Christians, Why hate Homosexuals? Are you any different?

Religious morans

no independent thought, just endless assumptions of what they think God thinks. they think some heavily bastardized book has all the answers if they can interpret it literally.

guess what morans, your GOD is actually an alien bastard. And this "God" AKA Jehovah/Saturn is also Satan, Lucifer, the evil one. ever wonder why human beings are forced to worship - no matter what - it's always something. this is because this being lives off your power.

He plays both sides, light and dark. As above so below. Democrats and Republicans. Pepsi and Coke. McDonalds or Burger King. One of these days you'll figure this out, but in the mean time enjoy your delusions, psychotic fucks

And your argument is why I think the Church needs to come out clearly on this from a Doctrinal point of view. Most people are not concerned with what happens after dark, between four walls. It is none of their business. Most people find all this talk of gay rights scary and don't want their kids exposed to it. Most people would rather the whole discussion is dropped immediately.

But it looks like that isn't going to happen. So we need to ask why? Why are the gay lobbyists fighting for these rights? If truly we left them alone and never bothered them, why are they bothering us? It turns out that they are NOT being left alone. Some people are bullying them, harming them, denying them peace. It may not be very visible and most many not even report the abuse. But how many Matthew Shepards do we need before we do something? What about those victims who are not outright killed? It seems to me that the gay agenda is being pushed by people who want to be free to express themselves. In my country, no one, gay or hetero, can have sex in a public place without facing immediate arrest. So I don't think gays want to be able to be lewd in public. They just don't want to hide anymore.

A life and death agenda... Yes, it is. You do realize that people have lost life and limb because they are gay, right? Those of us who do no harm to others don't realize that there some who will commit hate crimes of varying levels and that such incidents are always happening.

Go ask the Muslims why they hate homos,then get back to me.

Yet it is a tiny fraction of the millions slaughtered by AIDs and STDs and other negative lifestyle choices that plague homosexuals.

We reap what we sow. Homo's have not found a way to avoid this axiom of God's. The moral cretins who are promoting the degeneration of society have no compassion whatsoever for homos. They want the deaths and the suffering for both homos and the societies that encourage their behavior.

Each death is a sacrifice to their demonic God. This is yet another reason christians must oppose the normalization of bad behavior. As the Bible says,

"Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil".

When fellow Christians in the USA start paying attention to the entire Bible instead of just picking out a few verses to make their point while simultaneously ignoring our constitutional rights in this country, maybe I'll start caring more about their culture war. Give to the poor, but don't mind me I'm just flying around in my mega-church private jet. Gay marriage is an abomination, but 1/2 of Christian weddings end in divorce. Jesus is the prince of peace, so let's bomb Israel's enemies even though supposedly God will protect them but just to be sure lets bomb Iran. Keep the government out of my business, but make sure to regulate marriage because everyone knows that taking something like this to court would NEVER mean a Federal Government power grab to regulate marriage. "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help protect marriage".

Just define marriage for Civil purposes as between two consenting adults, which leaves out animals, children, and polygamy, and stop clogging up our courts with your statist BS. Using the government to enforce your morality on others at the point of a gun is a key component of socialism, and the religious right is being willingly lead around by their noses while the Constitution is shredded a little more by the Globalists each day. Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and keep religion a private choice or don't be surprised when Obama or whoever else is USA president in the future starts sending IRS agents into churches to make sure everything is legal and you've paid your marriage tax to DC. You know, to keep traditional marriage safe. LOL.

Seriously though, the whole gay thing is an IQ test. If you think being gay is immoral, then don't marry a dude. Leave the government out of religious marriage and let them have civil marriage. Instead of joining religious marriage under the jurisdiction of the federal government, where the morality of it is guaranteed to be compromised in the name of political correctness.

Christians like me are free to live a traditional Christian life in the USA. They can send their kids to religious schools and keep religious beliefs with like minded people, keep them away from too much TV and internet and socialist propaganda, and so on if they choose to. If gay people demanded the right to be married in my local church, I'd stand with the church because gays have no right to enforce their civil lifestyle on private religious institutions. The reverse of that, of course, is that private religious institutions have no right to enforce their lifestyle on the civil society at large, including gay people, so I stand with homosexuals on civil marriage rights. Religious institutions are going to continue to define marriage as man and woman, and that's fine with me. But making sure the love of your life can visit you in the ICU, has access to your benefits, can't be fired or proselytized to on the job for being openly gay, and so on should be enforced by CIVIL law. Either we are all equal under Civil law, or not. There should be no discrimination exceptions for homosexuals, or for anyone else.

*Insert random out-of-context Bible verse here*

Don't bother praying for me... I can do that for myself... TY

PLUS you probably pray wrongly anyway...

Now I am sure it was just a typo but there are actually 4 gospels. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

So why can't you understand what Paul is shouting at everyone. He is shouting something Jesus never taught!

Why did you bear false witness against me? I'm not in any misery...

OOPS you failed again. It's OK most do.

Or with that are you saying commandments can be ignored when it suits?

See that is why the average joe shouldn't preach the Gospel... They don't know it well enough...

Most people are in Kindergarten level of the Bible. Some may listen and learn, whilst the others will just plod on merrily ill informed.

Oh here about the Gospels... You would think they would be accurate, wouldn't you?

Here read my quotes on this thread.

THE PASSOVER - Thread: Christianity is PAGAN. (Page 2)

So much to learn, so little time...

Yep, that Adam sure was a real man...

He was the one warned directly by GOD

Genesis 2:16-17 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

So of course the man transgressed ... he defied GOD's direct order to him, and then blamed the woman.

How do women believe this rubbish?

How did Paul get it so wrong?

Amazing!

Oh boy! Thanks for the links. Has anybody else looked at these? The Catholic Church has clearly studied this matter and came to a conclusion as early as December 1974. In brief:

- the inclination towards homosexuality is not a sin but a disorder.
- committing homosexual acts is a sin
- man was created male and female to reflect the duality of God (in Our image)
- the sexual act is an act of giving life. Therefore sex for entertainment, homosexual sex and any sex not including procreation is in violation of the purpose it was meant for. (Did I get that right?)
- the Bible has been consistent in its views on homosexuality (here they cite Leviticus, Paul's Epistle's and Timothy)
- the Church must not condone vile acts against homosexuals and should embrace them as members
- Homosexuals must understand that the Bible calls on them to be chaste. Basically this is their cross to bear. We all have crosses.
- that to be a Christian is to sacrifice certain things in order to gain eternal life. So if that sacrifice is one's homosexuality, then it is worth it.
- that there is a group within the Church that is pushing for the recognition of homosexuality in State laws. That this group includes Christians who know homosexuals personally and who believe they are being "loving".
- that what Christians need to understand is that by the State legalizing homosexuality, the State will be imposing this on many more Christians who oppose it based on Biblical Doctrine.
- And finally, that it is a slippery slope. Once we begin to disregard foundational tenets of the scripture, we will open ourselves to other groups in the future claiming the same rights. Pedophiles come to mind here.

I could go on and on. I must read more about the Doctrines. Above I have paraphrased according my understanding of what I read. If I'm mistaken anywhere, please let me know.

One of my arguments (and sincere beliefs) has been that the a church wasn't really clear on this issue. Poof!! There goes that one. So now I'm left wondering... The Church Doctrine is clear about contraception, homosexuality, celibacy (Catholic) and many other things. They base this all on scripture. The Books of the Bible were agreed upon and are taken by the Church as the authority. What does that leave us with in terms of argument? Some examples:

1. To reject the Christian stand on homosexuality is to reject Christianity as a whole. We cannot for example reject Paul as an Apostle (this is a very serious discussion that is on-going) and therefore his Epistles and still claim to be Christian. We MUST ACCEPT the whole Bible as Inspired. To reject any part is to reject the whole.
2. Homosexuals could continue to do their thing in private and make do with the existing laws that protect all people from harm. (Bullying is bullying, murder is an offense, etc).
3. While in hiding, homosexuals can continue to go to Church and repent their sins just like all other Christians who continually sin. For example those who take birth control and priests who have families and/or lovers. Definitely those who are unmarried and have sexual relationships (fornicators) and the married folks who have sex as an expression of their love. (Hmmm... That covers almost everybody really!)

In other words, follow the rules, or pretend to follow them. Whatever you do, do not attempt to change them. But haven't these very rules been changed in the past? What do you all think?

I was hoping a Muslim would contribute to this discussion.

Are you saying there is some sort of conspiracy to use the existence of homosexuality to break down the family structure and thereby organized society? Please elaborate.

The separation of Church and State. You're saying that homosexuals must have their rights under State Law but to be Christians must follow Biblical Law. That is the middle ground position that those who think have taken. After all, there are many Churches and Religions and one can belong to one that doesn't discuss sexual activities.

This issue is being put to the vote everywhere. This means people will vote as individuals and according to their beliefs. I think gay people are lobbying Christians because of the numbers. If you have a huge number of Christians voting based on Biblical Doctrine, then chances are they will never be allowed same sex marriage, adoption, domestic partner rights, etc.

You are able to separate issues clearly. Most Christians can't or simply won't. I see myself as many things. A mother, a woman, a Ugandan, a Christian among other things. As a mother, a Ugandan I would vote for gay rights. But which comes first? Which is the priority identifier? A Christian? It is as a Christian that things get tricky for many.

Have you read the Catholic Church's doctrines about this? See earlier posts. Interesting read.

One "sin" is not greater than another...father is more concerned about the condition of your heart than what you do with your dangly bits and pieces.

My Bible, the KJV, is pretty clear about who transgressed. It was Adam!!! Read Gen 3. When The Lord found out Adam and Eve knew they were naked, He asked Adam (not Eve) if he had eaten the fruit of the tree which He had specifically commanded him not to do. Then He asked Eve what she had done! He didn't say that she had disobeyed him.

When stating their punishment, He told Adam in Verse 17 that he would suffer all sorts of things because Adam listened to his wife rather than The Lord who had clearly instructed him (Adam).

How the Church for centuries managed to make women feel like second class citizens is based on a clear and deliberate misinterpretation of the Bible. The Lord clearly blamed Adam for violating His commands. Eve may have been an excuse (she made me do it) but the action was entirely Adam's choice.

It makes you wonder what else is being misinterpreted.

how does homosexuality destroy democracy and what does it have to do with marxism? please explain if you can.

Lord Jesus said Judge not lest you bejudged

He also said that anybody who has Hate in his heart will not see Heaven

We all should all pray for each other, not judge or condem one and another.

I wish aliens would really attack Earth, I bet everybody would forget the hate, racism, and all the other shit and come togather too fight the aliens, and forget our differences real fast

Also it says in the Bible "We all have fallen short according to Gods glory'

Peace to all!

The bolded parts are what essientially make me pro-LBGT rights.

Where I live gay marriage has been legal now for over a decade, and nothing has changed for me as a straight person. I don't suddenly see gay people everywhere, gay people aren't having buttsex in the town squares so why should I care?

Absolutely Nef... It is amazing.

But then for Paul to use that falsehood as a justification in the further oppression of women is unbelievable.

1 Timothy 2:11-14 “Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.”

Poor little Adam was deceived twice, once by a stray snake and the other time by those vicious, hateful, deceitful women.

But his other argument is a gem also... Men came first...

Why didn't he just say... "afterall women are only a rib".

Of course the Churches ran with Paul's falsehoods entirely.

Women were oppressed for nearly another 2000 years by this one man's words.

Has the penny dropped yet ladies?

You have been had! And in clear and plain sight.

Wakey! Wakey!

"Homosexuality" isn't "Gay" "Gay" means "Happy"

Sorry but "Homosexual People are not Happy people"

Christians shouldn't uplift that which is a Sin

It would be a folly to think that one can be a Christian and a homosexual together

"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Matthew 7:22-23

Iniquity is a fancy way of saying: Sin!

Rick Warren and the other ecumenical preachers are wrong.

we can't just all Grab hands and unite in Christ, we also actually need to repent of are Sins because God can't have any use for us if we are STILL practicing Sin.

The first thing the Holy Spirit does is convict a man of what a wicked sinner he/she is, then he/she would plead for forgiveness to Christ that His precious Blood might blot out their transgressions, then He/She would put away Sin forever Hopefully

Hey Amazed,

This Paul issue is pretty serious as you know. Many pastors in lower order churches (that is to say non-traditional ones like Pentacostal) base most of their Bible teaching on Paul's Epistles. They will say "Jesus said..." And in the next breath use Scripture from Paul to further explain what Jesus meant. You know what I mean?

Paul is like the fundamentalist Christian in the Bible. He breaks down everything and has rules for how to live a Christian life. If the book of Paul didn't exist (abstract thinking), how would homosexuality be treated? How would the question of drinking alcohol be treated? How would the question of sex be treated?

I believe that certain things would suffer the fate of the laws in Leviticus. They would be seen as geared strictly towards Jewish culture. Jews don't eat pork, but we do. Why? Paul told us that what goes into the body doesn't defile it but rather what comes out of it. Catholic Priests drink alcohol. They say Jesus turned water into wine and there are other instances where God tells his people to celebrate by feasting and drinking wine in the OT. Protestant priests do not drink. Why? Because Paul said that in whatever you do, do not become a stumbling block for others. That God hates drunkards and so they see this to mean God hates consumers of alcohol.

On the issue of homosexuality, I am not aware of a difference in how different Churches see this. The Catholic and Anglican (which we know is really Catholic) are of one mind. I think that Born Again Churches are too. Is there any church you know that argues the opposite using Biblical Scripture?

I always thought the word "gay" was an undercover word. Can't imagine people walking around calling themselves homosexuals without risking life and limb.

What does Rick Warren say?

Lol.... your characterization of my belief system is evidence of your own delusional psychosis. Sorry, but I laugh. You should maybe seek professional help?

My daughter has several homosexual friends and one day she asked me why I don't like her friends. I asked her if she was willing to spend eternity in Hell for her friends, and if any of her friends were willing to do the same for her. She insisted that she wouldn't go to hell for agreeing with homosexuals.

I reminded her that Jesus said that whatever you hold in your heart, you also hold in your soul. If your soul accepts sin as acceptable, then you accept sin over GOD. I again asked if she was willing to spend eternity in Hell for the sins of her friends, reminding her that just accepting friends is not the sin but accepting their sins as acceptable was. She was less sure as before, but still don't see the connection. I told her that I had several more years on earth to learn from and that she hopefully had even more years, but the length of a life does not determine the chance to prove your soul unless you make that move of your own free will.

The problem is not if a person is a homosexual or not, but rather if they allow that sin to define them upon the presence of GOD. A belief in GOD or not is not necessary to be judged by GOD. Once GOD decries a sin, it is not up to us to call GOD a liar and a bigot for refusing to change GOD's views to suit our own. Refusing GOD because you choose not to accept GOD will not deny you your judgement before GOD.

You still haven't gotten a clue? There are those of us women that uphold what the Bible says about how women should act and behave. Looking at who women act and behave these days, I believe the teachings of Paul. Who wants their little girls to grow up to be whores and sluts like Britney Spears, Beyonce, etc? Seriously.... Let me 'splain somthin', Lucy(Lucifer)... Have you ever read the book of Ruth? Esther? There are many women that are respected in Biblical times... the woman who spilled the expensive oil on Jesus' head, at the supper... Sarah, Abraham's wife. I find it funny how you prattle on and on about how women may themselves perceive their own roles in the lives of their husband and family, calling them wrong, and rubbish... when, YOU, as a self-professed MAN, really have NO business telling other females, other than your own wife, how to live and what they should believe. Believe it or not, there are some of us, and we can start with me, that will tell you, you can shove your lame argument up your ass and have a nice day. And we will pray for you.

I'm still looking around for the church... and since we're not in one, my silence nor subjugation is not required.

Your entire post reeks of misery. And where's the typo in 'The Gospel is commonly referred to as the first 4 books of the New Testament'? In case you didn't know, the Gospel is commonly referred to as the first 4 books as a whole, one Gospel. When someone asks you to read the Gospel, they have you start off with Matthew, then to go through John. In case you didn't know, the Gospel is about Jesus' life here on earth, and His teachings. That is what we're to "preach". In case you didn't know, spreading(or preaching) the Gospel is merely witnessing to others about those 4 books. In case you didn't know, the letters of Paul are not considered part of the Gospel.

You assume too much about people you don't know, that we may or may not pray correctly, and what-have-you. In case you didn't know, one's relationship with Jesus is a private matter, and not everyone's relationship is the same. In my opinion, it seems as if you're the one praying amiss. I'm free to make assumptions based on the words that come from you, for Jesus told us to 'judge righteous judgment'. You're free, of course, to continue to belittle my beliefs, as you've been continually doing along with being amazed, which to me, just sounds as if you're in a state of perpetual childhood, as children are continuously amazed by the world around them... and that totally makes sense, because all of your posts reflect an immaturity that I myself am amazed at. You must be super proud of yourself.

Keep looking for that Church oh indoctrinated one.

Did you get permission from your husband to respond?...lol

Why don't you get the simple fact that you have been had?...lol

I'm not telling you what to believe... More bearing of false witness...

Paul and the Churches did that... Where did Jesus teach the oppression of women that Paul taught?

You aren't very good at this Christianity stuff are you?...

Why would I want you to be silent? I'm against Paul's teachings!

Besides every time you type you actually are agreeing with me and proving me correct.. Was I too subtle for you?

You are ignoring Paul's false teachings without even realising it!

I don't know of any Churches that would welcome homosexuals with no judgement.

They would say you can join but you must stop sinning. As I explained earlier if you knew you were heterosexual from the youngest age then that applies to a homosexual also - so they calling it sin is a judgement.

They can't have it both ways! The choice is a joke!

But also many think you can catch it...

I walked past some homosexuals the other day... I must be pathetically weak... I didn't catch it. This heterosexuality is a curse...

Now of course Paul like all of us did some good things.

He helped spread Christianity to others, but was he truly spreading Jesus' teachings or his own?

Most people who call themselves Christian are really Paulian. They just don't know it. I like you have listened to them blur the lines so easily.

In effect they pay more attention to Paul than the one they call their Christ. Amazing!

They have allowed Paul way too much scope in introducing his pharisaical ways into Christianity. That is where the oppression of women came from.

That is why he said

Acts 23:6 “But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question.”

Most honest Christians admit that they didn't even know that was in the Bible, until I showed it to them.

So much for their study methods.

Great thread though... It has exposed the unGODly thinking of many. Those people who have called you a hoimosexual, just because of your thread, can't really call themselves Christian, now can they.

Interesting. The question would then be, how do you define yourself? If you define yourself as homosexual, then you're a sinner in the presence of God. If you say you don't believe in God, it will not change the fact that you will face judgement. If you define yourself as a thief, then you're a sinner and so on as above.

So what happens to priests who are homosexual but keep it hidden? They pray and repent daily and they definitely don't define themselves as homosexuals. What happens with homosexuals who are torn up about their orientation? There are probably many who battle with this issue. They fall sometimes but then get up, repent and try to abstain until something happens. What do you mean by "define yourself"?

Those people whose only response is to call me gay for starting this thread are welcome here. They prove my original point. There are Christians who hate homosexuals!

Amazed, if we were to go by Jesus' words alone then marriage is between a man and a woman. Sex outside of marriage Is a big no no. Jesus said he didn't come to change one tittle of the Law. So in essence He validated Leviticus in its entirety, right? If we forget about Paul for a moment, do you think the Church can actually find room for practicing homosexuals based on the Gospels?

(I think this is what theologians spend time doing. They ponder these very same questions and study scripture.)

I am catholic and I reserve my hate for animal and child abusers. I would happily throw them off bridges without water at the bottom.