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Why is heaven only a place you can get to when you're dead?

 
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Why does life exist at all if there's heaven? Is god just that much of an asshole? What makes heaven so great exactly? Does an eternity ANYWHERE actually sound good? How can people describe heaven when no one has ever died and lived to tell the tale?wtflalalmao1dunno1bonghitflipiamwithranttomato
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Why does life exist at all if there's heaven? Is god just that much of an asshole? What makes heaven so great exactly? Does an eternity ANYWHERE actually sound good? How can people describe heaven when no one has ever died and lived to tell the tale?wtflalalmao1dunno1bonghitflipiamwithranttomato
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mate where did you read about haven ?

Think about this.
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Re: Why is heaven only a place you can get to when you're dead?
Let's start simply...

First, heaven is not a "place" like New York is a place...
We become like that to which we are devoted. Choose wisely.
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Oh baby do you know what that's worth?
Oh Heaven is a place on Earth.

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Re: Why is heaven only a place you can get to when you're dead?
Heaven is not a destination it is a state of being.
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I'm talking about mainstream christian heaven/islamic/muslim heaven.
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Why does life exist at all if there's heaven? Is god just that much of an asshole? What makes heaven so great exactly? Does an eternity ANYWHERE actually sound good? How can people describe heaven when no one has ever died and lived to tell the tale?wtflalalmao1dunno1bonghitflipiamwithranttomato
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Who told you that Heaven was the only other place you can go after death? There are other places, each more disgusting then the previous, none of which I care to tread.
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Isn't it obvious? It's so that people will be calm, non-revolting workers who wait until they are dead to be paid.

It's a control thing.

"Don't be jealous of my wealth! Be meek, for the bible says so! Be God-fearing and quiet! Oh, and the reward comes when you're dead."
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Why is it any one feels as if they know what happens after you die?
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I'm talking about mainstream christian heaven/islamic/muslim heaven.
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As was I... at least as far as Christian belief goes.
We become like that to which we are devoted. Choose wisely.
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Isn't it obvious? It's so that people will be calm, non-revolting workers who wait until they are dead to be paid.

It's a control thing.

"Don't be jealous of my wealth! Be meek, for the bible says so! Be God-fearing and quiet! Oh, and the reward comes when you're dead."
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I never understood retirement. What are you retiring from? Living? It's the growing up (and the junk food, inactivity, stress, pullution, etc.) that kiss you.
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Retirement has to do with our grandparents marching in the streets demanding economic safety after many years of working.

It has nothing to do with heaven and I'm not sure why you brought it up tbh...
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"Heaven" comes when a spirit is ready, for most this is death as they do not wish it sooner...
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Heaven is not a place but rather a state of being! hf
That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon.
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cause it's so nice, so beautiful, the best; people wouldn't

want to leave it and come back to earth. so you can't see

it unless you is DAID!
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Why does life exist at all if there's heaven? Is god just that much of an asshole? What makes heaven so great exactly? Does an eternity ANYWHERE actually sound good? How can people describe heaven when no one has ever died and lived to tell the tale?wtflalalmao1dunno1bonghitflipiamwithranttomato
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Friend, you have been brainwashed. Heaven does not exist! It never did. It's a story. That is all. Religion is a story to keep you in state of mind- control.

Don't ask stupid questions without first going and researching and reading actual religious texts, and putting the pieces together. It's all a lie. All of it.

Think about it. If you could go to heaven and NOT be dead, then everyone would know it was a lie! that's why you are told that you can only get there if you are good, if you pay the big man in the sky his money (tithing to the church) and are a good boy. Be an obedient citizen and stop asking questions.
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heaven is here. you must be REBORN spiritually or you will never see it

also, look up NDEs. people have seen it and talk about it. just do a simple youtube search.

hf
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heaven is here. you must be REBORN spiritually or you will never see it

also, look up NDEs. people have seen it and talk about it. just do a simple youtube search.

hf
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That's the kind of REBORN crap that makes people dislike religion and religious types.

....you try to scare people into religion.

stfupl
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I have a suggestion,go to barnes and noble and buy yourself the expanded bible go straight to acts 2:38 and implement it to yourself after you have done that you will have received the holy ghost.Then take your new bible and start reading it at the beginning(but pray first for spiritual guidance)to end about 4 or 5 times in a row and you will have found the answer to your question.Find yourself a united pentecostal church and they will tell you how to implement acts 2:38.By the way acts is the fifth cannon in the new testament.Straight and narrow is the way to life everlasting and few there be that find it.
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I have a suggestion,go to barnes and noble and buy yourself the expanded bible go straight to acts 2:38 and implement it to yourself after you have done that you will have received the holy ghost.Then take your new bible and start reading it at the beginning(but pray first for spiritual guidance)to end about 4 or 5 times in a row and you will have found the answer to your question.Find yourself a united pentecostal church and they will tell you how to implement acts 2:38.By the way acts is the fifth cannon in the new testament.Straight and narrow is the way to life everlasting and few there be that find it.
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....another "repent or suffer the consequences" religitard.

Your way or the highway huh?

putin
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First samuel 15:22 obedience is better than sacrifice.Disobedience is the sin of witchcraft.
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There's slices of heaven right here on earth,
wrapped in a lover's arms,
alone in a virgin forest,
floating in an ocean,
the love alchemy of self-less acts,
but
they are only a tiny
so tiny
foretaste
of the heaven that is a place
in another realm
but as real as the earth.
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Why does life exist at all if there's heaven? Is god just that much of an asshole? What makes heaven so great exactly? Does an eternity ANYWHERE actually sound good? How can people describe heaven when no one has ever died and lived to tell the tale?wtflalalmao1dunno1bonghitflipiamwithranttomato
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Matthew 18 [2] And Jesus calling unto him a little child, set him in the midst of them, [3] And said: Amen I say to you, unless you be converted, and become as little children, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.


John 14 [1] Let not your heart be troubled. You believe in God, believe also in me. [2] In my Father' s house there are many mansions. If not, I would have told you: because I go to prepare a place for you. [3] And if I shall go, and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and will take you to myself; that where I am, you also may be. [4] And whither I go you know, and the way you know. [5] Thomas saith to him: Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?

[6] Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me.


Mark 7: [32] And they bring to him one deaf and dumb; and they besought him that he would lay his hand upon him. [33] And taking him from the multitude apart, he put his fingers into his ears, and spitting, he touched his tongue:

[34] And looking up to heaven, he groaned, and said to him: Ephpheta, which is, Be thou opened.

[35] And immediately his ears were opened, and the string of his tongue was loosed, and he spoke right.

[36] And he charged them that they should tell no man. But the more he charged them, so much the more a great deal did they publish it. [37] And so much the more did they wonder, saying: He hath done all things well; he hath made both the deaf to hear, and the dumb to speak.

Job 35 [5] Look up to heaven and see, and behold the sky, that it is higher than thee.



John 14:15
If you love me, keep my commandments.


Deuteronomy 30 [10] Yet so if thou hear the voice of the Lord thy God, and keep his precepts and ceremonies, which are written in this law: and return to the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul.

[11] This commandment, that I command thee this day is not above thee, nor far off from thee:

[12] Nor is it in heaven, that thou shouldst say: Which of us can go up to heaven to bring it unto us, and we may hear and fulfill it in work?

[13] Nor is it beyond the sea: that thou mayst excuse thyself, and say: Which of us can cross the sea, and bring it unto us: that we may hear, and do that which is commanded? [14] But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth and in thy heart, that thou mayst do it. [15] Consider that I have set before thee this day life and good, and on the other hand death and evil:


African Gospel Reggae - Heavenly Home

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Matthew 13 [40] Even as cockle therefore is gathered up, and burnt with fire: so shall it be at the end of the world.

[41] The Son of man shall send his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all scandals, and them that work iniquity. [42] And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. [43] Then shall the just shine as the sun, in the kingdom of their Father. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. [44] The kingdom of heaven is like unto a treasure hidden in a field. Which a man having found, hid it, and for joy thereof goeth, and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field. [45] Again the kingdom of heaven is like to a merchant seeking good pearls.

[46] Who when he had found one pearl of great price, went his way, and sold all that he had, and bought it. [47] Again the kingdom of heaven is like to a net cast into the sea, and gathering together of all kind of fishes. [48] Which, when it was filled, they drew out, and sitting by the shore, they chose out the good into vessels, but the bad they cast forth. [49] So shall it be at the end of the world. The angels shall go out, and shall separate the wicked from among the just. [50] And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.



Ezechiel (Ezeckiel) 25:17
And I will execute great vengeance upon them, rebuking them in fury: and they shall know that I am the Lord, when I shall lay my vengeance upon them.


Ezechiel (Ezeckiel) 11:12
And you shall know that I am the Lord: because you have not walked in my commandments, and have not done my judgments, but you have done according to the judgments of the nations that; are round about you.


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1 Chronicles 16:22 Touch not my anointed: and do no evil to my prophets.
Colossians 2:[21] Touch not, taste not, handle not:

Thread: Thus saith the LORD: Behold I set before you the way of life, and the way of death.

Thread: Jesus began to preach, and to say: Do penance, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.


Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus

Thread: Hell is real and most people are just a breath away from it. Ignorance is no excuse.

3 Kings (1 Kings) 18: [15] And Elias said: As the Lord of hosts liveth, before whose face I stand, this day.

Amos 3:7 For the Lord God doth nothing without revealing his secret to his servants the prophets.

BEHOLD! THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND!

Matthew 10: [34] Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword.


Jeremias (Jeremiah) 25: [27] And thou shalt say to them: Thus saith the Lord of hosts the God of Israel: Drink ye, and be drunken, and vomit: and fall, and rise no more, because of the sword, which I shall send among you.
[28] And if they refuse to take the cup at thy hand to drink, thou shalt say to them: Thus saith the Lord of hosts: Drinking you shall drink:

Jeremias (Jeremiah) 22:[29] O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the Lord.

Ezechiel (Ezeckiel) 39: [8] Behold it cometh, and it is done, saith the Lord God: this is the day whereof I have spoken.

2 Corinthians 11:31
The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who is blessed for ever, knoweth that I lie not.

Matthew 26:[46] Rise, let us go: behold he is at hand that will betray me.[47] As he yet spoke, behold Judas, one of
the twelve, came.

Aggeus (Haggai) 2: [7] For thus saith the Lord of hosts: Yet one little while, and I will move the heaven and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land.

(Isaiah) 24:[3] With desolation shall the earth be laid waste, and it shall be utterly spoiled: for the Lord hath spoken this word.

Zacharias (Zachariah) 13:7
Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that cleaveth to me, saith the Lord of hosts: strike the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered:

Ezechiel (Ezeckiel) 18:32
For I desire not the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord God, return ye and live.
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Re: Why is heaven only a place you can get to when you're dead?
well you forgot that there's hell too

it all depends on the state of your soul when you are dead, the more pure it is, the better and you'll experience that heavenly realm and vice versa if your soul is impure
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Ya'll have been helpful


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heaven is here. you must be REBORN spiritually or you will never see it

also, look up NDEs. people have seen it and talk about it. just do a simple youtube search.

hf
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That's the kind of REBORN crap that makes people dislike religion and religious types.

....you try to scare people into religion.

:stfupl:
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i actually had that happen to me, a long tunnel leading to this ethereal realm that is hard to explain in words, i wasn't ready to go yet and was pushed back, we are spiritual beings having a human experience

religion helps us believe and understand the power and importance of spirituality in our daily lives
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Why is heaven only a place you can get to when you're dead?




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Matthew 24 [34] Amen I say to you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. [35] Heaven and earth shall pass, but my words shall not pass.


[36] But of that day and hour no one knoweth, not the angels of heaven, but the Father alone. [37] And as in the days of Noe, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. [38] For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, even till that day in which Noe entered into the ark, [39] And they knew not till the flood came, and took them all away; so also shall the coming of the Son of man be.

[40] Then two shall be in the field: one shall be taken, and one shall be left.

[41] Two women shall be grinding at the mill: one shall be taken, and one shall be left.

[42] Watch ye therefore, because ye know not what hour your Lord will come. [43] But know this ye, that if the goodman of the house knew at what hour the thief would come, he would certainly watch, and would not suffer his house to be broken open. [44] Wherefore be you also ready, because at what hour you know not the Son of man will come.


Fourth Book Of Kings (2 Kings) 2 [11] And as they went on, walking and talking together, behold a fiery chariot, and fiery horses parted them both asunder: and Elias went up by a whirlwind into heaven. [12] And Eliseus saw him, and cried: My father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the driver thereof. And he saw him no more: and he took hold of his own garments, and rent them in two pieces.

[13] And he took up the mantle of Elias, that fell from him: and going back, he stood upon the bank of the Jordan, [14] And he struck the waters with the mantle of Elias, that had fallen from him, and they were not divided. And he said: Where is now the God of Elias? And he struck the waters, and they were divided, hither and thither, and Eliseus passed over. [15] And the sons of the prophets at Jericho, who were over against him, seeing it said: The spirit of Elias hath rested upon Eliseus. And coming to meet him, they worshipped him, falling to the ground,


[16] And they said to him: Behold, there are with thy servants fifty strong men, that can go, and seek thy master, lest perhaps the spirit of the Lord hath taken him up and cast him upon some mountain or into some valley. And he said: Do not send.

[17] But they pressed him, till he consented, and said: Send. And they sent fifty men: and they sought three days but found him not.

[18] And they came back to him: for he abode at Jericho, and he said to them: Did I not say to you: Do not send?


Genesis 5 [22] And Henoch walked with God: and lived after he begot Mathusala, three hundred years, and begot sons and daughters. [23] And all the days of Henoch were three hundred and sixty-five years.

[24] And he walked with God, and was seen no more: because God took him.



Jeremias (Jeremiah) 2:35
And thou hast said: I am without sin and am innocent: and therefore let thy anger be turned away from me. Behold, I will contend with thee in judgement, because thou hast said: I have not sinned.





popepopepope
1 Chronicles 16:22 Touch not my anointed: and do no evil to my prophets.
Colossians 2:[21] Touch not, taste not, handle not:

Thread: Thus saith the LORD: Behold I set before you the way of life, and the way of death.

Thread: Jesus began to preach, and to say: Do penance, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.


Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus

Thread: Hell is real and most people are just a breath away from it. Ignorance is no excuse.

3 Kings (1 Kings) 18: [15] And Elias said: As the Lord of hosts liveth, before whose face I stand, this day.

Amos 3:7 For the Lord God doth nothing without revealing his secret to his servants the prophets.

BEHOLD! THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND!

Matthew 10: [34] Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword.


Jeremias (Jeremiah) 25: [27] And thou shalt say to them: Thus saith the Lord of hosts the God of Israel: Drink ye, and be drunken, and vomit: and fall, and rise no more, because of the sword, which I shall send among you.
[28] And if they refuse to take the cup at thy hand to drink, thou shalt say to them: Thus saith the Lord of hosts: Drinking you shall drink:

Jeremias (Jeremiah) 22:[29] O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the Lord.

Ezechiel (Ezeckiel) 39: [8] Behold it cometh, and it is done, saith the Lord God: this is the day whereof I have spoken.

2 Corinthians 11:31
The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who is blessed for ever, knoweth that I lie not.

Matthew 26:[46] Rise, let us go: behold he is at hand that will betray me.[47] As he yet spoke, behold Judas, one of
the twelve, came.

Aggeus (Haggai) 2: [7] For thus saith the Lord of hosts: Yet one little while, and I will move the heaven and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land.

(Isaiah) 24:[3] With desolation shall the earth be laid waste, and it shall be utterly spoiled: for the Lord hath spoken this word.

Zacharias (Zachariah) 13:7
Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that cleaveth to me, saith the Lord of hosts: strike the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered:

Ezechiel (Ezeckiel) 18:32
For I desire not the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord God, return ye and live.
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Why is heaven only a place you can get to when you're dead?
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Clearly it is not when you consider all the ghosts, spirits and lost souls floating around.
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^ If you were a killer, you'd be proud by now. ^

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