Christians, Why hate Homosexuals? Are you any different?

Thanks for contributing to this debate. Your story is an example of decent human beings who are homosexuals. It seems to me that many people think that someone who is homosexual is very different from a normal person somehow. As if to say, if he is a homosexual, he probably does other bad things too.

Did you do something wrong? When would you have done this wrong thing? In a previous life? Christianity doesn't subscribe to reincarnation. So no, you didn't do something to deserve being ostracized by society because you are attracted to persons of the same sex by default. And that is the question. How do we explain people who are homosexuals from when they were kids? How come they have that inclination from the moment they can think sexual thoughts?

I sincerely believe that homosexuality isn't a choice. If someone says they chose to be homosexual, then they are probably bi-sexual IMO. People tell me that homosexuality has become the new "cool". I disagree. It is not a fad that will disappear with time. It is not fashionable...at least not in my world. The gay couple I know are pretty much like you. One of them is an atheist and grew up without religion but his partner came from a very strict Anglican home. He was and still is torn by the Church's stance on the matter. He, however, gave up on Church. Unfortunately as much as he wants to leave Christians alone, he feels under attack by them nonetheless. I guess it's because of the different campaigns going on. Massive pro-gay and anti-gay campaigns.

Why is that wrong? Because you have been conditioned to say that it is wrong? The fact remains that homosexuals do suffer from gender identity disorder, which is in fact a mental illness. You have been so conditioned to not offend someone, that you refuse to call a spade a spade.

God calls engaging in homosexuality a vile, profane abomination that will preclude inheritance of the kingdom of God and bring the wrath of God upon society.

Christians believe God (Rom. 4:3)

Paul isn't GOD... suprise suprise...

I get flabbergasted by the simplicity of such craziness, and yet you people just don't get it.

Mark 7:7-9 Their worship is a farce, for they teach man-made ideas as commands from God.

For you ignore God’s law and substitute your own tradition.”

Then he said, “You skilfully sidestep God’s law in order to hold on to your own tradition.

Paul was a Pharisee, he oppressed women using Pharasaical law... OR GOD want you to oppress women.

Take your choice!

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listen up you blaspheming witch

the blood of the lamb of God, Jesus Christ, had not been paid yet in the Old Testament

you did not create the heavens, the earth, and all that in them is...God did (Exod. 20:11, Isa. 45:12)

you don't know jack, jill

you don't know how best to deal with demon possessed heathen, or what the ramifications of not eradicating same, including their offspring and possessions, might be before man had the name and blood of Jesus Christ

For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. (Isa. 55:8-9)

your opinion of how a loving God would handle God's creation is not only worthless (Rom. 9:20), but blasphemy (Mark 3:29)

you don't judge God (Isa. 29:16), God will judge you (2 Cor. 5:10)...and I'm glad I'm not you:

So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. (Matt. 13:49-50)

That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (2 Thess. 2:12)

What medical qualifications do you have to justify a falsehood as a fact?

How many years study have you done into homosexuality?

I'm guessing - zero! Hey you are overqualified...

Your comments are as bad as the other ill-informed comments on this thread.

I love the way you say I have been conditioned... When you are the one making a fool of yourself, and pretending you know something.

Do you have the mental disorder of lack of intellect?

You have just proven yourself to be as unknowing as the Christians you would criticise.

Hide! I have sent the white coats around to your place.

WAKE UP!

Perhaps this is a good time to discuss JOB. Sorry Nef I had to teach these poor believers with the double standards.

They seem to keep selling me on the concept that the Bible is correct and GOD believes in Sharia Law and other Mosaic and Paulian falsehoods. They keep trying to sell me on the concept that GOD is evil because the Bible says so!

They certainly have their BIBLE babble down to a fine art... BUT do they ever really analyze what they believe? Do they ever defend GOD? How unintelligent do they think GOD really is?

Let's look at a couple of silly tales for their appreciation and edumacationalisation.

For people's consideration -

THE TEMPTATION OF JESUS

If JESUS is GOD then how can GOD be tempted by the lowly SATAN? Oh according to James he can't!

James 1:13: Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

So how could JESUS/GOD be tempted?

JESUS has just been baptised and GOD speaks so all can hear.

Did JESUS know he was the Son of GOD before the baptism? YES!

Did Jesus know he was the Son of GOD after his baptism? YES! Well he did unless he was blind and deaf!

Matthew 3:16-17 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

So for simplicity lets focus on one of the alleged temptations.

Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

WHAT? JESUS/GOD was tempted? He was offered all the kingdoms of the world by the lowly fallen angel Satan?

Didn't JESUS/GOD create all things? Isn't GOD the master of the Universe?

He already owns them! It's like someone tempting you with the car you already own! Here let me give you 1 cent for your car... Are you tempted? Of course not!

You believers, with your lack of knowledge, lack of logic, lack of analysis and lack of discernment give Satan way too much power.

Please STOP undermining GOD's LOVE AND OMNISCIENCE with this infantile Bible babble.

GOD gave us an inquiring mind, if it is the end times, shouldn't we try using it? Even just a little bit?

Why would JESUS/GOD accept the offer of all the Kingdoms of the Earth when he is the owner and creator of the multiverses?

Is Satan this dumb to think JESUS would accept?

NOW to JOB

Job is a fanciful tale that undermines everything Christians would hold true about GOD, when it suits them, and yet they miss it totally.

It undermines the very intelligence of GOD. It undermines totally the Omniscience of GOD, and it undermines the FREE WILL argument people continue to use as an excuse.

According to this silly tale GOD even offers up JOB to Satan. Is this really how you think GOD operates?

Job 1:8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

I thought JESUS was the only perfect person to have lived... OOPS!

But worse according to this silly tale Satan challenges GOD, (tempts GOD), and GOD takes the bait.

Really? GOD can be tempted by the lowly Satan? Are you sure? Re-read James James 1:13 again so that it sinks in.

Job 1:9-12 Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?

Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.

But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.

And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.

GOD and Satan both know GOD is omniscient don’t they?

So all Satan had to do was ask "Will Job fail?" And GOD being omniscient would tell him NO!

BUT also GOD'S omniscience was also forgotten by GOD apparently!

BUT GOD according to the story you believe isn't intelligent enough to do that and accepts Satan's temptation. AMAZING!

Satan is let loose on JOB, by GOD, and goes straight to work.

Job 1: 13-19 One day when Job’s sons and daughters were feasting and drinking wine at the oldest brother’s house, a messenger came to Job and said, “The oxen were plowing and the donkeys were grazing nearby, and the Sabeans attacked and made off with them. They put the servants to the sword, and I am the only one who has escaped to tell you!”

While he was still speaking, another messenger came and said, “The fire of God fell from the heavens and burned up the sheep and the servants, and I am the only one who has escaped to tell you!”

While he was still speaking, another messenger came and said, “The Chaldeans formed three raiding parties and swept down on your camels and made off with them. They put the servants to the sword, and I am the only one who has escaped to tell you!”

While he was still speaking, yet another messenger came and said, “Your sons and daughters were feasting and drinking wine at the oldest brother’s house, when suddenly a mighty wind swept in from the desert and struck the four corners of the house. It collapsed on them and they are dead, and I am the only one who has escaped to tell you!”

OK we know that some sort of free will exists and we all make choices.

BUT where is the FREE WILL in this story? Why did all these innocent people die? They had no say in anything!

If GOD is loving why did these innocents die?

If GOD is omniscient why did he need to test JOB? He knew the outcome any way.

Come on people please start to think… You continually make GOD out to be unintelligent undermining his LOVE and OMNISCIENCE with your belief in these unintelligent stories.

Why do you empower Satan and undermine JESUS and GOD with this rubbish?

Does your loving GOD really operate like this? Doesn't this story make GOD sound pathetic?

These stories are a farce!

GOD IS NOTHING LIKE THIS!

KEEP STUDYING!

My country has been in the news for wanting to kill homosexuals. The facts are:

1) A single Member of Parliament drafted a Private Member's Bill that called for all manner of things against homosexuals. It isn't a government position.

2) Most Ugandans could care less about this Bill or about who is homosexual since it doesn't affect their daily lives.

3) A certain group of homosexual organizations have taken it upon themselves to "educate" children here about the what, how and why of homosexuality. In response, certain Christian groups and parents have launched a counter campaign.

I'm hetero. I have a couple of homosexual friends. I don't really like to think about what they do and I'm not comfortable with tv series where men kiss men. Being a woman, I'm repelled by the idea that a woman will hit on me. So personally, I wouldn't tell my kids that homosexuality is an option.

Does that mean we should discriminate against them? Should we be bullying them? Are they morally bankrupt compared to heteros? I don't think so. Most rape, pedophelia and deviant non consensual sex is committed by heterosexuals. So if someone is gay or lesbian, it doesn't mean that they are automatically deviant. Judging by some people's hatred, you would think they have never met a gay man or lesbian. If you know any, you'd find that they are human beings like the rest of us. In fact, if you found your son is gay, you'd quickly discover that this is more complicated than simply labeling them deviant.

The only thing that points to homosexuality as being immoral is Religion. But it also states a number of things that are immoral but that we "allow" to happen. Adultery, fornication, lust, envy....you name it. Where do we get off "hating" homosexuals? How do we justify giving this "sin" more weight than the others? If the wages of sin...is death, then we are all doomed, homosexual or not. We are all sinners. How are we different from homosexuals?

To Hate is sin, Christians don't hate ya'll

One of my best friends is probably what you would call gay. He also reads the bible more than any person i know. Like seriously, it is like his hobby, whenever i would walk in to him we would almost always be reading the bible. The bible talks about some men who are "born as eunuchs". Maybe these men are born with out a desire for women. Society calls them gay and tries to make them think its normal to chase after other men. Its not normal.

OUCH! So I am a blaspheming witch now?...

Don't bruise your fingers thumping on your keypad with such venom...

Are you losing the plot? You mean I didn't create everything? I'm not GOD? Really?

Gee I was looking in the mirror the other day and I thought I was GOD... I think I should get a new mirror, it is deceiving me...

How would you deal with demon possessed heathen and how would you eradicate them, their offspring and possessions?

Are you OK? That comment makes you sound a bit unwell.

Have a lie down and breath deeply... Do you need to call a DR?

Look I realise we have disagreed on everything but there is no need to make yourself unwell just to make your point.

I won't address you any longer because you are now saying things that may indicate you need help.

Be well my friend!

Do not worship Jesus. Do not idolize "the way". Ask Jesus directions,follow him and walk "the way" from point A to B, from outside the gate to inside, to meet God the father.

I and my Father are one. (John 10:30)

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; ( 1 Tim 2:5)