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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1727158 United States 05/02/2013 07:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | John the Baptist was forerunner of Jesus. John's baptism was forerunner of Christian baptism. If you will read the scripture it said Jesus did this to fulfill all righteousness. So this baptism was forerunner of baptism that came later Acts 2:38 complete with the gift of the Holy Spirit who appeared as a dove after Jesus baptism. The scripture says we are "baptized into Christ", in it we "put on Christ" and Romans says we are buried with him in baptism and raised to walk in a new life. Don't take my word for it read the account in Acts of Philip and the Ethiopian and see if they do not follow this pattern including going into the water (so it is literal burial in water, some claim it is not). Also understand that when one is Baptized that God does the work on the one being baptized. We are not working, we are obeying (Colossians chapter 2) |
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OLIVIO (OP) User ID: 11242340 Australia 05/02/2013 07:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | John prophesied Jesus and recognised him when others didn't. Dunno about the water baptism thing, there's many forms of baptism besides water. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39180317 yes Holy spirit baptism, but i think that is like hypnosis, the pastor puts people in trance and then he makes them do strange things like barking around the church like dogs and laughing like crazy. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 39180317 Australia 05/02/2013 07:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ...lthough I did bathe a lot at the time I took up the faith, I guess it was a baptism, I was having my midlife crisis at the time and didn't feel I could attend a church or anything, people might have thought I was crazy or something, not everyone is in a position to attend a church or a church baptism type ceremony with someone officiating. |
OLIVIO (OP) User ID: 11242340 Australia 05/02/2013 07:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ...lthough I did bathe a lot at the time I took up the faith, I guess it was a baptism, I was having my midlife crisis at the time and didn't feel I could attend a church or anything, people might have thought I was crazy or something, not everyone is in a position to attend a church or a church baptism type ceremony with someone officiating. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39180317 hahah once when i went to pentecostal church the first time the pastor told us we had to be water baptised otherwise we lose our new salvation because the devil will confound our faith. so after service we had to go to his house and get undressed man and women and put on a flimsy white robe like a sack with holes for the arms. i wasnt sure how much to undress so i took off everything. when a sexy girl went in the water she was also naked and i could see thru her white robe and i got a hard on so i couldnt get out of the pool so i kept ducking under the water so the pastor waived me out of the pool and when i came out i had a hard on and everyone was embarassed |
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ISLANDIA User ID: 8828100 United States 05/02/2013 07:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OK I will take the bait Briefly John, was a highly respected both kings and most Jewish leaders feared John because as a prohet his words held deep meaning to the people probably from a devout strict Jewish sect who very possibly was educated and learned by similar teachers as Jesus in their Youth. Johns Mother and Mary, Jesus mother were very close. John whom was older than Jesus must have spent a life together. John was often thought of as Elijah Johns message was extremly contrversial but offered redemption to those who had sin or guilt. The holy spirit decended like a dove.. not as a dove.. Manny will argue this but we are offered Baptism by desire so all those not nowing of Baptism still hold the hope for redemption and saving.... Moses, and others are offered as well. |
OLIVIO (OP) User ID: 11242340 Australia 05/02/2013 07:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OK I will take the bait Quoting: ISLANDIA Briefly John, was a highly respected both kings and most Jewish leaders feared John because as a prohet his words held deep meaning to the people probably from a devout strict Jewish sect who very possibly was educated and learned by similar teachers as Jesus in their Youth. Johns Mother and Mary, Jesus mother were very close. John whom was older than Jesus must have spent a life together. John was often thought of as Elijah Johns message was extremly contrversial but offered redemption to those who had sin or guilt. The holy spirit decended like a dove.. not as a dove.. Manny will argue this but we are offered Baptism by desire so all those not nowing of Baptism still hold the hope for redemption and saving.... Moses, and others are offered as well. so did John the Baptist invented Baptism?? because there was no such thing as baptising children and babies for the 4000 years before. so why suddenly this baptism water spring up? and what does it supposed to do? is it the same as sprinkling the holy water over a coffin in a catholic funeral?? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 38537724 Slovakia 05/02/2013 07:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OK I will take the bait Quoting: ISLANDIA Briefly John, was a highly respected both kings and most Jewish leaders feared John because as a prohet his words held deep meaning to the people probably from a devout strict Jewish sect who very possibly was educated and learned by similar teachers as Jesus in their Youth. Johns Mother and Mary, Jesus mother were very close. John whom was older than Jesus must have spent a life together. John was often thought of as Elijah Johns message was extremly contrversial but offered redemption to those who had sin or guilt. The holy spirit decended like a dove.. not as a dove.. Manny will argue this but we are offered Baptism by desire so all those not nowing of Baptism still hold the hope for redemption and saving.... Moses, and others are offered as well. so did John the Baptist invented Baptism?? because there was no such thing as baptising children and babies for the 4000 years before. so why suddenly this baptism water spring up? and what does it supposed to do? is it the same as sprinkling the holy water over a coffin in a catholic funeral?? Water does clean. So does fire. Choose between. |
ISLANDIA User ID: 8828100 United States 05/02/2013 07:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OK I will take the bait Quoting: ISLANDIA Briefly John, was a highly respected both kings and most Jewish leaders feared John because as a prohet his words held deep meaning to the people probably from a devout strict Jewish sect who very possibly was educated and learned by similar teachers as Jesus in their Youth. Johns Mother and Mary, Jesus mother were very close. John whom was older than Jesus must have spent a life together. John was often thought of as Elijah Johns message was extremly contrversial but offered redemption to those who had sin or guilt. The holy spirit decended like a dove.. not as a dove.. Manny will argue this but we are offered Baptism by desire so all those not nowing of Baptism still hold the hope for redemption and saving.... Moses, and others are offered as well. so did John the Baptist invented Baptism?? because there was no such thing as baptising children and babies for the 4000 years before. so why suddenly this baptism water spring up? and what does it supposed to do? is it the same as sprinkling the holy water over a coffin in a catholic funeral?? John Baptised with water, The jewish high priest removed sin with blood of sacrificed animals and sprinkled blood on certain elements moses sprinkled on his people to forgive sins... Early on John may have used a seashell by sprinkling or pouring water on those he baptised. Yes John was revelotionary in the use of water.. which only is created by God and pure. This is my understandng others know much more than me Go in peace |
ISLANDIA User ID: 8828100 United States 05/02/2013 07:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He had Faith that Jesus his own Cousin was the Christ and spent his life to offer salvation to all who would listen.. Baptised by Christ blood Last Edited by ISLANDIA on 05/02/2013 07:57 AM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 39180317 Australia 05/02/2013 08:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OK I will take the bait Quoting: ISLANDIA Briefly John, was a highly respected both kings and most Jewish leaders feared John because as a prohet his words held deep meaning to the people probably from a devout strict Jewish sect who very possibly was educated and learned by similar teachers as Jesus in their Youth. Johns Mother and Mary, Jesus mother were very close. John whom was older than Jesus must have spent a life together. John was often thought of as Elijah Johns message was extremly contrversial but offered redemption to those who had sin or guilt. The holy spirit decended like a dove.. not as a dove.. Manny will argue this but we are offered Baptism by desire so all those not nowing of Baptism still hold the hope for redemption and saving.... Moses, and others are offered as well. so did John the Baptist invented Baptism?? because there was no such thing as baptising children and babies for the 4000 years before. so why suddenly this baptism water spring up? and what does it supposed to do? is it the same as sprinkling the holy water over a coffin in a catholic funeral?? 'wash you, make you clean' I think that's in Isaih, also symbolic of rebirth, cleansed, being born again. You and your penis obviously don't understand these things. |
C User ID: 1469884 United States 05/02/2013 08:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Eli's coming. MATHEW 17 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, 2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. 3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him. 4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. 5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. 6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid. 7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid. 8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only. 9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead. 10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come? 11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. 12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. 13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1727158 United States 05/02/2013 09:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so how do we get holy water? Quoting: OLIVIO 11242340 when I go to church I dunk my right middle finger in the holy water bowl and then I cross myself with that special finger. I don't know if I was ever baptised as a baby because I was orphan. How many denominations have you been in? You seem to have been in a bunch. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 39214965 Australia 05/02/2013 09:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so how do we get holy water? Quoting: OLIVIO 11242340 when I go to church I dunk my right middle finger in the holy water bowl and then I cross myself with that special finger. I don't know if I was ever baptised as a baby because I was orphan. Wouldn't worry about if someone flicked water on your head as a baby or not its not Biblical, Christ came to rescue man from sin not to condemn little babies who were not flicked with water by pedophiles in weird pagan rituals. None of that stuff does anything its all ceremony and traditions of man, its man based works its not at all scriptural, The Priest dunks an incense into the water and says something mysterious in Latin, because its the continuation of the mystery rights from Babylon, If you had read "Foxes Book of Martyrs" it goes through all the pagan antiquity's that made it into your church, The water itself doesn't have any benefits but the pagan peoples demanded that they keep their customs so today they remain. When Someone Chooses to be Baptized they are Symbolically saying they are Now Dead to their former Sins and want to be reborn into Christs Righteousness, Then the Devil usually attacks their family strongly and that persons faith will go through many tests or distractions. When Christ was Baptized by John The Baptists, a Prophet and His Cousin, John Didn't recognize Christ as His Cousin but He saw in Jesus the anti-typical fulfillment for the type of spotless/sinless lamb used symbolically in their sacrificial System to atone for mans Sin. "The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world." John 1:29 "And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God." John 1:31-34 "And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." Matthew 3:17 I believe being Baptized/reborn into Christ is an Adults Decision, an infant is incapable of making any real spiritual decisions |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1727158 United States 05/02/2013 09:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so how do we get holy water? Quoting: OLIVIO 11242340 when I go to church I dunk my right middle finger in the holy water bowl and then I cross myself with that special finger. I don't know if I was ever baptised as a baby because I was orphan. Infant baptism is never mentioned in the Bible. Infants have no comprehension of such things. Do you think you'd benefit if your parents or grandparents had sprinkled you? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 14111922 United States 05/02/2013 10:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | question: John was already baptizing and preaching before Jesus started his ministry. so where did John get his religion from if Jesus had not given it yet ?? Sounds more like John was already a Christian before Jesus came on the scene. So where did Christianity come from if it predates Jesus ??? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 14111922 United States 05/02/2013 10:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | question: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14111922 John was already baptizing and preaching before Jesus started his ministry. so where did John get his religion from if Jesus had not given it yet ?? Sounds more like John was already a Christian before Jesus came on the scene. So where did Christianity come from if it predates Jesus ??? 2nd question: John and Jesus were the same age. So how did John avoid the baby son killings from King Herod in Judea at the same time Jesus was born ?? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 38537724 Slovakia 05/02/2013 10:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | question: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14111922 John was already baptizing and preaching before Jesus started his ministry. so where did John get his religion from if Jesus had not given it yet ?? Sounds more like John was already a Christian before Jesus came on the scene. So where did Christianity come from if it predates Jesus ??? 2nd question: John and Jesus were the same age. So how did John avoid the baby son killings from King Herod in Judea at the same time Jesus was born ?? The killing happened only in Betlehem. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 38537724 Slovakia 05/02/2013 10:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | question: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14111922 John was already baptizing and preaching before Jesus started his ministry. so where did John get his religion from if Jesus had not given it yet ?? Sounds more like John was already a Christian before Jesus came on the scene. So where did Christianity come from if it predates Jesus ??? Religion Jesus was preaching predates even John the Baptist. Jesus refered to Moses many times, e.g. |