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Money is stupid, illogical; Alien races would laugh at us for mindlessly playing with our lives with such a concept as money and hierchal systems

 
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Money is stupid, illogical; Alien races would laugh at us for mindlessly playing with our lives with such a concept as money and hierchal systems
Imagine a land of plenty, and how much happier we'd be with marijuana as the backbone of our advanced civilization.
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That's a very nice thought but taking away rich people's reason to live is not high up on the agenda.
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everyone should just work together and have it not possible for some one to be higher up then some one else
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everyone should just work together and have it not possible for some one to be higher up then some one else
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Like that would work, it is called communism, and has been a dismal failure everywhere it was tried.
All it begets is a society of poverty, lack and need.
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No. Victoria Beckham is better than you. Money says so. Suck it. butteyebat
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Re: Money is stupid, illogical; Alien races would laugh at us for mindlessly playing with our lives with such a concept as money and hierchal systems
how is it communism ?

equal everything

you want something you got to help do something to earn it no body can buy anything it can only be earned or you can help build it ect ect GET IT?
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everyone should just work together and have it not possible for some one to be higher up then some one else
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Like that would work, it is called communism, and has been a dismal failure everywhere it was tried.
All it begets is a society of poverty, lack and need.
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Well, if you want to talk conspiracies... maybe TPTB or whomever won't allow it to succeed. After all, why is there always a ruling elite or dictator at the top of a commy/socialist nation??
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everyone should just work together and have it not possible for some one to be higher up then some one else
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39319230

Like that would work, it is called communism, and has been a dismal failure everywhere it was tried.
All it begets is a society of poverty, lack and need.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39243704


This has nothing to do with communism !

If all people are free and can just do what they want it is something else.

In communism there is still one person on top but every else is just a slave like another.

Capitalism makes it a bit different but still this is a pyramid structure and we all know what this means.

A balanced system means it balances with all things.
Only then you can have a healthy and growing view.

Get this in your head as you are still brainwashed with this capi and commi crap. It is almost the same shit
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Re: Money is stupid, illogical; Alien races would laugh at us for mindlessly playing with our lives with such a concept as money and hierchal systems
the universe itself is a hierarchal system

it's your liberal brain washing that has caused you to think this is unnatural
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Maybe the brain got brainwashed then how do you think it is unnatural ?

If you don't understand nature then you cant compare.
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the universe itself is a hierarchal system

it's your liberal brain washing that has caused you to think this is unnatural
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There is nothing hierachical about your cells functioning.
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Good point.
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Re: Money is stupid, illogical; Alien races would laugh at us for mindlessly playing with our lives with such a concept as money and hierchal systems
The problem OP is that your concept basically resembles the current system of socialism and communism. The reason all types of government eventually fail are all related - the greed of people in power. Eventually it might even be the downfall of the system we have now.

Don't get me wrong, in concept what you are saying is completely logical, and maybe, sometime far in the future, we will reach a point of evolution where those types of systems would work. Personally, though, I would wager we are still a couple thousand years out from that, if ever. A greedier, more violent, warlike race has never walked this planet. Between those who would ruin everyone for their own gain and those who have become so apathetic to it, there is zero chance of a system like that working where it wouldn't eventually collapse.

Capitalism may have its' flaws, and there is no debating that, but it is the only system that has made it even possible for people to progress upward by their own design.
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Re: Money is stupid, illogical; Alien races would laugh at us for mindlessly playing with our lives with such a concept as money and hierchal systems
Imagine a land of plenty, and how much happier we'd be with marijuana as the backbone of our advanced civilization.
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Yeah, so much would be accomplished in a World of stoners. Hope you don't get the munchies, farmer Jim was too f-ed up to plant a crop and we are out of food. At least you can eat the head high grass on your lawn.
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Re: Money is stupid, illogical; Alien races would laugh at us for mindlessly playing with our lives with such a concept as money and hierchal systems
the universe itself is a hierarchal system

it's your liberal brain washing that has caused you to think this is unnatural
 Quoting: Ghetto Monk


There is nothing hierachical about your cells functioning.
 Quoting: TruthMinion

Yes, there is. In case of starvation less vital functions are shut down or curtailed in order for nutrients to be diverted to the brain and vital organs. That is a hierarchy in action.
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the universe itself is a hierarchal system

it's your liberal brain washing that has caused you to think this is unnatural
 Quoting: Ghetto Monk


There is nothing hierachical about your cells functioning.
 Quoting: TruthMinion


I'm pretty sure there is....
 Quoting: Ghetto Monk


cruise
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the universe itself is a hierarchal system

it's your liberal brain washing that has caused you to think this is unnatural
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The universe is not hierarchical; its fractal. There's a big difference.
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the universe itself is a hierarchal system

it's your liberal brain washing that has caused you to think this is unnatural
 Quoting: Ghetto Monk


The universe is not hierarchical; its fractal. There's a big difference.
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The Universe is in fact hierarchical.
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Re: Money is stupid, illogical; Alien races would laugh at us for mindlessly playing with our lives with such a concept as money and hierchal systems
everyone should just work together and have it not possible for some one to be higher up then some one else
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Like that would work, it is called communism, and has been a dismal failure everywhere it was tried.
All it begets is a society of poverty, lack and need.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39243704


Yes, everyone should work together. There should also be world peace, and I should be able to eat Ben & Jerry's and not see it eternally after on my hips.

Human nature is such that the majority of people will work harder if they see the direct fruits of their labour. Its also true that people will use less electricity in a co-op apartment building if each apartment is metered (ie you pay for what YOU use) than in those where each apartment "pays their share": human nature.

So. Capitalism, as ugly as it is on its face produces the biggest pie WHILE using the least energy (and thus saving the environment). The win-win-win.

How does one account for the production? Money. When that money results from those who are growing the pie (in an energy-efficient manner, of course), and not those who are moving pieces around the pan, or worse, shaving pieces off of it like the ancient Romans with their denarii, we all benefit.

The problem is not with those that produce the pie, it is with those who meaninglessly move the pieces around, OR WORSE STEAL.
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Re: Money is stupid, illogical; Alien races would laugh at us for mindlessly playing with our lives with such a concept as money and hierchal systems
the universe itself is a hierarchal system

it's your liberal brain washing that has caused you to think this is unnatural
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The universe is not hierarchical; its fractal. There's a big difference.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19091052


The Universe is in fact hierarchical.
 Quoting: 0verlord


Because you say, eh mate?blwkss
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everyone should just work together and have it not possible for some one to be higher up then some one else
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39319230

Like that would work, it is called communism, and has been a dismal failure everywhere it was tried.
All it begets is a society of poverty, lack and need.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39243704


Yes, everyone should work together. There should also be world peace, and I should be able to eat Ben & Jerry's and not see it eternally after on my hips.

Human nature is such that the majority of people will work harder if they see the direct fruits of their labour. Its also true that people will use less electricity in a co-op apartment building if each apartment is metered (ie you pay for what YOU use) than in those where each apartment "pays their share": human nature.

So. Capitalism, as ugly as it is on its face produces the biggest pie WHILE using the least energy (and thus saving the environment). The win-win-win.

How does one account for the production? Money. When that money results from those who are growing the pie (in an energy-efficient manner, of course), and not those who are moving pieces around the pan, or worse, shaving pieces off of it like the ancient Romans with their denarii, we all benefit.

The problem is not with those that produce the pie, it is with those who meaninglessly move the pieces around, OR WORSE STEAL.
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You are comming from a thinking place that energy is limited.

It is not.

Your argument becomes infantile/amateurish OR manipulative.
 Quoting: TruthMinion


Indeed. Energy is unlimited, and should be free for all. There is no need to use oil.
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Yes, everyone should work together. There should also be world peace, and I should be able to eat Ben & Jerry's and not see it eternally after on my hips.

Human nature is such that the majority of people will work harder if they see the direct fruits of their labour. Its also true that people will use less electricity in a co-op apartment building if each apartment is metered (ie you pay for what YOU use) than in those where each apartment "pays their share": human nature.

So. Capitalism, as ugly as it is on its face produces the biggest pie WHILE using the least energy (and thus saving the environment). The win-win-win.

How does one account for the production? Money. When that money results from those who are growing the pie (in an energy-efficient manner, of course), and not those who are moving pieces around the pan, or worse, shaving pieces off of it like the ancient Romans with their denarii, we all benefit.

The problem is not with those that produce the pie, it is with those who meaninglessly move the pieces around, OR WORSE STEAL.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19091052


You are comming from a thinking place that energy is limited.

It is not.

Your argument becomes infantile/amateurish OR manipulative.
 Quoting: TruthMinion


Indeed. Energy is unlimited, and should be free for all. There is no need to use oil.
 Quoting: Lawlis


And money does not account for anything. It is labor.

Money is the only method that people use to get others to perform the LABOR.

It could be volunteer.

But that requires a different motivation in people.

But the money itself does not create anything.

Nothing. Zip. Nada!
 Quoting: TruthMinion



Well, you got that right. So the point is, as not all labor is equally pleasurable ,nor everyone is equally apt to perform every kind of labor, then were labor to be voluntary, who would volunteer to do the most unwanted labor? How would you distribute labor in a moneyless system? Find that answer and I will listen, but doubt you will, because there's none and that's why we're stuck where we are-
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You are comming from a thinking place that energy is limited.

It is not.

Your argument becomes infantile/amateurish OR manipulative.
 Quoting: TruthMinion


Indeed. Energy is unlimited, and should be free for all. There is no need to use oil.
 Quoting: Lawlis


And money does not account for anything. It is labor.

Money is the only method that people use to get others to perform the LABOR.

It could be volunteer.

But that requires a different motivation in people.

But the money itself does not create anything.

Nothing. Zip. Nada!
 Quoting: TruthMinion



Well, you got that right. So the point is, as not all labor is equally pleasurable ,nor everyone is equally apt to perform every kind of labor, then were labor to be voluntary, who would volunteer to do the most unwanted labor? How would you EQUALLY distribute labor in a moneyless system? Find that answer and I will listen, but doubt you will, because there's none and that's why we're stuck where we are-
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Sorry fixed.
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the universe itself is a hierarchal system

it's your liberal brain washing that has caused you to think this is unnatural
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Yes and on the hierarchy humans are low indeed. KD
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Re: Money is stupid, illogical; Alien races would laugh at us for mindlessly playing with our lives with such a concept as money and hierchal systems
When settlers first came to this country, mult
iple groups tried the moneyless society idea where people worked for the common good. EVERYONE STARVED TO DEATH!!!!


Money is not good or evil, it just is. If I got the same amount of goods and services no matter how hard I worked, I would stay home all day and enjoy life. Instead of putting in those long hour on the farm.

I just finished work for the day at 8:30 at night, because it takes a lot of work, especially in the spring, to get my crops to grow. Then I read the B.S. on this site about no money. You lazy SOB's just want to live a comfortable life without work. GROW UP!!!!

No-one owes you food, clothing, a house, or any of your electronic toys. It is your responsibility as a human being to provide those things for yourself with your labor. The government and the corporations did not invent work, God invented work. Now get off your butt and go find a job, start a business, or at least try to grow some food to eat.
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Well, you got that right. So the point is, as not all labor is equally pleasurable ,nor everyone is equally apt to perform every kind of labor, then were labor to be voluntary, who would volunteer to do the most unwanted labor? How would you distribute labor in a moneyless system? Find that answer and I will listen, but doubt you will, because there's none and that's why we're stuck where we are-
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The world is composed of various levels of souls development:

infant - baby - young - mature and old souls


You can get infant and baby souls to do the "dirty" work, and they will do gladly since their CONSCIOUSNESS does not give value to anything very complex.

They LIKE being "dumb". Manual laborers.

But nothing stops you from doing volunteer work in those kinds of jobs, for a three month period for your soul's growth and understanding.

That is the money-less way.

Pratical, doable and farier.
 Quoting: TruthMinion


Yeah put all those low soul peasants to pick up the crops under the scorching sun and clean the shit filled sewers while my englightened self samples wine all day.

Of course that all depends on who decides who is "enlightened" and who isn't wink
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Our gov and the rest know that as well, they probably do not laugh at us, but vist only to be appalled by what we have done to our planet and pity us because we never except the wisdom within their knowledge. They may intervene , but have probably tried over thousands of years and would not want to waste anymore of their time.
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Well, you got that right. So the point is, as not all labor is equally pleasurable ,nor everyone is equally apt to perform every kind of labor, then were labor to be voluntary, who would volunteer to do the most unwanted labor? How would you distribute labor in a moneyless system? Find that answer and I will listen, but doubt you will, because there's none and that's why we're stuck where we are-
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The world is composed of various levels of souls development:

infant - baby - young - mature and old souls


You can get infant and baby souls to do the "dirty" work, and they will do gladly since their CONSCIOUSNESS does not give value to anything very complex.

They LIKE being "dumb". Manual laborers.

But nothing stops you from doing volunteer work in those kinds of jobs, for a three month period for your soul's growth and understanding.

That is the money-less way.

Pratical, doable and farier.
 Quoting: TruthMinion


Yeah put all those low soul peasants to pick up the crops under the scorching sun and clean the shit filled sewers while my englightened self samples wine all day.

Of course that all depends on who decides who is "enlightened" and who isn't wink
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Oh, I thought that is what we have now...
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Yes, everyone should work together. There should also be world peace, and I should be able to eat Ben & Jerry's and not see it eternally after on my hips.

Human nature is such that the majority of people will work harder if they see the direct fruits of their labour. Its also true that people will use less electricity in a co-op apartment building if each apartment is metered (ie you pay for what YOU use) than in those where each apartment "pays their share": human nature.

So. Capitalism, as ugly as it is on its face produces the biggest pie WHILE using the least energy (and thus saving the environment). The win-win-win.

How does one account for the production? Money. When that money results from those who are growing the pie (in an energy-efficient manner, of course), and not those who are moving pieces around the pan, or worse, shaving pieces off of it like the ancient Romans with their denarii, we all benefit.

The problem is not with those that produce the pie, it is with those who meaninglessly move the pieces around, OR WORSE STEAL.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19091052


You are comming from a thinking place that energy is limited.

It is not.

Your argument becomes infantile/amateurish OR manipulative.
 Quoting: TruthMinion


Indeed. Energy is unlimited, and should be free for all. There is no need to use oil.
 Quoting: Lawlis


And money does not account for anything. It is labor.

Money is the only method that people use to get others to perform the LABOR.

It could be volunteer.

But that requires a different motivation in people.

But the money itself does not create anything.

Nothing. Zip. Nada!
 Quoting: TruthMinion


Hey, no need to berate my thoughts - I find much in Seth that resonates. We would all still be in caves if there was no co-operation, indeed successful capitalism is easily as dependent (if not more so) on co-operation as it is on competition.

I dont think you really read my post. Please go back and read it again with an open mind and heart.

Money is the method to account for labor. My labor is deemed very valuable to our society. Im happy to say I grow the pie. The universe IS abundent and I am fortunate, to tap into that to all our benefit. If you are contributing to society, we benefit from your labor too. Should garbage men, or cleaning ladies, or teachers! be paid more? Perhaps. Should those who steal from the pie be compensated at all? NO! We currently live in a kleptocracy (a society built on theft). Lets fix that and have income going to those who contribute and lets see how far that goes.

My cleaning lady is not going to volunteer to clean my house. Again, this is human nature. I don't manipulate my cleaning lady. She works very hard and takes pride in her work. I pay her a more than fair wage and treat her with great respect. If I was to clean my house rather than spend time in my business growing the pie, there would be less manifested abundence. I certainly am thankful to Nikola Tesla's cleaning lady. She is valuable to me. As was pointed out above, in several hundred years after several more Teslas(or after the aliens come down and give us all the Star Trek technology), as abundence has been made manifest, perhaps there wont be a need for cleaning ladies and garbage men. Until then, you have not suggested a workable solution.
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Well, you got that right. So the point is, as not all labor is equally pleasurable ,nor everyone is equally apt to perform every kind of labor, then were labor to be voluntary, who would volunteer to do the most unwanted labor? How would you distribute labor in a moneyless system? Find that answer and I will listen, but doubt you will, because there's none and that's why we're stuck where we are-
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The world is composed of various levels of souls development:

infant - baby - young - mature and old souls


You can get infant and baby souls to do the "dirty" work, and they will do gladly since their CONSCIOUSNESS does not give value to anything very complex.

They LIKE being "dumb". Manual laborers.

But nothing stops you from doing volunteer work in those kinds of jobs, for a three month period for your soul's growth and understanding.

That is the money-less way.

Pratical, doable and farier.
 Quoting: TruthMinion


Yeah put all those low soul peasants to pick up the crops under the scorching sun and clean the shit filled sewers while my englightened self samples wine all day.

Of course that all depends on who decides who is "enlightened" and who isn't wink
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Oh, I thought that is what we have now...
 Quoting: Montblanc


Well even in the shitty, corrupt situation we're in now, I can work my ass off to provide an education to my children and teach them to work hard as well and maybe in a couple generations my family could be much better off than myself.
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You are comming from a thinking place that energy is limited.

It is not.

Your argument becomes infantile/amateurish OR manipulative.
 Quoting: TruthMinion


Indeed. Energy is unlimited, and should be free for all. There is no need to use oil.
 Quoting: Lawlis


And money does not account for anything. It is labor.

Money is the only method that people use to get others to perform the LABOR.

It could be volunteer.

But that requires a different motivation in people.

But the money itself does not create anything.

Nothing. Zip. Nada!
 Quoting: TruthMinion


Hey, no need to berate my thoughts - I find much in Seth that resonates. We would all still be in caves if there was no co-operation, indeed successful capitalism is easily as dependent (if not more so) on co-operation as it is on competition.

I dont think you really read my post. Please go back and read it again with an open mind and heart.

Money is the method to account for labor. My labor is deemed very valuable to our society. Im happy to say I grow the pie. The universe IS abundent and I am fortunate, to tap into that to all our benefit. If you are contributing to society, we benefit from your labor too. Should garbage men, or cleaning ladies, or teachers! be paid more? Perhaps. Should those who steal from the pie be compensated at all? NO! We currently live in a kleptocracy (a society built on theft). Lets fix that and have income going to those who contribute and lets see how far that goes.

My cleaning lady is not going to volunteer to clean my house. Again, this is human nature. I don't manipulate my cleaning lady. She works very hard and takes pride in her work. I pay her a more than fair wage and treat her with great respect. If I was to clean my house rather than spend time in my business growing the pie, there would be less manifested abundence. I certainly am thankful to Nikola Tesla's cleaning lady. She is valuable to me. As was pointed out above, in several hundred years after several more Teslas(or after the aliens come down and give us all the Star Trek technology), as abundence has been made manifest, perhaps there wont be a need for cleaning ladies and garbage men. Until then, you have not suggested a workable solution.
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THIS.
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Always remember folks, the bad traits of people don't come from money, they come from people themselves. Were money to disappear those bad traits would manifest in a different manner nonetheless.
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Re: Money is stupid, illogical; Alien races would laugh at us for mindlessly playing with our lives with such a concept as money and hierchal systems
Hey, no need to berate my thoughts - I find much in Seth that resonates. We would all still be in caves if there was no co-operation, indeed successful capitalism is easily as dependent (if not more so) on co-operation as it is on competition.

I dont think you really read my post. Please go back and read it again with an open mind and heart.

Money is the method to account for labor. My labor is deemed very valuable to our society. Im happy to say I grow the pie. The universe IS abundent and I am fortunate, to tap into that to all our benefit. If you are contributing to society, we benefit from your labor too. Should garbage men, or cleaning ladies, or teachers! be paid more? Perhaps. Should those who steal from the pie be compensated at all? NO! We currently live in a kleptocracy (a society built on theft). Lets fix that and have income going to those who contribute and lets see how far that goes.

My cleaning lady is not going to volunteer to clean my house. Again, this is human nature. I don't manipulate my cleaning lady. She works very hard and takes pride in her work. I pay her a more than fair wage and treat her with great respect. If I was to clean my house rather than spend time in my business growing the pie, there would be less manifested abundence. I certainly am thankful to Nikola Tesla's cleaning lady. She is valuable to me. As was pointed out above, in several hundred years after several more Teslas(or after the aliens come down and give us all the Star Trek technology), as abundence has been made manifest, perhaps there wont be a need for cleaning ladies and garbage men. Until then, you have not suggested a workable solution.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19091052



That is why no one wants to have a money-free society.

They will have to clean their own houses!!!

And the other reason is: they wont be able to buy a prostitute to keep her silence about what perverts like to do with them in bed.

Lets create machines that clean (because it IS a sucky job).

And lets be less conservatives and accept "sexual-healers" who do sexual work as volunteers to help humanity fix up their erroneous views about sex, thanks to all the stupid manipulative religions of the world.
 Quoting: TruthMinion


Yeah that's the kind of system you'd like, one that assures you all basic needs in exchange for you to be fucking around cruise

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