Christians, Why hate Homosexuals? Are you any different?

Yes, genuine christian heteros do not engage in these acts, if they have in the past due to the relentless promotion in the lamestream media, they should have repented and turned away from them, otherwise they are like a dog returning to it's vomit. These acts are condemmed.

True Christians don't hate anyone! We are to love the person, but hate the sin. That's includes all sin, not just homosexuality

How do I know what is a sin? The Bible is clear on that. The Ten Commandments outline what not to do, therefore those acts are sins. In the case of homosexuality, both the Old and New Testament have very specific and clear verses concerning this.

Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

Now if I choose not to believe in the Bible, then the verses above don't matter. But I do, as a Christian. So they do matter. Did God come down and talk to me about this? No, he didn't.

Who defines sin? The Bible does. Is it fair to homosexuals? That, I think, is the question that the High Order Churches (Catholic, Anglican, Orthodox, etc) are grappling with. How should they treat the verses above plus the others in the Bible that clearly condemn homosexuality. Should they view them as outdated? Were they possibly written for a particular audience in a particular time?

Even to the most loving Christian, homosexuality is a very complicated subject. A thief when they repent, also agrees to stop stealing. An adulterer must also agree to stop poaching on another's spouse. A murderer must stop killing. But as you rightly pointed out, those are sins that negatively and directly harm someone else. Is homosexuality the same? Should the sin of homosexuality be at par with theft, murder, adultery?

I have my views of course but this is getting long.

Pretty simple
gays have a totally different set of priorities that are in direct opposition to straight life and societies perpetuation

They dont have a need for schools other than as a source of young lovers
they dont have concerns for saving for a future generation, they live in the right now and fear the future,
They have no need for limits and rules, their private practices are focused especially on breaking them, often intentionally in front of others with no interest in being involved, ie they have a cultural need for outraging breeders.
They have no reason to conserve, they worship consumption and luxury to extremes and risks to themselves and others.
They have no need for religions of any sort, because they cant abide restrictions for their kinks are all about intentionally ignoring them,
And in the end, since they gene rate no family to support them in their old age, they seek to subvert govt benefits designed to support FAMILIES who've supported and sacrificed to perpetuate society, into providing cash and benefits first and foremost for gays which have provided nothing for their own support and tend to disable themselves and infect themselves at a disproportionate rate compared to straights.


They may nob be intentionally evil, but they are poison and cancer to the longevity of any civilization, and have never been granted equal rights in any pagan or christian culture.
Its one thing to be born gay, and another to act out as gay.

when humans pervert laws of nature there are consequences!!

and

P.S. the majority of christians believe the eternal laws were abolished so yes, Christians pervert it TOO!!

and that is our downfall ....the laws were given for health and prosperity ....

if we followed the eternal laws/laws of nature we would prosper

That goes for both sides though......who are we exactly to judge a couple that loves each other and desires sex? It should not be an issue, gay or not.

I am a believer and personally do not know any Christians who espouse hatred for gays .
There is a gay person that I am quite fond of , he is a great guy .
It gets challenging inside for me because I do resent the way it is being shoved down our throats and it is unnatural for a society and will eventually be a factor in its demise as in the past .
The Bible has some strong words against homosexuality as well as other sins.

True Christians don't hate anyone! We are to love the person, but hate the sin. That's includes all sin, not just homosexuality

I'm a Christian and like others have absolutely No hate or hard feelings against homosexuals because of their illness. I Do hate how they bully everyone else. Aka redefining agrriage, boy scouts, and the rest of that Crap.

oh Please, dont bother trying to associate transient gay lusts for love. I know more about your kind than you think.
Transient hookups dont count as love, bathhouses and public toilets dont count as love. This is no different between gays and straights, its just most straights eventually grow up, and gays stay little boys until they die, usually unloved and alone.
Love, as intended is rare enough among straights, and relatively nonexistant among the immature emotional state that gays have, basically imagining that their desire and lust is real love.
When living in an arrested narcissist state, love isnt involved, at least not mature, enduring, forgiving and sacrificing love that's needed for proper child rearing.

OK so let’s show people why Christians are deceitful and wrong on homosexuality.

Let’s get rid of the stupid choice argument first.

If homosexuals choose to be homosexuals then you must have chosen to be heterosexual. I knew I was heterosexual from the first time I was attracted to females. I was never attracted to males! But you can’t use that argument because deep down you believe homosexuality is a choice.

So, seeing you hold the choice argument true - Please describe in detail what you did to choose to be heterosexual? Did you test drive someone of your own gender? Do you still have these feelings but suppress them to be heterosexual? Have you told your wife?

So lesson 1 is heterosexuals and homosexuals don’t choose their sexuality. And if they don’t choose it - it is natural! The only people who may have a choice are bi-sexual people.

Now let’s get onto the oppression that Christians use against homosexuals.

Whilst thinking let me remind you of a couple of relevant quotes from Jesus for you to keep in the back of your minds, if your minds are up to that much pressure.

Matthew 20:16 So the last will be first, and the first last. For many are called, but few chosen.

I put this first because you should beware… Your arguments here might just be the straw that puts you into the fiery lakes that you are all so keen to threaten on others.

So in your criticisms of homosexuality you are breaking two key foundational teachings of Jesus

Matthew 7:1-5 "Judge not, that ye be not judged....."

John 8:7 "…let he who has not sinned cast the first stone…."

Delude yourselves if you wish, BUT, you are breaking these two explicit instructions. That is of course, unless you are perfect, and haven’t sinned.

No I didn't think so!

So have any of you not sinned? Can you say in your heart of hearts you never judged?

Haven’t you just failed Christianity 101?

Now to the bits in the Bible that people quote at homosexuals, and why you should be very careful.

I know Moses was a mass murderer who practiced all manner of evils against others, justifying it as “from GOD”, but GOD doesn't condone infanticide, mass murder, war crimes, rape, slavery and other atrocities does he?

Be careful of your answer here. If you believe Moses was following GOD's instructions then you are calling GOD a mass murderering, scumbag.

Now to Moses' rubbish laws on this subject.

Leviticus 18:22: "You shall not lie with a male as those who lie with a female; it is an abomination."

Leviticus 20:13: "If a man lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination and they shall surely be put to death."

These might be fine if it wasn't for the other crazy laws of MOSES. Like this one

Deuteronomy 22:20-21 2 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:

Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.

Stoning a woman who doesn't bleed on her wedding night? Come on now, this is crazy. This means GOD knows nothing about the woman's body, he designed. A woman's hymen can break for many reasons, other than sex. Is GOD this dumb?

Do you really believe GOD is this unintelligent!

Are you accepting he designs a woman and doesn't understand the physiology? Are you believers this dumb?

But also if you choose to believe and oppress homosexuals because of these passages why aren't you checking female's bed sheets and punishing them still? Why aren't you keeping slaves, killing witches etc.?

These things are too stupid for a loving GOD to accept...

I could list many other rules by Moses that couldn’t have come from GOD, but these is enough for now.

Now people also quote JESUS where he says

Matthew 15:18-19 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

Done any of these?

Come on even the best of us have done this

Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Anyone here still not sinned?

For you to start ranting on homosexuality… you are judging. WARNING! Do not judge.

For you to waffle on about their sin you are pretending to be without sin. How can you be so hypocritical? How dare you cast the first stone?

BUT here is the verse that your hatred of homosexuality and the oppression of these people really destroys.

John 13:34 "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another"

Why can’t you be honest?… You hate homosexuals!... Don't you? If you believe homosexuality is a sin, you look at their sin as worse than your own. Don't you?

Honesty is still a Christian trait isn’t it?

Reply to SC 1969693:

The boy scouts is a privately owned organization.
There have been many gays on the scouts my eagle gay eagle scout among them. And the Only ones making an issue are those thinking they are Special Bullying this Privately Owned organization into changing. We see it Every day if there is no issue then why make it one?
It's. First ammendment right to refuse service to Anyone and Christian or not this gay agenda is getting on most peoples .last nerve.
Leave is alone aka Stop yer Bullying and we will do likewise and we can all het along

This is where politicians and the liberal progressive agenda are incorrect. Homosexuality is not a human rights issue, it is a morality issue.

Starting a thread, based on and perpetuating a lie, disqualifies anything else you have to say on the matter. Try being honest with people, for once.

My whole point in asking that was just to illustrate that man is who defines what is sin, it's not God that does it. How can we really know what God thinks? How do we know what we are being told is true?

Christians discriminate against homosexuals because they need someone to oppress.

They don't know their BIBLES well enough to know that it is totally wrong to oppress anyone.

They love throwing the guilt trip on homosexuals because it makes them feel superior.

They pick and choose anything that suits their bigotry.

Sad but true!

No offence to people who do what they do. Do what you like in the privacy of your own place...............If it don't hurt you then enjoy the experience....But me being of somewhat of a mechanical mind I would only have one thing to add to this discussion.........

Things are designed for a reason. There are one way valves, and there are receptive valves............

Some things are meant to fit certain things. Most things work as nature intended. Nature and the natural order of things are just they way they are.....

I;m trying to not be offensive here but I will state what I have come to notice................

Babies wear nappies............Men do not...

Once A man, twice a child, does have nothing to do with societal mechanics.

So many Christians hate homosexuals, that's a fact. I have met so many of them. Most of them are incapable of articulating their reasons.

Amazed, do you know the bad thing about quoting the Bible? One can find anything to justify one's point of view. Earlier I responded to a poster with the first Leviticus quote. If this subject were only handled in the OT, it would have been easier (for certain reasons) to say it was outmoded. Kind of like the rest of Leviticus which says we are not to eat shellfish, nor meat that hasn't been slaughtered in a certain way. You know, Old Jewish customs.

There are also NT verses. Jesus himself didn't comment on homosexuality as far as I know. In fact he advocated loving people as you want to be loved. But Paul... Yes, Paul was clear. There is an argument though that Paul having been a Pharisee, still thought in terms of Mosaic Law. If true, this would mean that he was still speaking in context of Jewish Customs.

I can see you know your Bible. I think the Church must deal with this issue decisively from a doctrinal point of view. For example, Paul also told women to cover their heads and sit separately from men. Christians don't. At least none that I know of. The Church is at the forefront of the anti-gay movement. Yes, it's the lower order churches mostly but in Africa, the High Order Churches have completely refused to allow not only gay clergy (which I think is their right) but have also now stepped into gay rights in the State. Seeing as many people in Africa are Christians, the Church's position is of paramount importance. For those who don't believe, I guess it may be easier to come to a decision.

So if Christians are deceitful on the issue of homosexuality, is Christian Doctrine also being deceitful?

Congratulations OP... Finally someone has admitted the truth... Many Christians hate homosexuals.

BUT what makes it worse is that they lie to themselves on the topic. They deny that hatred and yet it is obvious.

Churches actually don't have a problem with homosexuality... they have made it a problem. They just need to have someone to oppress.

Most churches and believers oppressed women for centuries, but, once they woke up on that, they kept oppressing homosexuals.

Can one be any more cowardly than to oppress a minority group and to oppress someone who is different?

Could there have been homosexuals listening to Jesus' sermon on the mount? Did he oppress them?

Believers who hate homosexuals or oppress them are failing Christ. It is that simple!

Now on your last question... YES! Christian doctrine is deceitful. It relies too heavily on Moses' and Paul's demonstrably wrong teachings.

Thankfully, Christianity doesn't follow the false doctrines of men as much these days. Most don't follow Paul's teachings on women. Most don't follow the false teachings of Moses.

However, they just can't leave homosexuals alone. They have to continually snipe at them, breaking their own doctrine.

The Bible is a flawed document that often undermines the love and omniscience of GOD.

Here read my analysis on Lot...

Thread: Should American Christians support or reject Gay Marriage? (Page 5)

or Moses and fidelity and terminations

Thread: What’s With The Bible?

ENJOY!

Christians discriminate against homosexuals because they need someone to oppress.

They don't know their BIBLES well enough to know that it is totally wrong to oppress anyone.

They love throwing the guilt trip on homosexuals because it makes them feel superior.

They pick and choose anything that suits their bigotry.

Sad but true!

Sorry OP ... Did you say you believe in the Bible?

Really? I thought you were supposed to believe in GOD?

Then you quote Paul, when it suits you...

What about oppressing women again, then?

Paul orders it!

Here read my posts on this thread.

Thread: Was Paul - aka Saul of Tarsus - a False Apostle? (Page 13)

Do you really believe in the BIBLE?