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Vietnam vet presumed KIA or MIA found alive in remote jungle

 
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THIS GUYS COMMENT IS HEART RECHING TEARS! biker_vet 7:15 AM on May 1, 2013
He probably did not want to come home because he heard how the United States people treated us when we arrived home. Pretty sad when your commading officer tells you to get out of your uniform as soon as you land on US soil.....I and many many others will never forget the way we were treated when we returned home from a war that we did not want to be part of....Such a shame the army did not allow us to keep our M16.....we could of shed a new light on the wortless us citizens that treated us that way.....sure my eyes water up when a 16 year old girl working at Sonic thanks me for my service because I have my veteran's hat on and because her dad was or is in the service. But she doesn't have a clue.....none of you have a clue.....you had to be there.......I may forgive these stupid scum bag people but I promise you........I will never ever forget!

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THIS GUYS COMMENT IS HEART RECHING TEARS! biker_vet 7:15 AM on May 1, 2013
He probably did not want to come home because he heard how the United States people treated us when we arrived home. Pretty sad when your commading officer tells you to get out of your uniform as soon as you land on US soil.....I and many many others will never forget the way we were treated when we returned home from a war that we did not want to be part of....Such a shame the army did not allow us to keep our M16.....we could of shed a new light on the wortless us citizens that treated us that way.....sure my eyes water up when a 16 year old girl working at Sonic thanks me for my service because I have my veteran's hat on and because her dad was or is in the service. But she doesn't have a clue.....none of you have a clue.....you had to be there.......I may forgive these stupid scum bag people but I promise you........I will never ever forget!

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heart goes out... some of us remember you all every year, for what it's worth, with honor...... we have anzac day.... i'm sure you have yours... the return of the vietnam vets was shameful here, to say the least.....

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Hmmm.. Not sure if this is real. 1dunno1
It would be incredible if it is, though.

By the way, I see what you did with your name, OP!
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U.S. Army Sgt. John Hartley Robertson even has a Vietnamese wife and can no longer speak English.
 Quoting: UTownTrash


Would someone actually forget how to speak their first language? It seems like that would stick with you no matter what.
 Quoting: Dr.Ricks


My ex-wife from east europe started commenting about how she was losing her native language after about 3 years in the US with total immersion in english.

My first 3 years in Mexico I was totally immersed in spanish and did not meet any english speaking person in that time, and by that time was thoroughly thinking, dreaming, etc. in spanish.

Then I started to meet up with a few english speaking people at times, and it was rather difficult for me to switch back to english. Blogging in english has helped but perhaps writing uses a different part of the brain than speaking english.

If I'm not blogging, I still am thinking naturally in spanish, although english is supposedly my first and only language for 40 years.

It is a little difficult for me now to have to speak in english, although I can, but that requires thinking in english first to be really fluent, and since I am so used to thinking in spanish, I find myself when speaking english to first think the thought in spanish and then having to translate, which is not nearly as easy as speaking the language where your thoughts arise from.

If you don't use your native language, you lose it after a number of years.
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Would someone actually forget how to speak their first language? It seems like that would stick with you no matter what.
 Quoting: Dr.Ricks


Can you remember your phone number from 30 years ago?
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313-363-5685 from 1972 - 1981
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Mason.

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HAHAAHHAAHAH

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couldn't imagine having lived through that - looks very interesting op - thanks hf
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These men left behind weigh heavily upon my generation of Americans.

Yes, our government knowingly and purposefully left men behind. More expedient a retreat that way.

Our men in VietNam, Laos, and Cambodia were not abandoned by their fellow airmen, soldiers, or Marines. Our politicians sold them out.
 Quoting: goodmockingbird


And guess which powerful Senator was the driving force between the betrayal AND covering it up?

That's right. Our very own Manchurian Republican-flavored Democrat, John McCain.
 Quoting: The Comedian


I don't like him. Didn't know that about him though, but not surprised. This REALLY ticks me off. Vietnam, the war of my teens, and lost many friends there, mentally and physically. How do these people live with themselves?
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These men left behind weigh heavily upon my generation of Americans.

Yes, our government knowingly and purposefully left men behind. More expedient a retreat that way.

Our men in VietNam, Laos, and Cambodia were not abandoned by their fellow airmen, soldiers, or Marines. Our politicians sold them out.
 Quoting: goodmockingbird




Oh, my. I am a 45 year old Mother of 5. Our oldest is in the Army now, and I tell you that I am ashamed to say that I didn't know this. I had no idea that we left men behind, purposely. I see POW flags, and I vaguely recognized that there were perhaps still troops that are still POWs, but this story has now brought this to the forefront of my mind, and it makes me incredibly sad. I pray everyday for the release of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, and I will now add to those prayers any others who may still be alive in situations such as the article describes.

And, to know that our Country had any 'purpose' to leaving these Vietnam Vets behind, makes me ashamed and angry. I need to educate myself more on this issue. :(
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Senior McCain was a pow for a long time and didn't forget who he was. Many, many others as well.
 Quoting: GUAM USA


All it takes to forget who you are is the right brain injury.

So this is theoretically possible. If he had meningitis while in captivity (common in Southeast Asia) that might be an infectious cause of memory loss:

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I always heard that some men just walked off into the Jungle and never came back. After a "dear john" letter or news of a dead parent of dead child. Then they went to live up a tree somewhere away from the fighting. Like crazy street guys, only still in SE Asia.

There is a national geographic article from the 70's which references mentions a sighting of some european looking guy hiding in the woods. Goes to look for it...
 Quoting: zenobiaphobia


Or, complete immersion for 4 decades. That'll do it.

McCain had fellow pilots he was locked up with to keep him grounded. Sounds like this guy just had the jungle and finally and hot asian wife to live with.
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Ross Perot became heavily involved in the Vietnam War POW/MIA issue. He believed that hundreds of American servicemen were left behind in Southeast Asia at the end of the U.S. involvement in the war,[17] and that government officials were covering up POW/MIA investigations in order to avoid revealing a drug smuggling operation used to finance a secret war in Laos.[18
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Ross Perot became heavily involved in the Vietnam War POW/MIA issue. He believed that hundreds of American servicemen were left behind in Southeast Asia at the end of the U.S. involvement in the war,[17] and that government officials were covering up POW/MIA investigations in order to avoid revealing a drug smuggling operation used to finance a secret war in Laos.[18
 Quoting: Council on Foreign Relations


That is a huge reason why Ross Perot hated George Bush Sr. and why he ran against him his 2nd term. Remember Bush Sr. was heavily involved in the CIA or at least the intelligence community in the NSA at the time.
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These men left behind weigh heavily upon my generation of Americans.

Yes, our government knowingly and purposefully left men behind. More expedient a retreat that way.

Our men in VietNam, Laos, and Cambodia were not abandoned by their fellow airmen, soldiers, or Marines. Our politicians sold them out.
 Quoting: goodmockingbird



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These men left behind weigh heavily upon my generation of Americans.

Yes, our government knowingly and purposefully left men behind. More expedient a retreat that way.

Our men in VietNam, Laos, and Cambodia were not abandoned by their fellow airmen, soldiers, or Marines. Our politicians sold them out.
 Quoting: goodmockingbird


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U.S. Army Sgt. John Hartley Robertson even has a Vietnamese wife and can no longer speak English.
 Quoting: UTownTrash


Would someone actually forget how to speak their first language? It seems like that would stick with you no matter what.
 Quoting: Dr.Ricks


Can you remember your phone number from 30 years ago?
 Quoting: The Comedian


True. It use it or loose it. If you do not speak english for 44 years you would forget how. Living in a remote vietnamese village for that amount of time I would suspect you would have very little need to speak english. There are stories of people lost on islands and things that forget how to talk having not done it for years. It's entirely possible.
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Great and when do we get to see it?
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May 12,2013 GI Film Festival Washington DC
 Quoting: UTownTrash


Article at link has been pulled?

So, by making a movie, they brought unwanted world attention to a guy who wanted to avoid the world and its attention?

Is anything sacred anymore? Does everyone's life have to be on display?
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These men left behind weigh heavily upon my generation of Americans.

Yes, our government knowingly and purposefully left men behind. More expedient a retreat that way.

Our men in VietNam, Laos, and Cambodia were not abandoned by their fellow airmen, soldiers, or Marines. Our politicians sold them out.
 Quoting: goodmockingbird


And guess which powerful Senator was the driving force between the betrayal AND covering it up?

That's right. Our very own Manchurian Republican-flavored Democrat, John McCain.
 Quoting: The Comedian


I don't like him. Didn't know that about him though, but not surprised. This REALLY ticks me off. Vietnam, the war of my teens, and lost many friends there, mentally and physically. How do these people live with themselves?
 Quoting: Superduper


Well, I know how McCain does it.
The gooks broke him.
He's a traitor. He's no war hero.
He gave up everything to Charlie.
 Quoting: The Comedian


Quite true.

When someone has been exposed to such extreme torture or mind altering situation, they are no longer able to think or behave normally. Extreme torture breaks a person down. And the method is the favorite way to rebuild someone's mind.

POWs may be considered "heroes".. But the very fact they were POWs should automatically exclude them from politics or govt service.

McCain's actions have clearly proven he is controlled and controllable. I suspect the "break down" of torture has made him an empty puppet.


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Sounds way to fishy for me. Forget your birthday, children's names and how to speak your native tongue?
 Quoting: GUAM USA


Could torture cause some sort of extreme amnesia that includes language?
 Quoting: UTownTrash


Senior McCain was a pow for a long time and didn't forget who he was. Many, many others as well.
 Quoting: GUAM USA


yea, but that war monger forgot how to be a human being.
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Sounds way to fishy for me. Forget your birthday, children's names and how to speak your native tongue?
 Quoting: GUAM USA


Could torture cause some sort of extreme amnesia that includes language?
 Quoting: UTownTrash


Senior McCain was a pow for a long time and didn't forget who he was. Many, many others as well.
 Quoting: GUAM USA


yea, but that war monger forgot how to be a human being.
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Yes.

Just because McCain can remember his name doesn't mean his mind and morals arent damaged.
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WOW...Is this guy Colonol Kurtz?
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Hmmm.. Not sure if this is real. 1dunno1
It would be incredible if it is, though.

By the way, I see what you did with your name, OP!
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You familiar with Uniontown?
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I have a story to share in this regard. It will take me a day or so to write it down. Let me just say for now that I'm an American who has lived for the past 18 years in Vietnam and in that time, I've had several contacts with the MIA Task Force, which includes men from all major branches of the military. I've also traveled to 60 of Vietnam's 64 provinces and talked with lots of folk in these places, both lowlanders and Montagnards, who have relevant information about U.S. serviceman who got stuck in Vietnam and Laos after Saigon fell in 1975.

Yes, there were many of our men who were left behind and at least a couple of them are still alive today.
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I have a story to share in this regard. It will take me a day or so to write it down. Let me just say for now that I'm an American who has lived for the past 18 years in Vietnam and in that time, I've had several contacts with the MIA Task Force, which includes men from all major branches of the military. I've also traveled to 60 of Vietnam's 64 provinces and talked with lots of folk in these places, both lowlanders and Montagnards, who have relevant information about U.S. serviceman who got stuck in Vietnam and Laos after Saigon fell in 1975.

Yes, there were many of our men who were left behind and at least a couple of them are still alive today.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39166554


I am very much looking forward to your input to this important topic.
 Quoting: goodmockingbird


Me too.

I'm wondering if many of the "left behind" men wanted to to stay behind?
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U.S. Army Sgt. John Hartley Robertson even has a Vietnamese wife and can no longer speak English.
 Quoting: UTownTrash


Would someone actually forget how to speak their first language? It seems like that would stick with you no matter what.
 Quoting: Dr.Ricks


Okay, granted my father was only five, but until five he spoke only German. Until he was close to 40, he still spoke German to his Grandmother who refused to speak English. But the end of his life, age 83, he had forgotten most of it outside of common, everyday words that Even I knew simply from watching Hogan's Heros.
The war ended in 1974, 39 years ago, that's a lot of time to forget when all you hear around you is the native tongue.
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U.S. Army Sgt. John Hartley Robertson even has a Vietnamese wife and can no longer speak English.
 Quoting: UTownTrash


Would someone actually forget how to speak their first language? It seems like that would stick with you no matter what.
 Quoting: Dr.Ricks


Okay, granted my father was only five, but until five he spoke only German. Until he was close to 40, he still spoke German to his Grandmother who refused to speak English. But the end of his life, age 83, he had forgotten most of it outside of common, everyday words that Even I knew simply from watching Hogan's Heros.
The war ended in 1974, 39 years ago, that's a lot of time to forget when all you hear around you is the native tongue.
 Quoting: Kk 37848160


- When learning a foreign language through the word-translation method (learning that "chien"means dog in French) and relying on a language dictionary, the mind processes the language through the native tongue. Without constant practice, it is very easy to forget the foreign language since its a two-stepped process). This is why high school French is forgotten shortly after graduation.

- However, learning a foreign language through an immersion method (associating the foreign word with the visual object, such as foreign language abroad courses, or even Rosetta Stone) allows the brain to associate via the natural method of language learning...and will retain the foreign language much longer with less practice.

My guess, is this man's brain was re-wired for the Vietnamese language. Yet if he spent a few weeks or months in the west, his English would return.

It reminds me of how Madonna, spent a few years in the UK and now has a British accent. She claims she has to make an effort to speak without the accent
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