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Church of Scotland (Pergamum )-'Jews shouldn't take God's promise to Abraham literally'

 
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Church of Scotland (Pergamum )-'Jews shouldn't take God's promise to Abraham literally'
In new report titled "The Inheritance of Abraham? The 'Promised Land,''' the Church of Scotland, once a staunch supporter of the Jews' right to their ancient homeland, says Israel does not belong to the Jewish people.

In a new report titled "The Inheritance of Abraham? A Report on the 'Promised Land,''' the Church of Scotland, once a staunch supporter of the Jews' right to their ancient homeland, casts serious doubt on the biblical Jewish claim to the land.

The report is a culmination of more than a decade of increasingly strident anti-Zionism and pro-Palestinian activism by the church, especially by its local Palestinian Christian chapters.

"Promises about the land of Israel were never intended to be taken literally, or as applying to a defined geographical territory," it concludes. "The 'promised land' in the Bible is not a place, so much as a metaphor of how things ought to be among the people of God. This 'promised land' can be found, or built, anywhere."

Local Jewish leaders fear that if the church adopts the document at its annual general assembly, it may be become official church policy, the London Jewish Chronicle reported. The Church of Scotland's annual general assembly is to vote on the report later this month,

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It's common knowledge now that jews have NO claim to the bloodline of Abraham. That has been well proven as a preposterous hoax.

It is why all countries on earth should aim their missles at Israel.
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It's common knowledge now that jews have NO claim to the bloodline of Abraham. That has been well proven as a preposterous hoax.

It is why all countries on earth should aim their missles at Israel.
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What is the proof???

Care to expand on your claims?

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It's common knowledge now that jews have NO claim to the bloodline of Abraham. That has been well proven as a preposterous hoax.

It is why all countries on earth should aim their missles at Israel.
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What is the proof???

Care to expand on your claims?

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Sure. It has been posted on GLP many many times.

It is the John Hopkins genetic study that shows "modern jews" had no foothold in the Middle East at any time other than just recently. The results were published.

I don't have time to search on GLP's sorry ass search engine but if you're really interested it shouldn't take you long. I've seen at least 6 threads on here regarding this very important topic.
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It's common knowledge now that jews have NO claim to the bloodline of Abraham. That has been well proven as a preposterous hoax.

It is why all countries on earth should aim their missles at Israel.
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What is the proof???

Care to expand on your claims?

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Sure. It has been posted on GLP many many times.

It is the John Hopkins genetic study that shows "modern jews" had no foothold in the Middle East at any time other than just recently. The results were published.

I don't have time to search on GLP's sorry ass search engine but if you're really interested it shouldn't take you long. I've seen at least 6 threads on here regarding this very important topic.
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It is what GOD commands not MAN...

It makes GOD out to be a Liar.... GOD gave the land to the Jewish People, in fact he gave most of the Middle East to the Jews if truth be known...


The DNA Chain of Tradition
The Discovery of the "Cohen Gene"

by Rabbi Yaakov Kleiman

Jewish tradition, based on the Torah, is that all Kohanim are direct descendants of Aharon, the original Kohen. The line of the Kohanim is patrilineal: it has been passed from father to son without interruption from Aharon, for 3,300 years, or more than 100 generations.


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Re: the John Hopkins Khazar project

In other words, Elhaik uses as source material Shlomo Sand and Arthur Koestler, who are more akin to fiction writers than serious researchers!

There is evidence that Elhaik was predisposed to find Khazar connections when evidence does not support it. He started a crowdsourcing project to raise money for his paper, and called it "The Khazar DNA project."

It sounds like he reached his conclusion before he did his research.

But what do experts on European genetics think? The author of the European Genetics and Anthropology Blog is more than a little skeptical of Elhaik's claims:

I think the author fumbled the interpretation of the results.

His mistake was treating the Armenian reference sample as a Caucasus group, and also a proxy for the gene pool of the Khazar Empire. Thus, when the Jewish samples showed strong affinity to the Armenians, the author mistook this as a signal of Khazar ancestry in Jews, because the Khazar Empire included parts of the Caucasus.

[link to elderofziyon.blogspot.co.il]

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That's all lies.

It makes no difference what the bible says. The bible is not god. It is JUST A BOOK.

If god said to worship demons and eat excrement, would you do it? Idiots probably would.

I don't care what god or anyone else says, the creatures occupying Israel are fucking evil and gruesome. If you dissagree it means you are ignorant. So something is wrong. There are lies somewhere because the occupiers of Israel are evil by their works and should be erradicated. Everything else is irrelevant. Your priest is a dumb fuck. Open your eyes cultist.
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That's all lies.

It makes no difference what the bible says. The bible is not god. It is JUST A BOOK.

If god said to worship demons and eat excrement, would you do it? Idiots probably would.

I don't care what god or anyone else says, the creatures occupying Israel are fucking evil and gruesome. If you dissagree it means you are ignorant. So something is wrong. There are lies somewhere because the occupiers of Israel are evil by their works and should be erradicated. Everything else is irrelevant. Your priest is a dumb fuck. Open your eyes cultist.
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and your hatred of the Jews are based on what?

Open your mouth like that in Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Libya

You will find your self in a Cell of torture or your head on the other side of the room from your body!

Wise up!

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God's Word is True!
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When thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.
Isaiah 26:9

"Exposing Those Who Contradict"
[link to bible-truths.com]

"For as in Adam ALL die, so also in the Messiah will ALL be made alive."
[link to www.tentmaker.org]
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AMEN!!

The Deception in the World now is over the top!!
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Re: Church of Scotland (Pergamum )-'Jews shouldn't take God's promise to Abraham literally'
Jews were never a race - anyone from anywhere was welcome to become an Israelite as long as they were willing to observe the laws of Moses and participate in the rituals.
Scripturally speaking, it was a fine line to walk, as there were quite a number of disqualifiers. . .

[link to www.blueletterbible.org]

In the new testament, we're told "He is not a Jew who is one outwardly by circumcision, but only inwardly by the circumcision of the heart". It was always a matter of faith, and never of heritage.

Loyalty to the King of the Jews is what makes one a Jew. As with any status or label, you don't get the privileges unless you meet the proper criteria.
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Jews were never a race - anyone from anywhere was welcome to become an Israelite as long as they were willing to observe the laws of Moses and participate in the rituals.
Scripturally speaking, it was a fine line to walk, as there were quite a number of disqualifiers. . .

[link to www.blueletterbible.org]

In the new testament, we're told "He is not a Jew who is one outwardly by circumcision, but only inwardly by the circumcision of the heart". It was always a matter of faith, and never of heritage.

Loyalty to the King of the Jews is what makes one a Jew. As with any status or label, you don't get the privileges unless you meet the proper criteria.
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Wise post....
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It's common knowledge now that jews have NO claim to the bloodline of Abraham.
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Agreed, 100%
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It is curious, The Church of Scotland draws its authority from the Bible, but then tells us the Bible is not true.

Do you think they might have a credibility problem?
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It's common knowledge now that jews have NO claim to the bloodline of Abraham.
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Agreed, 100%
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You talk as if we Sephardi Jews don't exist.....
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It's common knowledge now that jews have NO claim to the bloodline of Abraham.
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Agreed, 100%
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You talk as if we Sephardi Jews don't exist.....
 Quoting: Taruwah


You guys can call yourselves whatever you like - doesn't make it legitimate. Judaism is essentially stillborn christianity, riding on the coattails of an obsolete covenant. Per Galatians, the Seed of Abraham = Christ Jesus. You're more than welcome to come to repentance in Him and dwell in the new Jerusalem (because the earthly one was condemned a while back).

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I found some pretty conclusive evidence last summer that, unbeknowst to any of our family, my great-grandmother on my mother's mother's side was part Jewish, descended from Sephardim Jews who had been in Iberia for almost two millennia. I haven't done much on it, but I kind of expect that we could trace our bloodline back to Palestine/Israel/Phoenicia/Whatevericia.

My ancestors were kicked out of Spain/Portugal and some went to North Africa, where they then embarked for Portuguese colonial islands. And from there we got here in the 1890s.

So, um, er, do I get a condo in Tel Aviv?

(We're talking bloodline heritage, not a faith heritage; my family has been Catholic since, I reckon, the 1490s, when they were forced to do so by the Portuguese and Spanish. I learned that the Jews who were forcibly converted adopted Portuguese and Spanish names derived from the natural world. My family name for that branch is Silva. According to Ancestry.com, Silva: Silva Name Meaning Portuguese, Galician, and Jewish (Sephardic): habitational name from any of the many places called Silva, or a topographic name from silva ‘thicket’, ‘bramble’.)
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It's common knowledge now that jews have NO claim to the bloodline of Abraham.
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Agreed, 100%
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You talk as if we Sephardi Jews don't exist.....
 Quoting: Taruwah


See my post above. I am Sephardic in bloodline, but not a Jew in observation. That leaves me . . . confused! Only found out last summer that my family has a Sephardic line from Portugal/Spain=>Morocco=>Cape Verde Islands=>Massachusetts.