Christians, Why hate Homosexuals? Are you any different?

I'm not so sure about that being true about Jesus' words. Afterall he changed laws of "an eye for an eye" to "turn the other cheek", so what else might he have altered that wasn't reported in the 4 gospels.

I have great trouble believing the OT laws are from GOD. Mosaic laws are Sharia Law and I just can't believe that GOD would allow such things as

The cutting off of hands Deuteronomy 25:12 Then you shall cut off her hand, your eye shall not pity her.

Selling kids into slavery Exodus 21:7 "When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are.

Or the animal sacrifice laws of Leviticus, and the other horrid laws judging women.

Even the 10 commandments have a major flaw and Moses showed it up himself and used the loophole.

Deuteronomy 21:18-21 "If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear."

Moses changes "stubborn and rebellious" by adding "a glutton and a drunkard", thereby bearing FALSE WITNESS!

Moses is teaching people to break the 9th Commandment.

Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

Why would GOD think it is fine to bear false witness against a relative, thereby getting the son stoned to death! He states clearly "against thy neighbour".

See it doesn't make any sense.

GOD the most intelligent being ever, missed this point in the 10 commandments? Surely GOD would say "Do not bear false witness against anybody"!

I have spoken to homosexuals and they say they just new that they were different from as early as they can remember. They were attracted to their own gender only.

So if that is the case then "it is natural" and I will not discriminate against them or anyone ever.

Sorry gotta dash.

Last time I noticed, plumbing doesn't have a heart, emotions, feelings, etc. What a dumb comment!

WOW! OUCH! That hurt... Is that the best insult you can throw at me?

Telling me where to stick it just oozes Christianity... GOD will be so proud of you...

So now you have dropped your guard and showed your true colors let's see what other teachings you are failing.

Are you sure of the accusation you are making?

Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. FAIL!

Are you judging?

Matthew 7:1-5 "Do not judge others...." FAIL!

Are you bringing peace with your words?

Matthew 5:9: "Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God." FAIL!

Are you being merciful? FAIL!

Matthew 5:7 "Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy." FAIL!

Are you entitled to cast the first stone? FAIL!

John 8:7: So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

Who does heaven belong to? You might qualify here...

Matthew 5:3 "Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."

Are you turning the other cheek?

Matthew 5:39 "But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." FAIL!

Are you angry at me?

Matthew 5:22 "But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire." FAIL!

Sorry to have to remind you of some of Jesus' teachings you may not be following but he also said

Mark 10:31 "But many that are first shall be last; and the last first."

It's tough being a Christian with rules like these, BUT they are in your Bibles, instructed by Jesus himself, and they must be followed to call yourself a Christian. Mustn't they?

I'm pleased that you showed your true colors so I could correct you.

I turn the other cheek... my ass has two after all - Jesus will be so proud of me...

I'm amazed that you don't know the true meaning of the word Church... But hey you don't seem to know much else so I'll put it down to lack of edumcationalistaion...

You are a funny one.

Um you have misrepresented this verse to suit your own ends...

Surely Peter saying that would have made you question your understanding.

If Jesus is GOD then how could Peter say that and mean what you have interpreted? He spent most of his time with Jesus.

Jesus respected most people, it was just the Pharisees, Sadducees, Teacher's of the Law, false teachers and money changers in the temple he showed disrespect to.

More likely it means "God doesn't show favouritism".

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But that too is problematic if Jesus is GOD.

According to John that is wrong.

Get ready to be shocked.

John 13:23-26 Then the disciples looked one on another, doubting of whom he spake.

Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.

Simon Peter therefore beckoned to him, that he should ask who it should be of whom he spake.

He then lying on Jesus' breast saith unto him, Lord, who is it?

If you were to only read till verse 24 you might think it was Mary on his bosom. BUT, when verse 26 is stated it states "HE" which could mean Peter, or someone else.

Now again, because of the lack of detail in this verse this could mean Mary or another disciple.

John 21:20 Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee?

Who was the disciple that JESUS loved? I thought he loved them all. It appears to be a male.

John 20:1-2 The first (day) of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.

Strange happenings indeed!

John 21:7 Therefore that disciple whom Jesus loved saith unto Peter, It is the Lord. Now when Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he girt [his] fisher's coat (unto him), (for he was naked,) and did cast himself into the sea.

There definitely appears to be a disciple whom JESUS loved more than the others. Well according to John any way. Why would it be referenced if it means nothing?

John 21:20-21 Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee?

Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what (shall) this man (do)?

The problem is it keeps referring to "the disciple whom JESUS loved.

So did Jesus/GOD show favoritism? And if what these verses seem to be saying, does that make what Peter said in Acts 10:34 untrue?

More to consider!

I had to take some time out to think about this. I know about the argument by some that the God of OT and the God of NT are two different Gods based on how He acts. The laws in Leviticus, the orders to annihilate whole cities including women and children, the killing of children to force the release of Jews from Egypt, etc. it all doesn't seem like the loving God Jesus told us about. As a Christian, I really have a hard time believing this. I simply can't. It would mean the destruction of the foundation of Christianity.

So yes, I see your argument. I wonder too why, if homosexuality is a sin, some are born with this inclination? Personally I'm not satisfied with the idea that we cannot and should not question God. That's ridiculous. The Father Jesus told us about told us to seek, to ask and to believe before seeing. Well, I believe there is an answer. I don't know what it is but it's there. We just have to search.

Now while we search, I really don't feel comfortable with Christians using the Scriptures as justification for hatred of homosexuals. It just doesn't make sense. While I have plenty of friends who find the Scriptures acceptable and who do not question whether or not they make sense, I'm not like that. It is my belief that I am meant to understand. That I am meant to hear and see the sense should I so wish.

Those who have ears and those who have eyes.... One priest told me that I am intentionally refusing to see and hear. That I have little faith. He quoted Christ to me..."Oh ye of little faith..." But I felt like he'd given me the standard blow off that those who are at a loss of words give others. Basically saying that something is wrong with me if I don't get it. Well, the God that I'm 100% sure exists would never forsake me or any of his creation in the same manner. Need I say more? The basis of Christianity is that God loved us so much he sacrificed his only Son. That means He loved me and every other sinner out there. So there is a contradiction when we pick out homosexuals (whose "sin" is obvious and visible) to be the only category that we will not accept.

We have accepted thieves. We find it in our Hearst to forgive them. We have accepted fornicators, we forgive them too. Adulterers, malicious and envious people. All we ask of them is to repent and then we assume they've changed for the better. The difference with homosexuals is that they are saying they don't want to hide anymore. They are tired of pretending they are not homosexual. They are telling us that this is not as clear as stealing, committing adultery, fornicating, etc.

Amazed,

I forgot to respond to something. Yes, Jesus did change the Law somewhat. For one thing he told us the priority laws, so to speak. He summarized the Law into two things. Love God and love your neighbor. The question is how to apply this change to homosexuals.

Hi Nef, you are right to question things because afterall GOD gave you a questioning mind.

GOD is omniscient! Therefore he knows all things past, present and future! His omniscience meant that GOD knew that we would "eat of the fruit" thus making us knowleageable.

He wouldn't have put the tree there, knowing we would eat, if he hadn't meant us to eat.

BUT you aren't questioning GOD.

You are questioning the Bible and the horrendous things it says about GOD. You are questioning the lies told about GOD in churches. You are questioning the garbage believed by so called followers.

ANYTHING THAT UNDERMINES GOD'S LOVE AND OMNISCIENCE IS WRONG!

So when a priest says you lack faith he is wrong, and fails a simple test. You have a greater aim than simplistic faith... keep going.

Did some ancient tribes allegedly throw virgins into volcanoes to appease the volcano GOD?

Did they have belief in the volcano GOD? YES! Did they have faith? YES! Did they have faith & belief that their actions and prayers would work? YES!

Were they correct? NO!

So faith and belief are really at the kindergarten end of spirituality. It is your knowleage and understanding that will drive your spirituality.

GOD gave us an analytical mind. As it is a gift from GOD I think GOD would want us to use it fully!

Now back to the homosexuality issue. Nobody really has to think too hard on that topic.

All Christians have to do is simply accept people are different. They should stop calling it a sin. They should stop the oppression.

Homosexuals could assist by acting less flamboyantly and being a little less over the top. I don't want to see men and women kissing and all over each other everywhere I go. I also don't want to see homosexuals kissing and all over each other wherever I go.

If we all just stepped back and were reasonable there would be know problem.

What happens in the bedroom is private and should stay in the bedroom.

For your own sake... Don't let anyone close down your analytical mind. GOD gave it to you so cherish it and use it!

Lastly, when studying the Bible, learn to STOP at parts that just don't sound GODly. If in your analysis "GOD wouldn't agree with something" you will usually be correct!

Place verses relating the same events together on a word document and compare the discrepancies. I showed that in the Passover comments I made here.

Thread: Christianity is PAGAN. (Page 4)

All these believers who take the Bible as absolute fact are actually failing GOD.

GOD doesn't condone infanticide, mass murder, ethnic cleansing, cutting off hands, rape, stoning, slavery, war crimes or any other atrocities.

It is that simple!

I have put many links to many of my posts in a few posts on this thread. If you have the time please read them. Hopefully you will understand why I explain things the way I do.

Thread: Have you Noticed an Infestation of the demonic lately here on GLP? (Page 2)

My advice to you... KEEP THINKING! YOU ARE ALREADY FURTHER ADVANCED THAN OTHERS WHO WILL CRITICIZE YOU!

GOOD luck!

Thanks, Amazed. I will definitely read those threads. Still going through the Paul one.

I stumbled on thread about God's name:

Thread: GOD IS NOT HIS NAME

One of the posters links a discussion by Rabbis in which they define the word "stranger" used often in Leviticus. Someone argues that ALL the Mosaic laws were given specifically to the children of Israel and that we are therefore, as Gentiles, not expected to adhere to them. Strangers are defined as non-Jews who convert voluntarily, and not Gentiles. And truly, God does address the Children of Israel. This makes sense when you consider that Christians eat pork, or aren't prohibited from doing so. It makes sense when you realize that we don't follow the Kosher laws, or circumcise our boys at 6 days old. Christians practically ignore most of the laws laid down in Leviticus. Scavengers of the bottom of the sea = shellfish. We eat shrimp, prawns, lobster and crab.

Why is this interesting? What has it got to do with homosexuality?

Firstly, Jesus said He did not come to change the law. But who was He talking to exactly? The Pharisees and his followers, Jews. As such, this means that homosexuality laws in the OT are specific to Jews. This statement by Jesus doesn't change the target audience - the children of Israel.

So if one ignores OT laws on homosexuality, this leaves us with only Paul. Paul was addressing Gentiles in his letters but from what standpoint? In other words, what was Paul referencing if not the existing laws in Leviticus and other OT books? Paul sets out to provide a practical basis upon which Christians can live their lives. He "explains" what Jesus meant. But he had to reference the old laws for he had nothing else to base Jesus' teachings on.

If modern day Rabbis are of the opinion that those very laws were specifically for Jewish people, then Paul basically exported what he wanted (or what made sense to him) from the Torah. After all, as a Pharisee, Paul was seriously educated in Jewish Doctrine. But these "strangers" Paul addressed were not converts of Judaism!!! They never voluntarily converted!!! Therefore they were not, are not and shall never be subject to Mosaic Law. (By the way, when Moses took the Jews out of Egypt, many non-Jews went with them. Those strangers had to voluntarily convert and then follow the law eg. Passover rituals precisely for them to become Jews. It was those "strangers" God kept referring to and explains how they come under the law in the OT.)

So what did Jesus say on the matter of homosexuality? Nothing, if it is true that we, Gentiles, do not fall under the law as Jews do. (I need to explore this further of course. And I would welcome any counter arguments). Paul's teachings on this issue, while still valid for the Jew, are being taken out of context. The more I read about Paul, the more I'm beginning to see him as a real person who in a bid to spread the good news may have been over enthusiastic and flawed. Just like modern day evangelists, it is quite possible and even probable that Paul interpreted things in own way and therefore is not to be taken as wholesale truth. Unlike Peter and the other disciples who actually quoted Jesus' own words, Paul never spoke or met the man. Simply stating that he had visions cannot qualify Paul, especially when some of what he says isn't in line with Jesus' own teachings.

Note: I tried to discuss this with a friend yesterday. She told me that when we study the Bible we will find lots of loopholes. But then she seemed to suggest not studying these things too much. So thanks for the encouragement. It is rare to find people who actually question what they are being taught and who don't feel farther from God because of this. And yes, it is the Bible that I'm questioning, our traditional interpretation that makes me uncomfortable, not the existence of God.

How do you know this exactly?

Well if that is the case so are

Women who wear any clothes that could be said pertaineth to a man

Deuteronomy 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so [are] abomination unto the LORD thy God.

OOps women, no slacks, no shirts, no shoes, no sandals, no socks, no belts, no hats, OOPS women mat as well be naked...

Now men you can't wear dresses, should we kill all Scottish men.. A kilt might be considered a dress to a man who wears pants..

Deuteronomy 25:16 (But) thou shalt have a perfect and just weight, a perfect and just measure shalt thou have: that thy days may be lengthened in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

For all that do such things, (and) all that do unrighteously, (are) an abomination unto the LORD thy God.

So every human who has done anything wrong, making themselves unrighteous are abominations also. Any one righteous enough to be a non-abomination?

Human sacrifice is an abomination to the Lord... and rightly so...

Deuteronomy 12:31 Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.

OOPS no it isn't, sorry I spoke too soon

Judges 11:30-31 And Jephthah vowed a vow unto the LORD, and said, If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands,

Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD'S, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering.

Now who should come from the doors of the house on his return but his only child, his daughter!

Judges 11:34 And Jephthah came to Mizpeh unto his house, and, behold, his daughter came out to meet him with timbrels and with dances: and she (was his) only child; beside her he had neither son nor daughter.

So did he go through with the burnt offering sacrifice to the LORD? He sure did!

Judges 11:39 And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her (according) to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel,

Why didn't GOD say "NO it is OK" I don't need your daughter as a human sacrifice?

Proverbs 6:16-19 These six (things) doth the LORD hate: yea, seven (are) an abomination unto him:

A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

A false witness (that) speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

How dare you show a proud look when you are proud of doing something wonderful.

Show me a person who says they haven't lied, (using their tongue), and I'll show you a liar. We are all abominations.

Those people who write or make films using their wicked imaginations are abominations.

BUT wait MOSES is also an abomination

Deuteronomy 21:18-21 "If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear."

Moses changes "stubborn and rebellious" by adding "a glutton and a drunkard", thereby bearing FALSE WITNESS!

Moses is an abomination.

I think I have made my point... So if everyone has lied and been unrighteous then we are all abominations as well.

Shucks!

Those darn loopholes Nef... What your friend is saying without realising it is "That God wasn't clever enough to exclude loopholes in what believers call the inerrant GOD's word".

Amazing!

I'll get back to you on the other stuff... I was expecting some criticism of you on this post and I'll show you where later.

I agree with you.. but remember we are questioning whether believers hate and discriminate against homosexuals, and in questioning we are also questioning false teachings and indoctrination.

Beware... a believer armed with no knowledge...

Do you know the most common accusation levied against Christians by Muslim clerics? They say we change our beliefs according to our needs. They cite the numerous translations of the Bible to the point that we have several interpretations at variance with each other. They accuse us of being the worst kind of fundamentalists who historically attempted to annihilate entire people's in the name of Jesus. They also say that we completely distorted who Jesus was and what he represented. That we continually mess up His message.

My standard response is that the Crusades happened a long time ago. Granted many a man used Christianity for his own purposes, so I ask them to explain to me why in the world they are being extremist in the 21st century? But even so, they have a point. We pick and choose what to believe, which Biblical rules to follow according to what? How many Christians actually read the Bible for continuity rather than some verses that have been chosen purposefully to explain a concept? It used to be that one needed to know Latin and how to read and write to understand it. So we all depended on the clergy. Those days are gone but people just won't read it for themselves.

People should read the Bible, the whole Bible and then pray and ask for guidance. And one must ask the clergy what it is they learn in Theology. it is amazing how many of the "miraculous" events are practically debunked. Ask somebody who spends hours and hours studying this stuff. Did Moses perform the miracles in Egypt? That's a great starting point. (And a great thread, LOL).

I think the true mark of a Christian is one who acknowledges that there are "loopholes". One who searches for wisdom but continually admits that while he/she may know much, they actually know nothing. That is the seeker's approach. The opposite is to be like a sheep. There but for the Grace of God go I...springs to mind.

Yes, I am very much different. I am no sodomite.

I doubt that he/she can hear you and process what you're saying. In fact I would bet my life on it. Sadly, there are categories of human beings whose very lives depend on such people "understanding" things. How can someone put the words "Lord" and asshole in the same argument and claim to be Christian? Honestly, it is ridiculous how little people know and comprehend simple rules.

DO NOT JUDGE, LEST YOU BE JUDGED

Matthew 7:1-2
1Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

Romans 2:1
You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.


1 Corinthians 4:5
Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God.


DO NOT TAKE THE LORD'S NAME IN VAIN.


"God was saying for them not to use His name like the nations used the names of their gods. He did not want them to use His name to invoke false authority behind pronouncements. In essence, God did not want the Israelites to say that He said something that He had not said."

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Nam, what exactly did God say? What did Jesus say?

And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female (Matt. 19:4)

Gays and gay sympathizers charge God, Jesus, the living Word (John 1:1, 14) with "labeling them." All the wicked, lying antichrists (i.e. all deniers of Jesus Christ, 1 John 2:22), pedophiles, murderers and such like charge God with this.

According to God, engaging in homosexuality is a particularly egregious perversion of God's holy creation.

Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? (Rom . 9:20)

God says engaging in homosexuality is a vile (Rom 1:27), profane (1 Tim 1:10) abomination (Lev 18:22, 20:13) that will preclude inheritance of the kingdom of God (1 Cor 6:9), and bring the wrath of God upon society (Jude 1:7).

A follower of Christ is to tell practicing homosexuals God's truth in love, but without shame (Mark 8:38). The wicked find God's truth to be 'discriminating.'

For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. (John 3:20)

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Wow! You certainly are great at throwing accusations around, I hope you aren't bearing false witness by calling people antichrists...

I wonder what repercussions accusing people of being antichrists falsely are?

Have you never sinned? You are very rare!

John 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

Perhaps you should remove the mote from your own eye first.

Luke 6:42 Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye.

So where does your hate and bigotry come from? GOD or you?

The wrath on society never happened. There was a lot of homosexuality in Paul the Oppressor's time, so is Paul lying?

Why did you misrepresent this verse... Are you a liar or just a deceiver?

Mark 8:38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.

Where does Jesus say to tell "God's truth in love" to homosexuals, oh person who hasn't sinned?

What generation? There have been many generations since Jesus.

Why are you twisting the BIBLE to suit your bigotry?

Hang your head in shame. Jesus never gave you permission to call people antichrists!

Any sins to report oh perfect one?

I do not hate you, I hate the sin, don't ask me to say it is alright I will not do it. It is a sin just like every other sin. It is between you and God, so quit making it all us and no you.

I am sorry if people want to hurt you, that would be as big a sin a yours.

Are you talking to me?

I'm not gay... I just defend any minority or any person against believers who are in breach of their own standards that they require of others.

You are right... all sin is between GOD and the person, however is homosexuality a sin?

Mad Moses would have a woman stoned for not having blood on her sheets after a wedding night. Is this really what GOD approved. It is insane and unintelligent!

I have asked homosexuals about this. As I knew I was heterosexual from my earliest memories, they too know they are attracted to their own gender from their earliest memories.

That being the case... How can believers judge their feelings as sin, and my feelings as NOT sinful.

If they feel that way from their earliest memory it is natural, as my & your heterosexuality is natural.

If it is natural, it can't be a sin. It is NOT a choice!

That is why Christians who judge homosexuals are hypocrites.

That is why I point this out to them. They judge it as sin, and yet they too have sinned but judge that far less harshly.

In that judgement they also discriminate and oppress. They are just too dumb to realise it!

first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. (Matt. 7:5)

I'm not a practicing homosexual, and therefore have a duty to preach (2 Tim. 4:2-5, Ezek. 33:8) against this "vile" (Rom. 1:26-27) "abomination" (Lev. 18:22, 20:13)...God's words, not mine (Mark 8:38)

This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith (Tit. 1:13)

I have set before thee this day...good...and evil (Deut. 30:15)

Ye that love the Lord, hate evil (Ps. 97:10)

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. (Lev. 18:22)

Knowing this, that the law is...made for...the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane...for them that defile themselves with mankind (1 Tim. 1:9-10)

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither...effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind...shall inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Cor. 6:9-10)


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if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. (Ezek. 33:8)

question is, will you still have that grin on your mug when you stand before Jesus Christ, your Creator at judgment (2 Cor. 5:10)

Are you a typical uninformed zealot?

I asked

I wonder what repercussions accusing people of being antichrists falsely are?

Have you never sinned? No answer!

But you replied

first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

So are you saying you are now without sin? Don't lie now, your GOD is watching. Where did Jesus say you can call people "antiChrist"?

Scared to answer? Start back on that beam, you missed it!

I also asked

Where does Jesus say to tell "God's truth in love" to homosexuals, oh person who hasn't sinned?

You didn't reply?... Gee I wonder why.

But you will quite happily quote Mad Moses and Paul the Oppressor.

Who do you follow JESUS or these two corrupt men?

Jesus didn't teach any of what you quote from Paul and Moses.

It wasn't a grin, I was laughing at your incompetence in GODly matters.

I`m a christian and I dont hate gay people, I just want them to know that gay sex is a egoist sin, please gays, repent, cut your penis off or reject sex, pray the lord to help you cause gay sex is a devil trap, please brothers wake up!!!

I would like to know...when did simply disagreeing with someone became "hate"?

This.

Why not?

God, Jesus Christ is the living Word of the entire Bible (John 1:1, 14), and followers of Christ are to preach the Word (2 Tim 4:2-5)

God, the Word convicts all deniers of Jesus as lying antichrists (1 John 2:22)

You'll be able to preach your own private gospel, grin and all, right to God's face when you stand before Christ at judgment

You persist with your antics because you don't actually believe you'll be held accountable

Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. (Gal. 6:7)

For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing (Eccl. 12:14)

But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation. (Mark 3:29)

There you go again... You can't quote where Jesus said these things can you?

You can quote Paul, You can quote 1 John but can you quote Jesus.

Paul didn't preach "the WORD" he oppressed women.

Show me where JESUS preached what Paul preached about women!

You are not preaching "the WORD" you are preaching Bible Babble.

Who has blasphemed against the Holy Spirit? Why do you bear false witness? Why do you type lies?

You aren't very good at this Christianity stuff, are you?

Why do you tell me what I believe and what I don't believe? You are not entitled to assess me. You are NOT QUALIFIED!

You are a lowly, pathetic believer, who hasn't analysed anything. You own words condemn you.

You believe the entire Bible is GOD's word and yet Satan's words are in it also.

Are Satan's words GOD's words?

As you believe your GOD approves of Infanticide, rape, murder, animal and human sacrafice, ethnic cleansing, war crimes, torture, stoning, slavery and other atrocities.... you know NOTHING!

YES! That's right, those things are all a part of your "the WORD" and you insult GOD by believing it.

Who is the blasphemer now?

Back to Bible 101 for you!

Anything that undermines GOD's love and omnicience is wrong!

As your knowledge and beliefs do that also YOU ARE WRONG!

I defend loving, omniscient GOD against people like YOU!

HANG YOUR HEAD IN SHAME!

Who really hates who?

This is such a Naive question. The heading doesn't say ALL Christians - it poses a very relevant question.

If you have the ability try putting yourself in the position of a homosexual.

What would you think of being called a sinner, an abomination, and told you will be going to hell all the time.



I have detailed why Moses and Paul can't be trusted on many threads.

Jesus was silent about homosexuality.

If you study the Bible we are all abominations... so why are homosexuals singled out by supposedly "loving Christians".

Even though I rarely quote Paul... Paul is correct in the Romans and 1 Corinthians below

Romans 2:1 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.

If only he had taken his own advice..

AND

1 Corinthians 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God.

Notice he now seemingly allows people to judge but ONLY at the appointed time. Jesus disagrees with this - we are not to judge.

But I don't think he was saying that... He is saying "Don't judge".

So Op isn't accusing every Christian of hate... He just worded it that way because many are so condescending towards homosexuals, that it certainly appears like hatred.