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Even the elect will be deceived in the Last Days... (Opinions)

 
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Both very good answers. I feel like it comes from a rotting within the Church of Christ (which emcompasses ALL).

Just like in the days of the Jesus when he walked among the Jews, the Christians will be SOOOOOOOO caught up in the law, and what the Bible says, and what their pastor says, that they will entirely miss the message of Jesus Christ - that His Spirit is with us always. We know WITHIN what's right and wrong...and when we follow that path, then He reveals Himself.

This is the one I'd put the money on, if I had any. :)
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I disagree with what you are saying. Christians should know God's word. Most don't. We DON'T know WITHIN what's right - that's why we need Jesus. We read his word and follow him, THEN we will know what is right. He had to come to earth to TELL us. WE didn't know. Doctrine IS important. Pastors (most of them) have it wrong though. Only a few are discerning and know what scripture says.
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I don't need a pastor. The Lord is my Shepherd.
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-snip-
The fig is the cursed fruit. It is of the tree of knowledge. It would not grow for the perfect man, and he is telling us to do the same to the fig tree. The fact that the coming of the Son of Man is prior to the fig tree bearing fruit is his intent to take the flock prior to it bearing it.
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You touch on something here that has presented it's self to me as well.

When Adam and Eve knew they were naked, they chose fig leaves...

If anyone has ever had to pick figs, they you KNOW that fig leaves have small hairs onthem that prick you and the sap will burn your skin if you get enough on you...

I can not think of a more 'self destructive'thing to do that to cover your most private parts with these leaves...

However in the vien of reasoning above...Adam and Eve covered themselves with the leaves of the tree from which they had just been eating...the tree of Knowledge...eh?

Covering themselves in the very sin(covering themselves with death)of which they had just partaken of....

God, when he saw them, knew exactly where they had been shopping for clothes...not victoria secret, but 'satan's secret'...stained forever more.

I thank the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit for my new wardrobe...that I am clothed in His righteousness, that I have been given the oil of Joy, that I bear the fruit of the Spirit...

The Spirit and the Bride say COME, Lord Jesus, come.
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It is good when the seed grows. The Judges 9:11 is a clue as well. It is interesting to note that eleven days went missing when the US converted from Julian calendar to Gregorian from September 02 to September 14 in 1752 I believe. 9/11 again.

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Maybe you will take heed of this. From bible.cc KJV Revelation 22:19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
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I have not taken away from scripture because Jesus said that Paul's words are not scripture. hf

"If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book." - Revelation 22:18

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You are on an island with that belief. Peter warns you against it. You are in a distinct minority.
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Both very good answers. I feel like it comes from a rotting within the Church of Christ (which emcompasses ALL).

Just like in the days of the Jesus when he walked among the Jews, the Christians will be SOOOOOOOO caught up in the law, and what the Bible says, and what their pastor says, that they will entirely miss the message of Jesus Christ - that His Spirit is with us always. We know WITHIN what's right and wrong...and when we follow that path, then He reveals Himself.

This is the one I'd put the money on, if I had any. :)
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I disagree with what you are saying. Christians should know God's word. Most don't. We DON'T know WITHIN what's right - that's why we need Jesus. We read his word and follow him, THEN we will know what is right. He had to come to earth to TELL us. WE didn't know. Doctrine IS important. Pastors (most of them) have it wrong though. Only a few are discerning and know what scripture says.
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no, YOU are wrong. the bible didn't exist until quite a long time after people were expected to do what was right:

Isaiah 30:21 And your ears shall hear a word behind you, saying, “This is the way, walk in it,” when you turn to the right or when you turn to the left.

Romans 2:15 They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them

1 John 2:27 But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie—just as it has taught you, abide in him.

1 Timothy 1:5 The aim of our charge is love that issues from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.

1 Timothy 4:1-2 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared,
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This place (the Earth) is Satan's. If it were not, Jesus would have told him, "its mine already" when Satan tempted him.

Therefore, all of the rancid decay of morals we have witnessed to this point will exponentially increase until the Lord our God quashes Satan again!
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Maybe you will take heed of this. From bible.cc KJV Revelation 22:19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
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I have not taken away from scripture because Jesus said that Paul's words are not scripture. hf

"If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book." - Revelation 22:18

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You are on an island with that belief. Peter warns you against it. You are in a distinct minority.
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where did peter warn against it?
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You are on an island with that belief. Peter warns you against it. You are in a distinct minority.
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Very true.

"For narrow is the gate, and difficult the way, that leadeth unto life, and few are they that find it." Matthew 7:14
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We DON'T know WITHIN what's right
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Honestly, I kind of always have. From early on I could tell internally whether something was "off". Looking back, I've always known Him, even when I didn't know it. Absolutely we need Him, to guide and clarify - I personally couldn't live without Him. But He's present even when there's no bible around. He's not limited to working solely through scriptural preaching anymore than He's limited to only showing up in church.
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I've put this to a lot of thought. Who are the elect and how exactly will they be deceived? What constitutes an elect person? And then how will these people, obviously in some kind of respected hierarchy of sorts, be deceived in the Last Days?
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2) That the Church of Christ itself will be so eaten from within because the Christian Right (I've noticed this as a Christian Libertarian myself) is OBSESSED with anger, rancor, the "law", gun-play, etc. I was a big part of that for years, but now I see the idiocy in it - the true followers of Christ need no weapon. They need no food either. Their spirit is their weapon and "manna" is their food(?). REMEMBER, THEORIES.


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1 Timothy 4:1-2 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared,
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You’re told what it will be. In Matthew 24:22-25, Jesus warns the deciples:

“If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you ahead of time.”

The elect are those that have their faith in the true messiah – Jesus Christ. There will be others that claim to be the messiah. The two that will deceive the world are the Antichrist and his false prophet. They will perform great signs and wonders and many will follow them, and if possible, even the elect.
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Maybe you will take heed of this. From bible.cc KJV Revelation 22:19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
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I have not taken away from scripture because Jesus said that Paul's words are not scripture. hf

"If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book." - Revelation 22:18

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You are on an island with that belief. Peter warns you against it. You are in a distinct minority.
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The bottom line is the fruit, though. Lots of people differ in their doctrinal stances and can still function. I wouldn't be worried for our friend here.

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Sheep will be sheep.
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We DON'T know WITHIN what's right
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Honestly, I kind of always have. From early on I could tell internally whether something was "off". Looking back, I've always known Him, even when I didn't know it. Absolutely we need Him, to guide and clarify - I personally couldn't live without Him. But He's present even when there's no bible around. He's not limited to working solely through scriptural preaching anymore than He's limited to only showing up in church.
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you are indwelt by the spirit of truth

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Maybe you will take heed of this. From bible.cc KJV Revelation 22:19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
 Quoting: Jesus Christ is the way
I have not taken away from scripture because Jesus said that Paul's words are not scripture. hf

"If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book." - Revelation 22:18

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You are on an island with that belief. Peter warns you against it. You are in a distinct minority.
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where did peter warn against it?
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From biblegateway.com 2Peter 3 NIV14 So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. 15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
This passage clearly states that letters of Paul are from the wisdom of God. They are compared to mean as scriptural "as they do the other Scriptures" 17 Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position. 18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.

Now look at the authority given to Peter by Christ: from biblegateway.com Matthew 16:17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. 18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”
How much more authority can Christ give than that? And... are we to consider what Peter compares to "as" scripture and containing the wisdom of God as lawless?

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I think the " elect" are already deceived !! Walk into any church and ask a random soul , what can you tell me about the Federal Reserve?

The Church " Waking " up is the last hope America has!

I'm not holding my breathe!
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I believe the title of the thread should read " Even the elect will DECEIVE, in the last days ". Really fits the 'events' now, doesn't it ?
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I have not taken away from scripture because Jesus said that Paul's words are not scripture. hf

"If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book." - Revelation 22:18

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You are on an island with that belief. Peter warns you against it. You are in a distinct minority.
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where did peter warn against it?
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From biblegateway.com 2Peter 3 NIV14 So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. 15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
This passage clearly states that letters of Paul are from the wisdom of God. They are compared to mean as scriptural "as they do the other Scriptures" 17 Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position. 18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.

Now look at the authority given to Peter by Christ: from biblegateway.com Matthew 16:17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. 18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”
How much more authority can Christ give than that? And... are we to consider what Peter compares to "as" scripture and containing the wisdom of God as lawless?
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Spot on!
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How much more authority can Christ give than that?
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the law engraved in the heart of those true in christ

always prevails upon the logical reasoning of the mind trying to find the Word of Christ in worldly written letters
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It's very obvious the majority are NOT the elect (chosen) for they are a remnant (small number of people). These are only chosen by God Himself and no other way. The elect shall nit be deceived because they know the Word/Logos. They spiritually can discern all things.
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Now look at the authority given to Peter by Christ: from biblegateway.com Matthew 16:17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. 18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”
How much more authority can Christ give than that?
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Peter himself is not the foundation - The Rock (petra) upon which Jesus builds His people is the revelation that He's Christ. Peter (petros) is a little rock, like a brick added to the structure, as are we. These are the living stones of 1 Peter 2. Peter became suitable material for the project when Jesus was revealed to Him (not by flesh & blood, but by the Father, which is a pretty important point).
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How much more authority can Christ give than that?
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the law engraved in the heart of those true in christ

always prevails upon the logical reasoning of the mind trying to find the Word of Christ in worldly written letters
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You notice Christ called him Peter after he was told Christ was the Son of God - not by flesh and blood but by spirit. That is a clear indication the name "Peter" is a Book of Life" name as well as the other apostles names on the walls of New Jerusalem. For him to have the ability to loose or bind things in Heaven as well as the Keys to the Kingdom, he must have the spirit because flesh and blood will not pass through Heaven's gates.
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I Corinth.2:14-15 show only those with God's Spirit (Holy Spirit) can discern all things, period.
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Now look at the authority given to Peter by Christ: from biblegateway.com Matthew 16:17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. 18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”
How much more authority can Christ give than that?
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Peter himself is not the foundation - The Rock (petra) upon which Jesus builds His people is the revelation that He's Christ. Peter (petros) is a little rock, like a brick added to the structure, as are we. These are the living stones of 1 Peter 2. Peter became suitable material for the project when Jesus was revealed to Him (not by flesh & blood, but by the Father, which is a pretty important point).
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I posted this in another thread.

From bible.cc Matthew 16 Peter's Confession of Christ


13When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? 14And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. 15He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. 18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 20Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

Now see what God is. John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Now see what we are to be if your in Christ. 1Corinthians15:The Resurrection Body

35But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?” 36How foolish! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37When you sow, you do not plant the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or of something else. 38But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body. 39Not all flesh is the same: People have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another. 40There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another. 41The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.

42So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.

If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”f ; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven. 48As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. 49And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall weg bear the image of the heavenly man.

50I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”

55“Where, O death, is your victory?
Where, O death, is your sting?”
56The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

58Therefore, my dear brothers and sisters, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.

Now look at this. From biblegateway.com KJV Matthew 14:25 Shortly before dawn Jesus went out to them, walking on the lake. 26 When the disciples saw him walking on the lake, they were terrified. “It’s a ghost,” they said, and cried out in fear.

27 But Jesus immediately said to them: “Take courage! It is I. Don’t be afraid.”

28 “Lord, if it’s you,” Peter replied, “tell me to come to you on the water.”

29 “Come,” he said.

Then Peter got down out of the boat, walked on the water and came toward Jesus. 30 But when he saw the wind, he was afraid and, beginning to sink, cried out, “Lord, save me!”

31 Immediately Jesus reached out his hand and caught him. “You of little faith,” he said, “why did you doubt?”

32 And when they climbed into the boat, the wind died down. 33 Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”

What can we derive from these passages?
1. God is a spirit
2. Our new incorruptible body is a spirit form
3. Peter, as a disciple, was the first to touch the new body in spirit and his eternal name was known as Peter as well.
4. We know from other posts by biblical confirmation that God is the rock.
5. We know that Christ was walking on something that was solid other than water. Peter did as well for a brief instant. Why? Because, he was touching the spirit world of the one, true God.
6. Because Peter touched the spirit, he is of "the rock". He stood and stands on solid ground.
7. Truth is derived from the spirit of God; so, Peter was able to bind or loose what is of Heaven and earth and had the keys to the Kingdom by authority from Christ. He is of the rock, the foundation. Now look at this passage. Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Christ called him Peter for his Book of life name.

The reason Christ took the disciples to Caesar Philippi was for them to know he was the truth, the life and the way, and... the Son of the one, true living God. The church is a church of Spirit, and Peter was the first to find this by testament here and walking on water for a brief instant. Paul knows what Peter knows. We should reject the natural. It is corruptible and without a name in the Book of Life. It is subject to the deception of the antichrist. The Caesar Philippi episode was important to show the disciples that what the lineage of cain worshipped through various pagan groups and the fallen tribe of dan was the pan/baal/baphomet entity at the gates of hades which gives rise to the corruptible beast lifeforce pushed into man.

We know cain was cursed to walk on shaky ground. We know when there is Holiness of God there is also a dark way to oppose it. Words such as rolling rock, rollingstones, and rock n roll are indications to reject the solid ground/foundation of God.
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How much more authority can Christ give than that?
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the law engraved in the heart of those true in christ

always prevails upon the logical reasoning of the mind trying to find the Word of Christ in worldly written letters
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You notice Christ called him Peter after he was told Christ was the Son of God - not by flesh and blood but by spirit. That is a clear indication the name "Peter" is a Book of Life" name as well as the other apostles names on the walls of New Jerusalem. For him to have the ability to loose or bind things in Heaven as well as the Keys to the Kingdom, he must have the spirit because flesh and blood will not pass through Heaven's gates.
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i bear the name of andrei
and was born in the land baptized by him
and i do love my brother peter
i already gave my life in flesh for christ in spirit
but for paul i cannot bear witness that he was true in christ
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the elect are those who have disengaged from the system

MONEY MINDED, RELIGIOUS MINDED, GOVERNMENT MINDED people are not the elect. they belong to the system. THEY BELONG TO THE WORLD. the elect that will be deceived are people like david wilcock, george kavassilas, and even David dIcke...why??? they are financially motivated (MONEY MINDED)

those that have accepted the name that government gives them (a citizen), or those who accept the name religions give them (christians) and those who believe money is true source of wealth...these are the non elect.

many humans are close, but they still work within the system.
and because they are in the system...they have no way of understanding something outside the system.

the elcet are those who have no labels, those that are capable of thinking outside the system, and thinking outside the system is living outside the system.

actually those who carry the message about God, and Christ, or even allah...those people are actually the elect that took the bait, and they are the deceivers.

its sound crazy huh???...but believe whatever you choose...time will reveal to all humanity what and how "God" really is.
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the elect are those who have disengaged from the system

MONEY MINDED, RELIGIOUS MINDED, GOVERNMENT MINDED people are not the elect. they belong to the system. THEY BELONG TO THE WORLD. the elect that will be deceived are people like david wilcock, george kavassilas, and even David dIcke...why??? they are financially motivated (MONEY MINDED)

those that have accepted the name that government gives them (a citizen), or those who accept the name religions give them (christians) and those who believe money is true source of wealth...these are the non elect.

many humans are close, but they still work within the system.
and because they are in the system...they have no way of understanding something outside the system.

the elcet are those who have no labels, those that are capable of thinking outside the system, and thinking outside the system is living outside the system.

actually those who carry the message about God, and Christ, or even allah...those people are actually the elect that took the bait, and they are the deceivers.

its sound crazy huh???...but believe whatever you choose...time will reveal to all humanity what and how "God" really is.
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'sell all you have, and follow me'

and what is more to be than a humble son of man?

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I've put this to a lot of thought! You're a nut.
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Could you give the scriptural passage you are referring to? I have a Catholic bible, and I don't believe it uses the term 'elect', but I'd like to be clear on what we're talking about before responding.
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You do not have the holy bible but rather a satanic bible... No offense
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LOL!
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I've put this to a lot of thought. Who are the elect and how exactly will they be deceived? What constitutes an elect person? And then how will these people, obviously in some kind of respected hierarchy of sorts, be deceived in the Last Days?

A few ideas for me have been:

1) False flag alien ships that come to "save us" but which really take us to labor/indoctrination/slaughter camps.

2) That the Church of Christ itself will be so eaten from within because the Christian Right (I've noticed this as a Christian Libertarian myself) is OBSESSED with anger, rancor, the "law", gun-play, etc. I was a big part of that for years, but now I see the idiocy in it - the true followers of Christ need no weapon. They need no food either. Their spirit is their weapon and "manna" is their food(?). REMEMBER, THEORIES.

3) Somehow the Pope will become a world leader that will somehow turn us from self-destruction and a world government will be organized under his reign. Then he'll be killed and the new head will be the anti-Christ. Those who worshipped the first will now be under subjection to the second.

THOUGHTS?

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Simple. The elect are the ones that will not be deceived.
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I've put this to a lot of thought. Who are the elect and how exactly will they be deceived? What constitutes an elect person? And then how will these people, obviously in some kind of respected hierarchy of sorts, be deceived in the Last Days?

A few ideas for me have been:

1) False flag alien ships that come to "save us" but which really take us to labor/indoctrination/slaughter camps.

2) That the Church of Christ itself will be so eaten from within because the Christian Right (I've noticed this as a Christian Libertarian myself) is OBSESSED with anger, rancor, the "law", gun-play, etc. I was a big part of that for years, but now I see the idiocy in it - the true followers of Christ need no weapon. They need no food either. Their spirit is their weapon and "manna" is their food(?). REMEMBER, THEORIES.

3) Somehow the Pope will become a world leader that will somehow turn us from self-destruction and a world government will be organized under his reign. Then he'll be killed and the new head will be the anti-Christ. Those who worshipped the first will now be under subjection to the second.

THOUGHTS?

kimmajortom
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Simple. The elect are the ones that will not be deceived.

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