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WHY WAS JESUS BAPTIZED BY HIS COUSIN JOHN???

 
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...lthough I did bathe a lot at the time I took up the faith, I guess it was a baptism, I was having my midlife crisis at the time and didn't feel I could attend a church or anything, people might have thought I was crazy or something, not everyone is in a position to attend a church or a church baptism type ceremony with someone officiating.
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hahah once when i went to pentecostal church the first time the pastor told us we had to be water baptised otherwise we lose our new salvation because the devil will confound our faith.
so after service we had to go to his house and get undressed man and women and put on a flimsy white robe like a sack with holes for the arms.
i wasnt sure how much to undress so i took off everything.
when a sexy girl went in the water she was also naked and i could see thru her white robe and i got a hard on so i couldnt get out of the pool so i kept ducking under the water so the pastor waived me out of the pool and when i came out i had a hard on and everyone was embarassed
 Quoting: OLIVIO 11242340


LOL, Olivio! The real babtisms have nothing to do with the church. It takes place within. The babtism by water represents the holy spirit coming down and the babtism by fire is a purification within also.
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...lthough I did bathe a lot at the time I took up the faith, I guess it was a baptism, I was having my midlife crisis at the time and didn't feel I could attend a church or anything, people might have thought I was crazy or something, not everyone is in a position to attend a church or a church baptism type ceremony with someone officiating.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39180317

hahah once when i went to pentecostal church the first time the pastor told us we had to be water baptised otherwise we lose our new salvation because the devil will confound our faith.
so after service we had to go to his house and get undressed man and women and put on a flimsy white robe like a sack with holes for the arms.
i wasnt sure how much to undress so i took off everything.
when a sexy girl went in the water she was also naked and i could see thru her white robe and i got a hard on so i couldnt get out of the pool so i kept ducking under the water so the pastor waived me out of the pool and when i came out i had a hard on and everyone was embarassed
 Quoting: OLIVIO 11242340



Water is not the Spirit, the Breath. Two different things.



LOL, Olivio! The real babtisms have nothing to do with the church. It takes place within. The babtism by water represents the holy spirit coming down and the babtism by fire is a purification within also.
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oh I think he was just trolling, he disappeared shortly after that.
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The killing happened only in Betlehem.
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wrong

Matthew 2: 16 KJV

Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked by the wise men,
was exceedingly angry, and sent forth, and slew all the
children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the region
thereof
, from two years old and under, according to the time
which he had diligently inquired of the wise men.
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The killing happened only in Betlehem.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38537724


wrong

Matthew 2: 16 KJV

Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked by the wise men,
was exceedingly angry, and sent forth, and slew all the
children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the region
thereof
, from two years old and under, according to the time
which he had diligently inquired of the wise men.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14111922


Not the whole Judea yet.
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Religion Jesus was preaching predates even John the Baptist. Jesus refered to Moses many times, e.g.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38537724


Moses did not baptize

the act of Baptism is for human flesh
to receive God's cleansing of sin
due to Jesus' sacrifice on the cross.

Yet John was baptizing BEFORE Jesus
was crucified.

So Christianity existed BEFORE Jesus.
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The killing happened only in Betlehem.
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wrong

Matthew 2: 16 KJV

Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked by the wise men,
was exceedingly angry, and sent forth, and slew all the
children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the region
thereof
, from two years old and under, according to the time
which he had diligently inquired of the wise men.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14111922


Not the whole Judea yet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38537724


John and Jesus were cousins.
you do not think Herod would
have went after the entire family ???
You gotta be joking.

Herod would have killed every baby
from that family unless you think
Herod was just plain stupid and
incompetent.
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Religion Jesus was preaching predates even John the Baptist. Jesus refered to Moses many times, e.g.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38537724


Moses did not baptize

the act of Baptism is for human flesh
to receive God's cleansing of sin
due to Jesus' sacrifice on the cross.

Yet John was baptizing BEFORE Jesus
was crucified.

So Christianity existed BEFORE Jesus.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14111922


Jesus was Torah obeying Jew preaching Tannakh: the Messiah and the Kingdom of God on Earth coming.
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The killing happened only in Betlehem.
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wrong

Matthew 2: 16 KJV

Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked by the wise men,
was exceedingly angry, and sent forth, and slew all the
children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the region
thereof
, from two years old and under, according to the time
which he had diligently inquired of the wise men.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14111922


Not the whole Judea yet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38537724


John and Jesus were cousins.
you do not think Herod would
have went after the entire family ???
You gotta be joking.

Herod would have killed every baby
from that family unless you think
Herod was just plain stupid and
incompetent.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14111922


John came from a Levite. Joseph was from a lineage of David.
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wrong

Matthew 2: 16 KJV

Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked by the wise men,
was exceedingly angry, and sent forth, and slew all the
children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the region
thereof
, from two years old and under, according to the time
which he had diligently inquired of the wise men.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14111922


Not the whole Judea yet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38537724


John and Jesus were cousins.
you do not think Herod would
have went after the entire family ???
You gotta be joking.

Herod would have killed every baby
from that family unless you think
Herod was just plain stupid and
incompetent.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14111922


John came from a Levite. Joseph was from a lineage of David.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38537724


Therefore the killing happened in David´s home town.
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I don't understand the story of Jesus being baptized by his cousin John the Baptist??
so Jesus cousin John, was a crazy man hermit like a hippie and lived in the wilderness forest eating wild mushrooms and dressed in sackcloth.
so he never went to town or hanged around normal people.
He had unkept long hair and was going around talking to himself and preaching to passers by.
so Jesus went to pay him a visit and John got Jesus to dunk in the river Jordan and baptized him in the name of the father, the son and the Holy spirit.
then a dove appeared in the sky just like the one appeared to Noah after the flood, and the dove spoke and said Jesus is my son, listen to what he says.
so what does all this story supposed to represent?
what does it mean that we have to be baptized, when most people do not know this and go thru life unbaptized ??
 Quoting: OLIVIO 11242340

Man, are you messed up! lol
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Jesus was Torah obeying Jew preaching Tannakh: the Messiah and the Kingdom of God on Earth coming.
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wrong again

the Jews who practiced Tannakh had no ritual
for Baptism or immersion in water for
cleansing of sin. Cleansing of sin was
done by ritual sacrifice.

Yet John was Baptizing BEFORE Jesus gave
his salvation to the world by cruxifiction.

There is no mention of Baptism anymore
in holy scripture until John did it to
Jesus in the New Testament.

So where did John get this practice from ???
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John came from a Levite.
Joseph was from a lineage of David.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38537724


if John and Jesus were cousins
then both sets of parents would
have the same lineage of David.
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Jesus was Torah obeying Jew preaching Tannakh: the Messiah and the Kingdom of God on Earth coming.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38537724


wrong again

the Jews who practiced Tannakh had no ritual
for Baptism or immersion in water for
cleansing of sin. Cleansing of sin was
done by ritual sacrifice.

Yet John was Baptizing BEFORE Jesus gave
his salvation to the world by cruxifiction.

There is no mention of Baptism anymore
in holy scripture until John did it to
Jesus in the New Testament.

So where did John get this practice from ???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14111922


Jordan river was always in place and crossed under Joshua, hundreds years before John. Water served as cleansing medium, in the temples incl. Duh
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John came from a Levite.
Joseph was from a lineage of David.
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if John and Jesus were cousins
then both sets of parents would
have the same lineage of David.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14111922


iamwith

... cousins from mothers´ sides.
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Jordan river was always in place and crossed under Joshua, hundreds years before John. Water served as cleansing medium, in the temples incl. Duh
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please post scripture link
for that ???
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John came from a Levite.
Joseph was from a lineage of David.
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if John and Jesus were cousins
then both sets of parents would
have the same lineage of David.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14111922


iamwith

... cousins from mothers´ sides.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38537724


bible lineages are about as reliable
as the weather

in one gospel there are 27 connections
between Jesus and Adam

in another gospel there are 41 connections
between Jesus and Adam

make up your mind please,
one of them is a lie.
or BOTH
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Jordan river was always in place and crossed under Joshua, hundreds years before John. Water served as cleansing medium, in the temples incl. Duh
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please post scripture link
for that ???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14111922


E.g.

Numbers 19:9 And a man that is clean shall gather up the ashes of the heifer, and lay them up without the camp in a clean place, and it shall be kept for the congregation of the children of Israel for a water of separation: it is a purification for sin.


Google wants be your friend, read further on your own:

[link to biblez.com]
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Numbers 19:9 And a man that is clean shall gather up the ashes of the heifer, and lay them up without the camp in a clean place, and it shall be kept for the congregation of the children of Israel for a water of separation: it is a purification for sin.


Google wants be your friend, read further on your own:

[link to biblez.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38537724


the water is NOT the cleansing of sin,
the ashes of the heifer (sacrifice)
is the cleansing of sin.

Baptism had not been invented yet
when Numbers was written.
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Numbers 19:9 And a man that is clean shall gather up the ashes of the heifer, and lay them up without the camp in a clean place, and it shall be kept for the congregation of the children of Israel for a water of separation: it is a purification for sin.


Google wants be your friend, read further on your own:

[link to biblez.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38537724


the water is NOT the cleansing of sin,
the ashes of the heifer (sacrifice)
is the cleansing of sin.

Baptism had not been invented yet
when Numbers was written.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14111922


whatever I did provide the verses.
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whatever I did provide the verses.
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the verses you provided did not
prove your point that Baptism
existed as a practice for
cleansing of sin in Moses' day.

If Baptism was already used
to cleanse from sin

then why did Jesus show up
at all to die on the cross ??

it is an oxy moran
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whatever I did provide the verses.
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the verses you provided did not
prove your point that Baptism
existed as a practice for
cleansing of sin in Moses' day.

If Baptism was already used
to cleanse from sin

then why did Jesus show up
at all to die on the cross ??

it is an oxy moran
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14111922


[link to biblez.com]
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whatever I did provide the verses.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38537724


the verses you provided did not
prove your point that Baptism
existed as a practice for
cleansing of sin in Moses' day.

If Baptism was already used
to cleanse from sin

then why did Jesus show up
at all to die on the cross ??

it is an oxy moran
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14111922


[link to biblez.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38537724


all of the results are in the
New Testament in that list

means you epic fail to prove
Baptism existed in Moses day
as Baptism is never mentioned
in the Torah.

But yet John was Baptizing BEFORE
Jesus started his ministry.
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whatever I did provide the verses.
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the verses you provided did not
prove your point that Baptism
existed as a practice for
cleansing of sin in Moses' day.

If Baptism was already used
to cleanse from sin

then why did Jesus show up
at all to die on the cross ??

it is an oxy moran
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14111922


[link to biblez.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38537724


all of the results are in the
New Testament in that list

means you epic fail to prove
Baptism existed in Moses day
as Baptism is never mentioned
in the Torah.

But yet John was Baptizing BEFORE
Jesus started his ministry.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14111922


Cleansing by water = baptism
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I don't understand the story of Jesus being baptized by his cousin John the Baptist??
so Jesus cousin John, was a crazy man hermit like a hippie and lived in the wilderness forest eating wild mushrooms and dressed in sackcloth.
so he never went to town or hanged around normal people.
He had unkept long hair and was going around talking to himself and preaching to passers by.
so Jesus went to pay him a visit and John got Jesus to dunk in the river Jordan and baptized him in the name of the father, the son and the Holy spirit.
then a dove appeared in the sky just like the one appeared to Noah after the flood, and the dove spoke and said Jesus is my son, listen to what he says.
so what does all this story supposed to represent?
what does it mean that we have to be baptized, when most people do not know this and go thru life unbaptized ??
 Quoting: OLIVIO 11242340


It never happened.

IF and IF there was a historical "Jesus" he wasn't who your book says he was obviously as there is no historical record of his existence. There were many Jewish Zealots back then who caused a lot of trouble to both their own kind and the Romans and quite a lot were saying they were the "Messiah". Josephus writes of a Jesus that was crucified but long after the events in the "gospels" say things took place. Interesting your book says they released Barabbas over Jesus when Barabbas is "Bar Abba" or "Son of the Father" which is what Jesus supposedly claimed to be.

Many recorded Messiah-claimants in First Century Judaea, even your own book hints that they were wondering if John was the Messiah, it's more than likely both John and Jesus, Yochanan and Yeshua, were characters based on and representing the two types of Zealotry that was plaguing the land at the time. It was a Jewish religion from the start in a time when if many people told you something happened or someone existed, they believed you. And many Jews at the time wanted a Messiah and so the "Good News" pleased them greatly and so they became "Disciples", it was a time before a steady form of Christianity was formed and that was Roman Catholicism.
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Cleansing by water = baptism
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cleansing one's body from dirt
is not the same as cleansing
from sin.

there are metaphors in the
bible which the stupid people
do not comprehend.

they also cleansed by water
their swords and spears after
battle.

does that mean they have Holy Swords
and Spears now ???

no

not unless you think Swords and Spears
need Baptizing to get to heaven.

there is no Baptism as the New Testament
means it ... in the Old Testament or Torah.

In Moses day, they sacrificed animals
for the cleansing of sin and this
did NOT change until after JESUS
was crucified.


So where did John get the practice
of Baptism if Jesus hadn't died yet ???
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Cleansing by water = baptism
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38537724


cleansing one's body from dirt
is not the same as cleansing
from sin.

there are metaphors in the
bible which the stupid people
do not comprehend.

they also cleansed by water
their swords and spears after
battle.

does that mean they have Holy Swords
and Spears now ???

no

not unless you think Swords and Spears
need Baptizing to get to heaven.

there is no Baptism as the New Testament
means it ... in the Old Testament or Torah.

In Moses day, they sacrificed animals
for the cleansing of sin and this
did NOT change until after JESUS
was crucified.


So where did John get the practice
of Baptism if Jesus hadn't died yet ???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14111922


Cleansing by water in the name of God = Baptism
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Josephus writes of a Jesus that was crucified but long after the events in the "gospels" say things took place.
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No

Jesephus never mentions the name Jesus.
He wrote it in Greek and the greek term
he used was Kristous which means
Anointed one.

An Egyptian Pharaoh would also fit that
description as every Pharaoh was anointed
by the King's Court upon coronation as
ruler of Egypt.

Kristous could mean a lot of different
people who have had oil poured over
their body. The word Jesus was never
invented until Ieosus was translated from
Greek to English in 1381 CE.
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Cleansing by water in the name of God = Baptism
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are you stupid ???

it's NOT in the old testament.
It's ONLY in the New Testament.

I have already asked you to provide
an Old Testament scripture link
to show cleansing of water for sin
and you can't do it. All I got from
you is a link to shows heifer's ashes
was the actual cleansing agent.

So where was the heifer's ashes when
John the Baptist was drowning Jesus ???

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