What is the mind? Does it exist in another dimension?

In a another dimension? hmmm good question OP

you got me thinking lol

Also, what is the interplay between a person's body, mind and soul????

Last Edited by Still Waters on 05/05/2013 12:07 PM

Me and my friend were discussing this earlier, I texted her saying I wanted to go to the stag and three horseshoes for a meal, and she replied come on then let's go.......which is impossible because she lives 200+ miles away.........I then said to her, I wonder if we could see in that pub now, if there's a you and me in there, because we are thinking about, it is in fact happening?????????

The sense of "I AM" is the root of any mind.

Materialists think that brain states dictate mental states. They think that the electrical activity in physical brains is responsible for mind.
In fact, mind belongs to a frequency domain outside space and time. It communicates with the physical brain via mathematical Fourier transforms – which link the mental frequency and physical spacetime domains. Fourier transforms work by connecting two domains of different dimensionality (dimensionless frequency functions and dimensional spacetime functions).
Scientific materialism has never understood Fourier mathematics because it has never grasped that the frequency domain is ontological (rather than abstract) and quintessentially outside space and time. In scientific materialism, nothing is outside space and time – the thought is unthinkable – so Fourier mathematics, instead of being taken for the straightforward ontological process it is, is converted into some weird and impossible abstraction (which is why quantum mechanics, based on Fourier mathematics, has baffled the entire scientific community for over a century, despite being science’s greatest ever achievement!).
The mind-body relationship can be understood only via Fourier mathematics and the existence of a separate domain of frequencies outside space and time, interacting, via dynamic feedback loops, with spacetime functions inside space and time. Physical events are communicated to the mental domain, and mental events to the physical domain.
There is no mystery at all about mind and matter once the ontological Fourier transform is comprehensively grasped.



What is mind? It’s energy. What is energy? It’s eternal information. What is eternal information? It’s eternal sinusoidal waves. Think of how information is constructed. It’s patterned, ordered and organized rather than random and chaotic.

Photons, particles of light, are associated with pure cosine waves. Chronons, particles of time, are associated with pure imaginary sine waves. Thought consists of pure light and pure time, i.e. cosine and imaginary sine functions. Thought is light and time perfectly entwined (and rendered dimensionless rather than dimensional).

What is consciousness? It’s a very special type of unconsciousness. The basic mode of mental activity is unconscious. The unconscious is non-local and is linked to everything.

The human mind began as an ape mind then evolved to a “bicameral” mind, then to a Mythos conscious mind. The highest humans have evolved a Logos conscious mind, and only Angel and Divine minds are higher than that.

Hockney, Mike (2013-03-26). The Omega Point (The God Series) (Kindle Locations 2648-2661). Hyperreality Books. Kindle Edition.

There is no other dimension...only walls with in the one that is.

Yet the walls do not make the house no longer a house.

If you think here you think in all that is.

bring out your mind

"mind" is a concept

Oh, wow, thank you for the 411...Devouring this stuff!!!

I'm very interested in this subject as well Op. From what I've read, the thing that makes the most sense to me, is that the mind is physical, and interprets the info that we see hear, taste, etc. The mind is specifically for this reality.

The soul, on the other hand, is energy. Never ending. Now for some reason, that I'm not sure of, our souls NEED this experience we're having on earth. Maybe to gain more wisdom/information.

Our dreams are a perfect mix of these two realities working at the same time. Dreams can be so amazing, and beautiful, yet objects, people, situations in our every day lives creep into our dreams, and as far as I'm concerned, ruin them. People say our dreams are there to help our brains sort out all of the emotions/stress/etc. that we deal with on a day to day basis, I don't agree. I think our minds need to take a break and while they're doing that our soul starts being experienced by us. One physical clue we have is how sometimes when we're falling asleep, something will make our bodies jerk back into this reality. Your body "jerked", because you were catching yourself from falling. Your soul was freeing itself from your body. Our minds are actually keeping us from seeing what our souls are experiencing. That's why we have a hard time remembering our dreams. The mind shuts them off, sometimes, at the exact moment we're trying to remember them.

There must be a reason for our minds doing that. All I can think of is that maybe, if we saw that we had these souls that had these amazing experiences, we'd realize that we don't really even want to be in these bodies anymore. And we don't want to live in this reality anymore. If you meditate you can see the soul much better. But still, even when you do that, it's hard to accept that it isn't just a product of your imagination. I think my point is, that I feel that these two entities are very VERY different from one another, and constantly at odds with each other. It doesn't really seem like they work together well.

Stears core ions or something...i did not study.

What a freaking genius!!

Are you asking 'What is consciousness?'

You're welcome, I included the source of the book I quoted (Harvard system, I think), if you google the book, author & book series you will find a treasure trove of this kind of information!

You will also get a nice surprise as to the secret society that is responsible for releasing this wisdom!!

Would it be over simple to say the consciousness exists in first four dimensions and the soul exists in all the rest??.....

do you mind if I think about this?

What is consciousness? It’s a very special type of unconsciousness. The basic mode of mental activity is unconscious. The unconscious is non-local and is linked to everything.
Pre-requisites for consciousness are localism, separation, disconnection, individuation. These are necessary but not sufficient to define consciousness. Consciousness is about being separate, and knowing you’re separate, but you only know this by being able to conceptualize that situation. In order to conceptualize you require a language. Given that private languages are impossible, you require a public language. A public language of necessity involves other people. So, to be conscious, you need other people whom you know are like you but different from you, and with whom you can construct a shared conceptual language. Without these elements, you cannot be conscious. It’s impossible for an eternal, conscious God (of the type envisaged by Abrahamists) to exist. Consciousness is an evolution of the unconscious mind.
Consciousness is language-based, conceptual unconsciousness! The unconscious deals in a) the wordless mathematical language and b) in wordless symbols, signs, icons, images and feelings (as in dreams). Words ultimately define consciousness because words, and how they are arranged, allow the construction and linking of concepts in a way that is tied to our emotions, desires and Will.
Words, first and foremost, are not about truth and reality (and nor is consciousness about truth and reality). In fact, words best lend themselves to Mythos, to story-telling. Consciousness is a 24/ 7 story (narrative) with ourselves as the protagonists. Objective mathematics is not a suitable language for general concepts for the simple reason that all of its concepts relate strictly to mathematics itself. Objective mathematics cannot break out of itself. It provides a robotic, algorithmic, computerised, machine mind – a mind with no need of consciousness and free will.

Hockney, Mike (2013-03-26). The Omega Point (The God Series) (Kindle Locations 2648-2661). Hyperreality Books. Kindle Edition.



Animals are not conscious as in not self-aware, humans first began this way & first developed what has been described as a 'bicameral' (two-chambered) mind. Early bicameral mankind had limited consciousness & most of the thoughts were like voices in their head, usually warnings of danger & instructions (run, now, tiger, jump). History's most (in)famous episode of bicameralism was 'God' instructing Abraham to whack his infant son! Bicameralism exists today in the form of schizophrenia.

As more complex languages developed between humans, so did consciousness, to the point that the 'voices of 'God'' slowly abated.

You could describe consciousness a a running dialog in your head of the status & experiences of your life!

"Thus, the highest or fundamental principle, which contains potentially the synthesis of all the others, is the fiery energy of life or spirit, which is spread throughout the entire Cosmos. For its focus it requires the sixth principle, or Buddhi (often called "the spirit soul" as distinct from the human-animal soul). Thus the monad is formed, which is the primary, unconscious, incarnated Ego. Then follows the fifth principle - the Manas, self-consciousness, "the thinker" (higher intelligence). These three principles form the higher triad, or the conscious, immortal Ego. In Devachan, this Ego survives after the dissolution of the other principles which form man's earthly personality, or, as the Easterners would put it, man's lower ego, or self. In the Teaching, this Higher Ego, or the triad, is often treated as the seed of the spirit, which is unable directly or independently to manifest itself on earth. In order to manifest, this triad needs a fourth principle, called Kama, through which desire is expressed in two aspects: Kama-Manas, or the lower intellect (literally, the intellect of desires), and Kama-Rupa, or subjective form (the form of mental and physical desires and thoughts). This is the thinker in action. Kama, in connection with Manas (the higher) and Buddhi, forms the higher Subtle Body (the astral body, in order that it be not confused with its etheric double, is often called "the lower astral") or the spiritual soul of the spiritually developed man. Kama-Manas is a sort of bridge which connects the higher Manas with Kama-Rupa, thus connecting Manas and Form to make the Kama-Manas body, or human soul. When this bridge between Manas and its lower aspect, Kama-Manas, has been established, i.e., when man begins to receive the impressions from the higher Buddhi-Manas, we can say that man is spiritually developed and approaches immortality. Thus, for the achievement of true immortality, in other words, of the maintaining of consciousness on all four planes of existence, and for becoming an Arhat, it is essential to connect, precisely in the physical body, the fourth, fifth, and seventh principles and fuse them in the sixth - Buddhi. All the qualities of the basic energy, being separately transmuted by its fire, must be harmonized and expressed in the highest quality of psychic energy."

"Each planetary cycle, or Round, has its limit for the development of the human organism, and with each new cycle the degree of achievement rises. Thus, Manas, or the highest intelligence on our Earth will receive its full development in the Fifth Round and in its Fifth Race. Meanwhile, we are still in the Fourth Round and in the time of the consummation of its Fifth Race; hence, for our Round, Manas has already reached the apogee of its development. And with the birth of the sixth Race, or rather, with its confirmation, because there are quite a few people who already belong to the sixth Race, we shall enter the epoch of the development of spiritual consciousness, whose foundation lies in the heart"

A lot of this contradicts the information that I have been studying, I'm not saying it's incorrect, but the authors of the wisdom I study might!

For starters: "For its focus it requires the sixth principle, or Buddhi (often called "the spirit soul" as distinct from the human-animal soul)."

From what I understand, there is no real distinction between souls, only the level of consciousness in them, or evolution if you like.

These three principles form the higher triad, or the conscious, immortal Ego. In Devachan, this Ego survives after the dissolution of the other principles which form man's earthly personality, or, as the Easterners would put it, man's lower ego, or self.

These descriptions of ego & self are different to the ones I am familiar with; the authors of the God Series books subscribe to Freud's & Jung's description of ego & self.

What are those descriptions? Read the books.

no problem, dear friend. thx for the reference.
i would gladly entertain with you in such a discussion. playing with abstract concepts is one of my favorite games.

i gave the quotes not as an absolute truth, but as food for thought for the op's question

p.s. although if you look closely to your quote an mine you will see similarities. in both it is said that god/universal vital force is not conscious

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Well thank you very much.
Some people get quite angry when you challenge their beliefs, as if you are insulting them personally.

If you look at that concept unemotionally, we really are only as informed as our sources, and those sources might be misleading, for any number of reasons. Some sources want to keep people ignorant, in an Orwellian type of way; some people like to spin a good yarn, so as to fleece people of their cash.

I trust my sources implicitly, they are a very famous, or more infamous order of Gnostics, they are very honest, & very, very intelligent!

Google the author, you'll fall over backwards when you discover who they are!!

yep. i'll check them and give you my thoughts. till later

The Hologram Construct

There aren't other dimensions.

What is mind? Doesn't matter. What is matter? Never mind.

Not precisely.

Before there can be any verbal construct of "I am", there must be the 'movement' of self-reflection, which is prior to the existence of thought.

Michael

Not really.

The 'mind' is a 3-dimensional 'curved' spatiality of consciousness; my 'mind' being over here and your 'mind' being over there.

The 'movement' of self reflection creates your spatiality of consciousness as being distinct in space from my spatiality of consciousness. This is straightforward.

But there is, in fact, a 2-dimensional 'flat' space consciousness which exists prior to the differentiation into separate "self"s.

This is the dimension of consciousness referred to in the Eastern esoteric traditions as the "observing consciousness" or "objective reality"; or, in the Revelations of the monotheistic religions as the non-dualistic consciousness Created by and in the image of God.

Michael

You are assuming everyone you see has a "mind". Seems to me rather a generous assumption considering..