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With All that I've been unearthing lately it came to me to start a 'Pandemic Preps' Thread. Perhaps it can help and everyone can collect what could be life saving before items become unavailable.
Please 'Chime In' I know there is a wealth of knowledge in all of you! Definitely a God Wink for me to do something positive with all the info in my head and what I've been unmasking.
Right off the bat we should have Colloidal Silver, Turmeric, oregano oil, vitamin D, garlic, all good for reducing infection inflammation on and interfere with the virus' ability to reproduce. Skullcap and Resveratrol (red wine) are purported to be the natural equal to Tami-flu weaker but readily available right now. Will have to break it down per disease because some herbals will trigger the opposite effect killing one faster and that's not good!
Just thinking after reading how the Spanish Flu started in the US [link to www.flu.gov]
and finding this
There are the facts and there is the truth. Facts are often debated, because facts depend on how you
calculate them. Truth is often ignored because it is often unpopular and usually unpleasant. Press
coverage about the coming unique H1N1 influenza surge has focused thus far on the facts -- how many
people will get sick and how many will die, how many vaccine inoculations will be available and how
many shots will be needed to protect someone from this virus.
Thus far, most coverage, and the government announcements on which the coverage is based, have
ignored two unpleasant truths -- first, that it is unlikely the health care delivery system will be able to
respond to a significant flu wave and second, that the economy is likely to be severely affected by a
widespread and long-lasting flu surge.
Flu - Everyone is at Risk
"Bird flu, a human pandemic is unavoidable and will take place sooner or later", stated Dr. David
Nabarro, United Nations World Health Organization Coordinator for avian and human influenza.
He estimated as many as 150 million potential deaths worldwide. Many experts believe that could
be a conservative estimate.
According to Dr. Nabarro: "Once a flu pandemic starts, everyone will be at risk of getting pandemic
flu, because no one has natural immunity to the virus. However, certain groups may be at greater
risk of dying than others. There are strong indications that the coming bird-flu pandemic may be
similar to the influenza pandemic of 1918 and, if so, healthy adults would be most at risk of dying,
along with pregnant women and the elderly"
This little book could save your life!
[link to www.provident-living-today.com]

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10 Things You Should Know:

1. Pandemic influenza is different from avian influenza.
Avian influenza refers to a large group of different influenza viruses that primarily affect birds. On rare occasions, these bird viruses adapt the ability to infect humans. At that point, it's no longer a bird virus, but a human influenza virus. An influenza pandemic happens when a new virus subtype emerges which has not previously circulated in humans (therefore people generally have no immunity to it). The avian virus H5N1 is such a case. It might ultimately adapt into a strain that is contagious among humans.

2. Influenza pandemics are recurring events.
Influenza pandemics are somewhat rare but they do happen from time to time. Three pandemics occurred in the last century: the great "Spanish influenza" in 1918
and lesser pandemics in 1957 and 1968.

3. The world may be on the brink of another pandemic.
Health experts have been monitoring the H5N1 strain - a new and extremely severe influenza virus – for almost eight years. The H5N1 strain first infected humans in
Hong Kong in 1997, causing 18 cases, including six deaths. Since mid-2003, this virus has caused the largest and most severe outbreaks in poultry ever seen. Since December 2003, human infections have again been occurring - first in Asian
countries (Cambodia, Indonesia, Thailand, VietNam, and China) and more recently in Turkey and Iraq.
As of February 6, 2006, there have been 165 documented human cases, including 88 deaths. Fortunately, the H5N1 virus does not jump easily from birds to humans or spread readily and sustainably among humans. Should H5N1 evolve to a form as contagious as normal influenza, a pandemic could begin.

4. All countries will be affected by any pandemic
Once a fully contagious virus emerges, its global spread is considered inevitable. Countries might, through measures such as border closures and travel restrictions, delay arrival of the virus, but cannot stop it.

5. Widespread illness will occur.
Because most people will have no immunity to the pandemic virus, infection and illness rates are expected to be higher than during seasonal epidemics of normal influenza. It is estimated that a substantial percentage of the world’s population will require some form of medical care. Few countries have the staff, facilities, equipment, and hospital beds needed to cope with large numbers of people who suddenly fall ill.

6. Medical supplies will be inadequate.
Supplies of vaccines and antiviral drugs – the two most important medical interventions for reducing illness and deaths during a pandemic – will be inadequate in all countries at the start of a pandemic and for many months thereafter. Inadequate supplies of vaccines are of particular concern, as vaccines are considered the first line of defense for protecting populations. On present trends, many developing countries will have no access to vaccines throughout the duration
of a pandemic.

7. Large numbers of deaths will occur.
Historically, the number of deaths during a pandemic has varied greatly. Because of variable factors, accurate predictions of mortality cannot be made before the
pandemic virus emerges and begins to spread. All estimates are purely speculative. For planning purposes, WHO has used a relatively conservative estimate – from 2 million to 7.4 million deaths – based on the comparatively mild 1957 pandemic. A more virulent virus (closer to the one seen in 1918 would cause a much higher number of deaths, according to estimates.)

8. Economic and social disruption will be great.
High rates of illness and worker absenteeism are expected during a flu pandemic, and these will contribute to social and economic disruption. Such disruptions could be temporary, but may be amplified in today’s closely interrelated and interdependent systems of trade and
commerce. Social disruption may be greatest when rates of absenteeism impair essential services, such as power, transportation, and communications. Past pandemics have spread globally in two and sometimes three waves. Not all parts of the world or of a single country are expected to be severely affected at the same time.

9. Every country must be prepared.
WHO has issued a series of recommended strategic actions for responding to the influenza pandemic threat. The actions are designed to provide different layers of defense that reflect the complexity of the evolving situation.

10. WHO will alert the world when the pandemic threat increases.
WHO works closely with ministries of health and various public health organizations to support countries' surveillance of circulating influenza strains. A sensitive
surveillance system that can detect emerging influenza strains is essential for the rapid detection of a pandemic virus. To facilitate pandemic preparedness planning, six distinct alert phases have been defined. Each phase defines roles for governments, industry, and WHO.
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hi Thanks!
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You're welcome. Great forum, if you make an account you can follow discussions about genome sequencing, etc. (might be open to general public now, not sure.)

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bump for good info!
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Great thread AK, will be back later to chime in when I get home! Peace sis!

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I also have grapefruit seed oil on hand. It also doesn't hurt to buy a case of N95 facial masks, gloves and a nebulizer to breath in the colloidal silver.

When SARS hit Toronto a while back , I had friends who were quarantined because they had visited family in the same hospital as people who were there with SARS. It was a pain in the ass just for them to get groceries. Be prepared now.

With H7N9 and the new SARS like flu that is going on, who knows what can happen.

I am trying to convince hubby to buy a Colloidal Silver making machine. We use Colloidal Silver a lot and it gets damn expensive buying it.

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AKO,

I'm sure this thread will grow like the magic beans in Jack And the Beanstalk. ha ha.

Myself? I'm not afraid of the flu, but I have taken some precautions.

1. Vitamin C. I have several bottles, and I also have the C in cough drop [ lozenges ] form. They'll come in handy if someone has a sore throat.

2. I have stocked frozen orange, limeaid, and pineapple juices. I also have bottles of water stocked just for the juices.

3. I have an assortment of herbal teas and canned and boxed soups.

4. I am a master herbalist, so I have cabinets full of dried herbs, examples: peppermint for stomach ailments, white willow bark for fever, dill for gas and bloating.

5. I do have Tylenol in case someone wants it.

6. I keep Bragg apple cider vinegar in spray bottles for wiping counters, floors, etc. Bragg is the "whole mother." Raw-unflitered acv. I can also mix a teaspoon in a glass of water to boost my immune system. Bragg is gluten free.

7. I make anti-bacterial wipes for when I go out shopping. I pour 90% alcohol on damp paper towels, fold them over and store them in a plastic bags. I wipe shopping carts, door knobs, handles, etc with the wipes. You can also use 80% vodka. That will kill bacteria as well.
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With All that I've been unearthing lately it came to me to start a 'Pandemic Preps' Thread. Perhaps it can help and everyone can collect what could be life saving before items become unavailable.
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You sound like John at Patmos when he decided to write his Revelation.
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Thank You All So Much! This is the kind of information we need hf
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First Aid: Oral Rehydration Solution (ORS)
[link to blog.emergencyoutdoors.com]

Emergency First Aid: Guide to Facemasks and Respirators
[link to blog.emergencyoutdoors.com]

10 Holistic Cold & Flu Remedies
[link to blog.emergencyoutdoors.com]
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I'm not sure I agree with your #6.

Snce when have anti-virals done much? Statistics show they "may" reduce the number of days of sickness, but antivirals like tamiflu also have serious side-effects.

These drugs are just another moneymaker and possibly make you worse in the long run.

Vaccines, are not the answer to a sudden event. It takes time to make new vacs and it is debatable whether flu vac really work that well.

Hope you are not a Pharma rep.
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Facts about Avian Influenza
Key Facts About Avian Influenza (Bird Flu) and Avian Influenza A (H5N1) Virus
This fact sheet provides general information about bird flu and information about one type of bird flu, called
avian influenza A (H5N1) that is infecting birds in Asia and has infected some humans. Also see the Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) on the World Health Organization (WHO) website. [link to www.who.int]

What is avian influenza (bird flu)?
Bird flu is an infection caused by avian (bird) influenza (flu) viruses. These flu viruses occur naturally among
birds. Wild birds worldwide carry the viruses in their intestines, but usually do not get sick from them.
However, bird flu is very contagious among birds and can make some domesticated birds, including chickens, ducks, and turkeys, very sick and kill them.

Do bird flu viruses infect humans?
Bird flu viruses do not usually infect humans, but several cases of human infection with bird flu viruses have occurred since 1997.

How are bird flu viruses different from human flu viruses?
There are many different subtypes of type A influenza viruses. These subtypes differ because of certain
proteins on the surface of the influenza A virus (hemagglutinin [HA] and neuraminidase [NA] proteins).
There are 16 different HA subtypes and 9 different NA subtypes of flu A viruses. Many different combinations of HA and NA proteins are possible. Each combination is a different subtype. All known subtypes of flu A viruses can be found in birds. However, when we talk about "bird flu" viruses, we are referring to influenza A subtypes chiefly found in birds. They do not usually infect humans, even though we know they can. When we talk about "human flu viruses" we are referring to those subtypes that occur
widely in humans. There are only three known A subtypes of human flu viruses (H1N1, H1N2, and H3N2); it is likely that some genetic parts of current human influenza A viruses came from birds originally. Influenza A viruses are constantly changing, and they might adapt over time to infect and spread among humans.

What are the symptoms of bird flu in humans?
Symptoms of bird flu in humans have ranged from typical flu-like symptoms (fever, cough, sore throat and muscle aches) to eye infections, pneumonia, severe respiratory diseases (such as acute respiratory distress), and other severe and life-threatening complications. The symptoms of bird flu may depend on which virus caused the infection.

How does bird flu spread?
Infected birds shed flu virus in their saliva, nasal secretions, and feces. Susceptible birds become infected
when they have contact with contaminated excretions or surfaces that are contaminated with excretions. It
is believed that most cases of bird flu infection in humans have resulted from contact with infected poultry or contaminated surfaces. The spread of avian influenza viruses from one ill person to another has been reported very rarely, and transmission has not been observed to continue beyond one person.

How is bird flu in humans treated?
Studies done in laboratories suggest that the prescription medicines approved for human flu viruses should work in preventing bird flu infection in humans. However, flu viruses can become resistant to these drugs, so these medications may not always work. Additional studies are needed to prove the effectiveness of these medicines.

What is an avian influenza A (H5N1) virus?
Influenza A (H5N1) virus – also called "H5N1 virus" – is an influenza A virus subtype that occurs mainly in
birds. Like all bird flu viruses, H5N1 virus circulates among birds worldwide, is very contagious among birds,
and can be deadly. Commonly called “Bird Flu”

What is the H5N1 bird flu that has been reported in Asia and Europe?
Outbreaks of influenza H5N1 occurred among poultry in eight countries in Asia (Cambodia, China, Indonesia, Japan, Laos, South Korea, Thailand, and Vietnam) during late 2003 and early 2004. At that time, more than 100 million birds in the affected countries either died from the disease or were killed in order to try to control the outbreak. By March 2004, the outbreak was reported to be under control. Beginning in late June 2004, however, new outbreaks of influenza H5N1 among poultry were reported by several
countries in Asia (Cambodia, China [ Tibet ], Indonesia, Kazakhstan, Malaysia, Mongolia, Russia [ Siberia ],
Thailand, and Vietnam). It is believed that these outbreaks are ongoing. Most recently, influenza H5N1 has been reported among poultry in Turkey and Romania. Human infections of influenza A (H5N1) have been reported in Cambodia, Indonesia, Thailand, and Vietnam.

What is the risk to humans from the Swine Flu virus in Asia and Europe?
This information appeared Logan, Utah Herald Journal Friday July 3, 2009, “Health officials meet as swine flu spreads
further” CANCUN, Mexico (AP) Swine flu is running wild in the Southern Hemisphere and is spreading rapidly through Europe, with Britain projected to reach 100,000 daily cases by the end of August. The virus is even showing signs of rebounding in Mexico. World Health Organization Director-General Dr. Margret Chan and health ministers from around
the globe huddled Thursday in Cancun for a two-day summit to design strategies for battling the pandemic. Nations attending include United States, Canada, China, Britain and Brazil. “As we see today, with well over 100 countries reporting cases, once a fully fit pandemic virus emerges, its further international spread is unstoppable,” Chan said during opening remarks.

How is infection with H5N1 virus in humans treated?
The H5N1 virus currently infecting birds in Asia that has caused human illness and death is resistant to amantadine and rimantadine, two antiviral medications commonly used for influenza. Two other antiviral medications, oseltamavir and zanamavir, would probably work to treat flu caused by the H5N1 virus, but additional studies still need to be done to prove their effectiveness.

Is there a vaccine to protect humans from H5N1 virus?
There currently is no commercially available vaccine to protect humans against the H5N1 virus that is being
seen in Asia and Europe. However, vaccine development efforts are taking place. Research studies to test a 11
vaccine to protect humans against H5N1 virus began in April 2005, and a series of clinical trials is underway.
For more information about the H5N1 vaccine development process, visit the National Institutes of Health
website. [link to nih.gov]
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10 Things You Should Know:

1. Pandemic influenza is different from avian influenza.
Avian influenza refers to a large group of different influenza viruses that primarily affect birds. On rare occasions, these bird viruses adapt the ability to infect humans. At that point, it's no longer a bird virus, but a human influenza virus. An influenza pandemic happens when a new virus subtype emerges which has not previously circulated in humans (therefore people generally have no immunity to it). The avian virus H5N1 is such a case. It might ultimately adapt into a strain that is contagious among humans.

2. Influenza pandemics are recurring events.
Influenza pandemics are somewhat rare but they do happen from time to time. Three pandemics occurred in the last century: the great "Spanish influenza" in 1918
and lesser pandemics in 1957 and 1968.

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I'd like to add that the deadly influenza viruses are from the avian strains. This is because they are typically far removed from humans, and much harder to transmit successfully to humans. Thus, when one does transmit to humans, it becomes utterly devastating. This happened in 1918. The virus had not circulated at all in humans before, and nobody had an immunity. The lucky few who were relatively unharmed had mutations to resist the strain. However, many people who had the same amino acid sequence as the virus were gonners, no matter the preparation. That being said, there are a few things to do to prepare, even if you are an unlucky bunch. The number one thing to remember though is most fungi, viruses, and bacteria cannot survive in a basic pH.
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Thank You All So Much! This is the kind of information we need hf
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Read for interesting historical background information Daniel Defoe's Journal of the Plague at London. You'll find it easily with Google, it's not an overly long read and it will give you a good feel on how people at that time coped with the plague which made so many victims, and how it evolved.

As for essential oils etc. - I already mentioned this somewher else recently - in France and other European countries when the plague hit Europe in the middle ages, the pharmacists or medics of the time, in order to be able to walk around in the streets amongst the dead and the sick, bore some sort of gas masks attached to their faces which were filled with aromatic herbs. They also used burning herbs (fumigations) for cleansing the air and getting it rid of the germs (although of course the existence of actual germs wasn't known yet).
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Another interesting little fact which Jean Valnet, French author of a book about aromatherapy published in the 50s, noted was that a small opened bottle of pure natural lavender oil, put in a room where someone is lying ill (and where there is some air flow), will clean the air to the effect that, after a few hours, the count of germs in the air will have lowered markedly, and they will have gone completely after 24 hours (no germs anymore at all). Such is the germ killing power of essential oil, according to Valnet's observations.

Why is aromatherapy not more generally known and applied ? Beats me. Maybe some pharma companies think people should use their products instead. Just these days in Belgium a famous case has been publicized in the papers in Belgium about a little boy who can't survive without an extremely costly drug called Solutrin or Solutron (I think, not sure). They research hand manufacture drugs which they claim save lives but which only rich people can afford.
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If you are concerned about what to consume in regards to an outbreak of H1N1 and derivatives, then eat Kimchi. A natural combative food. Why? It has an active bacteria called Leuconostoc Citreum. During the outbreak in Asia the Koreans could meet the demand for tnis incredible food.
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I'm not sure I agree with your #6.

Snce when have anti-virals done much? Statistics show they "may" reduce the number of days of sickness, but antivirals like tamiflu also have serious side-effects.

These drugs are just another moneymaker and possibly make you worse in the long run.

Vaccines, are not the answer to a sudden event. It takes time to make new vacs and it is debatable whether flu vac really work that well.

Hope you are not a Pharma rep.
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LOL No I'm not a Pharm Rep That information came from the pandemic booklet.

I'm just trying to put all the info available on this thread That's why I asked everyone for their input to make this a great information tool. Thank You for your input. hf
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Of course not all essential (aromatic) oils are equally adequate for the purpose of killing germs and bacteria, in or outside the body.

Lavender is reputed to be one of the best. So is lemon, for cleaning the air (I think) - not to be applied on the skin however.
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And to add-make sure the Kimchi is produced and stored in quality H20.
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Thank You All So Much! This is the kind of information we need hf
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Read for interesting historical background information Daniel Defoe's Journal of the Plague at London. You'll find it easily with Google, it's not an overly long read and it will give you a good feel on how people at that time coped with the plague which made so many victims, and how it evolved.

As for essential oils etc. - I already mentioned this somewher else recently - in France and other European countries when the plague hit Europe in the middle ages, the pharmacists or medics of the time, in order to be able to walk around in the streets amongst the dead and the sick, bore some sort of gas masks attached to their faces which were filled with aromatic herbs. They also used burning herbs (fumigations) for cleansing the air and getting it rid of the germs (although of course the existence of actual germs wasn't known yet).
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Yes and I read women had necklaces and lockets they wore with aromatic oils in them that they opened and inhaled when out on the streets so they didn't smell the stench of death.
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Here's an interesting site.

Strange that the people of the Middle Ages thought birds gave them the plague.

Plague Mask- Alchemipedia

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What does CDC recommend regarding the H5N1 bird flu /H5N1 Swine Flu outbreak?
In February 2004, CDC provided U.S. health departments with recommendations for enhanced surveillance ("detection") in the U.S. of avian influenza A (H5N1). Follow-up messages, distributed via the Health Alert Network, were sent to the health departments on August 12, 2004, and February 4, 2005; both alerts reminded health departments about how to detect (domestic surveillance), diagnose, and prevent the
spread of avian influenza A (H5N1).

Avian Flu Symptoms
• general flu like symptoms
• fever
• cough
• shortness of breath to acute
respiratory distress
• sore throat
• muscle aches
• eye infections
• pneumonia
• diarrhea and abdominal pain
• nausea and vomiting
• bleeding of nose and gums
Additional Swine Flu Symptoms
• extreme fatigue
• brain fog
• cytokine storm
Flu Recommendations
• strict personal hygiene practices
• use N-95 (or better) mask and gloves for at a distance (casual) contact
• keep 20' distance even with mask and gloves
• full face gas mask with bio-filter, gown and gloves for personal contact
• dedicated washable instruments for personal care
• isolation room for infected persons
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Flu “Cures”
In many diseases (including H5N1 in humans), a "cytokine storm" is triggered by the infection. Cytokines are hormones that regulate the immune system. When released at the right time in the proper amounts, cytokines can help fight infections and regulate processes throughout the
body. Most of the research into the H5N1 virus suggests that this virus actually over stimulates the immune system, and that the body kills itself while trying to eliminate the avian flu infection.
For this aspect of the virus I have on hand Turmeric, a well documented herbal antiinflammatory and a formula called Immucalm. Immucalm is made simply of two herbs,
Astragulas and Marshmallow. Astragulas alone stimulates the immune system, but the combination calms it. Immucalm is used very successfully for allergies.
Absorption of the curcumin in Turmeric can be increased when co-administered with piperine (a compound found in various species of pepper, including the black pepper found in most
kitchens). I keep whole pepper corns and will grind it fresh when needed. The cytokines also increase production of reactive oxygen compounds (free radicals) that further the
inflammation. Increasing our anti-oxidant intake now and keeping it at a high level will increase our chances of being able to fight this virus if infected.
Fruits and vegetables with intense color are high in anti-oxidants, as are many herbal teas.
Some of the most notable are blueberry, bilberry, chokeberry, green tea and rooibus tea.
There has been much talk about Tamiflu and the possibility that it can curb the reproduction of
the H5N1 virus. Tamiflu works by inhibiting an enzyme called neuraminidase. There are natural 13 neuramidase inhibitors found in plants: the most widely studied is a compound called 5,7,4'-trihydroxy-8-methoxyflavone, which is found in the herb Scutellaria (commonly called skullcap).
Another neuraminidase inhibitor is the chemical resveratrol. In addition to inhibiting neuraminidase, resveratrol also sends a message to cells to stop manufacturing viruses.
Resveratrol is a compound found in large amounts in red wine, grape seeds, and Japanese knotweed. James Duke's site lists grape leaves as the highest source of resveratrol.
There are many good anti-viral herbs to choose from to add to the above potential therapies. I will list only a few of my favorites.
Garlic (fresh or oil), St. Johns Wort, Tea tree oil as a steam inhaler or mixed with a carrier oil and rubbed into the lower chest and back).
There are many sites on the web that offer alternative therapy for H5N1. Here is one of the best I have seen. It has citations and numerous links.
[link to www.med-owl.com] (website no longer live)

This lists substances to avoid when dealing with H5N1 is from the Bird Flu Survival Guide.
[link to www.bird-flu-influenza.com]

The following substances may be best to avoid during a H5N1 pandemic:
Elderberry juice (Sambucal) - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. This substance is
very effective against the common flu but may not be desirable for the H5N1 Bird Flu virus.
Increases in these cytokines may trigger a lethal cytokine storm.
Micro Algae (Chlorella and Spirulina) - Increases production of cytokine TNF-a
Honey - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6
Chocolate - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6
Echinacea - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. Although it is often used for
normal flu, research shows that it may increase the chance of cytokine storms for H5N1
Kimchi - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6
Dairy products & Bananas - These foods increase mucous production

Herbs for H5N1 by Marcy G. Coles – Master Herbalist (M.H.) (used with permission)
I have been researching H5N1 for a few months. My area of interest is prevention and treating with
herbs. Of course quarantine and other preventive measures, such as masks and gloves if exposure
cannot be helped, are common sense.
In many diseases (including H5N1 in humans), a "cytokine storm" is triggered by the infection. Cytokines
are hormones that regulate the immune system. When released at the right time in the proper
amounts, cytokines can help fight infections and regulate processes throughout the body. Most of the
research into the H5N1 virus suggests that this virus actually over stimulates the immune system, and
that the body kills itself while trying to eliminate the avian flu infection. For this aspect of the virus I
have on hand Turmeric (also available in essential oils), a well documented herbal anti-inflammatory
and a formula called Immucalm. Immucalm is made simply of two herbs, Astragulas and Marshmallow.
Astragulas alone stimulates the immune system, but the combination calms it. Immucalm is used very
successfully for allergies. 14
Absorption of the curcumin in Turmeric can be increased when co-administered with piperine (a
compound found in various species of pepper, including the black pepper found in most kitchens). I keep
whole black pepper corns and will grind it fresh when needed.
The cytokines also increase production of reactive oxygen compounds (free radicals) that further the
inflammation. Increasing our anti-oxidant intake now and keeping it at a high level will increase our
chances of being able to fight this virus if infected. Fruits and vegetables with intense color are high in
anti-oxidants, as are many herbal teas. Some of the most notable are blueberry, bilberry, chokeberry,
green tea and rooibus tea.
There has been much talk about Tamiflu and the possibility that it can curb the reproduction of the H5N1 virus. Tamiflu works by inhibiting an enzyme called neuraminidase. There are natural neuramidase inhibitors found in plants: the most widely studied is a compound called 5,7,4'-trihydroxy-8-
methoxyflavone, which is found in the herb Scutellaria (commonly called skullcap). Another neuraminidase inhibitor is the chemical resveratrol. In addition to inhibiting neuraminidase, resveratrol also sends a message to cells to stop manufacturing viruses. Resveratrol is a compound found in large amounts in red wine, grape seeds, and Japanese knotweed.

James Duke's site [link to www.greenpharmacy.com]
lists grape leaves as the highest source of resveratrol. There are many good anti-viral herbs to choose from to add to the above potential therapies. I will list only a few of my favorites. Garlic (fresh or oil), St. Johns Wort, Tea tree oil (as a steam inhaler or mixed with a carrier oil and rubbed into the lower chest and back). From [link to www.provident-living-today.com]
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There has been much talk about Tamiflu and the possibility that it can curb the reproduction of the H5N1 virus. Tamiflu works by inhibiting an enzyme called neuraminidase. There are natural neuramidase inhibitors found in plants: the most widely studied is a compound called 5,7,4'-trihydroxy-8-
methoxyflavone, which is found in the herb Scutellaria (commonly called skullcap). Another neuraminidase inhibitor is the chemical resveratrol. In addition to inhibiting neuraminidase, resveratrol also sends a message to cells to stop manufacturing viruses. Resveratrol is a compound found in large amounts in red wine, grape seeds, and Japanese knotweed.



Tamiflu is alright, but in a pandemic, you need to know where the key ingredient comes from in nature.

Thankfully where I live, I am surrounded by Tamiflu in the trees. Originally, the shikimic acid comes from Chinese star anise pods (Japanese pods are poisonous). We have two star anise trees in the US, but both are poisonous (We have Illicium floridanum and Illicium parviflorum). They still smell nice, but they are very poisonous. DO NOT EAT THEM OR ANY PART OF THEM -> cause seizures, organ damage and death. However, you can buy Chinese star anise pods at most stores that sell fresh herbs, and stock up on these pods. These have a concentration of about 7% shikimic acid, and are used for Tamiflu (and sometimes chai tea).

However, like tamiflu, there may be a time when Chinese star anise pods are no longer agailable. Thankfully, the trees that contain shikimic acid are plentiful in the Southeast U.S. Sweetgum (Liquidambar styraciflua) and pine needles contain the shikimic acid. Coincidentally, native americans brewed teas with sweetgum seeds to stave off fevers and illnesses. Pine needle tea was also very common, as that is also a source of vitamin C. (Although there are chemicals in pine needles that are harmful, so you would only want to drink around 1 cup of pine needle tea a day to not overdose on turpentine).

Anyway, depending on the pine tree you can get 1-3% concentration of shikimic acid, and around 3% shikimic acid from sweetgum seeds. Remember, the tiny black seeds are in the green sweetgum capsules...not the brown capsules you find on the ground. Additionally, you want to use fertile sweetgum seeds. These are black with wings (just like a maple seed). Infertile seeds are yellow without wings (like corn kernels).
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There has been much talk about Tamiflu and the possibility that it can curb the reproduction of the H5N1 virus. Tamiflu works by inhibiting an enzyme called neuraminidase. There are natural neuramidase inhibitors found in plants: the most widely studied is a compound called 5,7,4'-trihydroxy-8-
methoxyflavone, which is found in the herb Scutellaria (commonly called skullcap). Another neuraminidase inhibitor is the chemical resveratrol. In addition to inhibiting neuraminidase, resveratrol also sends a message to cells to stop manufacturing viruses. Resveratrol is a compound found in large amounts in red wine, grape seeds, and Japanese knotweed.



Tamiflu is alright, but in a pandemic, you need to know where the key ingredient comes from in nature.

Thankfully where I live, I am surrounded by Tamiflu in the trees. Originally, the shikimic acid comes from Chinese star anise pods (Japanese pods are poisonous). We have two star anise trees in the US, but both are poisonous (We have Illicium floridanum and Illicium parviflorum). They still smell nice, but they are very poisonous. DO NOT EAT THEM OR ANY PART OF THEM -> cause seizures, organ damage and death. However, you can buy Chinese star anise pods at most stores that sell fresh herbs, and stock up on these pods. These have a concentration of about 7% shikimic acid, and are used for Tamiflu (and sometimes chai tea).

However, like tamiflu, there may be a time when Chinese star anise pods are no longer agailable. Thankfully, the trees that contain shikimic acid are plentiful in the Southeast U.S. Sweetgum (Liquidambar styraciflua) and pine needles contain the shikimic acid. Coincidentally, native americans brewed teas with sweetgum seeds to stave off fevers and illnesses. Pine needle tea was also very common, as that is also a source of vitamin C. (Although there are chemicals in pine needles that are harmful, so you would only want to drink around 1 cup of pine needle tea a day to not overdose on turpentine).

Anyway, depending on the pine tree you can get 1-3% concentration of shikimic acid, and around 3% shikimic acid from sweetgum seeds. Remember, the tiny black seeds are in the green sweetgum capsules...not the brown capsules you find on the ground. Additionally, you want to use fertile sweetgum seeds. These are black with wings (just like a maple seed). Infertile seeds are yellow without wings (like corn kernels).
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Wow! That's very interesting. TY
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Research 5 thieves oil. It was very effective during the plague and had a 99% kill rate on bacteria.

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Very informative thread! Thank you! Goofy Thum
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Basic Kit to Treat Virus–
Basics - Here are the basics necessary to treat the virus:
• Oregano oil in gelatin capsules
• Emergen-C (available at SAMS Club)
• Cayenne capsules
• Vitamin D
• Essential Oils
• Ionic Silver [link to www.aboutus.org]
Keep these in a small box so they are not used and so they are easy to access if treatment is needed for bird flu. I recommend printing off the instructions from this site and keep this in the box.
The other part of the basic program consists of things to purchase if we hear a pandemic is occurring. These items are:
• Fresh garlic and honey
• Fresh lemons
• Real maple syrup
Instructions
Oregano oil should be taken in large doses immediately if the virus is contracted. The virus strikes so rapidly and does so much damage that an immediate and strong response is called 15 for. Oregano is a powerful anti-viral but it seems to gain far great efficacy if taken in large amounts until symptoms have eased. If possible, take 12 to 15 capsules per day if patient can handle that, and spread out to four or five doses per day.
Take Emergen-C mixed in water or juice, 2 or 3 packets per day. If this is taken previous to flu being in your area, it could prevent the onset of the virus since high doses of vitamin C keeps the body in a highly alkaline state and this state is an unfriendly environment for the virus, as
shown in lab tests. Vitamin D strengthens the lungs and like the Emergen-C, would be wise to take both as a precaution, and also if fighting the bird flu virus.
Two capsules of cayenne before
each meal will help kill the virus. Cayenne does not burn most people if taken immediately before eating. Do not take after a meal.
Fresh garlic or Anti-Plague has an enzyme that is killed in processing or cooking that is very effective against this virus, especially helping the lung congestion. Mince one clove of garlic per cup of water and set outside in a glass container, making sun tea. Sweetening it with honey
actually makes it very palatable. Small children take this readily. Strain the garlic before drinking. If the patient is unable to take anything orally, strong garlic water given in an enema twice daily is like an antibiotic shot and also will help fight dehydration.
Fresh lemons are one of the best things to fight bird flu. Stories from the 1918 pandemic underscore this and also,
they are extremely alkaline and high in vitamin C. The best way to take lemons are squeezed into water and sweetened with maple syrup. It is best for the patient to stay away from sugar.
When moving away from a sterile environment, a wedge of lemon held in the mouth, or less pleasant but still very effective, a freshly cut clove of garlic, can help protect you from contracting the virus but is not fool-proof. It is important to note that many patients who die from bird flu seemed to have been recovering and then relapsed and rapidly succumbed. It is crucial to not stop treatment until the patient is well, although you can cut back on the amount
of the oregano oil once real improvement is noted. I learned that large doses of the oregano oil
are necessary and extremely effective for severe illness.
At a crucial time of illness, the palate should not be in charge of food choices.
If the lungs are over-burdened, a mustard/garlic plaster for the chest with a hot water bottle is recommended. Spread the plaster on a thin cloth folded over and sprinkle hot water over the top and then place the hot water bottle over it. Do not let the plaster get cold.
Finally, keeping the bowels moving well was shown by a military doctor during the 1918 pandemic, to be helpful in fighting off the contraction of the virus.
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does this mean we're all gonna die?

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