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I have a long-standing grudge against bicylists. Ask me a question!

 
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I hate bikers. I hate the way they think the rules don't apply to them. They're always running red lights and stop signs just because they see nobody is coming so they think it's OK. And I really HATE the way that hardcore bikers think that car drivers are out to get them all the time.
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In my State it is illegal to ride a bicycle on the sidewalk. Statistics show that it is actually more dangerous.
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what state might that be?
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I think that you are going to fast and you know it...

What about people on foot or horses, the roads where made for everyone. It won't kill you do go 25 or 30. But you may well kill someone if you don't.
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Jude,

I have places to go & I'm not in my car for a leisurely drive 99.995% of the time. I do the speed limit & I am very aware of hills & corners (they really should sell deer-collision insurance out here) not to mention that these old-timers like the middle of the road quite a bit.

Triple-digit IQs wouldn't be walking on the roads I'm describing anyway, barring a breakdown or other calamity.

Believe me, cyclists are certainly not the only, or even greatest threat. Most annoying? IMO, yes - when they are on these narrow roads that are dangerous enough already.

Be Safe!
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bushfing

I, like many others trapped in our homes and vehicles 8-9 months a year love bicycling during the short time the non die hards can actually enjoy it.

Bicycle commuting is healthy, cheap and easy on the environment, and delivers substantial societal benefits.
Even with our short season, we have created bike lanes, everyone must share the road and obey the traffic rules.

Where u going in such a hurry anyway?
Slow down and smell the roses.

rose
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Did it ever occur to you that while you're on your leisurely bike ride, going much slower than the speed limit, that the people stuck behind you in their cars might be trying to get to WORK??? Or the hospital? Or a long-awaited appointment? You either live in your own little bubble or just flat-out don't care that other people have places to be, and this is why people hate bicyclists like you!
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In my State it is illegal to ride a bicycle on the sidewalk. Statistics show that it is actually more dangerous.
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Ditto. Seems like they wanna almost force cyclists in the road.
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Only 8% of cycling deaths are caused from being hit from behind. A moving cyclist typically rides about 10MPH, sometimes slower and sometimes as fast as 20MPH (on flat ground). So this speed must be accounted for in stopping distances.

Coming up on a cyclist around a blind corner at that critical distance which makes it hard for a non-speeding driver to slow down enough is probably going to be a fairly rare event. Since OP lives in an area where there are many tight corners he may experience this situation more often than most.

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Roobars. Problem solved.
 Quoting: Shoot straight Johnny

Already got 'em groucho
Seriously though, the car/satnav'd van drivers who've just lately moved in from the towns are just as bad- going everywhere at 65mph, cutting sharp corners- planting themselves in hedges, floods and oncoming tractors all winter..
Drive as though everyone else is an idiot though, and waiting before seeing the whites of your eyes to jump out, indicate wrong etc; you won't go far wrong. Here there are lots of pheasants and deer about that might benefit from this sort of attitude too.
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I live near a major city, and this comes up once in a while (usually when a cyclist gets hit - LOL). They whine that the cars don't treat them as equals and it endangers them.

Hey, assholes - when you stop riding between 2 lanes of cars when they are stopped, just because you can fit...when you stop acting like you're above it all and everyone had better yield to whatever the hell you want to do...whenever you stop acting like morons...THEN, I might treat you the same.

Stop acting like I owe you something. I'm in a car and you're on a toy. You had better weigh the consequence of a collision whether you think you're right or not.
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Not true. Cyclists own vehicles and pay fuel taxes which support road maintenance. Just because they don't happen to be burning fuel when they are on their bikes doesn't mean they haven't paid their fair share of taxes.
 Quoting: Fret Wiz


In most cases, yes.
 Quoting: Unixlike


Sidewalks are paid for by gas tax, they r public r/w everybody has a right to use them.
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A fair comparison to make, but there's no sidewalks or bike lanes in the rural areas. I think the conversation, incl. MY opinion, changes drastically if we're talking urban, or even suburban.

Peace.
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Heard on the radio this morning that a bicyclist caused another accident. The idiot bicyclist switched lanes in front of a truck, and the truck driver had to swerve to avoid killing the bicyclist.

The bicyclist is fine, but the driver of the truck was pinned in his truck.
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I live near a major city, and this comes up once in a while (usually when a cyclist gets hit - LOL). They whine that the cars don't treat them as equals and it endangers them.

Hey, assholes - when you stop riding between 2 lanes of cars when they are stopped, just because you can fit...when you stop acting like you're above it all and everyone had better yield to whatever the hell you want to do...whenever you stop acting like morons...THEN, I might treat you the same.

Stop acting like I owe you something. I'm in a car and you're on a toy. You had better weigh the consequence of a collision whether you think you're right or not.
 Quoting: Judge Smails


clappa
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I'm in a car and you're on a toy.
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hahahaha!
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I live in a mountainous area full of narrow 2-way roads that snake thoughout. More often than not, these roads have no posted speed limits (55mph) or are 45mph, and are full of blind hills and corners. It's a beatiful area, and in the good weather, attracts all types of people looking for that "idyllic weekend country drive".

I'm not here to demonize anyone (I took these same drives before I decided to just live here), but I hold a deep & long standing disdain for bicylists.

I mean, specifically, those bicyclists that travel in packs, decked out in expensive gear covered in sponsorship logos (that they're not getting paid to display, quite the opposite!). Biketards?

Now, let me say -- I get the appeal for coming out my way - weather, beauty & a challenging ride with sufficient hills and curves is what I imagine these people dream of, but FFS, someone is going to killed!!

I have had far too many close calls coming around a blind corner to find a pack of these humans, 2 or 3 wide. Even when they're single-file, these roads have no shoulder. If I'm doing 45 in this situation & there happens to be on oncoming car, WTF?

This is not the Tour De France. Going 2+ wide, drifting, this stuff makes me so damn angry.

Either a bicyclist, me, or an oncoming car is going to get killed one of these days.

Minimum speed limits would fix it. I know, good luck with that.

What do ya think, GLP?
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i bike lots, i hate those fag Tour De France looking gay cunts every mornings
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I have had far too many close calls coming around a blind corner to find a pack of these humans, 2 or 3 wide. Even when they're single-file, these roads have no shoulder. If I'm doing 45 in this situation & there happens to be on oncoming car, WTF?

 Quoting: Fret Wiz


You’re supposed to slow down on a blind corner.

There could be a broken down car or an animal on the road.

Stop looking to blame others and take responsibility for yourself.
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I'm not going to say there aren't bad cyclists out there. I know there are. And before I began riding I hated cyclist's too. However, once I began to ride I started driving differently around them. I don't pass them when there is hardly room. I'll slow down to their painfully slow speed and wait for a chance to pass with room.

A decent cyclist will pay enough attention that if they are causing a backup of traffic they'll pull off the road for a moment. A smart cyclist fears for their life and tries to ride smartly. There are a lot of cyclists (like anybody else) who don't seem to be aware of the very real danger they are in.

Rural roads are relaxing to ride on because traffic is not heavy. It's hard to enjoy yourself mixed up with hundreds of cars. You're too busy trying to stay alive.

In my small city we have bicycle lanes and dedicated cycling trails. This really makes things better for all involved.

One of the worst things a cyclist can do is ride with ear buds blaring music. A cyclist's best defense is the increased sensory perception they are afforded versus driving a vehicle. For example, an aware cyclist will hear you coming from behind a blind corner and they'll get over closer to the side of the road to allow you to pass them with just a slight swerve. They'll also look ahead and if they see oncoming traffic that would prevent you from passing them and if they believe that you may have trouble slowing enough when you come around the corner they'll get off the road entirely. On the other hand hugging the shoulder is dangerous, too. I hug the shoulder more than I should.

A cyclist takes their own life in their hands every time they ride. It's smart to be a defensive and thoughtful rider. I worry enough about it that I always carry my wallet so they can identify my dead body more easily.

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Yep, they always cause problems. They have these big biking marathon days and they all leave their cars at the same park my daughter plays soccer. I have to park miles away and I'm late to see her game on those days. Then there are hundreds of bikes all over the streets, riding in packs you have to avoid. My stress level goes way up when I have to pass one of those packs because my mind keeps thinking one of them is going to swerve out into the middle of the street just when I'm passing and I'm going to get my pants sued off.

Not to mention the packs all stop at the same place to get drinks. I try to go to my starbucks and the line is a mile long with those bikers. Why the fuck do they want dehydrating coffee for on their long rides? Go to the fucking juice bar next day.

They are irritating.
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I've got the same situation as OP. Bikes don't stop for stop signs they ride two or more abreast. when they do ride single file in a group they tail gate each other and don't leave any room between themselves so you have to pass the whole group instead of spacing out so you can pass them one at a time.

Bikes need to be ticketed when they don't obey the laws. I also think that roads should be rated for bicycle safety. People should have to qualify to ride a bike on the more treacherous roads and the level of their liability should be increased with the difficulty of the road if they choose to ride on it.
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In Florida, motor vehicles must yeild to bicycles by law.
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Had one almost kill himself

Rode right past stop sign into busy intersection I put my window down and said hey moron
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Let me sum this up for you "Pro" biketards

what's the last thing the bike rider said after being hit by the car before dying....

"But, But, But I had the right of way"


i'm off to the store in my 4 wheeled vehicle at the posted speeds, yall take care.
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You’re supposed to slow down on a blind corner.

There could be a broken down car or an animal on the road.

Stop looking to blame others and take responsibility for yourself.
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Corners on these roads have their own speed limits. Nothing I or (likely) you do daily is as dangerous as driving. I keep the speed limit out of consideration for people behind me.

10+ years out here & not an incident. I take responsibility & AM responsible when I drive.

That said, if I were cycling on these roads, I would worry about the drunk/texting/makeup/eating driver constantly. Does not constitute a "lovely day" in my book.
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I love watching these guys, but they do it in the middle of the night and we know to expect them. I was just out cheering them on a bit ago:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Your bikers should follow the correct traffic laws for bikes in your state. Are the police aware of this problem? Education can help, signs...have a public meeting at the library, those can very fun. Get a bike education group involved. Pass out literature, get the local newspaper involved:

[link to www.bikeleague.org]
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I live in a mountainous area full of narrow 2-way roads that snake thoughout. More often than not, these roads have no posted speed limits (55mph) or are 45mph, and are full of blind hills and corners. It's a beatiful area, and in the good weather, attracts all types of people looking for that "idyllic weekend country drive".

I'm not here to demonize anyone (I took these same drives before I decided to just live here), but I hold a deep & long standing disdain for bicylists.

I mean, specifically, those bicyclists that travel in packs, decked out in expensive gear covered in sponsorship logos (that they're not getting paid to display, quite the opposite!). Biketards?

Now, let me say -- I get the appeal for coming out my way - weather, beauty & a challenging ride with sufficient hills and curves is what I imagine these people dream of, but FFS, someone is going to killed!!

I have had far too many close calls coming around a blind corner to find a pack of these humans, 2 or 3 wide. Even when they're single-file, these roads have no shoulder. If I'm doing 45 in this situation & there happens to be on oncoming car, WTF?

This is not the Tour De France. Going 2+ wide, drifting, this stuff makes me so damn angry.

Either a bicyclist, me, or an oncoming car is going to get killed one of these days.

Minimum speed limits would fix it. I know, good luck with that.

What do ya think, GLP?
 Quoting: Fret Wiz


i bike lots, i hate those fag Tour De France looking gay cunts every mornings
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LOL. I know what you mean. I wear cycling shorts not those tight spandex kind, but for mountain bikes. They still have the padding. I wear a jogging shirt that is bright yellow so I can be seen easily, but it isn't one of those skin tight biking shirts with a bunch of advertisemnts all over it.

Some of them kind of make me sick. For example, I needed a water bottle so when I went to the cycling shop I looked for one. They had water bottles that cost $40. Who is going to spend $40 on a water bottle!!! Only somebody obsessed with an image.

My bike is a steel Biria 7 speed with front and rear racks. It's no race bike. It's a commuting bike that is practical and that doesn't cost two grand. I originally bought it to save gas, but riding can be a little bit addictive and the urge to start shaving time and adding speed can grow to be pretty intense.
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I'm not going to say there aren't bad cyclists out there. I know there are. And before I began riding I hated cyclist's too. However, once I began to ride I started driving differently around them. I don't pass them when there is hardly room. I'll slow down to their painfully slow speed and wait for a chance to pass with room.

A decent cyclist will pay enough attention that if they are causing a backup of traffic they'll pull off the road for a moment. A smart cyclist fears for their life and tries to ride smartly. There are a lot of cyclists (like anybody else) who don't seem to be aware of the very real danger they are in.

Rural roads are relaxing to ride on because traffic is not heavy. It's hard to enjoy yourself mixed up with hundreds of cars. You're too busy trying to stay alive.

In my small city we have bicycle lanes and dedicated cycling trails. This really makes things better for all involved.

One of the worst things a cyclist can do is ride with ear buds blaring music. A cyclist's best defense is the increased sensory perception they are afforded versus driving a vehicle. For example, an aware cyclist will hear you coming from behind a blind corner and they'll get over closer to the side of the road to allow you to pass them with just a slight swerve. They'll also look ahead and if they see oncoming traffic that would prevent you from passing them and if they believe that you may have trouble slowing enough when you come around the corner they'll get off the road entirely. On the other hand hugging the shoulder is dangerous, too. I hug the shoulder more than I should.

A cyclist takes their own life in their hands every time they ride. It's smart to be a defensive and thoughtful rider. I worry enough about it that I always carry my wallet so they can identify my dead body more easily.
 Quoting: Unixlike

Thx, Unix. Well said. I was hoping for some intelligent discourse & not a flame war :)
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What do ya think, GLP?
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I think that you are going to fast and you know it...:yellowbike:

What about people on foot or horses, the roads where made for everyone. It won't kill you do go 25 or 30. But you may well kill someone if you don't.
 Quoting: Judethz


Judy, Judy, Judy....here:

stopping dist of avg vehicle with reaction time added in

from 25mph, 85 feet
35mph, 136ft
45mph, 196ft
55mph, 265ft

even if I'm going 25mph pn a road that is posted at 35mph and come around a "blind curve"...see you at less than 70ft away...how am I gonna stop?
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I just googled braking distances and got 70 feet for 30mph.

And a group of racing cyclists will be moving at between 22mph and 35mh.

And if they are not in your vision as you approach the corner then they will be quite some distance in front of you as you negotiate the corner.

I really don’t see what the problem is.

Too be honest it sounds as though you are looking for it.
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...roads should be rated for bicycle safety. People should have to qualify to ride a bike on the more treacherous roads and the level of their liability should be increased with the difficulty of the road if they choose to ride on it.
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Interesting idea.

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Roads are for cars.

Sidewalks, walking trails, etc. are for walkers.

Bicycle paths* are for bicycles.

*If there are no bicycle paths, leave your bike at home and stop annoying the car drivers and bullying the walkers.
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I live in a mountainous area full of narrow 2-way roads that snake thoughout. More often than not, these roads have no posted speed limits (55mph) or are 45mph, and are full of blind hills and corners. It's a beatiful area, and in the good weather, attracts all types of people looking for that "idyllic weekend country drive".

I'm not here to demonize anyone (I took these same drives before I decided to just live here), but I hold a deep & long standing disdain for bicylists.

I mean, specifically, those bicyclists that travel in packs, decked out in expensive gear covered in sponsorship logos (that they're not getting paid to display, quite the opposite!). Biketards?

Now, let me say -- I get the appeal for coming out my way - weather, beauty & a challenging ride with sufficient hills and curves is what I imagine these people dream of, but FFS, someone is going to killed!!

I have had far too many close calls coming around a blind corner to find a pack of these humans, 2 or 3 wide. Even when they're single-file, these roads have no shoulder. If I'm doing 45 in this situation & there happens to be on oncoming car, WTF?

This is not the Tour De France. Going 2+ wide, drifting, this stuff makes me so damn angry.

Either a bicyclist, me, or an oncoming car is going to get killed one of these days.

Minimum speed limits would fix it. I know, good luck with that.

What do ya think, GLP?
 Quoting: Fret Wiz


EXACT same situation as you, Fret. I live just outside Knoxville, TN. Absolutely beautiful area, but every road is small two-laned, winding, and up and down through hills. There is NO shoulder to the roads, and they act like they own the roads. Then, if you don't see them and say, cut out in front of them, or come around a turn and get too close to them, they get all pissy.

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I would never drive anywhere near a cyclist.

What a joy it is to put others before myself and just be happy to see other people enjoying themselves.

And to slow down for a moment and allow some of that pent up anger and frustration to dissipate rather than taking it out on others.

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