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Why can't you be saved after death?

 
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Why can't you be saved after death?
Can a person repent and accept Jesus as savior after death? If not why not? Evidently we all continue on after this life, some heading to heaven and other heading to hell. Why are we resrticted to make this choice during this life or are we?

After I die, if I see God and Jesus and Satan I'll then finally have enough evidence to convince me they exist. Why can I not then go oh ok you got me! I believe...Why would god give us so little evidence to make our choice when belief will be obvious in the afterlife?
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Because you are Fucking dead
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Because you are Fucking dead
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Who told you can't?

Heaven and hell are in your mind.
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Can a person repent and accept Jesus as savior after death? If not why not? Evidently we all continue on after this life, some heading to heaven and other heading to hell. Why are we resrticted to make this choice during this life or are we?

After I die, if I see God and Jesus and Satan I'll then finally have enough evidence to convince me they exist. Why can I not then go oh ok you got me! I believe...Why would god give us so little evidence to make our choice when belief will be obvious in the afterlife?
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Hebrews 9:18-28

King James Version (KJV)


"Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood."

"For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,"

"Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you."

"Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry."

"And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission."

"It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these."

"For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:"

"Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;"

"For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself."

"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:"

"So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation."
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Can a person repent and accept Jesus as savior after death? If not why not? Evidently we all continue on after this life, some heading to heaven and other heading to hell. Why are we resrticted to make this choice during this life or are we?

After I die, if I see God and Jesus and Satan I'll then finally have enough evidence to convince me they exist. Why can I not then go oh ok you got me! I believe...Why would god give us so little evidence to make our choice when belief will be obvious in the afterlife?
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Hebrews 9:18-28

King James Version (KJV)


"Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood."

"For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,"

"Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you."

"Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry."

"And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission."

"It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these."

"For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:"

"Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;"

"For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself."

"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:"

"So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32436721


Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

John 3:3-5
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Can a person repent and accept Jesus as savior after death? If not why not? Evidently we all continue on after this life, some heading to heaven and other heading to hell. Why are we resrticted to make this choice during this life or are we?

After I die, if I see God and Jesus and Satan I'll then finally have enough evidence to convince me they exist. Why can I not then go oh ok you got me! I believe...Why would god give us so little evidence to make our choice when belief will be obvious in the afterlife?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39212707


There is no time limit. Hell is not in the Bible. Everyone will come to God eventually. Visit www.tentmaker.org if you want the Biblical proof.
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Can a person repent and accept Jesus as savior after death? If not why not? Evidently we all continue on after this life, some heading to heaven and other heading to hell. Why are we resrticted to make this choice during this life or are we?

After I die, if I see God and Jesus and Satan I'll then finally have enough evidence to convince me they exist. Why can I not then go oh ok you got me! I believe...Why would god give us so little evidence to make our choice when belief will be obvious in the afterlife?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39212707



Hebrews 9:18-28

King James Version (KJV)


"Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood."

"For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,"

"Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you."

"Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry."

"And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission."

"It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these."

"For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:"

"Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;"

"For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself."

"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:"

"So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32436721


Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

John 3:3-5
 Quoting: tmorais



John 3:1-7

King James Version (KJV)


"There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:"

"The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him."

"Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

"Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?"

"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

"That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."

"Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again."






1 Corinthians 15:48-55

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"As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly."

"And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly."

"Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption."

"Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,"

"In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

"For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."

"So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

"O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?"




Hebrews 11:1-6

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"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."

"For by it the elders obtained a good report."

"Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."

"By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh."

"By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God."

"But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."
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"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:"
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That's what OP is asking. There he is getting judged. Can he ask for mercy? Is God merciful?
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Can a person repent and accept Jesus as savior after death? If not why not? Evidently we all continue on after this life, some heading to heaven and other heading to hell. Why are we resrticted to make this choice during this life or are we?

After I die, if I see God and Jesus and Satan I'll then finally have enough evidence to convince me they exist. Why can I not then go oh ok you got me! I believe...Why would god give us so little evidence to make our choice when belief will be obvious in the afterlife?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39212707


There is no time limit. Hell is not in the Bible. Everyone will come to God eventually. Visit www.tentmaker.org if you want the Biblical proof.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36133702



Matthew 10:24-28

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"The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord."

"It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?"

"Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known."

'What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops."

"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."
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Re: Why can't you be saved after death?
Research about reincarnation OP. There is no eternal punishment.

It's only up to you to spiritually evolve.
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"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:"
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That's what OP is asking. There he is getting judged. Can he ask for mercy? Is God merciful?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39186555



John 5:22-26

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"For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:"

"That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him."

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live."

"For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;"
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God told us that he is the god of the living and not the dead.

How can he save you after you're dead if he is no longer your god after death? You cannot be saved - PERIOD - before or after death. The church has perverted the jesus christ messages and almost every 'christian' on this earth has bought into this.
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Why would anyone want God to be?

If you are guilty to what God says He holds you accountable for....why would you want Him to be real?

If you are totally contended to live up your life and existence here for all it has to offer you....why want God?


Why is what determines real from not real.

Why also determines what you get.

It does not matter what you want but why you wanted any way with it at all.....for the tossing or for the crossing...or for the good.

For the fear is acceptable but never for your gain or control or continuation in this existing realm.

That is epic fail...along with reaching for the sceptre.

It is your desire you long for to be real..because you rather have it.

Even those who fear to do a thing can still do it...and break through to the other side to see they are no longer afraid...

But quite content.
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When you die you will pass into the earth .. That is all.

Let this bring you much joy.

There is no hell and Heaven is here on earth, Christians waiting for a kingdom after death have never even entered the kingdom of the lord on earth. This was Jesus Christs command of us, to enter into his kingdom through him in the dark, in secret, here on earth in our minds. He has said this was prayer. Today we call prayer what you see it is.. and this will get you absolutely no where just as Jesus has said it would.
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Because you are Fucking dead
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Only the physical body is. We are immortal and eternal and we are NOT in need of any "saving" crap!!
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Ask Lazurus... I am sure he desired to as well OP.

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Re: Why can't you be saved after death?
because the whole thing is supposed to be that you decide here on earth, choosing to worship God or not, with little or no evidence that there is a God, because "facts" would sway your free will. when do you have completely free will to choose one or the other? when there are no facts to make the choice for you, when it is entirely your whim, when you seemingly have nothing to lose one way or the other. notice that "good" people, by their nature, would (theoretically) choose God, and evil people would choose not. seemingly you are predestined.

after you die it's too late for any of that for the aforementioned reasons.

but then how can you truly choose from your free will when you have christians trying to scare you into worshiping God through of fear of a Hell or promise of a Heaven? wouldn't that cause the same deleterious effect on one's free will as the sights of Hell or Heaven after death? therefore christians are screwing it up, causing people to not really choose to worship God of their own free will, therefore they can only be tools of the devil.
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maybe you arent trully dead until youre "saved"
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Re: Why can't you be saved after death?
Because we have to raise up matter with us.


"When Spirit and matter sound the same note evolution will cease"



But not before.
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OP don't feel inclined to accept what everyone else is subscribing to. The Universe is much more beautiful and complex than the commonly accepted dogma would have you believe...

Do your own investigating and continue to question everything.

peace

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1Pe:4:6:
For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead,
that they might be judged according to men in the flesh,
but live according to God in the spirit.
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Because you have to make that choice before you die.
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A disciple of Jesus was asked if he could bury his father before he followed Him.

Jesus' words were this:

"Follow Me, and let the dead bury their own dead." Matthew 8:22.

Our heavenly Father is the God of the living.

"I am the God of Abraham, the God of Issac, and the God of Jacob.? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living." Matthew 22:32.


Though there are some christian denominations that believe in baptism of the dead for that purpose. Mormanism is one. The Catholic church taught that loved ones could be bought out of purgatory. Neither is scriptural. These traditions came straight from the ancient Babylonian and Egyptian traditions.


"He who is the blessed and only Potentate,the King of kings and Lord of lords, WHO ALONE HAS IMMORTALITY, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see......," 1 Timothy 6:21.
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That's like asking if you can have your cake and eat it too!


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Re: Why can't you be saved after death?
because the whole thing is supposed to be that you decide here on earth, choosing to worship God or not, with little or no evidence that there is a God, because "facts" would sway your free will. when do you have completely free will to choose one or the other? when there are no facts to make the choice for you, when it is entirely your whim, when you seemingly have nothing to lose one way or the other. notice that "good" people, by their nature, would (theoretically) choose God, and evil people would choose not. seemingly you are predestined.

after you die it's too late for any of that for the aforementioned reasons.

but then how can you truly choose from your free will when you have christians trying to scare you into worshiping God through of fear of a Hell or promise of a Heaven? wouldn't that cause the same deleterious effect on one's free will as the sights of Hell or Heaven after death? therefore christians are screwing it up, causing people to not really choose to worship God of their own free will, therefore they can only be tools of the devil.
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WELL SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Can a person repent and accept Jesus as savior after death? If not why not? Evidently we all continue on after this life, some heading to heaven and other heading to hell. Why are we resrticted to make this choice during this life or are we?

After I die, if I see God and Jesus and Satan I'll then finally have enough evidence to convince me they exist. Why can I not then go oh ok you got me! I believe...Why would god give us so little evidence to make our choice when belief will be obvious in the afterlife?
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Because you have enough evidence in this life that Jesus is the way to Heaven, and you have the choice to receive Him or to reject Him. It is appointed unto everyone once to die (except for those who will be translated, snatched, caught up, rescued, raptured right before the Great Tribulation) , and after that the judgment. (It is appointed until everyone once to die and after that the judgment. He is unwilling that any should perish and go to hell, but you have a choice---He did everything He could to give everyone the chance to go to Heaven. No one has an excuse.
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It takes FAR more faith NOT to believe in Him than to just trust Him.... Like Frank Turek always says, "I don't have enough faith to be an atheist."
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"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:"
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That's what OP is asking. There he is getting judged. Can he ask for mercy? Is God merciful?
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God is so full of grace and mercy that He came down and died to cover our sins---He did everything He could do to guarantee you a place in heaven---the rest is up to you.
Receive Him today. Jesus is the Way, the truth and the life.
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It would make the religious work to hard to intimidate and threaten you into compliance.
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Can a person repent and accept Jesus as savior after death? If not why not? Evidently we all continue on after this life, some heading to heaven and other heading to hell. Why are we resrticted to make this choice during this life or are we?

After I die, if I see God and Jesus and Satan I'll then finally have enough evidence to convince me they exist. Why can I not then go oh ok you got me! I believe...Why would god give us so little evidence to make our choice when belief will be obvious in the afterlife?
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according to mormonism you can.

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