I think the Illuminati are in trouble

Good point--- they are jealous of each other-- and of all independent, creative and free thinking people-- and they are descending into psychopathic, nihilistic factions. Luckily for us, a "house divided will not stand." Also, psychopathic nihilists could never manage the planet effectively...lol.
I disagree though, in that I do think they KNOW what MORE they can take: our lives. They want MORE of the planet for themselves, and LESS for us and our children.. hence the bird flu propaganda, which they will release at some point... and blame on China. As their lacky Zbigniew said: 'its easier to kill 1 million than to control 1 million..."

Unfortunately, destruction does yield a return for them: that return is the rebuilding process, which provides the bankers with a huge amount of profitable DEBT. DEBT is what they try to use to control the world and its governments. But many have been waking up to the concept of odious, or phony debt. I don't know how much longer they will be able to use the DEBT game and the FALSE FLAG game to their advantage.

Another advantage of destruction (war) for these creeps is population reduction, which they are obsessed with.

What do you understand the respective goals of the three factions to be?

Here is something I wrote to summarize some of my ideas about this. I have slightly shifted on some of the details since I wrote this a few months ago, but I get three factions in the sense of: The Establishment, The Illumaniti, and Gnostics.

"The thing I had the hardest time with early on as far as comprehending the nature of the “conspiracy” we are faced with, was the apparent competition between the different groups involved. Not so much as in Republicans vs. Democrats, or Capitalism vs. Communism, because its readily apparent that these and other mainstream conflicts are mostly just a puppet show, duality at work/the Hegelian Dialect at play (although I’m starting to reevaluate somewhat the Capitalism/Communism thing, I think there might be some foundation of an actual difference between the goals of the instigators of both groups, at least when the philosophies were initially being set up. This is explained below).

Take Freemasonry and the Catholic Church, for example. The Vatican has a clear record of anti-Masonic actions. It was responsible for disbanding the Knights Templar. It is against catholic rules to even be a Freemason (although they have their own version somewhat, in the Knights of Columbus). Or even broader, the conflict between the church/the Establishment, and paganism. Pretty much everyone on this board will agree that establishment religions of the world are just as esoteric as the traditionally recognized “pagan” groups, yet throughout time the establishment has persecuted mercilessly the beliefs of “witches and warlocks”.

So what is going on? If they are all part of the same conspiracy, why the apparent conflicts? Can it be explained away simply as a turf war, a sort of “Game of Thrones” competition between groups, ultimately holding the same goal but each one wanting to be the first to get there? (This actually is what I have determined went down between the church and Masonry ultimately, although I think it started because the Templars, which went on to become Masonry, were compromised somehow by their exposure to eastern esoteric thought and practices, and after the church took steps to counteract this, the church decided to just disband the whole lot and take the Templar’s monetary stockpile)

Even accounting for the layers of subterfuge present with the false disagreements “They” play out to keep us distracted via politics and social constructs (education disparities, cultural affiliations, sports team allegiances lol) I have always sensed there is an actual difference between the establishment groups and their secret societies (church and state/skull and bones and masonry etc.), and the organizations outside of this framework (various and sundry).


So, what is this difference? What are the goals of both groups?

I believe the answer can be found within the body of Gnostic teachings. Wherein The Demiurge/Yaldaboath/Yahweh has created and maintains this false reality we are caught up in. His archons assist in this. I believe the establishment, which is for the most part the governments etc., takes part in this. They are allied with the archonic control Matrix. These guys are the standard TPTB. They just want the same pyramid style structure of elite rule and control to continue via the deceptions of duality and the Hegelian dialect. They want a “NWO” in the sense of a better system of control, and are actively working toward achieving it as we speak.

However, I also think they face opposition in a group of archons who seek to overthrow their creator. They seek to become the Gods of the Matrix, or variously, to destroy it completely. This was Agent Smith’s goal in The Matrix films, and the Demiurge (the Machines/archons) were forced to ally with Neo to stop this. I have come to the conclusion that the group we commonly refer to as “The Illuminati” may in actuality be this group, and not the group we usually term “The Powers That Be”. They seek a “NWO” in the sense of a true tearing down of precedent, as opposed to the rule of the Old World Order. They seek ascension.

Of course within and around these two opposing sides there is and can be any number of other groups pursuing their own agendas. For example, Alistair Crowley, “The Nobody”, etc, are not easily categorized in my opinion, at least with the information we have".

Last Edited by Frank Frankson on 05/03/2013 08:54 AM

Absolutely right, Innerengineer. Unfortunately, once Lucifer has got a foothold inside their souls through iniquity, it becomes next to impossible for them to see and embrace the real light. And the "light" inside of them is DARKNESS. Repentance is a big part of it but they have been taught to "do what thou wilt.." and never to repent.

I think our biggest weapon now is prayer --- that God would soften and prepare their hearts to receive the gospel, and to repent of wickedness. The Evil will destroy the Wicked unless the wicked TURN from their iniquity.

I think you are speaking of the elite, not the Illuminati.

This.

I have come to the conclusion that "The Illumaniti"(assuming they even call themselves that, I think the Baverian Illumaniti was an Establishment psy-op) and "The Establishemnt"(TPTB/The Elite) oppose eachother.

Last Edited by Frank Frankson on 05/03/2013 09:29 AM

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