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Now let me get this straight once and for all. The Crucifixion story.

 
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Now let me get this straight once and for all. The Crucifixion story.
God, seeing how corrupted all his creation had become, decides to go down to earth as HIS SON and sacrifice himself TO HIMSELF in order to redeem the evil humans and cleanse them of their sin?

All this, of course, having been planned by God means that Judas, the Jews and the Romans HAD NO CHOICE in their part of the crucifixion because GOD HAD ALREADY PLANNED THIS IN ADVANCE!

So, once dead, God AS HIS OWN SON, rises up after three days and ascends back to heaven to sit at the right hand of HIMSELF before coming back to earth as the second coming to bring all the humans NOW REDEEMED AND FREE FROM SIN AS A RESULT OF HIS SELF-SACRIFICE.

Have I got that right or did I miss something? Because it doesn't really make much sense to me. Basically God killed himself in order to forgive us for our sins. Good for us, but what's in it for him?
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God, seeing how corrupted all his creation had become, decides to go down to earth as HIS SON and sacrifice himself TO HIMSELF in order to redeem the evil humans and cleanse them of their sin?

All this, of course, having been planned by God means that Judas, the Jews and the Romans HAD NO CHOICE in their part of the crucifixion because GOD HAD ALREADY PLANNED THIS IN ADVANCE!

So, once dead, God AS HIS OWN SON, rises up after three days and ascends back to heaven to sit at the right hand of HIMSELF before coming back to earth as the second coming to bring all the humans NOW REDEEMED AND FREE FROM SIN AS A RESULT OF HIS SELF-SACRIFICE.

Have I got that right or did I miss something? Because it doesn't really make much sense to me. Basically God killed himself in order to forgive us for our sins. Good for us, but what's in it for him?
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You've pretty much gotten it screwed up, OP. Lots of assumptions that just aren't true.

But your last question is important: "what's in it for him?" Everything. This is not something he had to do. It's something he wanted to do.
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Re: Now let me get this straight once and for all. The Crucifixion story.
God, seeing how corrupted all his creation had become, decides to go down to earth as HIS SON and sacrifice himself TO HIMSELF in order to redeem the evil humans and cleanse them of their sin?

All this, of course, having been planned by God means that Judas, the Jews and the Romans HAD NO CHOICE in their part of the crucifixion because GOD HAD ALREADY PLANNED THIS IN ADVANCE!

So, once dead, God AS HIS OWN SON, rises up after three days and ascends back to heaven to sit at the right hand of HIMSELF before coming back to earth as the second coming to bring all the humans NOW REDEEMED AND FREE FROM SIN AS A RESULT OF HIS SELF-SACRIFICE.

Have I got that right or did I miss something? Because it doesn't really make much sense to me. Basically God killed himself in order to forgive us for our sins. Good for us, but what's in it for him?
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You've pretty much gotten it screwed up, OP. Lots of assumptions that just aren't true.

But your last question is important: "what's in it for him?" Everything. This is not something he had to do. It's something he wanted to do.
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Ok. would you be able to write a short outline of how it actually happened?

Also why does an all-powerful God want or need to do this again?
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I don't know exactly, nor does anyone on this planet, the concpet of God being 3, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, but also ONE. But just because I don't understand it, doesn't mean I reject it. The proof of Jesus being the Son of God, or God on this Earth, if you will, is abundant. There are over 600 prophecies in the Old Testament concerning Jesus and His life, all came true. There were many many many authors, those who liked and those who hated, who wrote about Jesus and the miracles he performed, like raising Lazarus from the dead. I would hesitate to say the Romans, Judas, etc had no choice in "God's plan". This is what most people today cannot understand....yes, God knows the future, what you're going to do. But you STILL HAVE FREE WILL to CHOOSE which direction to take. It's just that God already knows it. He didn't force you. When Jesus was here on Earth, He knew His mission and His fate, as evident by Scripture, yet He did it anyway! He knew what was to come, but humbled Himself in service to mankind anyways!!!! He could have stopped it at anytime, but didn't. Also, Jesus said that He doesn't even know the hour of His return to Earth, only the Father in Heaven. OP, I totally get where you're coming from, and it is a great question. God set up life here on Earth to worship Him. That's why we are here....to serve God and to keep His commandments. That is the choice we have been given....to serve Him.....or to serve ourselves. He knows what you're going to do before you do, but allows you to make that choice. Because sin entered into the world by the choice that Adam and Eve made, punishment must come.....and that came as banishment from Eden, and physical death. Between birth and death, depending on how we live our lives, we have a choice as to what happens to our soul after we die. It can live forever, in a spiritual, but very real Eden, or we can suffer forever in the bottomless pit with Satan and his angels. What was their sin? PRIDE. Humble yourself in the sight of the Lord, and HE WILL lift you up!!!
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Re: Now let me get this straight once and for all. The Crucifixion story.
God, seeing how corrupted all his creation had become, decides to go down to earth as HIS SON and sacrifice himself TO HIMSELF in order to redeem the evil humans and cleanse them of their sin?

All this, of course, having been planned by God means that Judas, the Jews and the Romans HAD NO CHOICE in their part of the crucifixion because GOD HAD ALREADY PLANNED THIS IN ADVANCE!

So, once dead, God AS HIS OWN SON, rises up after three days and ascends back to heaven to sit at the right hand of HIMSELF before coming back to earth as the second coming to bring all the humans NOW REDEEMED AND FREE FROM SIN AS A RESULT OF HIS SELF-SACRIFICE.

Have I got that right or did I miss something? Because it doesn't really make much sense to me. Basically God killed himself in order to forgive us for our sins. Good for us, but what's in it for him?
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First paragraph inaccuracy: Humans aren't evil in God's eyes.

Second paragraph: It wasn't planned by God. It's what happened. It's like if your house catches on fire, and by storming the house to save your child, you're going to die in the process... you have to die in order to save your child, but you didn't set the fire, so you didn't plan it.

Third paragraph: The Holy Trinity is three persons in one. The sitting is figurative for humans to understand the two are separate but together. There's not an actual chair where God sits, and then Jesus sits next to it.
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It's not supposed to make sense to sane people. Religious doctrine is basically a litmus test for human intelligence and capacity for rational thought.
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God can see and know what you will do
before you do it
and you still chose to do it.

Can you not understand that?
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Re: Now let me get this straight once and for all. The Crucifixion story.
God, seeing how corrupted all his creation had become, decides to go down to earth as HIS SON and sacrifice himself TO HIMSELF in order to redeem the evil humans and cleanse them of their sin?

All this, of course, having been planned by God means that Judas, the Jews and the Romans HAD NO CHOICE in their part of the crucifixion because GOD HAD ALREADY PLANNED THIS IN ADVANCE!

So, once dead, God AS HIS OWN SON, rises up after three days and ascends back to heaven to sit at the right hand of HIMSELF before coming back to earth as the second coming to bring all the humans NOW REDEEMED AND FREE FROM SIN AS A RESULT OF HIS SELF-SACRIFICE.

Have I got that right or did I miss something? Because it doesn't really make much sense to me. Basically God killed himself in order to forgive us for our sins. Good for us, but what's in it for him?
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You've pretty much gotten it screwed up, OP. Lots of assumptions that just aren't true.

But your last question is important: "what's in it for him?" Everything. This is not something he had to do. It's something he wanted to do.
 Quoting: Life and Love


Ok. would you be able to write a short outline of how it actually happened?

Also why does an all-powerful God want or need to do this again?
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Please refer to my thread from two years ago on the subject. This is the best answer I can give...

Thread: The Greatest Story Never Told

It will take about ten minutes to read and digest.
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Have I got that right or did I miss something? Because it doesn't really make much sense to me. Basically God killed himself in order to forgive us for our sins. Good for us, but what's in it for him?
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Yes. Is that good enough for you?
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Re: Now let me get this straight once and for all. The Crucifixion story.
Or are you better?
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Ok. would you be able to write a short outline of how it actually happened?

Also why does an all-powerful God want or need to do this again?
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We don't understand God. We just understand God's relationship to us. Our soul is the link between a physical world and the spiritual. Our soul (and its representation in the spiritual form) is influenced by the activities of this world. Think of our lives as like a boot camp for eternal life. This is where we find out what we're made of.

The whole point of Jesus coming to Earth (and subsequently dying) was to wake us up to the realities that go beyond what we see in our physical lives. God wants our souls to love Him, but God does not have power over the character of our souls. It's the same concept of Satan turning away from God. Since the world was corrupting souls and turning them to evil, Jesus came to put us back on the right path.

The only thing that truly matters is the state of our souls when we die (and judged). God wants us to love Him, and we are given the opportunity on this planet to prove ourselves.
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Re: Now let me get this straight once and for all. The Crucifixion story.
God, seeing how corrupted all his creation had become, decides to go down to earth as HIS SON and sacrifice himself TO HIMSELF in order to redeem the evil humans and cleanse them of their sin?

All this, of course, having been planned by God means that Judas, the Jews and the Romans HAD NO CHOICE in their part of the crucifixion because GOD HAD ALREADY PLANNED THIS IN ADVANCE!

So, once dead, God AS HIS OWN SON, rises up after three days and ascends back to heaven to sit at the right hand of HIMSELF before coming back to earth as the second coming to bring all the humans NOW REDEEMED AND FREE FROM SIN AS A RESULT OF HIS SELF-SACRIFICE.

Have I got that right or did I miss something? Because it doesn't really make much sense to me. Basically God killed himself in order to forgive us for our sins. Good for us, but what's in it for him?
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You've pretty much gotten it screwed up, OP. Lots of assumptions that just aren't true.

But your last question is important: "what's in it for him?" Everything. This is not something he had to do. It's something he wanted to do.
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Well, see after God put the forbidden fruit in the garden and condemned mankind (Stupid oversight) he had to kill himself to protect you from himself...perfect sense yes?
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Have I got that right or did I miss something? Because it doesn't really make much sense to me. Basically God killed himself in order to forgive us for our sins. Good for us, but what's in it for him?
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Yes. Is that good enough for you?
Or are you better?
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Re: Now let me get this straight once and for all. The Crucifixion story.
God, seeing how corrupted all his creation had become, decides to go down to earth as HIS SON and sacrifice himself TO HIMSELF in order to redeem the evil humans and cleanse them of their sin?

All this, of course, having been planned by God means that Judas, the Jews and the Romans HAD NO CHOICE in their part of the crucifixion because GOD HAD ALREADY PLANNED THIS IN ADVANCE!

So, once dead, God AS HIS OWN SON, rises up after three days and ascends back to heaven to sit at the right hand of HIMSELF before coming back to earth as the second coming to bring all the humans NOW REDEEMED AND FREE FROM SIN AS A RESULT OF HIS SELF-SACRIFICE.

Have I got that right or did I miss something? Because it doesn't really make much sense to me. Basically God killed himself in order to forgive us for our sins. Good for us, but what's in it for him?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39347205


You've pretty much gotten it screwed up, OP. Lots of assumptions that just aren't true.

But your last question is important: "what's in it for him?" Everything. This is not something he had to do. It's something he wanted to do.
 Quoting: Life and Love


Well, see after God put the forbidden fruit in the garden and condemned mankind (Stupid oversight) he had to kill himself to protect you from himself...perfect sense yes?
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Now if we can just get Government officials to get on board with this reasoning we wil all be saved!
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Re: Now let me get this straight once and for all. The Crucifixion story.
God, seeing how corrupted all his creation had become, decides to go down to earth as HIS SON and sacrifice himself TO HIMSELF in order to redeem the evil humans and cleanse them of their sin?

All this, of course, having been planned by God means that Judas, the Jews and the Romans HAD NO CHOICE in their part of the crucifixion because GOD HAD ALREADY PLANNED THIS IN ADVANCE!

So, once dead, God AS HIS OWN SON, rises up after three days and ascends back to heaven to sit at the right hand of HIMSELF before coming back to earth as the second coming to bring all the humans NOW REDEEMED AND FREE FROM SIN AS A RESULT OF HIS SELF-SACRIFICE.

Have I got that right or did I miss something? Because it doesn't really make much sense to me. Basically God killed himself in order to forgive us for our sins. Good for us, but what's in it for him?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39347205


You've pretty much gotten it screwed up, OP. Lots of assumptions that just aren't true.

But your last question is important: "what's in it for him?" Everything. This is not something he had to do. It's something he wanted to do.
 Quoting: Life and Love


Ok. would you be able to write a short outline of how it actually happened?

Also why does an all-powerful God want or need to do this again?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39347205


Please refer to my thread from two years ago on the subject. This is the best answer I can give...

Thread: The Greatest Story Never Told

It will take about ten minutes to read and digest.
 Quoting: Life and Love


To quote someone on that thread....bump

it was the love not the nails that kept Christ on the cross.

Brilliantly said............hf
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Re: Now let me get this straight once and for all. The Crucifixion story.
You don't understand how a child could be born innocent into a world as a babe yet require salvation from sin. Or why God, who created and loves us, throw us into the middle of His battle with his rebellious enemy satan. These are all understandable questions and bible addresses these and much more that most who walk the earth today have no understanding of.


Hebrews 1

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

The word worlds there means world ages. We are coming to the very end of the 2nd age where the children of God are born into flesh to see if they will come to love their Creator again from a zero point of innocence. There will be one last age where the children of God will live on the earth in spiritual bodies that do not die, grow old, or get sick.


So back to why are we sent here...

It is because many of Gods children followed satan during his attempt to overthrow the throne of God in the 1st earth age. God wants the love of those children back. As such we are all born into flesh innocent to see if we might make a different choice to love God or to follow satan. All children of God are born into this world out of fairness.

Hell is not exactly what most Christianity think or teach that it is either. Satan has corrupted the teaching in the churches to keep many from accepting the love of our Father.

There is a reason and a point to why we are here and things are the way there are.
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Re: Now let me get this straight once and for all. The Crucifixion story.
God, seeing how corrupted all his creation had become, decides to go down to earth as HIS SON and sacrifice himself TO HIMSELF in order to redeem the evil humans and cleanse them of their sin?

All this, of course, having been planned by God means that Judas, the Jews and the Romans HAD NO CHOICE in their part of the crucifixion because GOD HAD ALREADY PLANNED THIS IN ADVANCE!

So, once dead, God AS HIS OWN SON, rises up after three days and ascends back to heaven to sit at the right hand of HIMSELF before coming back to earth as the second coming to bring all the humans NOW REDEEMED AND FREE FROM SIN AS A RESULT OF HIS SELF-SACRIFICE.

Have I got that right or did I miss something? Because it doesn't really make much sense to me. Basically God killed himself in order to forgive us for our sins. Good for us, but what's in it for him?
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oh it gets even better

the same sick twisted shits, that supposedly hung him on a cross

built a religion to worship him by...how nice of you

but only to drink his blood and eat his flesh

dont forget the apostles

all named but no graves or houses to be seen

invisible to the eye

then there's revelations

now how could satan look down on him self if he was cast down

i could go on and on and on but what is the point really

let them be contained in their own ignorance and spite
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let them be contained in their own ignorance and spite
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By your own words..
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Re: Now let me get this straight once and for all. The Crucifixion story.
God, seeing how corrupted all his creation had become, decides to go down to earth as HIS SON and sacrifice himself TO HIMSELF in order to redeem the evil humans and cleanse them of their sin?

All this, of course, having been planned by God means that Judas, the Jews and the Romans HAD NO CHOICE in their part of the crucifixion because GOD HAD ALREADY PLANNED THIS IN ADVANCE!

So, once dead, God AS HIS OWN SON, rises up after three days and ascends back to heaven to sit at the right hand of HIMSELF before coming back to earth as the second coming to bring all the humans NOW REDEEMED AND FREE FROM SIN AS A RESULT OF HIS SELF-SACRIFICE.

Have I got that right or did I miss something? Because it doesn't really make much sense to me. Basically God killed himself in order to forgive us for our sins. Good for us, but what's in it for him?
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You've pretty much gotten it screwed up, OP. Lots of assumptions that just aren't true.

But your last question is important: "what's in it for him?" Everything. This is not something he had to do. It's something he wanted to do.
 Quoting: Life and Love


Ok. would you be able to write a short outline of how it actually happened?

Also why does an all-powerful God want or need to do this again?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39347205


Please refer to my thread from two years ago on the subject. This is the best answer I can give...

Thread: The Greatest Story Never Told

It will take about ten minutes to read and digest.
 Quoting: Life and Love


cool story. the only thing i didnt understand was in your story, the son and the father are clearly different people, whereas i have been taught by the church that jesus and god are one and the same.

also, god created the universe. why can't he just wipe people out like he did in the flood and start all over again and create them without sin? wouldnt that be simpler than al these shenanigans?
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Or are you better?
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what? better than what? no i don't think so. i'm just trying to understand the story of the crucifixion.
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cool story. the only thing i didnt understand was in your story, the son and the father are clearly different people, whereas i have been taught by the church that jesus and god are one and the same.

also, god created the universe. why can't he just wipe people out like he did in the flood and start all over again and create them without sin? wouldnt that be simpler than al these shenanigans?
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What church were you attending, OP, when you were taught that? Sounds like you heard exactly half of what was being said.

You wrote, "...Create them without sin..." I never knew anyone was created with sin.

Last Edited by Life and Love on 05/05/2013 05:17 PM
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cool story. the only thing i didnt understand was in your story, the son and the father are clearly different people, whereas i have been taught by the church that jesus and god are one and the same.

also, god created the universe. why can't he just wipe people out like he did in the flood and start all over again and create them without sin? wouldnt that be simpler than al these shenanigans?
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What church were you attending, OP, when you were taught that? Sounds like you heard exactly half of what was being said.

You wrote, "...Create them without sin..." I never knew anyone was created with sin.
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i don't know the name of it. i know it was protestant though. back when i was a kid. i used to go to sunday school also. i'm pretty sure it's common knowledge that jesus and god are supposed to be one and the same. that jesus is god incarnate. or am i mistaken?

what i mean is, god is all powerful. why not just wipe us out like he did before and start again?
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cool story. the only thing i didnt understand was in your story, the son and the father are clearly different people, whereas i have been taught by the church that jesus and god are one and the same.

also, god created the universe. why can't he just wipe people out like he did in the flood and start all over again and create them without sin? wouldnt that be simpler than al these shenanigans?
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What church were you attending, OP, when you were taught that? Sounds like you heard exactly half of what was being said.

You wrote, "...Create them without sin..." I never knew anyone was created with sin.
 Quoting: Life and Love


i don't know the name of it. i know it was protestant though. back when i was a kid. i used to go to sunday school also. i'm pretty sure it's common knowledge that jesus and god are supposed to be one and the same. that jesus is god incarnate. or am i mistaken?

what i mean is, god is all powerful. why not just wipe us out like he did before and start again?
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Re: Now let me get this straight once and for all. The Crucifixion story.
God, seeing how corrupted all his creation had become, decides to go down to earth as HIS SON and sacrifice himself TO HIMSELF in order to redeem the evil humans and cleanse them of their sin?

All this, of course, having been planned by God means that Judas, the Jews and the Romans HAD NO CHOICE in their part of the crucifixion because GOD HAD ALREADY PLANNED THIS IN ADVANCE!

So, once dead, God AS HIS OWN SON, rises up after three days and ascends back to heaven to sit at the right hand of HIMSELF before coming back to earth as the second coming to bring all the humans NOW REDEEMED AND FREE FROM SIN AS A RESULT OF HIS SELF-SACRIFICE.

Have I got that right or did I miss something? Because it doesn't really make much sense to me. Basically God killed himself in order to forgive us for our sins. Good for us, but what's in it for him?
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Never mind op, dont you worry about it, crack open a beer and watch some TV you will feel a lot better
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Re: Now let me get this straight once and for all. The Crucifixion story.
cool story. the only thing i didnt understand was in your story, the son and the father are clearly different people, whereas i have been taught by the church that jesus and god are one and the same.

also, god created the universe. why can't he just wipe people out like he did in the flood and start all over again and create them without sin? wouldnt that be simpler than al these shenanigans?
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What church were you attending, OP, when you were taught that? Sounds like you heard exactly half of what was being said.

You wrote, "...Create them without sin..." I never knew anyone was created with sin.
 Quoting: Life and Love


i don't know the name of it. i know it was protestant though. back when i was a kid. i used to go to sunday school also. i'm pretty sure it's common knowledge that jesus and god are supposed to be one and the same. that jesus is god incarnate. or am i mistaken?

what i mean is, god is all powerful. why not just wipe us out like he did before and start again?
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I'm getting ready for dinner. But I'll come back after awhile to continue our conversation.
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ok. i'm going to bed in a minute so i'll pick up in the morning. gnite. :-)
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Or are you better?
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what? better than what? no i don't think so. i'm just trying to understand the story of the crucifixion.
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Alright then.
So since there's nothing that you can do about what he has already done,
all you can do is say "Yes, thank you." or "No."
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Re: Now let me get this straight once and for all. The Crucifixion story.
The Crucifixion Story has important lessons for us to learn.

We are a part of God, and our Conscious Self is directly connected to God. We are a soul that has 4 parts,
one being the Conscious Self,
the emotional self,
the physical self, and
the mental self.

The big problem we have is that we also have an EGO, which God did not make, but we each made.
The ego is one of two voices in our mind, and unfortunately it is the voice which always tells us the wrong advice.

Go gave us His Voice to also be in our mind, and it is called the Christ Self, and also called the Holy Spirit.

Our Conscious Self is the conscious part of our mind, and it can choose to do whatever it wants to do, but if it listens to the ego, it can also forget it is connected to God and instead it can believe it is the ego. That’s what we have all done many times.
And then it gets stuck by the manipulations of the ego.

But if it chooses to listen to the Christ Self, which is God’s Voice in our mind, then it will be given always the best advice and will be given the ‘abundance of life’ as is promised, where we don’t even have to worry about any of our needs because they will be provided. And it does work that way when we decide to let our Conscious self be guided by our Christ Self..

God sent Jesus here 2000 yrs ago to show mankind that there was a way to find our way back to God. The world then, just as now, had a very corrupting influence that was influencing mankind in a way that would make it difficult for any to find their way back to God.
And Jesus gave us his teaching and life examples and experiences for us to follow, so that we would have a way to use his life to pattern our own lives after so that we could get off the wheel of Karma and find our way finally back to the Higher Spiritual Realms where we all really belong.

God sent Krishna to the Earth for the same reasons.

Jesus was not sacrificed by God for the nonsense that has continued to be told for all these years.

Jesus could have escaped the crucifixion many times, but he decided to allow it to happen to teach 2 very important lessons in a way that could be remembered.
(But instead has been distorted by the fake church leaders in order to sabotage Jesus’ teaching)

One reason was to teach that we must forgive regardless what is done to us, just as he forgave all those who brutally treated and killed his body.


The Other reason was to prove that there really is no death for any of us and he had already told his disciples that if his body was killed he would raise it up in 3 days, and that gave him the opportunity to do that, and prove to his disciples and all of us who follow his teaching that we are spirit and are created by God to live forever.

I study a lot of Jesus’ teaching which includes all that was taken out of the New Testament by the group of people who felt that Jesus’ teaching threatened their hold on the power they held over the rest of humankind.
And so they removed a lot of what Jesus taught, and manipulated the people to believe that Jesus was the ONLY Son of God, so that we would not even try to emulate his teaching and follow what he said we could also do.

I study it here: [link to www.askrealjesus.com]

The TRUTH is; We are ALL the Sons of God, not only Jesus, and that is also what Jesus taught.


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Re: Now let me get this straight once and for all. The Crucifixion story.
The Crucifixion Story has important lessons for us to learn.

We are a part of God, and our Conscious Self is directly connected to God. We are a soul that has 4 parts,
one being the Conscious Self,
the emotional self,
the physical self, and
the mental self.

The big problem we have is that we also have an EGO, which God did not make, but we each made.
The ego is one of two voices in our mind, and unfortunately it is the voice which always tells us the wrong advice.

Go gave us His Voice to also be in our mind, and it is called the Christ Self, and also called the Holy Spirit.

Our Conscious Self is the conscious part of our mind, and it can choose to do whatever it wants to do, but if it listens to the ego, it can also forget it is connected to God and instead it can believe it is the ego. That’s what we have all done many times.
And then it gets stuck by the manipulations of the ego.

But if it chooses to listen to the Christ Self, which is God’s Voice in our mind, then it will be given always the best advice and will be given the ‘abundance of life’ as is promised, where we don’t even have to worry about any of our needs because they will be provided. And it does work that way when we decide to let our Conscious self be guided by our Christ Self..

God sent Jesus here 2000 yrs ago to show mankind that there was a way to find our way back to God. The world then, just as now, had a very corrupting influence that was influencing mankind in a way that would make it difficult for any to find their way back to God.
And Jesus gave us his teaching and life examples and experiences for us to follow, so that we would have a way to use his life to pattern our own lives after so that we could get off the wheel of Karma and find our way finally back to the Higher Spiritual Realms where we all really belong.

God sent Krishna to the Earth for the same reasons.

Jesus was not sacrificed by God for the nonsense that has continued to be told for all these years.

Jesus could have escaped the crucifixion many times, but he decided to allow it to happen to teach 2 very important lessons in a way that could be remembered.
(But instead has been distorted by the fake church leaders in order to sabotage Jesus’ teaching)

One reason was to teach that we must forgive regardless what is done to us, just as he forgave all those who brutally treated and killed his body.


The Other reason was to prove that there really is no death for any of us and he had already told his disciples that if his body was killed he would raise it up in 3 days, and that gave him the opportunity to do that, and prove to his disciples and all of us who follow his teaching that we are spirit and are created by God to live forever.

I study a lot of Jesus’ teaching which includes all that was taken out of the New Testament by the group of people who felt that Jesus’ teaching threatened their hold on the power they held over the rest of humankind.
And so they removed a lot of what Jesus taught, and manipulated the people to believe that Jesus was the ONLY Son of God, so that we would not even try to emulate his teaching and follow what he said we could also do.

I study it here: [link to www.askrealjesus.com]

The TRUTH is; We are ALL the Sons of God, not only Jesus, and that is also what Jesus taught.


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All that... and not even one verse at all...
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Re: Now let me get this straight once and for all. The Crucifixion story.
The 'three in one' is just a device to make you think you're still monotheistic. Actually you're not, but that didn't matter so much to the Romans, who also were not. They thought it would appeal to those in their realm who were used to having several gods as well as those who only had one God. Now they all had three, which was a workable compromise.
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Re: Now let me get this straight once and for all. The Crucifixion story.
The 'three in one' is just a device to make you think you're still monotheistic. Actually you're not, but that didn't matter so much to the Romans, who also were not. They thought it would appeal to those in their realm who were used to having several gods as well as those who only had one God. Now they all had three, which was a workable compromise.
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I don't think that's the way the Romans saw it, since they continued to call Christians "atheists" since they only believed in one God.
We become like that to which we are devoted. - Choose wisely.
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Re: Now let me get this straight once and for all. The Crucifixion story.
The Crucifixion Story has important lessons for us to learn.

We.. Self.. We.. Self.. self.. self.. self.. we.. we.. EGO.. we.. our.. us.. us.. our mind.. Christ Self.. Self.. ego.. ego.. we.. ego.. the Christ Self.. our mind.. our Christ Self.. then, just as now, had a very corrupting influence.... And Jesus gave us his teaching.. off the wheel of Karma.. Higher Spiritual Realms.. God sent Krishna to the Earth for the same reasons... Jesus was not sacrificed by God for the nonsense that has continued to be told for all these years... (But instead has been distorted by the fake church leaders in order to sabotage Jesus’ teaching)... manipulated the people to believe that Jesus was the ONLY Son of God...The TRUTH is; We are ALL the Sons of God, not only Jesus...
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No.





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