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WHY WAS JESUS BAPTIZED BY HIS COUSIN JOHN???

 
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I heard John could have been his father in law?
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I don't understand the story of Jesus being baptized by his cousin John the Baptist??
so Jesus cousin John, was a crazy man hermit like a hippie and lived in the wilderness forest eating wild mushrooms and dressed in sackcloth.
so he never went to town or hanged around normal people.
He had unkept long hair and was going around talking to himself and preaching to passers by.
so Jesus went to pay him a visit and John got Jesus to dunk in the river Jordan and baptized him in the name of the father, the son and the Holy spirit.
then a dove appeared in the sky just like the one appeared to Noah after the flood, and the dove spoke and said Jesus is my son, listen to what he says.
so what does all this story supposed to represent?
what does it mean that we have to be baptized, when most people do not know this and go thru life unbaptized ??
 Quoting: OLIVIO 11242340


Your are asking a Secret matter. I'll tell you a secret answer. Meditate to the answer and you'll see the truth.

Here is the clue, remember John's message, "Prepare for Kingdom of Heaven". All his personality and being was prepared for kingdom of Heaven which is nothing to do or related to kingdom of Earth. His act was a proven lifestyle that he lived in extremely minimum attachment to earth. Clothing, food, home were so inferior that consider as survival way on earth.

The secret of babtism is a process of transition from kingdom of earth to kingdom of heaven.

After crossing the line of transition, somebody in the other side should greet or welcome him. Somebody is the Holy Spirit.

Infact Holy Spirit welcoming message was deeper than a simply greeting acceptance. He said "Beloved son, I am well pleased."

Meditate the Holy spirit word: ....The greeting was a statement of binding agreement between two person. In other word, Baptism is MARRIAGE AGREEMENT.

See what Jesus did along with Spirit right after Baptism. They went to deserted, wilderness place !

Like a bride moved to a groom home. So Jesus moved to from kingdom of earth to kingdom of Heaven. Jesus was willing to get rid of any thing of earthly attachments, including food.

During that period , Jesus was deep in love for 40 days.

How do we know that Jesus in loved ? Well...just ask Jesus some questions.

Read carefully Jesus's answers to those questions.
.....Jesus did't want to go back to earth. Jesus was in Holy Spirit side.

Somehow, He have to return to earth to complete his mission.

Many angels cheered him and since then the Holy Spirit always upon him on earth.

Hope anybody who read this, will have a new understanding and love God even more.

Good day.
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OK I will take the bait
Briefly John, was a highly respected both kings and most Jewish leaders feared John because as a prohet his words held deep meaning to the people probably from a devout strict Jewish sect who very possibly was educated and learned by similar teachers as Jesus in their Youth.

Johns Mother and Mary, Jesus mother were very close. John whom was older than Jesus must have spent a life together.

John was often thought of as Elijah

Johns message was extremly contrversial but offered redemption to those who had sin or guilt.

The holy spirit decended like a dove.. not as a dove..

Manny will argue this but we are offered Baptism by desire
so all those not nowing of Baptism still hold the hope for redemption and saving.... Moses, and others are offered as well.
 Quoting: ISLANDIA


so did John the Baptist invented Baptism??

because there was no such thing as baptising children and babies for the 4000 years before.
so why suddenly this baptism water spring up?
and what does it supposed to do?
is it the same as sprinkling the holy water over a coffin in a catholic funeral??
 Quoting: OLIVIO 11242340


John Baptised with water, The jewish high priest removed sin with blood of sacrificed animals and sprinkled blood on certain elements moses sprinkled on his people to forgive sins... Early on John may have used a seashell by sprinkling or pouring water on those he baptised.

Yes John was revelotionary in the use of water.. which only is created by God and pure.

This is my understandng others know much more than me
Go in peace
 Quoting: ISLANDIA




excuse me, but where are you getting this thing about jewish hight priests sprinkling blood?!!???!! that is FALSE. water to cleanse (spiritually, purify, etc.) has been part of judaism since before john the baptist...these people were all hebrews, as i'm sure you are aware. what john the baptist did to jesus was an existing jewish practice.

please go do some research on the mikveh!

here's one:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

here's another:

[link to www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org]

and another:
[link to www.chabad.org]

even here:

[link to mormonmatters.org]


jesus was a hebrew as was john "the baptist" ... jesus was a jewish rabbi. christianity is therefore some kind of jewish sect.

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OP please get baptise. Remove earthly attachments, You and God are one.
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After crossing the line of transition, somebody in the other side should greet or welcome him. Somebody is the Holy Spirit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10803506


The Nicean Creed

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

when it was written in 325 CE, there
was no Trinity. The Holy Spirit
was a separate entity.

At the 2nd Ecumenical Council in 381 CE,
there was an addendum to the Nicean Creed
which allowed the Holy Spirit to be of God's
substance. This created the Holy Trinity.

So, if their bible they read was the same as it
is today then how come they missed the
Trinity aspect from the beginning ???

So in essence there was no Holy Trinity until
381 CE.
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See what Jesus did along with Spirit right after Baptism. They went to deserted, wilderness place !

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10803506


then somebody needs to re-write
the New Testament.

In one gospel, Jesus goes to the
wilderness right after Baptism.

in another gospel, Jesus turns the
water into wine 3 days after Baptism.

He cannot be 2 places at once.
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OK I will take the bait
Briefly John, was a highly respected both kings and most Jewish leaders feared John because as a prohet his words held deep meaning to the people probably from a devout strict Jewish sect who very possibly was educated and learned by similar teachers as Jesus in their Youth.

Johns Mother and Mary, Jesus mother were very close. John whom was older than Jesus must have spent a life together.

John was often thought of as Elijah

Johns message was extremly contrversial but offered redemption to those who had sin or guilt.

The holy spirit decended like a dove.. not as a dove..

Manny will argue this but we are offered Baptism by desire
so all those not nowing of Baptism still hold the hope for redemption and saving.... Moses, and others are offered as well.
 Quoting: ISLANDIA


so did John the Baptist invented Baptism??

because there was no such thing as baptising children and babies for the 4000 years before.
so why suddenly this baptism water spring up?
and what does it supposed to do?
is it the same as sprinkling the holy water over a coffin in a catholic funeral??
 Quoting: OLIVIO 11242340


John Baptised with water, The jewish high priest removed sin with blood of sacrificed animals and sprinkled blood on certain elements moses sprinkled on his people to forgive sins... Early on John may have used a seashell by sprinkling or pouring water on those he baptised.

Yes John was revelotionary in the use of water.. which only is created by God and pure.

This is my understandng others know much more than me
Go in peace
 Quoting: ISLANDIA




excuse me, but where are you getting this thing about jewish hight priests sprinkling blood?!!???!! that is FALSE. water to cleanse has been part of judaism since before john the baptist.

please go do some research on the mikveh!

here's one:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

here's another:

[link to www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org]

and another:

[link to mormonmatters.org]

even here:

[link to mormonmatters.org]


jesus was a hebrew as was john "the baptist" ... jesus was a jewish rabbi. christianity is therefore some kind of jewish sect.
 Quoting: m&m's


Most people get mixed about Mikveh.

Mikveh is purification, clean and floating like a new born baby.

Mikveh is a transition realm. Getting marriage to God.
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excuse me, but where are you getting this thing about jewish hight priests sprinkling blood?!!???!! that is FALSE. water to cleanse (spiritually, purify, etc.) has been part of judaism since before john the baptist...these people were all hebrews, as i'm sure you are aware. what john the baptist did to jesus was an existing jewish practice.

please go do some research on the mikveh!

here's one:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

here's another:

[link to www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org]

and another:
[link to www.chabad.org]

even here:

[link to mormonmatters.org]


jesus was a hebrew as was john "the baptist" ... jesus was a jewish rabbi. christianity is therefore some kind of jewish sect.
 Quoting: m&m's


not a single link you provide proves
Baptism was used by Hebrews before
John the Baptist.

Quote me scripture from the Torah
that says it or be silent
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After crossing the line of transition, somebody in the other side should greet or welcome him. Somebody is the Holy Spirit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10803506


The Nicean Creed

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

when it was written in 325 CE, there
was no Trinity. The Holy Spirit
was a separate entity.

At the 2nd Ecumenical Council in 381 CE,
there was an addendum to the Nicean Creed
which allowed the Holy Spirit to be of God's
substance. This created the Holy Trinity.

So, if their bible they read was the same as it
is today then how come they missed the
Trinity aspect from the beginning ???

So in essence there was no Holy Trinity until
381 CE.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14111922


Trinity concept is correct as long as involve in integration process.

For example pieces of LEGO and Wood.

Holy Spirit is LEGO
GOD is LEGO

Jesus showed an example that Wood can be transformed to LEGO thru Baptism, from kingdom of earth moved to kingdom of heaven.

In LEGO format, Holy Spirit, GOD and Jesus can be integrated as ONE.

Get baptise, turn your Wood to LEGO and be one with Trinity.
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See what Jesus did along with Spirit right after Baptism. They went to deserted, wilderness place !

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10803506


then somebody needs to re-write
the New Testament.

In one gospel, Jesus goes to the
wilderness right after Baptism.

in another gospel, Jesus turns the
water into wine 3 days after Baptism.

He cannot be 2 places at once.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14111922


Time line of days is obscuring. But we can say it in different format: Day 1, 2, 3 as Step 1, 2, 3

The wedding event is helping to solve Baptism and Wilderness riddle.


Day 1, Baptism- Marriage agreement.
Day 2, Gathering friends
Day 3, Wedding party. (inferior to superior)
Day 4 to 40, Honeymoon in wilderness.

The next event is Passover (John 2:13)
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See what Jesus did along with Spirit right after Baptism. They went to deserted, wilderness place !

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10803506


then somebody needs to re-write
the New Testament.

In one gospel, Jesus goes to the
wilderness right after Baptism.

in another gospel, Jesus turns the
water into wine 3 days after Baptism.

He cannot be 2 places at once.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14111922


Time line of days is obscuring. But we can say it in different format: Day 1, 2, 3 as Step 1, 2, 3

The wedding event is helping to solve Baptism and Wilderness riddle.


Day 1, Baptism- Marriage agreement.
Day 2, Gathering friends
Day 3, Wedding party. (inferior to superior)
Day 4 to 40, Honeymoon in wilderness.

The next event is Passover (John 2:13)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10803506


Jesus went down to Capernaum (John 2:12). The way to capernaum is Wilderness

see wiki:
[link to wiki.answers.com]
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I don't understand the story of Jesus being baptized by his cousin John the Baptist??
so Jesus cousin John, was a crazy man hermit like a hippie and lived in the wilderness forest eating wild mushrooms and dressed in sackcloth.
so he never went to town or hanged around normal people.
He had unkept long hair and was going around talking to himself and preaching to passers by.
so Jesus went to pay him a visit and John got Jesus to dunk in the river Jordan and baptized him in the name of the father, the son and the Holy spirit.
then a dove appeared in the sky just like the one appeared to Noah after the flood, and the dove spoke and said Jesus is my son, listen to what he says.
so what does all this story supposed to represent?
what does it mean that we have to be baptized, when most people do not know this and go thru life unbaptized ??
 Quoting: OLIVIO 11242340


Your are asking a Secret matter. I'll tell you a secret answer. Meditate to the answer and you'll see the truth.

Here is the clue, remember John's message, "Prepare for Kingdom of Heaven". All his personality and being was prepared for kingdom of Heaven which is nothing to do or related to kingdom of Earth. His act was a proven lifestyle that he lived in extremely minimum attachment to earth. Clothing, food, home were so inferior that consider as survival way on earth.

The secret of babtism is a process of transition from kingdom of earth to kingdom of heaven.

After crossing the line of transition, somebody in the other side should greet or welcome him. Somebody is the Holy Spirit.

Infact Holy Spirit welcoming message was deeper than a simply greeting acceptance. He said "Beloved son, I am well pleased."

Meditate the Holy spirit word: ....The greeting was a statement of binding agreement between two person. In other word, Baptism is MARRIAGE AGREEMENT.

See what Jesus did along with Spirit right after Baptism. They went to deserted, wilderness place !

Like a bride moved to a groom home. So Jesus moved to from kingdom of earth to kingdom of Heaven. Jesus was willing to get rid of any thing of earthly attachments, including food.

During that period , Jesus was deep in love for 40 days.

How do we know that Jesus in loved ? Well...just ask Jesus some questions.

Read carefully Jesus's answers to those questions.
.....Jesus did't want to go back to earth. Jesus was in Holy Spirit side.

Somehow, He have to return to earth to complete his mission.

Many angels cheered him and since then the Holy Spirit always upon him on earth.

Hope anybody who read this, will have a new understanding and love God even more.

Good day.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10803506


Not so secret anymore
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There was no Jesus you fucking retarded cunt . When their on about son its the sun in the sky you idiot some people are programmed from birth .
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MORE verifiable proof Jesus lived than even George Washington.
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I don't understand the story of Jesus being baptized by his cousin John the Baptist??
so Jesus cousin John, was a crazy man hermit like a hippie and lived in the wilderness forest eating wild mushrooms and dressed in sackcloth.
so he never went to town or hanged around normal people.
He had unkept long hair and was going around talking to himself and preaching to passers by.
so Jesus went to pay him a visit and John got Jesus to dunk in the river Jordan and baptized him in the name of the father, the son and the Holy spirit.
then a dove appeared in the sky just like the one appeared to Noah after the flood, and the dove spoke and said Jesus is my son, listen to what he says.
so what does all this story supposed to represent?
what does it mean that we have to be baptized, when most people do not know this and go thru life unbaptized ??
 Quoting: OLIVIO 11242340


1) Fulfillment of scripture.

2) John was the greatest of all men born of a woman.


LEGION
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There was no Jesus you fucking retarded cunt . When their on about son its the sun in the sky you idiot some people are programmed from birth .
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MORE verifiable proof Jesus lived than even George Washington.
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ohyeah
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John was trained by the Essenes and was a rabbi. The Essenes had a belief system that was very close to the one taught by Messiah after baptism. Thus, John was an appropriate chose for the human ceremony of water baptism - and was endorsed by the Father verbally.
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baptism comes from the ritual of cleansing through immersion - see OT Law.
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After crossing the line of transition, somebody in the other side should greet or welcome him. Somebody is the Holy Spirit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10803506


The Nicean Creed

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

when it was written in 325 CE, there
was no Trinity. The Holy Spirit
was a separate entity.

At the 2nd Ecumenical Council in 381 CE,
there was an addendum to the Nicean Creed
which allowed the Holy Spirit to be of God's
substance. This created the Holy Trinity.

So, if their bible they read was the same as it
is today then how come they missed the
Trinity aspect from the beginning ???

So in essence there was no Holy Trinity until
381 CE.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14111922


Trinity concept is correct as long as involve in integration process.

For example pieces of LEGO and Wood.

Holy Spirit is LEGO
GOD is LEGO

Jesus showed an example that Wood can be transformed to LEGO thru Baptism, from kingdom of earth moved to kingdom of heaven.

In LEGO format, Holy Spirit, GOD and Jesus can be integrated as ONE.

Get baptise, turn your Wood to LEGO and be one with Trinity.
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Are you Wood or LEGO ?
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John like Jesus was also born under unusual circumstances. His mother Ann was well past her time of being able to conceive. Ann's husband was visited by angels and told that his wife would conceive, when he did not believe he was stuck dumb(unable to speak). John's birth resembles the story of Abraham and Sarah giving birth to Isaac. Sarah was also well past the time of being able to conceive. Angels also visited Abraham to announce the birth of Isaac.

The similarities are stressed to know that what occurred was truly G-d's Will.

John was the last prophet of the Old Testament, Jesus was the first of the New Testament. It is only proper that the last should baptize the first.

Jesus (the Word of God) was the beginning (the New Testament) and the last (the fulfillment of the Old Testament).
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OK I will take the bait
Briefly John, was a highly respected both kings and most Jewish leaders feared John because as a prohet his words held deep meaning to the people probably from a devout strict Jewish sect who very possibly was educated and learned by similar teachers as Jesus in their Youth.

Johns Mother and Mary, Jesus mother were very close. John whom was older than Jesus must have spent a life together.

John was often thought of as Elijah

Johns message was extremly contrversial but offered redemption to those who had sin or guilt.

The holy spirit decended like a dove.. not as a dove..

Manny will argue this but we are offered Baptism by desire
so all those not nowing of Baptism still hold the hope for redemption and saving.... Moses, and others are offered as well.
 Quoting: ISLANDIA


so did John the Baptist invented Baptism??

because there was no such thing as baptising children and babies for the 4000 years before.
so why suddenly this baptism water spring up?
and what does it supposed to do?
is it the same as sprinkling the holy water over a coffin in a catholic funeral??
 Quoting: OLIVIO 11242340


Pices, the two fish live in water. My guess is it's symbolic of rebirth in the age. Next up: air.

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