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HELP!! Are taxes legal or NOT? Debate going on... What's the FINAL verdict?

 
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Of course taxes are NOT legal. After all You Tube is THE MOST CREDIBLE SOURCE on the internet.

Next April 15th insead of sending in your taxes, write them a note with the You Tube URL and you will be excused from paying taxes forever.

I know this cause I saw a vid on You Tube where a guy did this.

Oh, wait. He posted that vid from jail.
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05/03/2013 08:40 AM
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is that the only alternative you propose??

be a part of THEIR/YOUR community or live on your own?

stupid idiot doesn't realise there are more options available than that.
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Then enlighten us, how do you plan to be a part of a community and at the same time refusing to follow it's rules?
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you think there is only ONE community?
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is that the only alternative you propose??

be a part of THEIR/YOUR community or live on your own?

stupid idiot doesn't realise there are more options available than that.
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Then enlighten us, how do you plan to be a part of a community and at the same time refusing to follow it's rules?
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you think there is only ONE community?
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Then move out of the US. Problem solved :)

I was answering to people asking if you could stay IN the US and not pay taxes, smartpants.

Or you could start your religion like Elron Hubbard. Yes, that could work too.
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Of course taxes are NOT legal. After all You Tube is THE MOST CREDIBLE SOURCE on the internet.

Next April 15th insead of sending in your taxes, write them a note with the You Tube URL and you will be excused from paying taxes forever.

I know this cause I saw a vid on You Tube where a guy did this.

Oh, wait. He posted that vid from jail.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9780236



bottom line is this

use money and you have to file your income.

there is not a law that says that a tax must be paid in gold dollar land or food.



consider its a bit like the USA deficit.

think of the deficit as taxes to other countries.

do the owing of these "taxes" mean anything?
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is that the only alternative you propose??

be a part of THEIR/YOUR community or live on your own?

stupid idiot doesn't realise there are more options available than that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39260624


Then enlighten us, how do you plan to be a part of a community and at the same time refusing to follow it's rules?
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you think there is only ONE community?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39260624


Then move out of the US. Problem solved :)

I was answering to people asking if you could stay IN the US and not pay taxes, smartpants.

Or you could start your religion like Elron Hubbard. Yes, that could work too.
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ok this dipshit thinks that US is a place and not a corporation.

AMERICA is a place. The USA is a fiction.

secondly a community is not the entirety of America.

communities are groups of people who are voluntarily part of the group.

You can not be forced to be a part of a community just because you live somewhere.
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05/03/2013 08:47 AM
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I would really enjoy to see one of you internet badasses walk the talk, stop paying taxes, and resort to your stupid arguments you got from other crazies on internet.

Because as everyone knows it, internet is a very valid source to use to support your claims in a trial.

Seriously, most of you are all talk but no one will actually do it because they know there's no legal background to this shit.

In the end, you are just pussies whining because you have to pay for something you actually benefit from.
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is that the only alternative you propose??

be a part of THEIR/YOUR community or live on your own?

stupid idiot doesn't realise there are more options available than that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39260624


Then enlighten us, how do you plan to be a part of a community and at the same time refusing to follow it's rules?
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Reform the community of its mistaken assumption that it owns a piece of your life/income just by virtue of its desire.
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Well then, reform the laws of the country/state you live in. Good luck with that.
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is that the only alternative you propose??

be a part of THEIR/YOUR community or live on your own?

stupid idiot doesn't realise there are more options available than that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39260624


Then enlighten us, how do you plan to be a part of a community and at the same time refusing to follow it's rules?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099


Reform the community of its mistaken assumption that it owns a piece of your life/income just by virtue of its desire.
 Quoting: The Comedian


Well then, reform the laws of the country/state you live in. Good luck with that.
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you idiot yet again

there is no need to reform the laws because its an assumption it is law.

geez!
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05/03/2013 08:53 AM
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You're the typical european marxist scum...

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And you are the typical libertarian nutjob who doesn't understand what are taxes for.

I long for the day the US become a libertarian dream, and the country collapses because no one wants to pay taxes anymore because anyone turned uber-selfish (even more than today! can you imagine?)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099


Unlike you I know that the MARXIST income tax is (legal) slavery and never has been used to help the community, it goes straight to the bankers which is the whole point of slavery!

Most of all the other avoidable "passive" taxes are fine and actually serve a purpose for the community. In germany we have to pay taxes for owning a car, which is perfectly okay and reasonable since this money pays for the roads and maintenance...

Income taxes go nowhere but to the bankers, it's the ultimate con job of psychopaths who print the money which is backed up by absolutely nothing.
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you idiot yet again

there is no need to reform the laws because its an assumption it is law.

geez!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39260624


Then prove it. Stop paying taxes, defend your rights in court, and be the first armchair sovereign citizen to prove he isn't full of shit.
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05/03/2013 08:56 AM
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There are laws but they are invalid and unconstitutional.

state/local town taxes are much more reasonable and I would want to pay back to help my town. But Federal IRS taxes are 100% illegal and unconstitutional. I feel this thread has a lot more information:

Thread: The IRS is an ILLEGAL institution - PROOF
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Income taxes go nowhere but to the bankers
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You are so stupid it hurts. You make one generalization and believe it's actually the truth.
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you idiot yet again

there is no need to reform the laws because its an assumption it is law.

geez!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39260624


Then prove it. Stop paying taxes, defend your rights in court, and be the first armchair sovereign citizen to prove he isn't full of shit.
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sovereign citizen is an oxymoron
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you idiot yet again

there is no need to reform the laws because its an assumption it is law.

geez!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39260624


Then prove it. Stop paying taxes, defend your rights in court, and be the first armchair sovereign citizen to prove he isn't full of shit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099


sovereign citizen is an oxymoron
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And you are all talk but no walk.
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I would really enjoy to see one of you internet badasses walk the talk, stop paying taxes, and resort to your stupid arguments you got from other crazies on internet.

Because as everyone knows it, internet is a very valid source to use to support your claims in a trial.

Seriously, most of you are all talk but no one will actually do it because they know there's no legal background to this shit.

In the end, you are just pussies whining because you have to pay for something you actually benefit from.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099



How do I benefit from rich bankers, endless wars, and violation of ALL of my rights? THAT'S what my taxes go for... that and killing babies in as many countries as possible... and don't even try telling me the roads I travel on is what my taxes go towards, cause where I live, they do NOT fix them (SO SUCK IT!) AND you can have your crummy roads if that means you keep your crummy wars, as well.

If the internet is such a crappy place to get info, what are YOU doing on this website, O shillacious one?
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05/03/2013 09:02 AM
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I would really enjoy to see one of you internet badasses walk the talk, stop paying taxes, and resort to your stupid arguments you got from other crazies on internet.

Because as everyone knows it, internet is a very valid source to use to support your claims in a trial.

Seriously, most of you are all talk but no one will actually do it because they know there's no legal background to this shit.

In the end, you are just pussies whining because you have to pay for something you actually benefit from.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099



How do I benefit from rich bankers, endless wars, and violation of ALL of my rights? THAT'S what my taxes go for... that and killing babies in as many countries as possible... and don't even try telling me the roads I travel on is what my taxes go towards, cause where I live, they do NOT fix them (SO SUCK IT!) AND you can have your crummy roads if that means you keep your crummy wars, as well.

If the internet is such a crappy place to get info, what are YOU doing on this website, O shillacious one?
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I have yet to see americans protest against scummy bankers. At least in Belgium people went many times in the street to criticize the gov and the banks.

I have yet to see that from fat lazy Americans who claim on the net they shouldn't pay taxes, but never do so in real life.

Whining pussies with no balls.
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It doesn't matter if there is a law, as long as those with power wish to take your things.

The only thing you can do is run and hide.

Unless you can tell them to stop, and make them listen to you, you'd best pay your taxes.

Just like any situation similar to it. When the mob came to shake down your shop, you didn't beat up the three guys they sent, because they WOULD burn your shop down.

Don't pay the master? They will take your freedom. As someone said earlier, just ask Mr. Snipes.
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I would really enjoy to see one of you internet badasses walk the talk, stop paying taxes, and resort to your stupid arguments you got from other crazies on internet.

Because as everyone knows it, internet is a very valid source to use to support your claims in a trial.

Seriously, most of you are all talk but no one will actually do it because they know there's no legal background to this shit.

In the end, you are just pussies whining because you have to pay for something you actually benefit from.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099



How do I benefit from rich bankers, endless wars, and violation of ALL of my rights? THAT'S what my taxes go for... that and killing babies in as many countries as possible... and don't even try telling me the roads I travel on is what my taxes go towards, cause where I live, they do NOT fix them (SO SUCK IT!) AND you can have your crummy roads if that means you keep your crummy wars, as well.

If the internet is such a crappy place to get info, what are YOU doing on this website, O shillacious one?
 Quoting: NOLAButterfly


I have yet to see americans protest against scummy bankers. At least in Belgium people went many times in the street to criticize the gov and the banks.

I have yet to see that from fat lazy Americans who claim on the net they shouldn't pay taxes, but never do so in real life.

Whining pussies with no balls.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099


Did doing that fix the problems?
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Did doing that fix the problems?
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At least the government isn't ignoring the problem anymore.

This years, laws have been voted to drastically reduce the salary of the top managers working for public companies, and in the EU, there has never been so much voices in favor of bank sector regulation.

But eh, how would you know if you don't even try?
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You render unto Caesar, what is his, otherwise, NO.

What does this mean?

Whatever the government owns, you pay.

What does Caesar Own? NOT A DAMN THING, that's what.

Who quoted the above?

JESUS.

What did he mean? GOD owns everything. You OWE GOD, not man.
If you pay sales tax, ok....
IRS? corrupt as hell. NOT OF GOD.
If laws are made against GOD and what He wanted for his creation, then you don't comply.

I'll stick with his premise.
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fucking greedy communists who think their community is above the needs of the individual.
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You are so stupid you don't even understand the needs of the community are the needs of a sum of individuals.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099


that's irrelevant.

you can't force someone to be part of a community.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39260624


That's why I said if you don't want to, you can always become a hermit.

But these people who don't want to pay taxes don't want to. They just are selfish. They wan't to use infrastructures but refuse to pay for it. Because they are greedy, selfish, and deluded into thinking they can do everything better than the state.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099


How do you NOT use infrastructure??? Infrastructure has been laid on TOP OF EVERYTHING? I would LOVE to go live off the land, but I am NOT ALLOWED TO! I can not hunt without a permit, I can not just pitch a tent where ever I want without paying camping fees, and if I find a piece of wilderness I want to live on and cultivate and start my own family on, I will be removed as not having the right... so tell me how exactly you expect me to get off of the infrastructure that claims EVERYTHING???
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The banking/finance sector is dominated by the UK and the US.

Any try from the EU to get the sector regulated to avoid new crisis is always brushed away by people like here who call europeans "communists", not even understanding that bank sector regulation would actually benefit THEM TOO.

They criticize the banks, and criticize any country advocating for more regulations calling them "commies". Can't you see how paradoxical they are?

If you want the greedy bankers start paying, better working know on making your voices heard in the US and UK because these are the main countries blocking any effort to get those crazy bankers accountable for what they did.
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so tell me how exactly you expect me to get off of the infrastructure that claims EVERYTHING???
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That's exactly why I say, if you are not happy with the laws of you state/country, shut up or get the fuck out.

Or become a politician and try to change laws.
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If you use FRN. federal reserve notes, you are required to pay tax for the use of private money, by contract with them.

Redeem FRN's for lawful money and you don't have to pay taxes on the use of FRN's. Stop contracting with the Fed, until you do you are bound by their corporate rule, by contract.

Thread: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul (Page 89)

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Did doing that fix the problems?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 499151


At least the government isn't ignoring the problem anymore.

This years, laws have been voted to drastically reduce the salary of the top managers working for public companies, and in the EU, there has never been so much voices in favor of bank sector regulation.

But eh, how would you know if you don't even try?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099


It's not too hard to understand why a Belgian doesn't understand the fundamentals of freedom..

They just love being told what the fuck to do..

And to be honest I think it's right for them.. They are obviously incapable of being free and taking responsibility for themselves..

They act like children so should be treated like children..

It's no coincidence the the totalitarian E.U. headquarters are based there..

It's just a shame they think the rest of us are so weak and useless..
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Did doing that fix the problems?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 499151


At least the government isn't ignoring the problem anymore.

This years, laws have been voted to drastically reduce the salary of the top managers working for public companies, and in the EU, there has never been so much voices in favor of bank sector regulation.

But eh, how would you know if you don't even try?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099


It's not too hard to understand why a Belgian doesn't understand the fundamentals of freedom..

They just love being told what the fuck to do..

And to be honest I think it's right for them.. They are obviously incapable of being free and taking responsibility for themselves..

They act like children so should be treated like children..

It's no coincidence the the totalitarian E.U. headquarters are based there..

It's just a shame they think the rest of us are so weak and useless..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39163888


Lol, yeah, actually Belgians DO go in the street to protest, something that Americans can't even do.


Attack me because you can't attack my ideas :D
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Income taxes go nowhere but to the bankers
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39257684


You are so stupid it hurts. You make one generalization and believe it's actually the truth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099


The same could be said about you as well, you also "make one generalization and believe it's actually the truth."

Now what? Get off your butt and find out what the income tax is REALLY all about and why Marx wanted it so badly, I suggest you start with the actual definition of "slavery"...

Btw I did walk the "sovereign" walk in germany and no longer have to get "mandatory" health insurance either, because I am no longer a german citizen (federal employee), I rescinded all my contracts with the government and therefore I no longer have/use a taxable title (social security etc)... I am now only part of the people, the republic, the state, only ruled by common law (Sittengesetz) which is also mentioned in our constitution.

Unlike you I despise socialism and waived all benefits as well, no more welfare, disability or unemployment etc for me... if I screw up and lose my job I gotta deal with it myself, freedom brings responsibility.

Even the german wiki entry for the Federal Republic of Germany correctly explains that our government is a democracy while our STATE is a republic, they are two entirely different entities with different jurisdictions just like in America etc...

USC › Title 28 › Part VI › Chapter 176 › Subchapter A › § 3002

(15) “United States” means—
(A) a Federal corporation;

If you work for this kind of corporation (government) under the title of citizen/person (birth certificate, social security), you are taxable, it's perfectly legal but most people shouldn't do it.

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Did doing that fix the problems?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 499151


At least the government isn't ignoring the problem anymore.

This years, laws have been voted to drastically reduce the salary of the top managers working for public companies, and in the EU, there has never been so much voices in favor of bank sector regulation.

But eh, how would you know if you don't even try?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099


It's not too hard to understand why a Belgian doesn't understand the fundamentals of freedom..

They just love being told what the fuck to do..

And to be honest I think it's right for them.. They are obviously incapable of being free and taking responsibility for themselves..

They act like children so should be treated like children..

It's no coincidence the the totalitarian E.U. headquarters are based there..

It's just a shame they think the rest of us are so weak and useless..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39163888


Lol, yeah, actually Belgians DO go in the street to protest, something that Americans can't even do.


Attack me because you can't attack my ideas :D
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099


They are not your ideas, they are what the TV told you to think!
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It's no coincidence the the totalitarian E.U. headquarters are based there..

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It's no coincidence that the finance headquarters worldwide are Wall Street and London, US and UK have always been sucking bankers cocks.

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