda'. There is a lesbian activist here in the US, as I posted above, that is speaking the truth about the 'gay marriage' issue. It's not about equal rights under the law, it's about breaking down the definition of marriage. So no, my marriage is not affected in any way, but the institution of marriage, as put forth by God is affected. Corruption, is what it is. Corruption of the seed.

I don't approve of your blanket statement for all Christians, and as far as Paul's teachings about women, we're not to preach in the church before men, nor speak aloud in dissent in the church. Guess what? This isn't church, and women are still allowed to teach. Especially to those that don't know of Jesus. We're ALL to preach the Gospel... the Bible doesn't specify just men to preach the Gospel.
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So you are saying that this one woman speaks on behalf of the entire homosexual community? What rot!

Does every Christian speak on behalf of the entire Christian community?

Are you really this naive. Why would you manipulate this so amateurishly?

I'm sorry that you can't comprehend the simple and explicit teachings of Paul. He even claims they are commandments from the lord, but, hey feel free to be selective.

Under Paul's logic you have just admitted you aren't spiritual. AMAZING!

Re-read what Paul said about women... You probably need to read it many, many times for it to sink in. It is so unGODly that it may take some time to fully sink in.

The first says you aren't permitted to speak in Church. Do I need to define "silence" for you?

1 Corinthians 14:34-35 “Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.”


Where does it say "nor speak aloud in dissent in the church"? Why are you changing GOD's inerrant word?

I hope your husband taught you what to say...lol

Now I'm a man so I hope you aren't breaking this commandment from the Lord. Afterall, I am trying to teach you...lol

1 Timothy 2:11-14 “Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.”


The Lord, allegedly through Paul, goes a lot further in this verse. Where are you showing "silence with all subjection"?...lol

It's great to know that Adam wasn't deceived by Satan and that you women through Eve were "in transgression". How do you believe this rubbish?

So according to Paul, you have a choice - total silence OR break a commandment from the Lord. It is very specific no matter which way you look at it.

I know Paul is wrong... BUT if you believe the Bible is GOD's inerrant word and Paul spoke on behalf of GOD then shouldn't you comply? Are commandments from the Lord a take it or leave it offer?

I hope you cover your head in Church also... or should the men of your Church bring shears on Sunday?...lol

So seeing you state "We are all to preach the gospel", you are going against Paul's teachings in 1 Timothy and 1 Corinthians.

Unless "preaching" is different to "teaching".

A word of warning though... if you choose to teach, you might like to learn the stuff first...lol

Now please explain which bits of the BIBLE are as you call things "the Gospel"?

What definition do you choose for the word "The Gospel"?

Be careful your GOD is watching!

hf
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I'm looking around, but I'm not seeing the church.

The Gospel is commonly referred to as the first 4 books of the New Testament.

I'm happy God is watching, why would I need to be careful? "For all have sinned and come short of the the glory of God" I'm comfortable in my relationship with Christ. I'm aware of my place with Him, and that's all that matters. I'm sorry you can't understand that.

You've made my prayer list. You shouldn't have to live in such misery.
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Don't bother praying for me... I can do that for myself... TY

PLUS you probably pray wrongly anyway...1rof1

Now I am sure it was just a typo but there are actually 4 gospels. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

So why can't you understand what Paul is shouting at everyone. He is shouting something Jesus never taught!

Why did you bear false witness against me? I'm not in any misery...

OOPS you failed again. It's OK most do.

Or with that are you saying commandments can be ignored when it suits?

See that is why the average joe shouldn't preach the Gospel... They don't know it well enough...

Most people are in Kindergarten level of the Bible. Some may listen and learn, whilst the others will just plod on merrily ill informed.

Oh here about the Gospels... You would think they would be accurate, wouldn't you?

Here read my quotes on this thread.

THE PASSOVER - Thread: Christianity is PAGAN. (Page 2)

So much to learn, so little time...

hf
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It's great to know that Adam wasn't deceived by Satan and that you women through Eve were "in transgression". How do you believe this rubbish?
 Quoting: Amazed Continually! 1190661


Eve may have transgressed first, but maybe Adam shouldn't have blamed God for giving him the woman in the fist place:

Gen 3:12: And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26033707


Yep, that Adam sure was a real man...

He was the one warned directly by GOD

Genesis 2:16-17 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.


So of course the man transgressed ... he defied GOD's direct order to him, and then blamed the woman.

How do women believe this rubbish?

How did Paul get it so wrong?

Amazing!

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Oh boy! Thanks for the links. Has anybody else looked at these? The Catholic Church has clearly studied this matter and came to a conclusion as early as December 1974. In brief:

- the inclination towards homosexuality is not a sin but a disorder.
- committing homosexual acts is a sin
- man was created male and female to reflect the duality of God (in Our image)
- the sexual act is an act of giving life. Therefore sex for entertainment, homosexual sex and any sex not including procreation is in violation of the purpose it was meant for. (Did I get that right?)
- the Bible has been consistent in its views on homosexuality (here they cite Leviticus, Paul's Epistle's and Timothy)
- the Church must not condone vile acts against homosexuals and should embrace them as members
- Homosexuals must understand that the Bible calls on them to be chaste. Basically this is their cross to bear. We all have crosses.
- that to be a Christian is to sacrifice certain things in order to gain eternal life. So if that sacrifice is one's homosexuality, then it is worth it.
- that there is a group within the Church that is pushing for the recognition of homosexuality in State laws. That this group includes Christians who know homosexuals personally and who believe they are being "loving".
- that what Christians need to understand is that by the State legalizing homosexuality, the State will be imposing this on many more Christians who oppose it based on Biblical Doctrine.
- And finally, that it is a slippery slope. Once we begin to disregard foundational tenets of the scripture, we will open ourselves to other groups in the future claiming the same rights. Pedophiles come to mind here.

I could go on and on. I must read more about the Doctrines. Above I have paraphrased according my understanding of what I read. If I'm mistaken anywhere, please let me know.

One of my arguments (and sincere beliefs) has been that the a church wasn't really clear on this issue. Poof!! There goes that one. So now I'm left wondering... The Church Doctrine is clear about contraception, homosexuality, celibacy (Catholic) and many other things. They base this all on scripture. The Books of the Bible were agreed upon and are taken by the Church as the authority. What does that leave us with in terms of argument? Some examples:

1. To reject the Christian stand on homosexuality is to reject Christianity as a whole. We cannot for example reject Paul as an Apostle (this is a very serious discussion that is on-going) and therefore his Epistles and still claim to be Christian. We MUST ACCEPT the whole Bible as Inspired. To reject any part is to reject the whole.
2. Homosexuals could continue to do their thing in private and make do with the existing laws that protect all people from harm. (Bullying is bullying, murder is an offense, etc).
3. While in hiding, homosexuals can continue to go to Church and repent their sins just like all other Christians who continually sin. For example those who take birth control and priests who have families and/or lovers. Definitely those who are unmarried and have sexual relationships (fornicators) and the married folks who have sex as an expression of their love. (Hmmm... That covers almost everybody really!)

In other words, follow the rules, or pretend to follow them. Whatever you do, do not attempt to change them. But haven't these very rules been changed in the past? What do you all think?
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Go ask the Muslims why they hate homos,then get back to me.
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I was hoping a Muslim would contribute to this discussion.
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My country has been in the news for wanting to kill homosexuals. The facts are:

1) A single Member of Parliament drafted a Private Member's Bill that called for all manner of things against homosexuals. It isn't a government position.

2) Most Ugandans could care less about this Bill or about who is homosexual since it doesn't affect their daily lives.

3) A certain group of homosexual organizations have taken it upon themselves to "educate" children here about the what, how and why of homosexuality. In response, certain Christian groups and parents have launched a counter campaign.

I'm hetero. I have a couple of homosexual friends. I don't really like to think about what they do and I'm not comfortable with tv series where men kiss men. Being a woman, I'm repelled by the idea that a woman will hit on me. So personally, I wouldn't tell my kids that homosexuality is an option.

Does that mean we should discriminate against them? Should we be bullying them? Are they morally bankrupt compared to heteros? I don't think so. Most rape, pedophelia and deviant non consensual sex is committed by heterosexuals. So if someone is gay or lesbian, it doesn't mean that they are automatically deviant. Judging by some people's hatred, you would think they have never met a gay man or lesbian. If you know any, you'd find that they are human beings like the rest of us. In fact, if you found your son is gay, you'd quickly discover that this is more complicated than simply labeling them deviant.

The only thing that points to homosexuality as being immoral is Religion. But it also states a number of things that are immoral but that we "allow" to happen. Adultery, fornication, lust, envy....you name it. Where do we get off "hating" homosexuals? How do we justify giving this "sin" more weight than the others? If the wages of sin...is death, then we are all doomed, homosexual or not. We are all sinners. How are we different from homosexuals?
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hey stupid cunt

1 if homos left alone to do what they do, the human species would end

2 fagg sex is against the laws of nature

3 the asshole is an exit only orafice, designed to eliminate human waste, NOT DESIGNED TO ACCEPT A COCK

4 that waste has deadly bacteria in it

5 seman does not belong in the asshole
or the mouth

6 how romantic that to smell the aroma of your "love" as shit fills the air loaded with seman lube and the stench of a rubber

faggotry is an abomination, and a selfish self serving fad, new new form of demonology!
FAGGOTRY, Adultery, fornication, lust, envy....you name it.

LET THE FAGS DO WHATEVER THEY WANT, WE SHALL NOT "JUDGE" FOR FAGGOTRY AND THAT MEANS FINAL CONDEMNATION....IE PHYSICAL PUNISHMENT
BUT THEY ARE NOT EQUAL TO HETROS, THATS WHY THEY ARE CALLED HOMOS.
THEY ARE MORALLY 1 STEP BELOW HETROS.....PERIOD.
HOW CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND
THEIR IS AN ORDER OF FUCKED UP THINGS HUMANS DO
MURDER
PEDOPHILE
RAPE
BEASTIALITY
FAGGOTRY
ADULTRY
THIEF
LIER
LUST, PROMISCUITY

LESBOS ARE FUCKED UP BADLY, THEY RUN AROUND WITH FAKE RUBBER COCKS ACTING LIKE A MAN
ONE LEZZY LOOKS LIKE A MAN, ACTS LIKE A MAN

THE STICK GOES INTO THE HOLE, IT IS THE LAW OF EXISTANCE, IT WAS MADE THAT WAY.
THE PUSSY WAS MADE FOR THE COCK TO ENCASE THE COCK AND PLEASUE IT SO MUCH THAT IT SHOOTS SEMAN INTO IT AND ROLL THE DICE MAYBE HIT AN EGG IN HER AND MAKE A BABY

THE ASSHOLE WAS MADE TO ELIMINATE SHIT, NOT ACCEPT A COCK

ASSHOLE PLEASURE IN A MAN IS A TWISTED BEHAVIOR DEFECT, NEVER HERD OF A MAN OR MEN GETTING HARD ONS AND BLOWING A LOAD WHILE DROPPING A TURD OUTTA THEIR ASSHOLE
FOR WOMEN, FUCK THAT THEY ARE FUCKED UP ANYWAYS. THEY ARE PLEASURE GIVERS AND SEEKERS, THEY WILL JAM ANYTHING UP OR IN THEM HOLES FOR PLEASURE, MONEY, CONTROL.

SO STFU, GET REAL
THERE ARE NO GAYS AND LESBIANS ALL THEM CUTE NAMES PROMOTE THE AGENDA AND BEHAVIOR/ILLNESS!
THEY ARE HOMO/HOMA SEXUALS
CALLING THEM FRIENDS AND YOU REPEL AND DO NOT CONDONE THEIR FAGGOTRY......YER A HYPOCRIT AND PROMOTE THEIR AGENDA/BEHAVIOR/ILLNESS
WOULD YOU HANG AND BE FRIENDS WITH
MURDERER
PEDOPHILE
RAPIST
BEASTIALITY PRACTICER
FAGGOTRY
ADULTERER ON YOU OR A FRIEND OF YERS
THIEF
LIER, CONMAN, SCAMMER
LUST, PROMISCUITY

IM SORRY BUT MY LIE OR ME CUSSING AND HAVING A SMOKE AINT AS BAD AS ONE WHO SUCKS AND TAKES A COCK IN THE ASSHOLE AND PROCLAIMS IT, LOVE OR LUST
LOVE AND LUST IS A VERY SELF ABSORBED IRRATIONAL EMOTION.


TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE!
GET REAL!
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A life and death agenda... Yes, it is. You do realize that people have lost life and limb because they are gay, right? Those of us who do no harm to others don't realize that there some who will commit hate crimes of varying levels and that such incidents are always happening.
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Yet it is a tiny fraction of the millions slaughtered by AIDs and STDs and other negative lifestyle choices that plague homosexuals.

We reap what we sow. Homo's have not found a way to avoid this axiom of God's. The moral cretins who are promoting the degeneration of society have no compassion whatsoever for homos. They want the deaths and the suffering for both homos and the societies that encourage their behavior.

Each death is a sacrifice to their demonic God. This is yet another reason christians must oppose the normalization of bad behavior. As the Bible says,

"Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil".
 Quoting: SevenThunders


Are you saying there is some sort of conspiracy to use the existence of homosexuality to break down the family structure and thereby organized society? Please elaborate.
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My country has been in the news for wanting to kill homosexuals. The facts are:

1) A single Member of Parliament drafted a Private Member's Bill that called for all manner of things against homosexuals. It isn't a government position.

2) Most Ugandans could care less about this Bill or about who is homosexual since it doesn't affect their daily lives.

3) A certain group of homosexual organizations have taken it upon themselves to "educate" children here about the what, how and why of homosexuality. In response, certain Christian groups and parents have launched a counter campaign.

I'm hetero. I have a couple of homosexual friends. I don't really like to think about what they do and I'm not comfortable with tv series where men kiss men. Being a woman, I'm repelled by the idea that a woman will hit on me. So personally, I wouldn't tell my kids that homosexuality is an option.

Does that mean we should discriminate against them? Should we be bullying them? Are they morally bankrupt compared to heteros? I don't think so. Most rape, pedophelia and deviant non consensual sex is committed by heterosexuals. So if someone is gay or lesbian, it doesn't mean that they are automatically deviant. Judging by some people's hatred, you would think they have never met a gay man or lesbian. If you know any, you'd find that they are human beings like the rest of us. In fact, if you found your son is gay, you'd quickly discover that this is more complicated than simply labeling them deviant.

The only thing that points to homosexuality as being immoral is Religion. But it also states a number of things that are immoral but that we "allow" to happen. Adultery, fornication, lust, envy....you name it. Where do we get off "hating" homosexuals? How do we justify giving this "sin" more weight than the others? If the wages of sin...is death, then we are all doomed, homosexual or not. We are all sinners. How are we different from homosexuals?
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hey stupid cunt

1 if homos left alone to do what they do, the human species would end

2 fagg sex is against the laws of nature

3 the asshole is an exit only orafice, designed to eliminate human waste, NOT DESIGNED TO ACCEPT A COCK

4 that waste has deadly bacteria in it

5 seman does not belong in the asshole
or the mouth

6 how romantic that to smell the aroma of your "love" as shit fills the air loaded with seman lube and the stench of a rubber

faggotry is an abomination, and a selfish self serving fad, new new form of demonology!
FAGGOTRY, Adultery, fornication, lust, envy....you name it.

LET THE FAGS DO WHATEVER THEY WANT, WE SHALL NOT "JUDGE" FOR FAGGOTRY AND THAT MEANS FINAL CONDEMNATION....IE PHYSICAL PUNISHMENT
BUT THEY ARE NOT EQUAL TO HETROS, THATS WHY THEY ARE CALLED HOMOS.
THEY ARE MORALLY 1 STEP BELOW HETROS.....PERIOD.
HOW CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND
THEIR IS AN ORDER OF FUCKED UP THINGS HUMANS DO
MURDER
PEDOPHILE
RAPE
BEASTIALITY
FAGGOTRY
ADULTRY
THIEF
LIER
LUST, PROMISCUITY

LESBOS ARE FUCKED UP BADLY, THEY RUN AROUND WITH FAKE RUBBER COCKS ACTING LIKE A MAN
ONE LEZZY LOOKS LIKE A MAN, ACTS LIKE A MAN

THE STICK GOES INTO THE HOLE, IT IS THE LAW OF EXISTANCE, IT WAS MADE THAT WAY.
THE PUSSY WAS MADE FOR THE COCK TO ENCASE THE COCK AND PLEASUE IT SO MUCH THAT IT SHOOTS SEMAN INTO IT AND ROLL THE DICE MAYBE HIT AN EGG IN HER AND MAKE A BABY

THE ASSHOLE WAS MADE TO ELIMINATE SHIT, NOT ACCEPT A COCK

ASSHOLE PLEASURE IN A MAN IS A TWISTED BEHAVIOR DEFECT, NEVER HERD OF A MAN OR MEN GETTING HARD ONS AND BLOWING A LOAD WHILE DROPPING A TURD OUTTA THEIR ASSHOLE
FOR WOMEN, FUCK THAT THEY ARE FUCKED UP ANYWAYS. THEY ARE PLEASURE GIVERS AND SEEKERS, THEY WILL JAM ANYTHING UP OR IN THEM HOLES FOR PLEASURE, MONEY, CONTROL.

SO STFU, GET REAL
THERE ARE NO GAYS AND LESBIANS ALL THEM CUTE NAMES PROMOTE THE AGENDA AND BEHAVIOR/ILLNESS!
THEY ARE HOMO/HOMA SEXUALS
CALLING THEM FRIENDS AND YOU REPEL AND DO NOT CONDONE THEIR FAGGOTRY......YER A HYPOCRIT AND PROMOTE THEIR AGENDA/BEHAVIOR/ILLNESS
WOULD YOU HANG AND BE FRIENDS WITH
MURDERER
PEDOPHILE
RAPIST
BEASTIALITY PRACTICER
FAGGOTRY
ADULTERER ON YOU OR A FRIEND OF YERS
THIEF
LIER, CONMAN, SCAMMER
LUST, PROMISCUITY

IM SORRY BUT MY LIE OR ME CUSSING AND HAVING A SMOKE AINT AS BAD AS ONE WHO SUCKS AND TAKES A COCK IN THE ASSHOLE AND PROCLAIMS IT, LOVE OR LUST
LOVE AND LUST IS A VERY SELF ABSORBED IRRATIONAL EMOTION.


TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE!
GET REAL!
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My dear,

What Church do you go to? Which Bible do you read? If you have an opinion, state it. Capital letters and foul language will get you nowhere...except on the paved road to prison.

Such rage! Such hatred! Blind fury... What did homosexuals ever do to you?
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When fellow Christians in the USA start paying attention to the entire Bible instead of just picking out a few verses to make their point while simultaneously ignoring our constitutional rights in this country, maybe I'll start caring more about their culture war. Give to the poor, but don't mind me I'm just flying around in my mega-church private jet. Gay marriage is an abomination, but 1/2 of Christian weddings end in divorce. Jesus is the prince of peace, so let's bomb Israel's enemies even though supposedly God will protect them but just to be sure lets bomb Iran. Keep the government out of my business, but make sure to regulate marriage because everyone knows that taking something like this to court would NEVER mean a Federal Government power grab to regulate marriage. "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help protect marriage".

Just define marriage for Civil purposes as between two consenting adults, which leaves out animals, children, and polygamy, and stop clogging up our courts with your statist BS. Using the government to enforce your morality on others at the point of a gun is a key component of socialism, and the religious right is being willingly lead around by their noses while the Constitution is shredded a little more by the Globalists each day. Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and keep religion a private choice or don't be surprised when Obama or whoever else is USA president in the future starts sending IRS agents into churches to make sure everything is legal and you've paid your marriage tax to DC. You know, to keep traditional marriage safe. LOL.

Seriously though, the whole gay thing is an IQ test. If you think being gay is immoral, then don't marry a dude. Leave the government out of religious marriage and let them have civil marriage. Instead of joining religious marriage under the jurisdiction of the federal government, where the morality of it is guaranteed to be compromised in the name of political correctness.

Christians like me are free to live a traditional Christian life in the USA. They can send their kids to religious schools and keep religious beliefs with like minded people, keep them away from too much TV and internet and socialist propaganda, and so on if they choose to. If gay people demanded the right to be married in my local church, I'd stand with the church because gays have no right to enforce their civil lifestyle on private religious institutions. The reverse of that, of course, is that private religious institutions have no right to enforce their lifestyle on the civil society at large, including gay people, so I stand with homosexuals on civil marriage rights. Religious institutions are going to continue to define marriage as man and woman, and that's fine with me. But making sure the love of your life can visit you in the ICU, has access to your benefits, can't be fired or proselytized to on the job for being openly gay, and so on should be enforced by CIVIL law. Either we are all equal under Civil law, or not. There should be no discrimination exceptions for homosexuals, or for anyone else.

*Insert random out-of-context Bible verse here*
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The separation of Church and State. You're saying that homosexuals must have their rights under State Law but to be Christians must follow Biblical Law. That is the middle ground position that those who think have taken. After all, there are many Churches and Religions and one can belong to one that doesn't discuss sexual activities.

This issue is being put to the vote everywhere. This means people will vote as individuals and according to their beliefs. I think gay people are lobbying Christians because of the numbers. If you have a huge number of Christians voting based on Biblical Doctrine, then chances are they will never be allowed same sex marriage, adoption, domestic partner rights, etc.

You are able to separate issues clearly. Most Christians can't or simply won't. I see myself as many things. A mother, a woman, a Ugandan, a Christian among other things. As a mother, a Ugandan I would vote for gay rights. But which comes first? Which is the priority identifier? A Christian? It is as a Christian that things get tricky for many.

Have you read the Catholic Church's doctrines about this? See earlier posts. Interesting read.
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My country has been in the news for wanting to kill homosexuals. The facts are:

1) A single Member of Parliament drafted a Private Member's Bill that called for all manner of things against homosexuals. It isn't a government position.

2) Most Ugandans could care less about this Bill or about who is homosexual since it doesn't affect their daily lives.

3) A certain group of homosexual organizations have taken it upon themselves to "educate" children here about the what, how and why of homosexuality. In response, certain Christian groups and parents have launched a counter campaign.

I'm hetero. I have a couple of homosexual friends. I don't really like to think about what they do and I'm not comfortable with tv series where men kiss men. Being a woman, I'm repelled by the idea that a woman will hit on me. So personally, I wouldn't tell my kids that homosexuality is an option.

Does that mean we should discriminate against them? Should we be bullying them? Are they morally bankrupt compared to heteros? I don't think so. Most rape, pedophelia and deviant non consensual sex is committed by heterosexuals. So if someone is gay or lesbian, it doesn't mean that they are automatically deviant. Judging by some people's hatred, you would think they have never met a gay man or lesbian. If you know any, you'd find that they are human beings like the rest of us. In fact, if you found your son is gay, you'd quickly discover that this is more complicated than simply labeling them deviant.

The only thing that points to homosexuality as being immoral is Religion. But it also states a number of things that are immoral but that we "allow" to happen. Adultery, fornication, lust, envy....you name it. Where do we get off "hating" homosexuals? How do we justify giving this "sin" more weight than the others? If the wages of sin...is death, then we are all doomed, homosexual or not. We are all sinners. How are we different from homosexuals?
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One "sin" is not greater than another...father is more concerned about the condition of your heart than what you do with your dangly bits and pieces.
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It's great to know that Adam wasn't deceived by Satan and that you women through Eve were "in transgression". How do you believe this rubbish?
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Eve may have transgressed first, but maybe Adam shouldn't have blamed God for giving him the woman in the fist place:

Gen 3:12: And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
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Yep, that Adam sure was a real man...

He was the one warned directly by GOD

Genesis 2:16-17 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.


So of course the man transgressed ... he defied GOD's direct order to him, and then blamed the woman.

How do women believe this rubbish?

How did Paul get it so wrong?

Amazing!

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My Bible, the KJV, is pretty clear about who transgressed. It was Adam!!! Read Gen 3. When The Lord found out Adam and Eve knew they were naked, He asked Adam (not Eve) if he had eaten the fruit of the tree which He had specifically commanded him not to do. Then He asked Eve what she had done! He didn't say that she had disobeyed him.

When stating their punishment, He told Adam in Verse 17 that he would suffer all sorts of things because Adam listened to his wife rather than The Lord who had clearly instructed him (Adam).

How the Church for centuries managed to make women feel like second class citizens is based on a clear and deliberate misinterpretation of the Bible. The Lord clearly blamed Adam for violating His commands. Eve may have been an excuse (she made me do it) but the action was entirely Adam's choice.

It makes you wonder what else is being misinterpreted.

spock
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Homosexuals infringe on the majority to destroy democracy and are part of a larger Marxist agenda.
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how does homosexuality destroy democracy and what does it have to do with marxism? please explain if you can.
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Lord Jesus said Judge not lest you bejudged

He also said that anybody who has Hate in his heart will not see Heaven

We all should all pray for each other, not judge or condem one and another.

I wish aliens would really attack Earth, I bet everybody would forget the hate, racism, and all the other shit and come togather too fight the aliens, and forget our differences real fast

Also it says in the Bible "We all have fallen short according to Gods glory'

Peace to all!
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When fellow Christians in the USA start paying attention to the entire Bible instead of just picking out a few verses to make their point while simultaneously ignoring our constitutional rights in this country, maybe I'll start caring more about their culture war. Give to the poor, but don't mind me I'm just flying around in my mega-church private jet. Gay marriage is an abomination, but 1/2 of Christian weddings end in divorce. Jesus is the prince of peace, so let's bomb Israel's enemies even though supposedly God will protect them but just to be sure lets bomb Iran. Keep the government out of my business, but make sure to regulate marriage because everyone knows that taking something like this to court would NEVER mean a Federal Government power grab to regulate marriage. "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help protect marriage".

Just define marriage for Civil purposes as between two consenting adults, which leaves out animals, children, and polygamy, and stop clogging up our courts with your statist BS. Using the government to enforce your morality on others at the point of a gun is a key component of socialism, and the religious right is being willingly lead around by their noses while the Constitution is shredded a little more by the Globalists each day. Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and keep religion a private choice or don't be surprised when Obama or whoever else is USA president in the future starts sending IRS agents into churches to make sure everything is legal and you've paid your marriage tax to DC. You know, to keep traditional marriage safe. LOL.

Seriously though, the whole gay thing is an IQ test. If you think being gay is immoral, then don't marry a dude. Leave the government out of religious marriage and let them have civil marriage. Instead of joining religious marriage under the jurisdiction of the federal government, where the morality of it is guaranteed to be compromised in the name of political correctness.

Christians like me are free to live a traditional Christian life in the USA. They can send their kids to religious schools and keep religious beliefs with like minded people, keep them away from too much TV and internet and socialist propaganda, and so on if they choose to. If gay people demanded the right to be married in my local church, I'd stand with the church because gays have no right to enforce their civil lifestyle on private religious institutions. The reverse of that, of course, is that private religious institutions have no right to enforce their lifestyle on the civil society at large, including gay people, so I stand with homosexuals on civil marriage rights. Religious institutions are going to continue to define marriage as man and woman, and that's fine with me. But making sure the love of your life can visit you in the ICU, has access to your benefits, can't be fired or proselytized to on the job for being openly gay, and so on should be enforced by CIVIL law. Either we are all equal under Civil law, or not. There should be no discrimination exceptions for homosexuals, or for anyone else.

*Insert random out-of-context Bible verse here*
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The bolded parts are what essientially make me pro-LBGT rights.

Where I live gay marriage has been legal now for over a decade, and nothing has changed for me as a straight person. I don't suddenly see gay people everywhere, gay people aren't having buttsex in the town squares so why should I care?
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It's great to know that Adam wasn't deceived by Satan and that you women through Eve were "in transgression". How do you believe this rubbish?
 Quoting: Amazed Continually! 1190661


Eve may have transgressed first, but maybe Adam shouldn't have blamed God for giving him the woman in the fist place:

Gen 3:12: And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26033707


Yep, that Adam sure was a real man...

He was the one warned directly by GOD

Genesis 2:16-17 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.


So of course the man transgressed ... he defied GOD's direct order to him, and then blamed the woman.

How do women believe this rubbish?

How did Paul get it so wrong?

Amazing!

lolsign
 Quoting: Amazed Continually! 1190661


My Bible, the KJV, is pretty clear about who transgressed. It was Adam!!! Read Gen 3. When The Lord found out Adam and Eve knew they were naked, He asked Adam (not Eve) if he had eaten the fruit of the tree which He had specifically commanded him not to do. Then He asked Eve what she had done! He didn't say that she had disobeyed him.

When stating their punishment, He told Adam in Verse 17 that he would suffer all sorts of things because Adam listened to his wife rather than The Lord who had clearly instructed him (Adam).

How the Church for centuries managed to make women feel like second class citizens is based on a clear and deliberate misinterpretation of the Bible. The Lord clearly blamed Adam for violating His commands. Eve may have been an excuse (she made me do it) but the action was entirely Adam's choice.

It makes you wonder what else is being misinterpreted.

spock
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Absolutely Nef... It is amazing.

But then for Paul to use that falsehood as a justification in the further oppression of women is unbelievable.

1 Timothy 2:11-14 “Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.”


Poor little Adam was deceived twice, once by a stray snake and the other time by those vicious, hateful, deceitful women. 1rof1

But his other argument is a gem also... Men came first...

Why didn't he just say... "afterall women are only a rib". 1rof1

Of course the Churches ran with Paul's falsehoods entirely.

Women were oppressed for nearly another 2000 years by this one man's words.

Has the penny dropped yet ladies?

You have been had! And in clear and plain sight.

Wakey! Wakey!

lolsign

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