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Money is stupid, illogical; Alien races would laugh at us for mindlessly playing with our lives with such a concept as money and hierchal systems

 
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Money is stupid, illogical; Alien races would laugh at us for mindlessly playing with our lives with such a concept as money and hierchal systems
Imagine a land of plenty, and how much happier we'd be with marijuana as the backbone of our advanced civilization.
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Re: Money is stupid, illogical; Alien races would laugh at us for mindlessly playing with our lives with such a concept as money and hierchal systems
That's a very nice thought but taking away rich people's reason to live is not high up on the agenda.
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everyone should just work together and have it not possible for some one to be higher up then some one else
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everyone should just work together and have it not possible for some one to be higher up then some one else
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Like that would work, it is called communism, and has been a dismal failure everywhere it was tried.
All it begets is a society of poverty, lack and need.
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No. Victoria Beckham is better than you. Money says so. Suck it. butteyebat
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Re: Money is stupid, illogical; Alien races would laugh at us for mindlessly playing with our lives with such a concept as money and hierchal systems
how is it communism ?

equal everything

you want something you got to help do something to earn it no body can buy anything it can only be earned or you can help build it ect ect GET IT?
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Re: Money is stupid, illogical; Alien races would laugh at us for mindlessly playing with our lives with such a concept as money and hierchal systems
everyone should just work together and have it not possible for some one to be higher up then some one else
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39319230

Like that would work, it is called communism, and has been a dismal failure everywhere it was tried.
All it begets is a society of poverty, lack and need.
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Well, if you want to talk conspiracies... maybe TPTB or whomever won't allow it to succeed. After all, why is there always a ruling elite or dictator at the top of a commy/socialist nation??
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everyone should just work together and have it not possible for some one to be higher up then some one else
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39319230

Like that would work, it is called communism, and has been a dismal failure everywhere it was tried.
All it begets is a society of poverty, lack and need.
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This has nothing to do with communism !

If all people are free and can just do what they want it is something else.

In communism there is still one person on top but every else is just a slave like another.

Capitalism makes it a bit different but still this is a pyramid structure and we all know what this means.

A balanced system means it balances with all things.
Only then you can have a healthy and growing view.

Get this in your head as you are still brainwashed with this capi and commi crap. It is almost the same shit
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Re: Money is stupid, illogical; Alien races would laugh at us for mindlessly playing with our lives with such a concept as money and hierchal systems
the universe itself is a hierarchal system

it's your liberal brain washing that has caused you to think this is unnatural
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There is nothing hierachical about your cells functioning.
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Re: Money is stupid, illogical; Alien races would laugh at us for mindlessly playing with our lives with such a concept as money and hierchal systems
the universe itself is a hierarchal system

it's your liberal brain washing that has caused you to think this is unnatural
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Maybe the brain got brainwashed then how do you think it is unnatural ?

If you don't understand nature then you cant compare.
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it's your liberal brain washing that has caused you to think this is unnatural
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There is nothing hierachical about your cells functioning.
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Good point.
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Re: Money is stupid, illogical; Alien races would laugh at us for mindlessly playing with our lives with such a concept as money and hierchal systems
The problem OP is that your concept basically resembles the current system of socialism and communism. The reason all types of government eventually fail are all related - the greed of people in power. Eventually it might even be the downfall of the system we have now.

Don't get me wrong, in concept what you are saying is completely logical, and maybe, sometime far in the future, we will reach a point of evolution where those types of systems would work. Personally, though, I would wager we are still a couple thousand years out from that, if ever. A greedier, more violent, warlike race has never walked this planet. Between those who would ruin everyone for their own gain and those who have become so apathetic to it, there is zero chance of a system like that working where it wouldn't eventually collapse.

Capitalism may have its' flaws, and there is no debating that, but it is the only system that has made it even possible for people to progress upward by their own design.
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Re: Money is stupid, illogical; Alien races would laugh at us for mindlessly playing with our lives with such a concept as money and hierchal systems
Imagine a land of plenty, and how much happier we'd be with marijuana as the backbone of our advanced civilization.
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Yeah, so much would be accomplished in a World of stoners. Hope you don't get the munchies, farmer Jim was too f-ed up to plant a crop and we are out of food. At least you can eat the head high grass on your lawn.
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Re: Money is stupid, illogical; Alien races would laugh at us for mindlessly playing with our lives with such a concept as money and hierchal systems
the universe itself is a hierarchal system

it's your liberal brain washing that has caused you to think this is unnatural
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There is nothing hierachical about your cells functioning.
 Quoting: TruthMinion

Yes, there is. In case of starvation less vital functions are shut down or curtailed in order for nutrients to be diverted to the brain and vital organs. That is a hierarchy in action.
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the universe itself is a hierarchal system

it's your liberal brain washing that has caused you to think this is unnatural
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There is nothing hierachical about your cells functioning.
 Quoting: TruthMinion

Yes, there is. In case of starvation less vital functions are shut down or curtailed in order for nutrients to be diverted to the brain and vital organs. That is a hierarchy in action.
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No. Cooperation and effective decision making.

All participate. All act.
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Re: Money is stupid, illogical; Alien races would laugh at us for mindlessly playing with our lives with such a concept as money and hierchal systems
"Each species is involved in a cooperative venture, upon which ultimately all earthly existence rests. You project your present beliefs backward into history, and you misinterpret many of the conditions that you observe in the natural world. This cooperation that I speak of is based on love, and that love has a biological as well as a spiritual basis. Your beliefs, for example, cause you to deny the existence of emotions in animals, and any instances of love among them are assigned to "blind" instinct."

Seth/Jane Roberts



"Nothing exists - neither rock, mineral, plant, animal or air - that is not filled with consciousness of its own kind. So you stand amid a constant vital commotion, a gestalt of aware energy, and you are yourselves physically composed of conscious cells that carry within themselves the realization of their own identity, that cooperate willingly to form the corporeal structure that is your physical body"

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Re: Money is stupid, illogical; Alien races would laugh at us for mindlessly playing with our lives with such a concept as money and hierchal systems
the universe itself is a hierarchal system

it's your liberal brain washing that has caused you to think this is unnatural
 Quoting: Ghetto Monk


There is nothing hierachical about your cells functioning.
 Quoting: TruthMinion


I'm pretty sure there is....
 Quoting: Ghetto Monk


cruise
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the universe itself is a hierarchal system

it's your liberal brain washing that has caused you to think this is unnatural
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The universe is not hierarchical; its fractal. There's a big difference.
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the universe itself is a hierarchal system

it's your liberal brain washing that has caused you to think this is unnatural
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The universe is not hierarchical; its fractal. There's a big difference.
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The Universe is in fact hierarchical.
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everyone should just work together and have it not possible for some one to be higher up then some one else
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Like that would work, it is called communism, and has been a dismal failure everywhere it was tried.
All it begets is a society of poverty, lack and need.
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Yes, everyone should work together. There should also be world peace, and I should be able to eat Ben & Jerry's and not see it eternally after on my hips.

Human nature is such that the majority of people will work harder if they see the direct fruits of their labour. Its also true that people will use less electricity in a co-op apartment building if each apartment is metered (ie you pay for what YOU use) than in those where each apartment "pays their share": human nature.

So. Capitalism, as ugly as it is on its face produces the biggest pie WHILE using the least energy (and thus saving the environment). The win-win-win.

How does one account for the production? Money. When that money results from those who are growing the pie (in an energy-efficient manner, of course), and not those who are moving pieces around the pan, or worse, shaving pieces off of it like the ancient Romans with their denarii, we all benefit.

The problem is not with those that produce the pie, it is with those who meaninglessly move the pieces around, OR WORSE STEAL.
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Re: Money is stupid, illogical; Alien races would laugh at us for mindlessly playing with our lives with such a concept as money and hierchal systems
the universe itself is a hierarchal system

it's your liberal brain washing that has caused you to think this is unnatural
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The universe is not hierarchical; its fractal. There's a big difference.
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The Universe is in fact hierarchical.
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Because you say, eh mate?blwkss
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“Cooperation is always a vibrant and necessary law, and you may add cooperation to our list of laws governing the inner universe.

“Now, this constant creation of the universe is not maintained through some localized subconscious that exists somewhere between two ears, behind the forehead. The individual subconscious, as I have explained, is the result of a psychic pooling of resources and abilities. It is a gestalt, maintained and formed by the cooperating, generalized consciousness of each atom and molecule of which the physical body is composed.

“Each individual atom within its generalized consciousness has the capacity, in some degree, to construct its portion of energy into physical construction. It is extremely important that you understand this fact, and realize that the individual cells, for example, lose no individuality in the process, and gain immeasurably, the whole physical structure of the body being the result of this cooperation of cells which are themselves the result of cooperation of atoms and molecules.

“The resulting pattern or physical body makes it possible for the cells, atoms and molecules to express themselves, and to fulfill abilities that would be impossible for them in another context. They share to some degree in the perspective reached through the abilities of a physically-large body structure, in a way that would be denied to them in other fashions.

From their cooperation they achieve a value fulfillment along certain lines. I mentioned the capacity for infinite mobility and transmutation as being one of the laws of the inner universe. The reflection of this law is seen in the latent ability for almost infinite varieties of structures, and endless combinations that can be achieved by the atoms and molecules, and smaller particles of your universe.

You remember that value fulfillment is also one of our laws of the inner universe, and in this particular instance, the atoms and molecules have the opportunity for value fulfillment along many lines, according to the form that their cooperation and combination may take.

“I am explaining this matter rather thoroughly because we will be getting to matters concerning the entity [inner ego] and its personality developments. The entity, for example, works with the same sort of individual cooperation, and uses building blocks of energy in much the same manner, that the atoms and molecules in the physical world combine to form cells, organs, and the whole structure of the physical body.

“As the various cells maintain their individuality, as they gain in terms of value fulfillment by cooperation and still retain their uniqueness, so also do the various personalities retain their individuality and uniqueness while still cooperatimg to form the psychic structure of the entity, which in one context also forms them; and with this little problem I will let you take your break. There are more ways to see what is inside an egg than cracking, it, a s you will discover.

Seth - Jane Roberts
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everyone should just work together and have it not possible for some one to be higher up then some one else
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39319230

Like that would work, it is called communism, and has been a dismal failure everywhere it was tried.
All it begets is a society of poverty, lack and need.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39243704


Yes, everyone should work together. There should also be world peace, and I should be able to eat Ben & Jerry's and not see it eternally after on my hips.

Human nature is such that the majority of people will work harder if they see the direct fruits of their labour. Its also true that people will use less electricity in a co-op apartment building if each apartment is metered (ie you pay for what YOU use) than in those where each apartment "pays their share": human nature.

So. Capitalism, as ugly as it is on its face produces the biggest pie WHILE using the least energy (and thus saving the environment). The win-win-win.

How does one account for the production? Money. When that money results from those who are growing the pie (in an energy-efficient manner, of course), and not those who are moving pieces around the pan, or worse, shaving pieces off of it like the ancient Romans with their denarii, we all benefit.

The problem is not with those that produce the pie, it is with those who meaninglessly move the pieces around, OR WORSE STEAL.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19091052


You are comming from a thinking place that energy is limited.

It is not.

Your argument becomes infantile/amateurish OR manipulative.
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everyone should just work together and have it not possible for some one to be higher up then some one else
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39319230

Like that would work, it is called communism, and has been a dismal failure everywhere it was tried.
All it begets is a society of poverty, lack and need.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39243704


Yes, everyone should work together. There should also be world peace, and I should be able to eat Ben & Jerry's and not see it eternally after on my hips.

Human nature is such that the majority of people will work harder if they see the direct fruits of their labour. Its also true that people will use less electricity in a co-op apartment building if each apartment is metered (ie you pay for what YOU use) than in those where each apartment "pays their share": human nature.

So. Capitalism, as ugly as it is on its face produces the biggest pie WHILE using the least energy (and thus saving the environment). The win-win-win.

How does one account for the production? Money. When that money results from those who are growing the pie (in an energy-efficient manner, of course), and not those who are moving pieces around the pan, or worse, shaving pieces off of it like the ancient Romans with their denarii, we all benefit.

The problem is not with those that produce the pie, it is with those who meaninglessly move the pieces around, OR WORSE STEAL.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19091052


You are comming from a thinking place that energy is limited.

It is not.

Your argument becomes infantile/amateurish OR manipulative.
 Quoting: TruthMinion


Indeed. Energy is unlimited, and should be free for all. There is no need to use oil.
Quod est superius est sicut quod est inferius.

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Like that would work, it is called communism, and has been a dismal failure everywhere it was tried.
All it begets is a society of poverty, lack and need.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39243704


Yes, everyone should work together. There should also be world peace, and I should be able to eat Ben & Jerry's and not see it eternally after on my hips.

Human nature is such that the majority of people will work harder if they see the direct fruits of their labour. Its also true that people will use less electricity in a co-op apartment building if each apartment is metered (ie you pay for what YOU use) than in those where each apartment "pays their share": human nature.

So. Capitalism, as ugly as it is on its face produces the biggest pie WHILE using the least energy (and thus saving the environment). The win-win-win.

How does one account for the production? Money. When that money results from those who are growing the pie (in an energy-efficient manner, of course), and not those who are moving pieces around the pan, or worse, shaving pieces off of it like the ancient Romans with their denarii, we all benefit.

The problem is not with those that produce the pie, it is with those who meaninglessly move the pieces around, OR WORSE STEAL.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19091052


You are comming from a thinking place that energy is limited.

It is not.

Your argument becomes infantile/amateurish OR manipulative.
 Quoting: TruthMinion


Indeed. Energy is unlimited, and should be free for all. There is no need to use oil.
 Quoting: Lawlis


And money does not account for anything. It is labor.

Money is the only method that people use to get others to perform the LABOR.

It could be volunteer.

But that requires a different motivation in people.

But the money itself does not create anything.

Nothing. Zip. Nada!
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Yes, everyone should work together. There should also be world peace, and I should be able to eat Ben & Jerry's and not see it eternally after on my hips.

Human nature is such that the majority of people will work harder if they see the direct fruits of their labour. Its also true that people will use less electricity in a co-op apartment building if each apartment is metered (ie you pay for what YOU use) than in those where each apartment "pays their share": human nature.

So. Capitalism, as ugly as it is on its face produces the biggest pie WHILE using the least energy (and thus saving the environment). The win-win-win.

How does one account for the production? Money. When that money results from those who are growing the pie (in an energy-efficient manner, of course), and not those who are moving pieces around the pan, or worse, shaving pieces off of it like the ancient Romans with their denarii, we all benefit.

The problem is not with those that produce the pie, it is with those who meaninglessly move the pieces around, OR WORSE STEAL.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19091052


You are comming from a thinking place that energy is limited.

It is not.

Your argument becomes infantile/amateurish OR manipulative.
 Quoting: TruthMinion


Indeed. Energy is unlimited, and should be free for all. There is no need to use oil.
 Quoting: Lawlis


And money does not account for anything. It is labor.

Money is the only method that people use to get others to perform the LABOR.

It could be volunteer.

But that requires a different motivation in people.

But the money itself does not create anything.

Nothing. Zip. Nada!
 Quoting: TruthMinion



Well, you got that right. So the point is, as not all labor is equally pleasurable ,nor everyone is equally apt to perform every kind of labor, then were labor to be voluntary, who would volunteer to do the most unwanted labor? How would you distribute labor in a moneyless system? Find that answer and I will listen, but doubt you will, because there's none and that's why we're stuck where we are-
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You are comming from a thinking place that energy is limited.

It is not.

Your argument becomes infantile/amateurish OR manipulative.
 Quoting: TruthMinion


Indeed. Energy is unlimited, and should be free for all. There is no need to use oil.
 Quoting: Lawlis


And money does not account for anything. It is labor.

Money is the only method that people use to get others to perform the LABOR.

It could be volunteer.

But that requires a different motivation in people.

But the money itself does not create anything.

Nothing. Zip. Nada!
 Quoting: TruthMinion



Well, you got that right. So the point is, as not all labor is equally pleasurable ,nor everyone is equally apt to perform every kind of labor, then were labor to be voluntary, who would volunteer to do the most unwanted labor? How would you EQUALLY distribute labor in a moneyless system? Find that answer and I will listen, but doubt you will, because there's none and that's why we're stuck where we are-
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Sorry fixed.
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the universe itself is a hierarchal system

it's your liberal brain washing that has caused you to think this is unnatural
 Quoting: Ghetto Monk


Yes and on the hierarchy humans are low indeed. KD
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Re: Money is stupid, illogical; Alien races would laugh at us for mindlessly playing with our lives with such a concept as money and hierchal systems
When settlers first came to this country, mult
iple groups tried the moneyless society idea where people worked for the common good. EVERYONE STARVED TO DEATH!!!!


Money is not good or evil, it just is. If I got the same amount of goods and services no matter how hard I worked, I would stay home all day and enjoy life. Instead of putting in those long hour on the farm.

I just finished work for the day at 8:30 at night, because it takes a lot of work, especially in the spring, to get my crops to grow. Then I read the B.S. on this site about no money. You lazy SOB's just want to live a comfortable life without work. GROW UP!!!!

No-one owes you food, clothing, a house, or any of your electronic toys. It is your responsibility as a human being to provide those things for yourself with your labor. The government and the corporations did not invent work, God invented work. Now get off your butt and go find a job, start a business, or at least try to grow some food to eat.
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Well, you got that right. So the point is, as not all labor is equally pleasurable ,nor everyone is equally apt to perform every kind of labor, then were labor to be voluntary, who would volunteer to do the most unwanted labor? How would you distribute labor in a moneyless system? Find that answer and I will listen, but doubt you will, because there's none and that's why we're stuck where we are-
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The world is composed of various levels of souls development:

infant - baby - young - mature and old souls


You can get infant and baby souls to do the "dirty" work, and they will do gladly since their CONSCIOUSNESS does not give value to anything very complex.

They LIKE being "dumb". Manual laborers.

But nothing stops you from doing volunteer work in those kinds of jobs, for a three month period for your soul's growth and understanding.

That is the money-less way.

Pratical, doable and farier.
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When settlers first came to this country, mult
iple groups tried the moneyless society idea where people worked for the common good. EVERYONE STARVED TO DEATH!!!!


Money is not good or evil, it just is. If I got the same amount of goods and services no matter how hard I worked, I would stay home all day and enjoy life. Instead of putting in those long hour on the farm.

I just finished work for the day at 8:30 at night, because it takes a lot of work, especially in the spring, to get my crops to grow. Then I read the B.S. on this site about no money. You lazy SOB's just want to live a comfortable life without work. GROW UP!!!!

No-one owes you food, clothing, a house, or any of your electronic toys. It is your responsibility as a human being to provide those things for yourself with your labor. The government and the corporations did not invent work, God invented work. Now get off your butt and go find a job, start a business, or at least try to grow some food to eat.
 Quoting: samanthasunflower


That was then when people had to REALLY work.

Now we have many tools and machines to make our hard-work less of a chore.

The Royalty concept was developed, created and imposed, by VERY VERY LAZY BITCHES so that others did the hard work for them.

Everyone is lazy by nature a bit. So no need to preach about lazyness in people, since the "elite" is there to prove your point abundantly.

But many DO like working.

They bitch about the money that they make. Not as much about the WORK itself.
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