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I have a long-standing grudge against bicylists. Ask me a question!

 
Fret Wiz
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I have a long-standing grudge against bicylists. Ask me a question!
I live in a mountainous area full of narrow 2-way roads that snake thoughout. More often than not, these roads have no posted speed limits (55mph) or are 45mph, and are full of blind hills and corners. It's a beatiful area, and in the good weather, attracts all types of people looking for that "idyllic weekend country drive".

I'm not here to demonize anyone (I took these same drives before I decided to just live here), but I hold a deep & long standing disdain for bicylists.

I mean, specifically, those bicyclists that travel in packs, decked out in expensive gear covered in sponsorship logos (that they're not getting paid to display, quite the opposite!). Biketards?

Now, let me say -- I get the appeal for coming out my way - weather, beauty & a challenging ride with sufficient hills and curves is what I imagine these people dream of, but FFS, someone is going to killed!!

I have had far too many close calls coming around a blind corner to find a pack of these humans, 2 or 3 wide. Even when they're single-file, these roads have no shoulder. If I'm doing 45 in this situation & there happens to be on oncoming car, WTF?

This is not the Tour De France. Going 2+ wide, drifting, this stuff makes me so damn angry.

Either a bicyclist, me, or an oncoming car is going to get killed one of these days.

Minimum speed limits would fix it. I know, good luck with that.

What do ya think, GLP?
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I don't bike on roads like an idiot for specifically these reasons. Run those fuckers over.
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Know what you mean, I'm all for cycling, but they ride 2 or 3 abreast here too,( in the southern UK countryside) or wobble along 3ft from the side on racing bikes made for smooth roads; whilst their counterparts in the town seem to all ride full suspension mountain bikes.
The stupid, it hurts..
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"Bi"-cyclist think they share NO responsibility in their own safety....but most fail to realize that in most any collision with a 4 wheeled vehicle they will LOSE...with all the "texting & driving" these days you would have to be a fool to try and share the road with cars/trucks....but who ever said "Bi"-cyclist had brains?
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Where I live, I've noticed a trend of people riding on the side of the road going against the flow of traffic. At least if they're going with traffic, I could slow down and wait for a good opportunity to pass, annoying as that may be. But if the idiot is coming towards me, it forces me to try and get over, even if there's oncoming traffic in the opposite lane. Wtf?
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Where I live, I've noticed a trend of people riding on the side of the road going against the flow of traffic. At least if they're going with traffic, I could slow down and wait for a good opportunity to pass, annoying as that may be. But if the idiot is coming towards me, it forces me to try and get over, even if there's oncoming traffic in the opposite lane. Wtf?
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like I said, NO brains
Fret Wiz (OP)
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... if the idiot is coming towards me, it forces me to try and get over...
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Right? Not to mention that a collision will be that much more violent w/ the added velocity.

I like to envision a perpetual carton of eggs in my passenger seat scheming
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Know what you mean, I'm all for cycling, but they ride 2 or 3 abreast here too,( in the southern UK countryside) or wobble along 3ft from the side on racing bikes made for smooth roads; whilst their counterparts in the town seem to all ride full suspension mountain bikes.
The stupid, it hurts..
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Especially in bike-friendly Europe...these people need to stay in town.
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What do ya think, GLP?




I am with you bud.... I have the same problem here out in the farm land areas..... they are so annoying and aren't considerate of vehicles.... nice post OP
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I'm not sure any of you know jack shit about cyclists. As a cyclist myself allow me to clue you in. There are basically two kinds of cyclists. There are those who use a bicycle and really never bother to learn anything including which side of the road to ride on, or even how to keep their front wheel straight while peddling (will almost always be found riding a cheap ass mountain bike). Then there are the enthusiasts. These people know the laws and generally abide by the laws.

Cycling is a community of people who locally tend to know each other. Any cyclist who has been riding for any length of time knows someone who has been hit (likely killed) by a motorist. In 90% of cases it is a motorists fault. Motorists know much less about traffic laws than cyclists.

The reason that knowledgable cyclists take the lane rather than hugging the shoulder is because it is well known that it is safer to keep motorists behind you when there is oncoming traffic. They try to pass you when there is no room to do so. Also a cyclist who takes the lane is easier to see than one on the shoulder. There are other reasons to not hug the shoulder.

Unmarked roads are almost never 55MPH roads. In my state an unmarked road is automatically 35MPH.

These people have the right to use the roadway just like you do. Don't blame them because you like to speed and because you don't know what the traffic laws are.

Last Edited by Unixlike on 05/06/2013 09:22 AM
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I live in a mountainous area full of narrow 2-way roads that snake thoughout. More often than not, these roads have no posted speed limits (55mph) or are 45mph, and are full of blind hills and corners. It's a beatiful area, and in the good weather, attracts all types of people looking for that "idyllic weekend country drive".

I'm not here to demonize anyone (I took these same drives before I decided to just live here), but I hold a deep & long standing disdain for bicylists.

I mean, specifically, those bicyclists that travel in packs, decked out in expensive gear covered in sponsorship logos (that they're not getting paid to display, quite the opposite!). Biketards?

Now, let me say -- I get the appeal for coming out my way - weather, beauty & a challenging ride with sufficient hills and curves is what I imagine these people dream of, but FFS, someone is going to killed!!

I have had far too many close calls coming around a blind corner to find a pack of these humans, 2 or 3 wide. Even when they're single-file, these roads have no shoulder. If I'm doing 45 in this situation & there happens to be on oncoming car, WTF?

This is not the Tour De France. Going 2+ wide, drifting, this stuff makes me so damn angry.

Either a bicyclist, me, or an oncoming car is going to get killed one of these days.

Minimum speed limits would fix it. I know, good luck with that.

What do ya think, GLP?
 Quoting: Fret Wiz


I'm sure that the people who called this place home before you came in were glad to see you when you showed up, too.
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Every year about 800 bikers die on the nations byways. The majority from not yielding the r/w. I mountain bike I have a training run in town, always pretend that cars r trying to run me down. I think most bikers feel they have the r/w, it what I call a life limiting mistake. I like riding in the desert, much safer & lots of wildlife out there.
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Cartards. Pay no attention.
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nice post OP
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Thx, Fab, appreciated - my very first thread! rockon
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Roobars. Problem solved.
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I'm not sure any of you know jack shit about cyclists. As a cyclist myself allow me to clue you in. There are basically two kinds of cyclists. There are those who use a bicycle and really never bother to learn anything including which side of the road to ride on, or even how to keep their front wheel straight while peddling. Then there are the enthusiasts. These people know the laws and generally abide by the laws.

Cycling is a community of people who locally tend to know each other. Any cyclist who has been riding for any length of time knows someone who has been hit (likely killed) by a motorist. In 90% of cases it is a motorists fault. Motorists know much less about traffic laws than cyclists.

The reason that knowledgable cyclists take the lane rather than hugging the shoulder is because it is well known that it is safer to keep motorists behind you when there is oncoming traffic. They try to pass you when there is no room to do so. Also a cyclist who takes the lane is easier to see than one on the shoulder. There are other reasons to not hug the shoulder.

Unmarked roads are almost never 55MPH roads. In my state an unmarked road is automatically 35MPH.

These people have the right to use the roadway just like you do. Don't blame them because you like to speed and because you don't know what the traffic laws are.
 Quoting: Unixlike



35-55mph you are joking right?...this makes what kind of difference in a blind curve?

AND NO, they don't have a right to the Tax paid roadway UNTIL they start paying a road tax!
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cant stand them either. I wish I could run them all over
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I'm with you 100%. Roads are made for CARS not bicycles. period. If there is a bike lane or shoulder with room for someone to ride their bike, great, more power to them. But if there is no shoulder, or said bicyclists choose to ride 2-3 people deep into the road (which they do, ALLLL the time, without care or concern for their safety or that of other drivers!), they should be ticketed. Because as OP said, eventually they are going to get themselves or someone else killed. I am so fucking sick of their smug, holier than thou attitude. They hate drivers who don't (or often can't) "share" the road, but they themselves are guilty of the same thing, and act like they own the road! And unlike cars, they are impeding traffic when they do this. Freaking ridiculous.

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Here in the Netherlands we have mostly a seperated lane for cyclist. But For non EUtards, it's still going to be a hell to drive in here.
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Unmarked roads are almost never 55MPH roads. In my state an unmarked road is automatically 35MPH.
 Quoting: Unixlike


Clearly, we are in diff states: [link to www.virginiadot.org]

The point is moot anyway, you have 55mph roads in your state, yes?

These people have the right to use the roadway just like you do. Don't blame them because you like to speed and because you don't know what the traffic laws are.
 Quoting: Unixlike


No blame all from me, and I don't doubt that cyclists are well-versed in traffic laws. I would even agree with your assessment of 90% of drivers.

I am talking about safety - yours and mine & the poor sap on the other side of the road. The question is why you cyclists choose to endanger themselves and others, when you could choose a newer route - one that is wider, one that may have even been designed w/ cyclists in mind?
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don't have a right to the Tax paid roadway UNTIL they start paying a road tax!
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Great point!
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bushfing

I, like many others trapped in our homes and vehicles 8-9 months a year love bicycling during the short time the non die hards can actually enjoy it.

Bicycle commuting is healthy, cheap and easy on the environment, and delivers substantial societal benefits.
Even with our short season, we have created bike lanes, everyone must share the road and obey the traffic rules.

Where u going in such a hurry anyway?
Slow down and smell the roses.

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Top 3 Causes of bicycling deaths:

Motorist failed to yield: 21.6%
Cyclist failed to yield: 16.8%
Motorist merged into cyclist's lane: 12.1%

1/3 of all motorist related cycling deaths involve alcohol.

90% of cyclists killed were not wearing a helmet. This doesn't mean that wearing a helmet reduces your chances of being killed by 90%. Sure, wearing a helmet is safer, but those who are cognizant enough to wear helmets also tend to be those smart enough to ride safely.

Most cyclists killed are not enthusiast riders. They are unskilled and uninformed riders who ride poorly, do not obey laws, and do not learn defensive riding skills.
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don't have a right to the Tax paid roadway UNTIL they start paying a road tax!
 Quoting: Unixlike


Great point!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39324786


Not true. Cyclists own vehicles and pay fuel taxes which support road maintenance. Just because they don't happen to be burning fuel when they are on their bikes doesn't mean they haven't paid their fair share of taxes.
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What do ya think, GLP?
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I think that you are going to fast and you know it...yellowbike

What about people on foot or horses, the roads where made for everyone. It won't kill you do go 25 or 30. But you may well kill someone if you don't.
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don't have a right to the Tax paid roadway UNTIL they start paying a road tax!
 Quoting: Unixlike


Great point!
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Th ere is a exception to this, while I was in the road building business, we were required to install bike lanes. The lanes were paid for by grants not gas taxes.

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don't have a right to the Tax paid roadway UNTIL they start paying a road tax!
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Great point!
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Not true. Cyclists own vehicles and pay fuel taxes which support road maintenance. Just because they don't happen to be burning fuel when they are on their bikes doesn't mean they haven't paid their fair share of taxes.
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In most cases, yes.
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Great point!
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Not true. Cyclists own vehicles and pay fuel taxes which support road maintenance. Just because they don't happen to be burning fuel when they are on their bikes doesn't mean they haven't paid their fair share of taxes.
 Quoting: Fret Wiz


In most cases, yes.
 Quoting: Unixlike


Sidewalks are paid for by gas tax, they r public r/w everybody has a right to use them.

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bushfing

I, like many others trapped in our homes and vehicles 8-9 months a year love bicycling during the short time the non die hards can actually enjoy it.

Bicycle commuting is healthy, cheap and easy on the environment, and delivers substantial societal benefits.
Even with our short season, we have created bike lanes, everyone must share the road and obey the traffic rules.

Where u going in such a hurry anyway?
Slow down and smell the roses.

rose
 Quoting: Madame X



Not going in a hurry, just the speed limit....

here, you may find this interesting:

[link to www.csgnetwork.com]

stopping dist of avg vehicle with reaction time added in

from 25mph, 85 feet
35mph, 136ft
45mph, 196ft
55mph, 265ft

even if I'm going 25mph pn a road that is posted at 35mph and come around a "blind curve"...see you at less than 70ft away...how am I gonna stop?
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What do ya think, GLP?
 Quoting: Fret Wiz


I think that you are going to fast and you know it...:yellowbike:

What about people on foot or horses, the roads where made for everyone. It won't kill you do go 25 or 30. But you may well kill someone if you don't.
 Quoting: Judethz


Judy, Judy, Judy....here:

stopping dist of avg vehicle with reaction time added in

from 25mph, 85 feet
35mph, 136ft
45mph, 196ft
55mph, 265ft

even if I'm going 25mph pn a road that is posted at 35mph and come around a "blind curve"...see you at less than 70ft away...how am I gonna stop?
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In my State it is illegal to ride a bicycle on the sidewalk. Statistics show that it is actually more dangerous.

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