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Immunity/Resistance to Neurolinguistic-programming

 
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A simple familiarity with the techniques of Neurolinguistic-programming seems to bring resistance to it's intended effects. Learning as many techniques as you can might better the chance of not being manipulated.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

For those who are familiar: Isn't it sometimes cute when people try to wield it on you? How do you react? Do you tell them, or do you play along? I do the latter, unless it's a salesperson or a cult leader.

Here's a couple examples of what I colloquially call the 'word association by touch' technique. A bank-teller who tried to make me think she was 'wonderful': "Have a WONDERFUL (stressing the word while placing her hand on her chest above her breasts) day!" Also, a very intelligent, sexy lady attempted to make me feel that I 'need' her. (Placed her hand on my shoulder during a conversation, then immediately grabbed her arm while stressing the word "NEED").

Does anyone know of techniques they'd like to share?

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I have a friend who is practiced in NLP. I have read a good book on it so I know some techniques for self change. I think it is a very useful art in that regard but as far as trying to use it other people for personal gain I liken it to the dark side of the force. I have seen my friend try to use it in his relationships and it has always backfired on him.

It is interesting though. Most public faces are studied in NLP. It is usefully. For personal development and communication. But being manipulative with it is the dark side.
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I have a friend who is practiced in NLP. I have read a good book on it so I know some techniques for self change. I think it is a very useful art in that regard but as far as trying to use it other people for personal gain I liken it to the dark side of the force. I have seen my friend try to use it in his relationships and it has always backfired on him.

It is interesting though. Most public faces are studied in NLP. It is usefully. For personal development and communication. But being manipulative with it is the dark side.
 Quoting: Undestroyer


We're essentially in agreement there. Using it to manipulate others falls into what I consider 'sorcery'...
[link to etymonline.com]
or 'making oneself the source of another's fate/fortune/destiny'.

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OP any specific tips or suggestions on NLP aside from the wiki?

is most of this stuff common sense? or do you really need to study into it to get what the signs are and why people do them?
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OP any specific tips or suggestions on NLP aside from the wiki?

is most of this stuff common sense? or do you really need to study into it to get what the signs are and why people do them?
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While I don't consider myself an 'expert' on the topic, (which is one of the reasons I posted this thread), I do know they seem like common sense once you know them. However, the reality is without becoming familiar with manipulative NLP techniques, they can be used on you.

There are plenty of books on the subject. Information on specific techniques online are somewhat scant.

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OP any specific tips or suggestions on NLP aside from the wiki?

is most of this stuff common sense? or do you really need to study into it to get what the signs are and why people do them?
 Quoting: SteamrolledGobias


While I don't consider myself an 'expert' on the topic, (which is one of the reasons I posted this thread), I do know they seem like common sense once you know them. However, the reality is without becoming familiar with manipulative NLP techniques, they can be used on you.

There are plenty of books on the subject. Information on specific techniques online are somewhat scant.
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Info is scant and books are hard to find and can be costly. My friend I mentioned above paid thousands of dollars to take practitioner classes. This is actually a topic of special interest to me because I used some basic techniquez to help me quit smoking before I even knew what nlp was as it does have some common sense to it. Basically our minds have the ability to change and grow but it takes work and effort through the use of words and images. And there are techniques that have been tried and used but it basically comes down to what works for you.

I plan to write a book on it someday.
You cannot destroy my vision when you see my vision undestroyed because I am just an undestroyer.

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"I am a hunter of peace, one who chases the elusive mayfly of love... errr something like that." -Vash the Stampede
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You cannot destroy my vision when you see my vision undestroyed because I am just an undestroyer.

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Truth is a lot like unfiltered light. It exists and expounds in every spectrum, including spectrums that humans are unable to see with our eyes. ;) ☼

"I am a hunter of peace, one who chases the elusive mayfly of love... errr something like that." -Vash the Stampede
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Truth is a lot like unfiltered light. It exists and expounds in every spectrum, including spectrums that humans are unable to see with our eyes. ;) ☼

"I am a hunter of peace, one who chases the elusive mayfly of love... errr something like that." -Vash the Stampede
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OP any specific tips or suggestions on NLP aside from the wiki?

is most of this stuff common sense? or do you really need to study into it to get what the signs are and why people do them?
 Quoting: SteamrolledGobias


While I don't consider myself an 'expert' on the topic, (which is one of the reasons I posted this thread), I do know they seem like common sense once you know them. However, the reality is without becoming familiar with manipulative NLP techniques, they can be used on you.

There are plenty of books on the subject. Information on specific techniques online are somewhat scant.
 Quoting: MonocyteOne


Info is scant and books are hard to find and can be costly. My friend I mentioned above paid thousands of dollars to take practitioner classes. This is actually a topic of special interest to me because I used some basic techniquez to help me quit smoking before I even knew what nlp was as it does have some common sense to it. Basically our minds have the ability to change and grow but it takes work and effort through the use of words and images. And there are techniques that have been tried and used but it basically comes down to what works for you.

I plan to write a book on it someday.
 Quoting: Undestroyer


you should just write articles and publish online.

then you don't need to find a publisher, and you can earn money via advertising or donations or lots of other methods.

just saying that I personally am more likely to read info online rather than go to a book store or shop online, then wait for it to ship to my house. the Internet allows publishers to get their information out online much quicker and without censorship.

just my 2cents
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The lack of affordable, and online material, certainly seems like an opportunity for someone to make bank.

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Actually, the market is small, because there is a natural resistance for people going down this rabbit hole. One you realize how much programming, how much communication is non-verbal, it throws free will for a loop.

Besides NLP, and the the two books I linked aren't that expensive, I would check out all of Jung's work on alchemy. Have to unravel the internal as well as the external.
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You need melanin to be able to resist. Ha ha ha!

I guess some dark skinned Italians and Romanians can resist.
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Actually, my experience aspies, and extreme introverts, I'm talking about people that represent less than 1% of 1% of the general population, have very high resistance. Probably due to the fact their 'internal wiring and thus language of expression' is so different. Being left handed/right brained gives some the ability to peek behind the curtain as well. Though the best are those who are neither right nor left brained dominant.
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OP any specific tips or suggestions on NLP aside from the wiki?

is most of this stuff common sense? or do you really need to study into it to get what the signs are and why people do them?
 Quoting: SteamrolledGobias


While I don't consider myself an 'expert' on the topic, (which is one of the reasons I posted this thread), I do know they seem like common sense once you know them. However, the reality is without becoming familiar with manipulative NLP techniques, they can be used on you.

There are plenty of books on the subject. Information on specific techniques online are somewhat scant.
 Quoting: MonocyteOne


Info is scant and books are hard to find and can be costly. My friend I mentioned above paid thousands of dollars to take practitioner classes. This is actually a topic of special interest to me because I used some basic techniquez to help me quit smoking before I even knew what nlp was as it does have some common sense to it. Basically our minds have the ability to change and grow but it takes work and effort through the use of words and images. And there are techniques that have been tried and used but it basically comes down to what works for you.

I plan to write a book on it someday.
 Quoting: Undestroyer


you should just write articles and publish online.

then you don't need to find a publisher, and you can earn money via advertising or donations or lots of other methods.

just saying that I personally am more likely to read info online rather than go to a book store or shop online, then wait for it to ship to my house. the Internet allows publishers to get their information out online much quicker and without censorship.

just my 2cents
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Thats a good idea. I probably will do some of that. The reason for the book though is also that I want to include begleria which is a greek toy used to aid quitting smoking as well. I worked on quitting tobacco for about ten years so it was a multipronged effort. Nlp was the final catalyst though.

Basically everytime I took a drag I would tell my self sincerely how bad it was for me and how sick it made me feel while conjuring up images of black lungs and shit. Eventually my brain made a very physical connection between the tobacco and associated chemicals to the very real effects of these things. Now if I even take a drag or get around second hand smoke for too long I will literally get sick to my stomach.

Interestingly I could still smoke weed all day long if only my job would allow it.
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Truth is a lot like unfiltered light. It exists and expounds in every spectrum, including spectrums that humans are unable to see with our eyes. ;) ☼

"I am a hunter of peace, one who chases the elusive mayfly of love... errr something like that." -Vash the Stampede
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A simple familiarity with the techniques of Neurolinguistic-programming seems to bring resistance to it's intended effects. Learning as many techniques as you can might better the chance of not being manipulated.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

For those who are familiar: Isn't it sometimes cute when people try to wield it on you? How do you react? Do you tell them, or do you play along? I do the latter, unless it's a salesperson or a cult leader.

Here's a couple examples of what I colloquially call the 'word association by touch' technique. A bank-teller who tried to make me think she was 'wonderful': "Have a WONDERFUL (stressing the word while placing her hand on her chest above her breasts) day!" Also, a very intelligent, sexy lady attempted to make me feel that I 'need' her. (Placed her hand on my shoulder during a conversation, then immediately grabbed her arm while stressing the word "NEED").

Does anyone know of techniques they'd like to share?
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As far as the manipulatibe tecbniques I know tbat it helps to be able to read people because each individual has a different denominalization. Or way of interpreting verbal nonverbal cues. The sorcerer (I agree that is an apt definition) will use inflection and or vary the pace of speach. Hypnosis is essentilally one tool and also touch at specific moments will be employed.

Its bad to use these tools against people imho. But they are employed ubiquitiously o. Television by public speakers even priests and of course in advertising.

It important to remember that essentially a person has the person power to train the brain however it is most effective and. Prudent for self ...
You cannot destroy my vision when you see my vision undestroyed because I am just an undestroyer.

Thread: *Updated* Tai Chi Treasure trove *Tai Chi is 5 parts personal development and health, 3 parts self defense*

Thread: You can Lead a horse to water *Here's some water*. (suppressed info) Foodie way to boost your immune system

Thread: Institute for Planetary Renewal says We Could All Be Living Debt-Free In an Ecological Paradise Of Our Own Creation

Truth is a lot like unfiltered light. It exists and expounds in every spectrum, including spectrums that humans are unable to see with our eyes. ;) ☼

"I am a hunter of peace, one who chases the elusive mayfly of love... errr something like that." -Vash the Stampede
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The practitioners of NLP know full well what disables their programming.

Daily prayer and scripture reading. Sounds simple because it is.
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You might want to look into
Influence: Science and Practice by Robert B. Cialdini

Every conversation is about influence, asking for a raise, getting your kids to do homework ect. Nothing new here, it can be used for good or evil. The worse kind of influence is that which uses violence.
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The practitioners of NLP know full well what disables their programming.

Daily prayer and scripture reading. Sounds simple because it is.
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I can quite believe that. One kind of programming rendering another ineffective. I don't mean that to be provocative. Just an observation.

As far as techniques go, pattern breaking is a very powerful one. The most common example you might see is when someone goes to shake someone's hand and will then stop for a split second, almost at the point of contact, and give a command before continuing with the handshake. If done correctly this will throw the "programee" into turmoil for that split second because their expectations have been subverted and they truly don't know what to do. The rational mind is confused and no longer in control and any command given in that moment makes it's way into the subconscious with little resistance. I have had salesmen try this on me. The best way I've found of dealing with it is to immediately drop my own hand and turn the tables on them.
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Op don't confuse simple body language with NLP.

Remember, if you think a woman is using NLP on you, she is not. 99.999999999999% of women on earth not only do not have a clue what it is, they are not intelligent or abstract enough to employ it.

Chicks just manipulate with body language. And 9 times out of ten it works against them.
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The practitioners of NLP know full well what disables their programming.

Daily prayer and scripture reading. Sounds simple because it is.
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LOL. Sticking your head in a hole will not save you from anything. If you are that afraid, you should consider moving to the forest.

Experts of NLP, like myself, don't even need to speak. I can glance at someone and change the course of their lives.

Fortunately I use my powers for good. Hidden in the text you just read is a subliminal blessing. Some of you will get laid in the next week.
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The practitioners of NLP know full well what disables their programming.

Daily prayer and scripture reading. Sounds simple because it is.
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LOL. Sticking your head in a hole will not save you from anything. If you are that afraid, you should consider moving to the forest.

Experts of NLP, like myself, don't even need to speak. I can glance at someone and change the course of their lives.

Fortunately I use my powers for good. Hidden in the text you just read is a subliminal blessing. Some of you will get laid in the next week.
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Some of us will get laid this week anyway. Surely all you've done is create an association between getting laid and what you just posted.
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Actually, the market is small, because there is a natural resistance for people going down this rabbit hole.
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Yes I do pay attention to it.

More like be on guard for it.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"Szasz consistently paid attention to the power of language in the establishment and maintenance of the social order, both in small interpersonal as well as wider socio-political spheres"


Pay attention to who any comes from and what their agenda is.
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Nice... Thanks for the resource.

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